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RE: Using PPPoE to secure Wireless LANs?
Date: Mon Jan 20 2003 - 08:03:47 EST
No. If you want me to review it you send it on hardware. I get nothing
from reviewing it where as you get free advertising. So I will not put
myself out even 600 bucks for hardware so you can take full advantage of
the exposure it would receive on my website. And you will notice I
replied to you and the list both times. Next time look at the header.
Bob
http://www.canadianisp.com - Compare Internet Service Providers anywhere
in Canada
http://www.carricksolutions.com - The largest PPPoE / Broadband Help
Website
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pppoe@ipsec.org [mailto:owner-pppoe@ipsec.org] On Behalf Of
John Tully
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:52 AM
To: Bob Carrick; pppoe@ipsec.org
Subject: RE: Using PPPoE to secure Wireless LANs?
Hello Bob,
Our demo version has been free for years (before we ever added the PPPoE
server) !!! Up to four clients for pppoe demo version. Download and
enjoy! This has always been on our website -- you are welcome see it at
www.mikrotik.com If you want the unlimited (up to 5000) clients, it is
only
$45 for the license. That is a fraction of the price of Finepoint. Of
course you need a server platform to run it on. We offer the licence
for
$45 or with hardware and everything for $600! If you would like to
publish
a review of our software, I can give you a free full license -- please
write me off-list.
I don't think comparing price is "trashing competition." People are
interested in price and need good value for their dollar. If this list
is
an open list, then I think price discussion is normal.
To download and try the free demo: http://www.mikrotik.com/download.html
Also, it would be nice if you would make the list mails so that
'replies'
go to this list, and not the person that sent it to the list.
Sincerely,
John Tully
www.mikrotik.com
At 07:11 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I forgot to mention that ServPoET does not come in at 5 grand, not the
>doesn't expect 3rd party reviewers to pay for the hardware to review
>John Tully
>Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 2:39 AM
>To: pppoe@ipsec.org
>Subject: Re: Using PPPoE to secure Wireless LANs?
>
>
>Hello,
>think that is low cost.
>
>MikroTik can offer a PPPoE Access Conentrator for $600 with an 800MHz
>VIA (like Celeron). Unlimited PPPoE connections.
>
>See
>http://www.mikrotik.com/Documentation/manual_2.6/Interface/PPPoE.html
>
>John
>www.mikrotik.com
>
>At 05:59 PM 1/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Rui,
> >
> >Saw your post about setting up a PPPoE server. Take look at ServPoET:
> >http://www.finepoint.com. It's a complete low-cost hardware solution
> >for terminating PPPoE. Its also very easy to setup. Takes about 20
> >minutes out of the box to get up and running...
> >
> >- john
> >
> >--
> >John O'Keefe
> >Fine Point Technologies, Inc.
> >90 John Street - Suite 311
> >New York, NY 10038
> >email: jokeefe-mobile@finepoint.com
> >phone: +1 (212) 962-7410
> >fax: +1 (212) 962-7404
> >web: http://www.finepoint.com
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Josh Howlett" <Josh.Howlett@bristol.ac.uk>
> >To: "Rui Carmo" <rui.carmo@accao.net>
> >Cc: <pppoe@ipsec.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:23 AM
> >Subject: Re: Using PPPoE to secure Wireless LANs?
> > > have an address associated with the wired/wireless segment, only
> > > the
> > > the users "home" NAS, thereby providing him with an address from
> > > > establishing a PPPoE session.
> > > > - Built-in crypto per session - using CHAP for auth and MPPE for
> > > > data encryption.
> > > >
> > > > [This is where I start having doubts. I understand CHAP is still
> > > > relatively secure, but MPPE seems to have a number of serious
> > > > detractors - who, however, make a lot of loud noises and fail to
> > > > present hard evidence of it having ever been broken. Is there
> > > > any proof that MPPE is insecure? I can deal with the crypto - I
> > > > guess.
>
> > > > Been a long time since school...]
> > > >
> > > > - No client/proprietary auth software required on Windows XP
> > > > (around 40 of my users, and the ones that will actually use
> > > > this)
> > > >
> > > > [I have around twice this number of users, and if managing WEP
> > > > for
>
> > > > them
> > > > - changing keys every month - is a nightmare, 802.1x and a bunch
>of new
> > > > stuff is daunting, to say the least...]
> > > >
> > > > - Full session control (IP address assignments, traffic
> > > > accounting, sessions only allowed during office hours, etc.),
> > > > same
>
> > > > as any remote access server.
> > > >
> > > > [I like this bit. I have to manage a number of dial-up accesses,
> > > > and integrating the lot would be great.]
> > > >
> > > > - Cheap (server packages available for Linux and FreeBSD, any
> > > > box can take the load)
> > > > as an option, but remember, my users are Windows users, and
> > > > PPPoE has the advantage of removing all IP addresses from the
> > > > to give away info for free)
> > > >
> > > > [I share this guy's lack of general info, if only for testing.
> > > > There is not a single comprehensive HOWTO in sight that an
> > > > overworked sysadmin can step through on a pair of spare boxes
> > > > over
> > > > whether this is more than an urban myth fanned by 802.1x
> > > > proponents.
> > > > kick out freeloaders]
> > > >
> > > > ---end quote---
> > > >
> > > > Now, the more I think about it, the only real issues here seem
> > > > to be related to MPPE security (assuming filtering out rogue
> > > > PPPoE servers works, something I might actually be able to test
> > > > on a spare Cisco 350 AP. But then, this is the PPPoE list, and
> > > > you guys
>
> > > > are the experts, and that's why I came here.
Received on Mon Jan 20 08:04:19 2003
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