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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 1845

Today's Topics:

  Re: time zone                         [ Sjoerd Hiemstra  ]
  Re: how hot is my xeon?               [ Mike McCarty  ]
  Re: RTF - proprietary or open?        [ John Hasler  ]

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:52:08 +0200
From: Sjoerd Hiemstra <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: time zone

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Alan Ianson:
> j j:
> > The time on my desktop is set to UTC. I'll like to read it EST. Is
> > there something as simple as dpkg-reconfigure timezone ?
>
> I think tzconfig will setup your time zone.

Or in KDE, right click on clock > Show Timezone > Configure Timezones...

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:53:47 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu> To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: compatible UPS
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On Jun 22, 2007, at 3:19 AM, csanyipal wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Is this UPS supported by Etch?
>
> Inform Guard 600A (600VA)/Line Interractive/AVR
>
> Any advices will be appreciated!

Debian uses NUT for its UPS support, so the place to check would be the NUT homepage:
http://www.networkupstools.org/

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<HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 22, 2007, = at 3:19 AM, csanyipal wrote:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Hello!</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Is this UPS supported by = Etch?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Inform Guard 600A (600VA)/Line = Interractive/AVR</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Any advices will be = appreciated!</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Debian uses NUT for its UPS = support, so the place to check would be the NUT homepage:</DIV><DIV><A = href=3D"http://www.networkupstools.org">http://www.networkupstools.org</A>= /</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></DIV><BR><DIV> = <SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; = -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; = -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; = -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; = -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>David = Brodbeck</DIV><DIV>Information Technology Specialist = 3</DIV><DIV>Computational Linguistics</DIV><DIV>University of = Washington</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> = </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>=

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:29:51 -0000
From: BartlebyScrivener <bscrivener42@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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On Jun 25, 11:00 am, russ...@aol.com wrote:
> I wanted to install a motherboard monitor.? I found one in the list, xmbmon, and chose to install it.? It said installation complete.? However, I have no idea how to find it and run it.? It's not showing up in the applications list anywhere.

type

whereis xmbmon

at the commandline

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:59:16 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu> To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: compatible UPS - solved
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On Jun 22, 2007, at 1:07 PM, csanyipal wrote:
> On that site I find that, that an APC Back-UPS is supported by
> apcupsd.
> So I decide that, that I should to by such an UPS. :)

NUT also supports every APC UPS I've run into. NUT may be overkill for your needs, but in a server room it's great.

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class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">So I = decide that, that I should to by such an UPS. = :)</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR =
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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:15:54 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: stability problem; Asus M2N-MX mobo AMD 64; etch; is it hardware or software? Message-ID: <20070625171553.GO12527@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 05:23:09PM +0000, Prismatic Plasma wrote:
> On Monday 25 June 2007 15:42, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

[some stuff about witching sticks around...]

>=20
> Unfortunately, I have only 1 compatible with this machine. [sidebar: kic=
king=20
> self in head while shouting, "Always buy 2 sticks so you can do tests lik=
e=20
> this. Always buy 2 sticks so you can do tests like this...]

well, you can always decide its time to upgrade" to more memory... that way if it ends up being the memory, you've got another one. if its not, then you get a nice fat bonus out of it all ;)

seriously, though, I guess before you spend money, check everythign else out first. I've lost track of the beginning of this thread, bear with me. Check all of the following:

power supply voltages. Install lmsensors and set it up and then make sure your voltages are in spec. If any of them are more than say 5% out, then that could very well be your problem.=20

1.a check your cooling situation and temperatures.

2. pull any and all unnecessary hardware and repeat your tests with different combinations. watch your voltages while doing this too...=20

Don't know where to look next?

3. put your one memory stick in different slots, if you have them.=20

4. other stuff I can't think of? IOW, go through all the hardware stuff you can test without buying anything.=20

I always find that hardware problems are NOT the thing I think they are. heh. Last one I ran across was a bad agp video card. machine wouldn't boot. I assumed it was the mobo cause I put *everything* into another mobo and it all booted just fine. The only thing I hadn't moved was the video card... the "faulty" board has no onboard video, so I guess my brain didn't make the leap. Anyway, it wasn't until after I had purchased another mobo which *also* wouldn't boot that I finally realised the video card was the common factor and the culprit. Later examination shows a cap that's all bulging and probably toast... I wonder if I can fix it <cackle cackle>.

>=20
> What's reasonably safe and worthwhile to play with in the timings? Defaul=
t=20
> bios gives me 400 MHz, CL5-5-5-12 (I think there's three 5's.). But stick=
=20
> says PC2 6400 (800 MHz I presume), CL4-4-4-12. When I try these values,=
=20
> there's no change in stability. Is there some other combination that migh=
t=20
> work? There's a large amount of possible combinations.

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:02:39 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu> To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: hddtemp value
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On Jun 22, 2007, at 2:03 PM, michael@estone.ca wrote:

> Quoting Pol Hallen <debianen@fuckaround.org>:
>
>> Hi folks :-)
>>
>> Which value hddtemp show? (about my ata disks, between 45-55 C)
>>
>> Is it correct? Or I should worry?
>>
>
> 45-55 C seems a little hot. They will probalby work for you but
> your drives will probably die sooner than later. Either they are
> too close together and/or you need more direct fans on your drives.
> I think normal operating temps for drives is between 35 and 40 C.
> perhaps check with your drive manufacturer and check the
> recommended operating temps.

I looked up the specs for a Maxtor drive once and they gave 55 C as a maximum recommended *ambient* temperature. I don't know what internal temperature that corresponds to.

Conventional wisdom is that higher temperatures shorten disk life, but IIRC Google did a study on their own drives and didn't find any significant correlation.

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:07:22 -0700
From: L.V.Gandhi <lvgandhi@gmail.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: file is read as line.

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I have a file in format as
lvgandhi@lvgvaio:~/stock/today$ head -n5 Pd250607.csv MKT,SERIES,SYMBOL,SECURITY,PREV_CL_PR,OPEN_PRICE,HIGH_PRICE,LOW_PRICE,CLOSE_PRICE,NET_TRDVAL,NET_TRDQTY,IND_SEC,CORP_IND,TRADES,HI_52_WK,LO_52_WK

Y, , ,S&P CNX Nifty,      4252.05,      4251.40,      4264.25,
4236.30,      4259.40,              83083471868.32,295713515,Y,
,3057964,      4362.95,      2878.25
Y, , ,CNX IT,      5159.90,      5165.80,      5167.25,      5084.20,
    5110.45,0,0,Y, ,0,      5857.10,      3811.05
Y, , ,CNX Nifty Junior,      8428.75,      8436.50,      8491.30,
8394.10,      8482.45,0,0,Y, ,0,      8491.30,      4735.60
Y, , ,S&P CNX Defty,      3619.15,      3609.65,      3620.60,
3593.60,      3614.05,0,0,Y, ,0,      3733.20,      2125.95

I used a scipt "gethilo" as follows to get highs and lows.

#!/bin/bash
rm -f highs
rm -f lows
IFS=","
while read MKT SERIES SYMBOL SECURITY PREV_CL_PR OPEN_PRICE HIGH_PRICE LOW_PRICE CLOSE_PRICE NET_TRDVAL NET_TRDQTY IND_SEC CORP_IND TRADES HI_52_WK LO_52_WK
do
if [[ $SYMBOL == [3,A-Z]* ]]
then
LO_52_WKC=$(echo $LO_52_WK|tr -d "\r")
if [ "$HIGH_PRICE" = "$HI_52_WK" ]
then
echo $SYMBOL >> highs
elif [ "$LOW_PRICE" = "$LO_52_WKC" ]
then
echo $SYMBOL >> lows
fi
fi
done < $1

$1 is previous file.
I get highs and lows.
Now my problem is
1)when I do
for line in $(cat /home/lvgandhi/stock/today/highs); do echo "$line,14" >> temp;done
I get 14 appended only for the last line. I would like it to be as
ABB,14
AUROPHARMA,14 2) when I do
for stock in $(cat /home/lvgandhi/stock/today/highs|cut -d, -f1);do ln -s /home/lvgandhi/.qtstalker/data1/data/Stocks/nse/$stock $stock;done I get
n: accessing `ABB\nREL\nAUROPHARMA\nGMRINFRA\nIDFC\nLICHSGFIN\nADLABSFILM\nADVANIHOTR\nANKURDRUGS\nAPIL\nASHAPURMIN\nASIANELEC\nBANCOINDIA\nBBL\nCHETTINAD\nCRISIL\nEASUNREYRL\nEDUCOMP\nENTEGRA\nESABINDIA\nFTCSF3YDIV\nFTCSF3YGRO\nGANESHHOUC\nGBN\nGESHIP\nGMDCLTD\nGREENPLY\nHIKAL\nIBREALEST\nINDIAINFO\nINDOTECH\nJBFIND\nKLGSYSTEL\nMALCO\nNORTHGATE\nNSIL\nOILCOUNTUB\nPAVCI\nPRIMESECU\nROLTA\nRUBYMILLS\nSARLAPOLY\nSATHAISPAT\nSUNDARMFIN\nTHERMAX\nTV-18\nVENKEYS\nVOLTAMP\nOENCONNECT': File name too long

Do you need more help?

Any error in my script gethilo? Any correction to get desired result.

-- 
L.V.Gandhi
http://lvgandhi.tripod.com/
linux user No.205042

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:06:28 -0500 From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: how hot is my xeon? Message-ID: <467FF614.905@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit michael wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 11:55 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
>
>>michael wrote:
>>
>>>I've tried unsuccessfully to monitor my dual Xeon box but lm-sensors
>>>doesn't seem to detect anything. I've a Intel Server Board SE7320SO2
>>
>>Even if it did, unless you've calibrated the thing you won't know
>>the temp.
>
> eh?
Unless you calibrate the sensors, you will not get a reliable indicaton of what the temperature is.
>>What's wrong with simply sticking a thermometer in there? I'm talking
>>about a remote-reading one, like those intended to feed a wire through
>>your door or window and hang on the roofline or whatever. That will
>>give you a calibrated temp reading, not an arbitrary meaningless
>>number.
>
> I was hoping I didn't have to resort to that
If you don't use accurate tools, you won't get accurate results. The sensors in these machines, unless you calibrate them yourself with a thermometer, are NOTORIOUSLY INACCURATE. Many of them simply use a thermistor/resistor voltage divider. This gives a seriously curved temp vs voltage relationship. This is not a problem, but requires special handling to get accurate temp conversion. The simple lmsensors report is going to be incorrect on such machines, as it presumes a straight-line relationship. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN. This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:09:01 -0500 From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Connect to DOS box Message-ID: <467FF6AD.2030003@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mirko Parthey wrote:
>
> Another useful software for your toolbox could be etherboot.
> A few years ago, I used a floppy image generated by their rom-o-matic to boot
> KNOPPIX over the network on an old machine without PXE support.
> The servers in KNOPPIX supporting network boot (DHCP, TFTP, ...) are called
> "terminal server", which is somewhat misleading.
>
> I'm not sure if it is possible at all to run a full-featured Linux live
> CD on a machine with 16 MB of RAM, even in console mode without X.
> You might want to try an older or cut-down live CD distribution with a
> smaller RAM footprint.
I have run DSL (Damn Small Linux) off LiveCD using an AMD586 machine with 16MB total RAM. Used Smart Boot Manager to boot the CDROM, since that machine's BIOS is not capable. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN. This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:05:12 -0500 From: John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: RTF - proprietary or open? Message-ID: <87sl8gvubb.fsf@toncho.dhh.gt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Celejar writes:
> What does it even mean for a file format to be open? That the creator
> can't restrict its use?
The creator of a format cannot restrict its use.
> That the spec has been published?
Yes. -- John Hasler

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:07:40 -0500 From: John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: RTF - proprietary or open? Message-ID: <87odj4vu77.fsf@toncho.dhh.gt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Alan Ianson writes:
> I believe kword supports ODF now and I hope this will continue to be the
> case with koffice and other word processing applications like abiword in
> the future.
The problem is that most Microsoft Windows users cannot deal with ODF. That doesn't matter to me but to some people it is critical. -- John Hasler End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #1845 ************************************************** Received on Mon Jun 25 13:42:56 2007

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