RE: Is hotspot going to replace PPPoE

Metered accounts are heavily in use in Canada now. All of Ontario and Quebec, as well as Alberta and British Columbia's Telcos are enforcing monthly download and upload limits, most of those cable cos are also, and the others that are not are in the middle of doing it. Most independent ISPs are following suit. Also very heavily used in Australia and AT&T and Time Warner have already announced plans to move this way.

Bob
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From: owner-pppoe@ipsec.org [mailto:owner-pppoe@ipsec.org] On Behalf Of Jim Courtney
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:19 PM
To: pppoe@ipsec.org
Subject: Re: Is hotspot going to replace PPPoE

John has opened another can of worms - flat-rate pricing. I believe that

carriers will have to consider offering plans based upon traffic volume usage
in order to reduce costs and keep prices reasonable for the 'normal' user. I
have learned from three separate sources that on the order of 5% of subscribers typically consume half the bandwidth of a flat-rate network.

PPPoE does allow carriers the capability to easily deal with metering or

capping for individual subscribers, as well as identify DSLAMs which may be
developing bottlenecks. But any mechanism that generates RADIUS records will
satisfy those criteria. Our network utilizes the wholesale model for multiple
ISP's and other services, and PPPoE makes it very manageable for us and the
subscriber. We also have some subscribers who do not use PPPoE, and they

require a user record in the telco's Access Concentrator in addition to the
ISP's RADIUS server, as well as a special ATM cross-connect, which is a PITA.
Although they do have a straight ethernet connection this way, they have no
way to connect to other networks like their company LAN or a game server

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without setting up a VPN through their ISP, which will entail more latency
and perhaps metering charges.

JC

>On Tuesday 21 January 2003 04:40, John Angelmo wrote:

> Bob Carrick wrote:

> > side features to PPPoE: allows for ISPs to resell the same line

> > Of John Tully
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:34 AM
> > To: pppoe@ipsec.org
> > Subject: Re: Is hotspot going to replace PPPoE
> >
> >
> > Hello,

> > not to let other users bridge. Does anybody have info on this?

> > >This traffic would not be controlled or accounted using the router.

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> > >One user could proxy off another user paying for service. Worse
> > >still they could setup a VPN between a couple offices. With PPPoE

> > >any user

> > >would you hand out public IP's with hotspot? And, if you do not
> > >allow users to communicate directly with each what if they are in

> > >>have dhcp or static ip configured. Of course it is not ppp, but
> > >>we have included all the radius info and most of the important
Received on Tue Jan 21 13:26:53 2003