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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 1857

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Nameserver update                 [ "Martin Marcher"  ]
  Re: RTF - proprietary or open?        [ Celejar  ]
  Re: RTF - proprietary or open?        [ Celejar  ]
  Re: RTF - proprietary or open?        [ Celejar  ]
  Re: RTF - proprietary or open?        [ Celejar  ]
  bluetooth in etch                     [ Marcelo Chiapparini  ]
  lpd: CPU and memory consumption       [ =?iso-8859-15?q?Benjam=ED_Villoslad ]

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:42:51 +0200
From: "Martin Marcher" <martin.marcher@gmail.com> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Nameserver update 

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Note to self: get rid of gmail and it's inability to handle mailing lists....

> Hi Martin,
>
> actually this is not a debian related question...

i do know but here is where the experts live :)

Do you need help?X

however, i'd post to the appropriate list but i don't know where i should go, since it's not directly related to any software nor to any OS.

details below, long story short: Is it normal that when I change the IP of my nameserver the parent nameservers aren't updated immediately (after my zone expires)?

> If you post your zone file and tell us what version, ip etc. your server
> is using, we could help you a little bit more...

using powerdns with ldap backend here and all is set up fine to my knowledge, i'll put out the dig responses.

So here's the story, we had or nameserver at (using bind syntax, typing here so forgive me typos but be assured that it _was_ fine)

@ IN NS ns10.openforce.com.
ns10 IN A 62.99.149.110

i told our provider the IP will change and now it _should_ point to the a record below like this

@ IN NS ns10.openforce.com.
ns10 IN A 81.223.107.117

Do you need more help?X

so all that changes is the IP, the hostname is still the same (could that be the problem?)

com servers still report that

ns10.openforce.com. 172800 IN A 62.99.149.110 ;; actual dig output from com. servers

but they should report

ns10.openforce.com. 3600 IN A 81.223.107.117 ;; actual dig output from my nameserver

the update was on 2007-06-27 0900h GMT+1 so the question is: Can I relax, sit back and wait until the com. nameservers catch up with the changes or did something go horribly wrong?

dig info is below:

My old nameserver (bind9 actually, split views, querying the public view of course, fine apart from that I set ns10 to point to the ip of the new nameserver, and i reflect the serial number from the new nameserver):
~ $ dig @62.99.149.110 openforce.com SOA 

openforce.com.          1800    IN      SOA     ns10.openforce.com.
noc.openforce.com. 1182932271 1800 900 3600 900
openforce.com.          1800    IN      NS      ns10.openforce.com.
openforce.com.          1800    IN      NS      ns34.ifo.net.
ns10.openforce.com.     1800    IN      A       81.223.107.117
;; Received 132 bytes from 62.99.149.110#53(62.99.149.110) in 21 ms
Can we help you?X

My new nameserver (added the ns34 since debugging our provider showed that regardless of what they tell me ns24 and ns34 reflect the same information, ns34 will probably be removed, but the parent servers say ns34 is repsonsible but I never had it in my zone up to the point where I told them that the my nameservers IP changed): ~ $ dig @81.223.107.117 openforce.com SOA openforce.com. 3600 IN SOA ns10.openforce.com. noc.openforce.com. 1182950545 1800 900 3600 900 ;; Received 89 bytes from 81.223.107.117#53(81.223.107.117) in 66 ms

~ $ dig @81.223.107.117 openforce.com NS 

openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns24.ifo.net.
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns10.openforce.com.
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns34.ifo.net.
ns10.openforce.com.     3600    IN      A       81.223.107.117
;; Received 111 bytes from 81.223.107.117#53(81.223.107.117) in 27 ms

My DNS Providers nameserver: 

~ $ dig @ns24.ifo.net openforce.com SOA
openforce.com.          3600    IN      SOA     ns10.openforce.com.
noc.openforce.com. 1182932271 1800 900 3600 900
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns10.openforce.com.
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns24.ifo.net.

Can't find what you're looking for?X

ns10.openforce.com.     3600    IN      A       81.223.107.117
ns24.ifo.net.           7200    IN      A       217.29.159.135
;; Received 148 bytes from 217.29.159.135#53(217.29.159.135) in 58 ms 
~ $ dig @ns34.ifo.net openforce.com SOA
openforce.com.          3600    IN      SOA     ns10.openforce.com.
noc.openforce.com. 1182932271 1800 900 3600 900
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns10.openforce.com.
openforce.com.          3600    IN      NS      ns24.ifo.net.
ns10.openforce.com.     3600    IN      A       81.223.107.117
ns24.ifo.net.           7200    IN      A       217.29.159.135
;; Received 148 bytes from 217.29.159.131#53(217.29.159.131) in 37 ms

The com Nameservers say this:
providing only the first output here since all report the same ~ $ for i in $(dig com NS|egrep '^com\.'|awk '{print $5}');do dig @$i 

openforce.com NS;done
openforce.com.          172800  IN      NS      ns10.openforce.com.
openforce.com.          172800  IN      NS      ns34.ifo.net.
ns10.openforce.com.     172800  IN      A       62.99.149.110
ns34.ifo.net.           172800  IN      A       217.29.159.131
;; Received 108 bytes from 192.52.178.30#53(192.52.178.30) in 53 ms

thanks
martin

On 6/27/07, Till Wimmer <t.wimmer@tonarchiv.ch> wrote:
> Hi Martin,
>
> actually this is not a debian related question...
>
> If you post your zone file and tell us what version, ip etc. your server
> is using, we could help you a little bit more...
>
> bye
> Till
>
> Martin Marcher wrote:
> > hello,
> >
> > i needed to update our nameserver, now maintaining my own nameserver
> > is fine but I don't know what procedure to follow if i need to point
> > our ns a new IP. Having blindly trusted our dns provider to tell me
> > about eventualities i just told them to update the ip address for the
> > nameserver and tell me about possible problems. what can i say he told
> > me everything is fine and now dnsreport.com tells me about mismatched
> > glue for our nameservers
> >
> > http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?%26domain%3Dopenforce.com
> >
> > Do I just have to wait for the parent servers until propagation is
> > finished or did something go horribly wrong?
> >
> > thanks
> > martin
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: 27 Jun 2007 11:44:28 -0700 From: Alexandru Cardaniuc <cardaniuc@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Asus P5B Deluxe or Asus P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP Message-ID: <87ir998cfn.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi All! I am thinking about assembling a new debian amd64 computer. With recommendations on amd64 list I settled on a Core 2 Duo processor with one of Asus P5B flavour motherboards. The new box will be on the second floor and it needs to be connected to the network on the first floor. Cables won't work. So, I need to use wireless for that. Therefore I was thinking about ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP. Is wireless on this board going to work with debian amd64 ? I tried googling but didn't find any information on that matter. With google I found out, though, that the WiFi-AP on that board is based on some Realtek RTL chipset, and to make it work I will probably need ndiswrapper. Does anybody here have this board and uses the wireless on it with Debian amd64 ? Does it work ? Does it work solely with ndiswrapper ? Are there, then, 64bit drivers for it ? Or does it work with linux without ndiswrapper ? Since I won't be able to connect to the network with cables through ethernet, I want to be very sure that wireless on that board will work well on debian amd64 ? The other option is to go with ASUS P5B Deluxe that doesn't include the WiFi-AP and buy an additional PCI or USB WiFi card. After reading some recommendations on this list it seems that Ralink based WiFi is going to work fine. Googling I found out about Ralink RT2501 PCI and Ralink RT2501U USB that are said to be linux supported. Are there any recommendations with what to go: USB or PCI ? Since I am going to use it only on this new computer, I think I should settle for the PCI version. Are these Ralink WiFi cards well supported under linux? Is the support built into the stock debian linux kernel, or I will have to compile a custom kernel to make the WiFi work ? Are there any other WiFi cards I should consider that may work better under linux ? So, what is the recommended way to go: ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP or ASUS P5B Deluxe + WiFi card ? One more question: I intend to use the new box with debian etch. Are these motherboards going to work with linux kernel 2.6.18 ? Any suggestions would be very appreciated... -- "One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man." - Elbert Hubbard

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:11:42 -0400 From: Ralph Katz <ralph.katz@rcn.com> To: Debian-Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Migrate kernel 2.4 to 2.6 Message-ID: <4682B66E.6020606@rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 06/27/2007 10:45 AM, Kenward Vaughan wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 07:50 +0000, Qnick wrote:
>> I have a box ((Fujitsu-Siemens PRIMERGY RX300 S3) within Debian 4.0
>> "Etch" and 2.4.31 kernel .
>> I very want upgrade it to kernel 2.6.21 but i don't know how do it.
>> I installed kernel package 2.6.18 from Debian distribution but after
>> reboot accured "kernel panic" (don't detect scsi megaraid).
>> After I compiled new kernel. I installed necessary package: udev,
>> yaird , initramfs-tools.
> ...
>
> Just in general, there are reference pages out there for migration. One
> is
>
> http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5793467888.html
>
> This isn't a direct answer to what ails you, but is worth looking at for
> those switching from 2.4.x to the 2.6 kernel.
>
>
> Kenward
Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- Release Notes http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes "The Release Notes also contain instructions for users who are upgrading from prior releases."
>From that, you'll know what you missed that caused the troubles, and
perhaps it can help you salvage the upgrade. Ralph

Don't know where to look next?X

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:47:59 -0400 From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> To: Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> Cc: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: RTF - proprietary or open? Message-Id: <20070627144759.30d822c8.celejar@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Back on list] On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:42:39 +0100 Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
> > I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
> > with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
> > standard. Wikipedia [0] claims that it's proprietary. This article
> > [1] points out that it has the same status as PDF. I can't imagine
> > that Abi would recommend a non-open standard, and even prefer it to ODF
> > (OASIS / XML) [2]. What does it even mean for a file format to be
> > open? That the creator can't restrict its use? That the spec has been
> > published?
>
> See here.
> http://www.answers.com/topic/rtf?cat=technology
>
> It's a Microsoft "standard". Draw your own conclusions regarding "open".
I'd certainly suspect MS, but its authorship is insufficient reason to conclude that it isn't open.
> Peter HB
Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:50:59 -0400 From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: RTF - proprietary or open? Message-Id: <20070627145059.5913fe9c.celejar@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:46:37 -0700 Alan Ianson <agianson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-25-06 at 10:18 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
> > with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
> > standard. Wikipedia [0] claims that it's proprietary. This article
> > [1] points out that it has the same status as PDF. I can't imagine
> > that Abi would recommend a non-open standard, and even prefer it to ODF
> > (OASIS / XML) [2]. What does it even mean for a file format to be
> > open? That the creator can't restrict its use? That the spec has been
> > published?
> >
> > [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format
> > [1] http://www.tkachenko.com/blog/archives/000657.html
> > [2] http://www.abisource.com/mailinglists/abiword-dev/2003/Apr/0167.html
> >
>
> I had a quick look at abiword a long time ago and quit using it for this
> very reason. I guess the rtf format is still readable by most word processors
> (I don't have good info, I don't use them) and that's the reasoning why abiword
> uses it. I could never get happy with it myself and that's why I don't
> use it. I couldn't get happy with koffice/kword for the same reasons
> although I believe kword supports ODF now and I hope this will continue
> to be the case with koffice and other word processing applications like
> abiword in the future.
Thanks. Abi seems to currently support ODF natively, btw. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:52:13 -0400 From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: RTF - proprietary or open? Message-Id: <20070627145213.bfdfcb3e.celejar@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:35:27 +0300 David Baron <d_baron@012.net.il> wrote:
> > I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
> > with non-Abi users. =A0I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
> > standard. =A0Wikipedia [0] claims that it's proprietary. =A0This article
> > [1] points out that it has the same status as PDF. =A0I can't imagine
> > that Abi would recommend a non-open standard, and even prefer it to ODF
> > (OASIS / XML) [2]. =A0What does it even mean for a file format to be
> > open? That the creator can't restrict its use? That the spec has been
> > published?
> >
> > [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format
> > [1] http://www.tkachenko.com/blog/archives/000657.html
> > [2] http://www.abisource.com/mailinglists/abiword-dev/2003/Apr/0167.html
>=20
> As I have said, RTF is Microsoft's language and maintaining RTF readers i=
s=20
> chasing a moving target. However, there is a document published specifyin=
g=20
> the language and sticking to that should work. Problem is all the proprie=
tary=20
> stuff that gets added in my Microsoft (and others).
>=20
> RTF can go in and out of Word, Abiword, Kword, Openoffice. Each has its=20
> problems but it can be done. RTF was the intermediary for most all of the=
=20
> Dagesh/Accent filters as well.
>=20
> Microsoft does not restrict its use to my knowledge.
>=20
> Note: SQL is also theirs so their initiating a standard (even if they fud=
ge it=20
> all the time) does not make it unacceptable!
Thanks. This confirms what I had begun to conclude. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:53:58 -0400 From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: RTF - proprietary or open? Message-Id: <20070627145358.77e5d81d.celejar@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:27:33 +0300 ndemou@gmail.com wrote:
> On 6/25/07, David Baron <d_baron@012.net.il> wrote:
> > > I'm using Abiword, which recommends using RTF for document exchange
> > > with non-Abi users. I'm trying to understand whether RTF is an open
> > > standard. Wikipedia [0] claims that it's proprietary. This article
> > > [1] points out that it has the same status as PDF. I can't imagine
> > > that Abi would recommend a non-open standard, and even prefer it to ODF
> > > (OASIS / XML) [2]. What does it even mean for a file format to be
> > > open? That the creator can't restrict its use? That the spec has been
> > > published?
> > >
> > > [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format
> > > [1] http://www.tkachenko.com/blog/archives/000657.html
> > > [2] http://www.abisource.com/mailinglists/abiword-dev/2003/Apr/0167.html
> >
>
> you can check these
> http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20061204130954610&amp;title=RTF+specification+timeline&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=512993#c513503
> http://blogs.msdn.com/brian_jones/archive/2005/10/01/476067.aspx#476910
Look interesting. I'll have to take a closer look. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:03:31 -0300 From: Marcelo Chiapparini <chiappa@uerj.br> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: bluetooth in etch Message-Id: <1182971011.6413.39.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am running etch and I want to use bluetooth in order to synchronize my cel telefone (motorola z3) with the desktop. I got a bluetooth usb adapter and now I have to configure etch to use bluetooth. I googled a bit and found the following pages: http://www.howtoforge.com/bluetooth_pand_debian_etch which seems pretty complex to me, and http://www.stolk.org/debian/bluetooth.html I wander is does exists an standard bluetooth guide for etch... Thanks in advance Marcelo -- Marcelo Chiapparini DFT-IF/UERJ chiappa@uerj.br

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:35:10 -0400 From: Wayne Topa <linuxone@intergate.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Asus P5B Deluxe or Asus P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP Message-ID: <20070627203510.GA19328@buddy.mtntop.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Alexandru Cardaniuc(cardaniuc@gmail.com) is reported to have said:
> Hi All!
>
> I am thinking about assembling a new debian amd64 computer. With
> recommendations on amd64 list I settled on a Core 2 Duo processor with
> one of Asus P5B flavour motherboards.
>
> The new box will be on the second floor and it needs to be connected to
> the network on the first floor. Cables won't work. So, I need to use
> wireless for that. Therefore I was thinking about ASUS P5B
> Deluxe/WiFi-AP. Is wireless on this board going to work with debian
> amd64 ? I tried googling but didn't find any information on that matter.
> With google I found out, though, that the WiFi-AP on that board is based
> on some Realtek RTL chipset, and to make it work I will probably need
> ndiswrapper. Does anybody here have this board and uses the wireless on
> it with Debian amd64 ? Does it work ? Does it work solely with
> ndiswrapper ? Are there, then, 64bit drivers for it ? Or does it work
> with linux without ndiswrapper ? Since I won't be able to connect to the
> network with cables through ethernet, I want to be very sure that
> wireless on that board will work well on debian amd64 ?
I do not use ndiswrapper. I prefer to find a card that uses Linux drivers that are _known_ to work. see below.
> The other option is to go with ASUS P5B Deluxe that doesn't include the
> WiFi-AP and buy an additional PCI or USB WiFi card. After reading some
> recommendations on this list it seems that Ralink based WiFi is going to
> work fine. Googling I found out about Ralink RT2501 PCI and Ralink
> RT2501U USB that are said to be linux supported. Are there any
> recommendations with what to go: USB or PCI ? Since I am going to use it
> only on this new computer, I think I should settle for the PCI version.
>
> Are these Ralink WiFi cards well supported under linux? Is the support
> built into the stock debian linux kernel, or I will have to compile a
> custom kernel to make the WiFi work ?
>
> Are there any other WiFi cards I should consider that may work better
> under linux ?
You really have not done your homework. This list has a lot of the WIFI answers you are asking. Check the archives. Be aware that when someone says such & such a card works, you should check which version he is using. See the link below for examples of that. I have 2 Ralink WiFi dongles, neither of which fully work here. I also have 2 pcmcia and 2 pci cards that use the Atheros chipset (Netgear and Dlink) which work very well. A Netgear WG511U pcmcia card is running as an Access point, in an old Thinkpad 770, in the house serving up the net to laptops and desktops. The drivers for the Atheros cards are Debian packages (Madwifi). See <http://madwifi.org> and look for the Compatibility page. There are a large number of cards that are compatible. Again Watch the Version Numbers! I get about a 20-25% increase in signal on the pci cards, due to the external antenna, over the pcmcia cards in the laptops. WT -- Warning, keyboard not found. Press Enter to continue. _______________________________________________________

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:59:23 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-15?q?Benjam=ED_Villoslada?= <benjami@gmail.com> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: lpd: CPU and memory consumption Message-Id: <200706272259.24264.benjami@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline =46rom one week ago one lpd process (in Debian Sid) progressively needs mor= e CPU=20 and memory. I need to kill it. Seems that is the LPD for one Samsung=20 printer --6 months old, without problems until one week ago. Only 15 min. after a done print job, now lpd PID 19449 have 61% CPU and 14.= 8%=20 memory --and growing. $ ps ax | grep -i lpd 3518 ? Ss 2:01 lpd Waiting 19449 ? Ss 15:23 lpd (Server) 'Samsung_ML-2010_USB_1' 22870 pts/3 R+ 0:00 grep -i lpd 22868 ? Zs 0:00 [lpd] <defunct> Any idea? Thanks! Regards, =2D-=20 Benjam=ED http://blog.bitassa.cat =2E End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #1857 ************************************************** Received on Wed Jun 27 18:06:27 2007

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