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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 1823

Today's Topics:

  Re: how hot is my xeon?               [ michael  ]
  Re: Scripting Apt-Get (pop-up screen  [ "Michael Matthews" 

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:37:39 +0100
From: michael <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk> To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: how hot is my xeon?

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On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 16:36 +0200, Pol Hallen wrote:
> > I've tried unsuccessfully to monitor my dual Xeon box but lm-sensors
> > doesn't seem to detect anything.
> Do u have the i2c kernel modules?
>
> Pol
>
>

michael@ratty:~/Fortran$ sudo lsmod|grep -i i2c

i2c_dev                 8548  0
i2c_i801                7468  0
i2c_core               19680  3 i2c_dev,nvidia,i2c_i801

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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:46:36 -0500
From: Klein Moebius <klein.moebius@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: network-manager-gnome and users-admin

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Odd problem. I'm attempting to use the gnome-network-manager tool to quickly change network settings on my laptop, but when the gui comes up, no interfaces are shown to modify. Zip. Nada. This is after I modified my /etc/network/interfaces has been edited to comment out all interfaces except the loop device. Same behavior before.

Thinking this may be a permissions problem, I open the users-admin tool, and the same thing - no users or groups are displayed.

Where should I look?

Regards,
Klein.

-- 
I like your game but we have to change the rules.

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:09:51 -0400 From: "Roberto D'Oliveira" <rcdeoliveira@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: network-manager-gnome and users-admin Message-ID: <1a3e4c400706220809h1f8e40bcp543b29e23aec8c79@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2007/6/22, Klein Moebius <klein.moebius@gmail.com>:
> Odd problem. I'm attempting to use the gnome-network-manager tool to
> quickly change network settings on my laptop, but when the gui comes up,
> no interfaces are shown to modify. Zip. Nada. This is after I modified
> my /etc/network/interfaces has been edited to comment out all interfaces
> except the loop device. Same behavior before.
>
> Thinking this may be a permissions problem, I open the users-admin tool,
> and the same thing - no users or groups are displayed.
>
> Where should I look?
>
> Regards,
> Klein.
>
> --
> I like your game but we have to change the rules.
>
>
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You have to put your user into "netdev" group. -- Saludos, Roberto D'Oliveira

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:11:12 -0700 From: Kenward Vaughan <kay_jay@earthlink.net> To: Debian-Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: nvidia-glx & linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 & a custom linux image? Message-Id: <1182525072.6879.9.camel@hpotter.vaughan.home> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 11:54 +0200, csanyipal wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I want to by a videocard:
> MSI nVidia NX7600GS-T2D512EH 400MHz/800MHz/DDR2 128-bit/TV-out&2xDVI/SLI
>
> For this to work, a will to install nvidia-glx debian package.
>
> But, with this package apt will to install:
> linux-image-2.6.18-4-486
> too.
>
>
> I have yet a custom linux-image-2.6.18. I don't know, how can I use the
> nvidia-glx with this custom linux-image, or what can I do in this
> situation?
>
> Any advices will be appreciated!
My own route to this is to install the linux-source package, the nvidia-kernel-source package, the kernel-package package. Create your kernel .deb followed by the nvidia module .deb using make-kpkg. The directions for using make-kpkg are quite decent (I suggest using epochs, BTW), and it's clean and easy to maintain. Installing the two .deb's properly sets up all you need. Nvidia-glx should fall into place automatically. Kenward -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. -- A. Einstein

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:58:43 +0200 From: Sjoerd Hiemstra <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: any realaudio plugin? Message-Id: <20070622175843.8988279d.shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit michael <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk> wrote:
> I've been trying a few things but just can't get mozilla (unstable) to
> view the videos (realaudio plugin?)
>
> from the BBC web page
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/video_and_audio/default.stm
>
> Any clues any body??
I've got mozilla-mplayer (MPlayer-plugin for Mozilla) installed in Lenny. When selecting a video from that page, and checking RealAudio, Iceape plays the video fine, making use of the mplayer-plugin.

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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:15:22 +0100 From: "Karl E. Jorgensen" <karl@jorgensen.org.uk> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Scripting Apt-Get (pop-up screens, e.g. with kernel updates) Message-ID: <20070622161521.GB23152@einstein.jorgensen.org.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H1spWtNR+x+ondvy" Content-Disposition: inline --H1spWtNR+x+ondvy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 09:23:32AM -0400, Michael Matthews wrote:
> All,
>=20
> I am wondering if anyone can tell me if there's an easy way, when using
> `apt-get upgrade`, to get around the pop-up configuration screens that oc=
cur
> with some updates. One example of this is with a kernel update. It appe=
ars
> that the kernel update wants to inform you that you should reboot soon, a=
nd
> unfortunately the colorful blue and red screen cannot be circumvented wit=
h the
> usual ways. I tried this:
>=20
> > apt-get -y update
> > apt-get -y upgrade -or- apt-get -y --force-yes upgrade
>=20
> Neither of these work. It seems like I might be able to get around this =
screen
> by manipulating either some apt-get configuration, or some dpkg configura=
tions,
> but I'm completely unaware of where this information may be held.
Most packages use debconf for this - so you'll need to: # dpkg-reconfigure debconf And you should be able to choose the "noninteractive" interface. This=20 won't ask any questions at all. The above will change the system-wide default - if you just want to=20 change it for a single invocation of apt, set the DEBIAN_FRONTEND=20 environment variable: # DEBIAN_FRONTEND=3Dnoninteractive apt-get install whatever Hope this helps PS: Have a look at the debconf(7) man page (in the debconf-doc package)=20 - should be useful for you. --=20 Karl E. Jorgensen karl(at)jorgensen.org.uk http://www.jorgensen.org.uk/ karl(at)jorgensen.com http://karl.jorgensen.com =3D=3D=3D=3D Today's fortune: User n.: A programmer who will believe anything you tell him. --H1spWtNR+x+ondvy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGe/WZi+PVvwZpXJgRAtmdAJ9vFwPQ929C6ZPJZtmV6uKrB2JIggCeMEss NC504oM3yPD1+D18QFnjCs8= =a4b2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H1spWtNR+x+ondvy--

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:03:53 +0200 From: Pol Hallen <debianen@fuckaround.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: hddtemp value Message-Id: <200706221803.54162.debianen@fuckaround.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks :-) Which value hddtemp show? (about my ata disks, between 45-55 C) Is it correct? Or I should worry? Thanks! Pol

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:11:36 -0500 From: Klein Moebius <klein.moebius@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: network-manager-gnome and users-admin Message-ID: <20070622161136.GA10850@infinite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline * Roberto D'Oliveira <rcdeoliveira@gmail.com> [2007-06-22 11:09:51 -0400]:
> You have to put your user into "netdev" group.
This has been done. However, the problem persists. Also, the users-admin tool does not work, as described before. Interestingly, the services-admin tool does not work (gui comes up, no services listed), either. All seem to be related to dbus (maybe?)- I get this error when starting from command line: (services-admin:11296): Liboobs-WARNING **: There was an unknown error communicating with the backends: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) Same deal with users-admin and network-admin. Regards, Klein -- ... If you sit down at a poker game and don't see a sucker, get up. You're the sucker.

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:12:15 -0400 From: Curt Howland <Howland@priss.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Turning off the %^&* scroll wheel Message-Id: <200706221212.29785.Howland@priss.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 22 June 2007, Jonathan Kaye <jdkaye10@yahoo.es> was heard to say:
> The mouse/touchpad is controlled in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Look for a
> Section "InputDevice" and if you see something like this:
>  Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
> then comment it out. That should get rid of the scrollwheel
> behaviour.
Mr. Kaye, many thanks. Unfortunately, there is no such option in the two "mouse" related sections: ========== Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0" EndSection ============= I tried reconfiguring and changing to imps rather than explorerps2, no change. Is there another possibility? Curt- - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRnv07S9Y35yItIgBAQKmOwf/ReOVJX9bRmVaL1wAlXWlciYjCCsSmv/q tPSZpfLtmK1Ea8UnoOIpIbNwXvvALrl99xzENyt9bOX+u0MSXQ3uDLdXgxVh7eO+ phQFYVomDbXTEmDHJp3S/ZLm4Mh/rZA6rtz4kCSRirbirUSIIDooCtlJYVlkqr38 O/muK+vQgHZNcM7ywL0+WcCL+yjVZnEGI5s1KDdPI9ELN8E7R471EkaX2VbOH0DV GisY4FzXS3NLd9sk0EX/2YG/RfDsqFdy8GVk384ui+Rvt8Uysgq0C1Mv5V07WYWI pU00y59l2xXzPk4vNP2de19EX4NxrZlaN/HcmyphJ1OMWmybeeUhWg== =Ejx4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:29:12 -0400 From: "Michael Matthews" <erobererunc@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Scripting Apt-Get (pop-up screens, e.g. with kernel updates) Message-ID: <775033410706220929n66a2696ayba3db7d894b475c8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8024_14970274.1182529752206" ------=_Part_8024_14970274.1182529752206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Awesome, I changed that but I had to select "Noninteractive," and "Ignore questions with priority lower than <critical>," and this worked to keep the kernel boot screen off. Thank you! On 6/22/07, Karl E. Jorgensen <karl@jorgensen.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 09:23:32AM -0400, Michael Matthews wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I am wondering if anyone can tell me if there's an easy way, when using
> > `apt-get upgrade`, to get around the pop-up configuration screens that
> occur
> > with some updates. One example of this is with a kernel update. It
> appears
> > that the kernel update wants to inform you that you should reboot soon,
> and
> > unfortunately the colorful blue and red screen cannot be circumvented
> with the
> > usual ways. I tried this:
> >
> > > apt-get -y update
> > > apt-get -y upgrade -or- apt-get -y --force-yes upgrade
> >
> > Neither of these work. It seems like I might be able to get around this
> screen
> > by manipulating either some apt-get configuration, or some dpkg
> configurations,
> > but I'm completely unaware of where this information may be held.
>
> Most packages use debconf for this - so you'll need to:
> # dpkg-reconfigure debconf
>
> And you should be able to choose the "noninteractive" interface. This
> won't ask any questions at all.
>
> The above will change the system-wide default - if you just want to
> change it for a single invocation of apt, set the DEBIAN_FRONTEND
> environment variable:
> # DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install whatever
>
> Hope this helps
>
> PS: Have a look at the debconf(7) man page (in the debconf-doc package)
> - should be useful for you.
>
> --
> Karl E. Jorgensen
> karl(at)jorgensen.org.uk http://www.jorgensen.org.uk/
> karl(at)jorgensen.com http://karl.jorgensen.com
> ==== Today's fortune:
> User n.:
> A programmer who will believe anything you tell him.
>
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------=_Part_8024_14970274.1182529752206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Awesome, I changed that but I had to select &quot;Noninteractive,&quot; and &quot;Ignore questions with priority lower than &lt;critical&gt;,&quot; and this worked to keep the kernel boot screen off.<br><br>Thank you!<br><br> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/22/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Karl E. Jorgensen</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:karl@jorgensen.org.uk">karl@jorgensen.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 09:23:32AM -0400, Michael Matthews wrote:<br>&gt; All,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I am wondering if anyone can tell me if there&#39;s an easy way, when using<br>&gt; `apt-get upgrade`, to get around the pop-up configuration screens that occur <br>&gt; with some updates.&nbsp;&nbsp;One example of this is with a kernel update.&nbsp;&nbsp;It appears<br>&gt; that the kernel update wants to inform you that you should reboot soon, and<br>&gt; unfortunately the colorful blue and red screen cannot be circumvented with the <br>&gt; usual ways.&nbsp;&nbsp;I tried this:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; apt-get -y update<br>&gt; &gt; apt-get -y upgrade -or- apt-get -y --force-yes upgrade<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Neither of these work.&nbsp;&nbsp;It seems like I might be able to get around this screen <br>&gt; by manipulating either some apt-get configuration, or some dpkg configurations,<br>&gt; but I&#39;m completely unaware of where this information may be held.<br><br>Most packages use debconf for this - so you&#39;ll need to: <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;# dpkg-reconfigure debconf<br><br>And you should be able to choose the &quot;noninteractive&quot; interface. This<br>won&#39;t ask any questions at all.<br><br>The above will change the system-wide default - if you just want to <br>change it for a single invocation of apt, set the DEBIAN_FRONTEND<br>environment variable:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;# DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install whatever<br><br>Hope this helps<br><br>PS: Have a look at the debconf(7) man page (in the debconf-doc package) <br>- should be useful for you.<br><br>--<br>Karl E. Jorgensen<br><a href="mailto:karl(at)jorgensen.org.uk">karl(at)jorgensen.org.uk</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://www.jorgensen.org.uk/">http://www.jorgensen.org.uk/</a><br><a href="mailto:karl(at)jorgensen.com"> karl@jorgensen.com</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; http://karl.jorgensen.com<br>==== Today&#39;s fortune:<br>User n.:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A programmer who will believe anything you tell him.<br><br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- <br>Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)<br><br>iD8DBQFGe/WZi+PVvwZpXJgRAtmdAJ9vFwPQ929C6ZPJZtmV6uKrB2JIggCeMEss<br>NC504oM3yPD1+D18QFnjCs8=<br>=a4b2<br>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br><br></blockquote></div><br> ------=_Part_8024_14970274.1182529752206--

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:50:31 -0500 From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Sound card not working Message-ID: <467BFDD7.4040100@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Lale wrote:
> Mike McCarty wrote:
>
[that he's having problems with a sound card]
> That's all I can think of. Hope that helps.
Thanks! I'll give that a try, and read those pages. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN. This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:51:13 -0500 From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Sound card not working Message-ID: <467BFE01.2040402@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:
> Mike McCarty escribe:
>
>>Anyone have some hints as to how to proceed?
>
>
> Check out /proc/asound/cards.
>
> Cordially, Ismael
Thanks, I'll give that a try. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN. This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:34:26 -0000 From: BartlebyScrivener <bscrivener42@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: ssh on lan by hostname instead of dynamic ip Message-ID: <1182530066.908749.13430@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello, I use unison and rsync on my home LAN. Everything works fine as long as I use ip addresses, for example, ssh rick@192.168.0.5 But my router (on home LAN) assigns dynamic ip addresses. So my scripts don't work if the router happens to assign a different address that day to one of my machines. Is there a way to use ssh and rsync using hostname instead of ip address. It seems to me I've had this working once or twice, but then it stops. Thanks for any help. rick

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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:55:43 -0500 From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: how hot is my xeon? Message-ID: <467BFF0F.9040201@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit michael wrote:
> I've tried unsuccessfully to monitor my dual Xeon box but lm-sensors
> doesn't seem to detect anything. I've a Intel Server Board SE7320SO2
Even if it did, unless you've calibrated the thing you won't know the temp.
> with two 3. GHz Xeon chips. Anybody know how to get mobo/chip/internal
> temps (and pref fan speeds)... my box gets noisy and I'm trying to see
> if it's temp related
What's wrong with simply sticking a thermometer in there? I'm talking about a remote-reading one, like those intended to feed a wire through your door or window and hang on the roofline or whatever. That will give you a calibrated temp reading, not an arbitrary meaningless number. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN. This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!

Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:10:41 -0500 From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: [PARTIALLY SOLVED] kqemu on Sid Message-ID: <f5gsa1$b33$1@sea.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:25:50AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>> So kqemu-1.3.0pre11 (the latest version) hangs the system solid with
>> 2.6.21-1-k7, the Debian stock kernel. But I have modified that kernel
>> with 2.6.21-ck2 from here:
>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/
>>
>> Going back to the plain 2.6.18-4-k7 Debian kernel and reinstalling kqemu
>> all errors disappear and XP initiates "normally" (i.e. M$'s version of
>> "normal").
>>
>> So the problem lies either in 2.6.21-1-k7 or in the -ck modification.
>>
>
> Hey hugo, I haven't been following this thread for various reasons,
> but just yesterday I needed to do some stupid XP stuff and fired up
> qemu. My kqemu was compiled from source months or longer ago and
> needed recompiling. I just did a ./configure, make, make install in
> the upstreams 1.3.0pre9 and it works fine with
>
> andrew@basement:~$ uname -a
> Linux basement 2.6.21-1-k7 #1 SMP Sat May 26 16:56:05 UTC 2007 i686
> GNU/Linux
>
> maybe this helps you. maybe not.
>
> A
Andrew, I just posted the results of my investigation: it's due to my modifications of 2.6.21-1-k7 and turning PARAVIRT_CONFIG off to be able to install the nvidia driver. Not modifying the kernel solved the problem. Thanks Hugo End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #1823 ************************************************** Received on Fri Jun 22 13:35:30 2007

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