RE: Hotpsot going to replace PPPoE

I do not consider any answer that starts with "I think" an actual answer. And as for PPPoE and the ability to switch providers with no set up on the Telco end is universally done. As long as the new provider has an existing "resellers" agreement it is that simple, once the initial preparation is done then nothing needs to be done per customer as long as the Telco does not disconnect the DSLAM between ISPs.

Bob
http://www.canadianisp.com - Compare Internet Service Providers anywhere in Canada
http://www.carricksolutions.com - The largest PPPoE / Broadband Help Website

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pppoe@ipsec.org [mailto:owner-pppoe@ipsec.org] On Behalf Of John Tully
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:44 PM
To: pppoe@ipsec.org
Subject: RE:Hotpsot going to replace PPPoE

Hello Bob,

>I'm not really interested

This is a quote from your email "I consult to 130 ISPs in Canada so if you
can back it up it would probably be very profitable for you." If you say
that now this quote means you aren't interested -- fine with me.

As for your questions:

1. this was answered I think, hotspot can do AAA with current Radius implementations by ISPs -- all standard stuff including bandwidth settings for each user (currently download speed -- next of our software will have both and can be set to different tx/rx speeds by radius)
2. the question about being able to switch to another network provider by changing your service name -- the answer is no, you will have to have the telephone company switch your ATM PVC to another provider. I thought this was understood -- the point being made in several emails is that PPPoE in this format (where any ISP can be set) is not so universally used as suggested by you and therefore this feature may not be so important as suggested.

Please list questions I did not answer and any additional questions one by one.

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John

>and have over and over and over asked if it

>specific items and you keep on glossing them over and giving no answers

>and instead say come and see us I'll give you a discount coupon. Which

>to ask any.

>John Tully
>Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:18 AM

>the network. If another solution comes along that accomplishes what is

> >the PPPoE mailing list, I'm expecting discussions about PPPoE. If
> >you'd like to discuss HotSpot, start a HotSpot mailing list, and let
> >interested parties join....novel idea, huh? Your current approach
> >borders on SPAM, at least in so far as it's completely misdirected
> >and unwelcomed in my inbox, and certainly not a subject I've
> >subscribed to.
> >
> >Since you've shown both an aggressive manner and a lack of respect
> >for subscribers to PPPoE mailing list, I fully expect an angry
> >retort. Let
>
> >me jump the gun by saying "piss off". I'm not interested in your
> >opinion anyway! If I feel compelled to look into HotSpot, I'll
> >approach it the same way I did PPPoE. Perhaps you should approach a
> >magazine, such as Network Computing....their test labs may be quite
> >interested in a PPPoE vs. HotSpot test, and as a subscriber, I'd be
> >happy to read an unbiased evaluation.
> >
> >In any case, as I said earlier, piss off. I look forward with
> >anticipation to your response (I expect your ego can't piss off
> >without
>
> >hurling a few insults!).
> >
> >My humblest apologies to the list but hopefully, you agree, this is
> >all so very off topic.
> >
> >Gord
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pppoe@ipsec.org [mailto:owner-pppoe@ipsec.org]On Behalf
> >Of John Tully
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:18 PM
> >To: pppoe@ipsec.org
> >Subject: RE: Is hotspot going to replace PPPoE
> >
> >
> >There are comments from Matt, David Skoll, and John Angelmo -- so
> >don't take all the credit.
> >
> >The hotspot model does support logging in to multiple ISPs -- our
> >beta version allows our radius client to do AAA on whatever ISP
> >radius server -- according to the @xxx.com extension. It supports
> >framed IP address and most other radius attributes. We have just
> >added L2TP, maybe we can add support to encapsulate these packets to
> >a specific ISP.
> >
> >We will have a special presentation on our hotspot technology at the
> >WISPCON III in Chicago. See this web page and we can meet there.
> >www.wispcon.info Write me to get a discount coupon.
> >
> >I should start doing some real work, but if the current hotspot does
> >not have enough of the pppoe features, I am pretty sure that we can
> >add
>
> >whatever is needed.
> >
> >John
> >www.mikrotik.com
> >
> >
> >At 09:46 AM 1/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >I'm not saying it can't replace PPPoE. I'm saying prove it.
> > >Answer the questions I've asked, over and over and over. As for
> > >good comments it's only been you and I commenting on it so I'll
> > >take that as a compliment. I'll believe you when you can back up
> > >your statements. I consult to 130 ISPs in Canada so if you can
> > >back it up
>
> > >it would probably be very profitable for you.
> > >
> > >Bob
> > >http://www.canadianisp.com - Compare Internet Service Providers
> > >anywhere in Canada http://www.carricksolutions.com - The largest
> > >PPPoE / Broadband Help Website
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-pppoe@ipsec.org [mailto:owner-pppoe@ipsec.org] On
> > >Behalf Of John Tully
> > >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:42 AM
> > >To: pppoe@ipsec.org
> > >Subject: RE: Is hotspot going to replace PPPoE
> > >
> > >
> > >At 09:17 AM 1/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >I never once said you had to use PPPoE. Just said it made
> > > >following the rules much easier. And I really couldn't care if
> > > >PPPoE stays or not, but I do care when a company pushing another
> > > >product can't seem to
> > >
> > > >back up it's statements.
> > >
> > >That telephone companies and others are using hotspot technology
> > >instead of PPPoE is REALITY, not a theory that I have to backup.
> > >MikroTik RouterOS
> > >
> > >offers both a PPPoE server and HOTSPOT technology, so I can says
> > >that whatever technology is used, we offer it. Your first comment
> > >to my email about comparing the price of our router -- brought the
> > >comment from you that we would next be "trashing the competition"
> > >-- now you say "pushing
> > >
> > >another product." I think you are assuming too much -- and making
> > >strong comments as if what you assume is true. It is better to
> > >discuss objective facts likes prices and features and benefits --
> > >not assume who has
>what
> > >motive.
> > >
> > >The point that I wanted to start on this thread is that hotspot vs.

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> > >pppoe is an important discussion -- and so far, we have some good
> > >comments.
> > >
> > >John

> > > >pppoe

> > > > >has to have at least one pipe from them to the Telco but when a

> > > > >customer sings
> > > >
> > > > >up with an independent ISP the only thing the Telco has to do
> > > > >is make

> > > > >has gone bankrupt those
> > > >
> > > > >customers can easily be signed up with another provider.
> > > > >
> > > > >Bob

> > > > >anywhere in Canada http://www.carricksolutions.com - The
> > > > >largest PPPoE / Broadband Help Website
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: owner-pppoe@ipsec.org [mailto:owner-pppoe@ipsec.org] On

> > > > >a problem with COVAD and when all the other nationwide DSL

> > > > >have the

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> > > > > >sign-ins to get services. No need to have it going through
> > > > > >different

> > > > > >telephone
> > > > >
> > > > > >company and then secondary for services (IP, movies,
> > > > > >whatver), who is
> > > >
> > > > > >currently doing that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >At 08:35 AM 1/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > > >I was speaking more of the ability to have a multimedia
> > > > > > >server that
> > > >
> > > > > > >you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >pay extra to, to get your userid and password on that
> > > > > > >radius table and you log directly in to it via the PPPoE
> > > > > > >client.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Bob
> > > > > > >http://www.canadianisp.com - Compare Internet Service
> > > > > > >Providers anywhere in Canada
> > > > > > >http://www.carricksolutions.com
> > > > > > >- The largest PPPoE / Broadband Help Website
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >From: owner-pppoe@ipsec.org [mailto:owner-pppoe@ipsec.org]
> > > > > > >On Behalf Of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >David F. Skoll
> > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > > > >To: pppoe@ipsec.org
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: Is hotspot going to replace PPPoE
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Bob Carrick wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > allows for ISPs to resell the same line multiple times.
> > > > > > > > IE: Rated services, Broadband specific content (movies,
> > > > > > > > etc.), metered services,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Actually, PPPoE is problematic for multimedia distribution,

> > > > > > >because

> > > > > > >a movie
> > > >
> > > > > > >to PPPoE clients, you have to unicast a copy to each
> > > > > > >client, even
> > >
> > > > > > >if they are on the same Ethernet segment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >There was a proposal to add multicasting to PPPoE, but it
> > > > > > >was pretty roundly criticized and didn't get anywhere.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--
> > > > > > >David.
Received on Tue Jan 28 20:26:33 2003