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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 1863

Today's Topics: 

  "recovering journal" at every system  [ "John Smith"  ]
  Re: "recovering journal" at every sy  [ Orestes leal  ]
  Re: congelamento del sistema          [ "Sudev Barar"  ]
  libneon25, or libneon26?              [ Marc Shapiro  ]
  Re: kernel 2.4 with debian etch?      [ Robert Cates  ]
  Re: have to learn python              [ Douglas Allan Tutty  ]
  Cellphone pages from mozilla/firefox  [ gustavo halperin  ]

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:57:05 +0000
From: "John Smith" <the.real.monkey.d.luffy@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: "recovering journal" at every system boot 

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Everytime I boot the system, from a clean state (i.e. no power failure or inexpected reset), the boot process stops for about 1 minute to perform a "/dev/sdb1: recovering journal" session.

fsck logs this messages:

#cat /var/log/fsck/checkroot
Log of fsck -C -a -t ext3 /dev/sda1
Wed Jun 27 18:37:38 2007

Do you need help?X

fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006)
/dev/sda1: Superblock last write time is in the future. FIXED.
/dev/sda1: clean, 304902/2048000 files, 2362204/4090550 blocks

Wed Jun 27 18:37:38 2007

#cat /var/log/fsck/checkfs
Log of fsck -C -R -A -a
Wed Jun 27 23:37:40 2007

fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006)
/dev/sdb1: recovering journal
/dev/sdb1: clean, 12844/78464 files, 30360286/80325000 blocks

Wed Jun 27 23:38:11 2007 

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#                
proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0

/dev/sda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
/dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
/dev/sdb1       /vault          ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       2
  • sda1 filesystem was made by standard installer
  • sdb1 filesystem was made using: mkfs.ext2 -m 1 -O dir_index,filetype,has_journal,^journal_dev,^resize_inode,^sparse_super -T largefile4 -v /dev/sdb1

Thanks in advance for any help.

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:35:32 -0600
From: TW <twilliams001@elp.rr.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: SSL Certificate Authorities 

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Can we help you?X

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Do you need more help?X

Opinions wanted:

    I did some research on VeriSign and, in my personal opinion, they're a bunch of creeps (again, that's my personal opinion). I wanted to know: why even bother with these kinds of "verification" services when you/me/whoever could easily get this same information verified through a local notary public service? What's the difference? Apologies if this question isn't Debian related, but, I started thinking about this again while reading the Linux Bible. ~Telly

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:34:38 -0400
From: Orestes leal <orestesleal13022@cha.jovenclub.cu> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: "recovering journal" at every system boot 

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:57:05 +0000
"John Smith" <the.real.monkey.d.luffy@gmail.com> wrote: 

> Everytime I boot the system, from a clean state (i.e. no power failure
> or inexpected reset), the boot process stops for about 1 minute to
> perform a "/dev/sdb1: recovering journal" session.
> 
> 
> fsck logs this messages:
> ============================================
> 
> #cat /var/log/fsck/checkroot
> Log of fsck -C -a -t ext3 /dev/sda1
> Wed Jun 27 18:37:38 2007
> 
> fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006)
> /dev/sda1: Superblock last write time is in the future.  FIXED.
> /dev/sda1: clean, 304902/2048000 files, 2362204/4090550 blocks
> 
> Wed Jun 27 18:37:38 2007
> 
> ============================================
> 
> #cat /var/log/fsck/checkfs
> Log of fsck -C -R -A -a
> Wed Jun 27 23:37:40 2007
> 
> fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006)
> /dev/sdb1: recovering journal
> /dev/sdb1: clean, 12844/78464 files, 30360286/80325000 blocks
> 
> Wed Jun 27 23:38:11 2007
> 
> 
> =============================================
> 
> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> #
> #                
> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
> /dev/sda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
> /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
> /dev/sdb1       /vault          ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       2
> 
> 
> 
> - sda1 filesystem was made by standard installer
> 
> - sdb1 filesystem was made using:
> mkfs.ext2 -m 1 -O
> dir_index,filetype,has_journal,^journal_dev,^resize_inode,^sparse_super
> -T largefile4 -v /dev/sdb1
> 

Can't find what you're looking for?X

> 
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> 
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For about a minute?

based on your messages you shouldn't be harmed, this kind of messages show things from the journaling system state but (for me) not problem actually was found in your system, so, I think that everithing it's okay, anything abnormal it's happening? I meant, stranges behaviors in the apps or the system after booting?

I have in my /etc/fstab this entry for the root partition.

Don't know where to look next?X

/dev/sda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1

Good luck.
Best,
Ore.

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:16:05 +0200
From: "salvatore sanna" <kazzeri@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: congelamento del sistema
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Chiedo il vostro aiuto per un problema ricorrente con la mia debian, purtroppo non ho trovato nessuna risposta sul web, anche perch=E8 il proble= ma
=E8 abbastanza particolare.
La versione della debian =E8 la 4.0, tutti gli ultimi aggiornamenti installati, kernel 2.6.18-4-k7; il processore =E8 un athlon 64 3000+, 1GB d= i
ram, scheda video nvidia geforce 7600 GT con ultimi driver uffuciali, hard disk sata della hitachi da 160 GB, 97 dei quali per linux. Uso gnome come window manager, la versione =E8 quella fornita nella distribuzione, qualche giorno fa, dopo aver lasciato acceso il pc di notte, a fare le sue cose, tra le quali scaricare dei torrents, la mattina il sistema non rispondeva pi=F9, schermo nero (premetto appunto che lo screen saver era impostato su schermo nero), quindi era normale che ci fosse lo schermo nero, ma non era normale che non riapparisse il desktop muovendo il mouse o digitando qualcosa sulla tastiera. Sono stato dunque costretto a resettare, ho pensato allora di disabilitare la sospensione e lo spegniment= o
del monitor, ma non lo screen saver, ma 2 notti dopo si =E8 ripresentato il problema, sistema congelato che non risponde a nessun comando, e quindi nuovamente reset. Lo stesso giorno dopo essere stato lasciato inattivo per un'ora, il sistema si =E8 nuovamente congelato, al successivo riavvio ho disabilitato lo screen saver, ma il giorno dopo, cio=E8 oggi, dopo 2 ore di inattivit=E0 il sistema si =E8 congelato nuovamente, ora il desktop era vis= ibile
ma non era possibile fare niente, mouse fermo, nessuna possibilit=E0 di accedere alla console tramite ctrl+alt+f1, niente di niente. Non capisco assolutamente a cosa sia dovuto, premetto che ho installato la debian sul sata della hitachi solamente una settimana fa, prima infatti risiedeva su u= n
vecchio eide e funzionava alla grande (kernel 2.6.18-4-486, me ne installa uno diverso ogni volta), ho dovuto cambiare perch=E8 l'hard disk si =E8 ro= tto.
Grazie, spero mi possiate aiutare.

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Chiedo il vostro aiuto per un problema ricorrente con la mia debian, purtro=
ppo non ho trovato nessuna risposta sul web, anche perch=E8 il problema =E8=  abbastanza particolare.<br>La versione della debian =E8 la 4.0, tutti gli = ultimi aggiornamenti installati, kernel=20 
2.6.18-4-k7; il processore =E8 un athlon 64 3000+, 1GB di ram, scheda video=
 nvidia geforce 7600 GT con ultimi driver uffuciali, hard disk sata della h=
itachi da 160 GB, 97 dei quali per linux.
Uso gnome come window manager,=
 la versione =E8 quella fornita nella distribuzione, qualche giorno fa, dop=
o aver lasciato acceso il pc di notte, a fare le sue cose, tra le quali sca=
ricare dei torrents, la mattina il sistema non rispondeva pi=F9, schermo ne=
ro (premetto appunto che lo screen saver era impostato su schermo nero), qu=
indi era normale che ci fosse lo schermo nero, ma non era normale che non r=
iapparisse il desktop muovendo il mouse o digitando qualcosa sulla tastiera=
. Sono stato dunque costretto a resettare, ho pensato allora di disabilitar=
e la sospensione e lo spegnimento del monitor, ma non lo screen saver, ma 2=
 notti dopo si =E8 ripresentato il problema, sistema congelato che non risp=
onde a nessun comando, e quindi nuovamente reset. Lo stesso giorno dopo ess=
ere stato lasciato inattivo per un'ora, il sistema si =E8 nuovamente co=
ngelato, al successivo riavvio ho disabilitato lo screen saver, ma il giorn=
o dopo, cio=E8 oggi, dopo 2 ore di inattivit=E0 il sistema si =E8 congelato=

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 nuovamente, ora il desktop era visibile ma non era possibile fare niente, =
mouse fermo, nessuna possibilit=E0 di accedere alla console tramite ctrl+al=
t+f1, niente di niente. Non capisco assolutamente a cosa sia dovuto, premet=
to che ho installato la debian sul sata della hitachi solamente una settima=
na fa, prima infatti risiedeva su un vecchio eide e funzionava alla grande =
(kernel=20
2.6.18-4-486, me ne installa uno diverso ogni volta), ho dovuto cambiare pe= rch=E8 l&#39;hard&nbsp; disk si =E8 rotto.<br>Grazie, spero mi possiate aiu= tare.<br>
Confused? Frustrated?X

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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:02:42 +1200
From: Chris Bannister <mockingbird@earthlight.co.nz> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: opinions on package descriptions 

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Hi,

I use "apt-cache search" when I'm looking for a package which may suit my needs. I was amused to get:

$ apt-cache search power | wc -l
791

$ apt-cache search "power " | wc -l
159

$ apt-cache search " power " | wc -l
151

Do you need help?X

How many non-powerful packages are there. :-) 

-- 
Chris.
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:45:45 +0200 From: "salvatore sanna" <kazzeri@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: congelamento del sistema Message-ID: <f758c8f70706281745p673aada4ncc580e9e4324ead3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_55033_25615112.1183077945488" ------=_Part_55033_25615112.1183077945488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm sorry, I found this address in an Italian website, but now I'm realizin= g that you couldn't speak Italian. If you don't understand Italian let me know and I'll try to translate the message. Thank you. Il 29/06/07, salvatore sanna <kazzeri@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > Chiedo il vostro aiuto per un problema ricorrente con la mia debian, > purtroppo non ho trovato nessuna risposta sul web, anche perch=E8 il prob= lema > =E8 abbastanza particolare. > La versione della debian =E8 la 4.0, tutti gli ultimi aggiornamenti > installati, kernel 2.6.18-4-k7; il processore =E8 un athlon 64 3000+, 1GB= di > ram, scheda video nvidia geforce 7600 GT con ultimi driver uffuciali, har= d > disk sata della hitachi da 160 GB, 97 dei quali per linux. > Uso gnome come window manager, la versione =E8 quella fornita nella > distribuzione, qualche giorno fa, dopo aver lasciato acceso il pc di nott= e, > a fare le sue cose, tra le quali scaricare dei torrents, la mattina il > sistema non rispondeva pi=F9, schermo nero (premetto appunto che lo scree= n > saver era impostato su schermo nero), quindi era normale che ci fosse lo > schermo nero, ma non era normale che non riapparisse il desktop muovendo = il > mouse o digitando qualcosa sulla tastiera. Sono stato dunque costretto a > resettare, ho pensato allora di disabilitare la sospensione e lo spegnime= nto > del monitor, ma non lo screen saver, ma 2 notti dopo si =E8 ripresentato = il > problema, sistema congelato che non risponde a nessun comando, e quindi > nuovamente reset. Lo stesso giorno dopo essere stato lasciato inattivo pe= r > un'ora, il sistema si =E8 nuovamente congelato, al successivo riavvio ho > disabilitato lo screen saver, ma il giorno dopo, cio=E8 oggi, dopo 2 ore = di > inattivit=E0 il sistema si =E8 congelato nuovamente, ora il desktop era v= isibile > ma non era possibile fare niente, mouse fermo, nessuna possibilit=E0 di > accedere alla console tramite ctrl+alt+f1, niente di niente. Non capisco > assolutamente a cosa sia dovuto, premetto che ho installato la debian sul > sata della hitachi solamente una settimana fa, prima infatti risiedeva su= un > vecchio eide e funzionava alla grande (kernel 2.6.18-4-486, me ne install= a > uno diverso ogni volta), ho dovuto cambiare perch=E8 l'hard disk si =E8 = rotto. > Grazie, spero mi possiate aiutare. > ------=_Part_55033_25615112.1183077945488 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I&#39;m sorry, I found this address in an Italian website, but now I&#39;m = realizing that you couldn&#39;t speak Italian.<br>If you don&#39;t understa= nd Italian let me know and I&#39;ll try to translate the message.<br>Thank = you. <br><br><br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">Il 29/06/07, <b class=3D"g= mail_sendername">salvatore sanna</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kazzeri@gmail.co= m">kazzeri@gmail.com</a>&gt; ha scritto:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q= uote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0= pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Chiedo il vostro aiuto per un problema ricorrente con la mia debian, purtro= ppo non ho trovato nessuna risposta sul web, anche perch=E8 il problema =E8= abbastanza particolare.<br>La versione della debian =E8 la 4.0, tutti gli = ultimi aggiornamenti installati, kernel=20 2.6.18-4-k7; il processore =E8 un athlon 64 3000+, 1GB di ram, scheda video= nvidia geforce 7600 GT con ultimi driver uffuciali, hard disk sata della h= itachi da 160 GB, 97 dei quali per linux.<br>Uso gnome come window manager,= la versione =E8 quella fornita nella distribuzione, qualche giorno fa, dop= o aver lasciato acceso il pc di notte, a fare le sue cose, tra le quali sca= ricare dei torrents, la mattina il sistema non rispondeva pi=F9, schermo ne= ro (premetto appunto che lo screen saver era impostato su schermo nero), qu= indi era normale che ci fosse lo schermo nero, ma non era normale che non r= iapparisse il desktop muovendo il mouse o digitando qualcosa sulla tastiera= . Sono stato dunque costretto a resettare, ho pensato allora di disabilitar= e la sospensione e lo spegnimento del monitor, ma non lo screen saver, ma 2= notti dopo si =E8 ripresentato il problema, sistema congelato che non risp= onde a nessun comando, e quindi nuovamente reset. Lo stesso giorno dopo ess= ere stato lasciato inattivo per un&#39;ora, il sistema si =E8 nuovamente co= ngelato, al successivo riavvio ho disabilitato lo screen saver, ma il giorn= o dopo, cio=E8 oggi, dopo 2 ore di inattivit=E0 il sistema si =E8 congelato= nuovamente, ora il desktop era visibile ma non era possibile fare niente, = mouse fermo, nessuna possibilit=E0 di accedere alla console tramite ctrl+al= t+f1, niente di niente. Non capisco assolutamente a cosa sia dovuto, premet= to che ho installato la debian sul sata della hitachi solamente una settima= na fa, prima infatti risiedeva su un vecchio eide e funzionava alla grande = (kernel=20 2.6.18-4-486, me ne installa uno diverso ogni volta), ho dovuto cambiare pe= rch=E8 l&#39;hard&nbsp; disk si =E8 rotto.<br>Grazie, spero mi possiate aiu= tare.<br> </blockquote></div><br> ------=_Part_55033_25615112.1183077945488--

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:11:03 +0800 From: "Kun Niu" <haoniukun@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Can't see my bootsplash image. Message-ID: <ec9e7ff10706281811s6725d43fmb0d536c0ae8d24d5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear all, I've just install bootsplash package on my system. And I have fb module installed on my system. I can see fb0 under /dev. I also install the bootsplash debian theme package. I updated my initramfs. The corrresponding default series images can be seen. But when the system boots, I can only see a black screen. No beautiful pictures can be seen.:(

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:51:03 +0530 From: "Sudev Barar" <sbarar@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: congelamento del sistema Message-ID: <774593a20706281821g322a9cacp6be1a0b8259aaabc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 29/06/07, salvatore sanna <kazzeri@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm sorry, I found this address in an Italian website, but now I'm realizing > that you couldn't speak Italian. > If you don't understand Italian let me know and I'll try to translate the > message. Would be better. IAC I used a web translator to understand your problem with random freezing of server. First of all try running memtest86 utility to make sure no memory module is gone bad. Check on server power supply. Is it adequate for continuous running? Did yoy add any drives recently to over load power supply? Look at adding something like munin so that you can get logged information about server on restart to see what caused the problem. HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:49:35 -0700 From: Marc Shapiro <mshapiro_42@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: libneon25, or libneon26? Message-ID: <4684652F.4050504@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an Etch system that I keep up to date with nightly downloads using cron-apt and doing a manual 'aptitude upgrade' every few days. A few days ago I noticed that OOo was being held back. A little research showed that it needed the installation of libneon25. But I already have libneon26 installed. Aptitude shows it as being automatically installed, so it is aware of the package, but says that it is unused and will be removed. Why dos aptitude want to remove libneon26 and install libneon25? Is there any way to use what I have, or do I need to let aptitude downgrade libneon? -- Marc Shapiro mshapiro_42@yahoo.com

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:20:13 -0400 From: Wayne Topa <linuxone@intergate.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Can't see my bootsplash image. Message-ID: <20070629022012.GA15335@buddy.mtntop.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Kun Niu(haoniukun@gmail.com) is reported to have said: > Dear all, > > I've just install bootsplash package on my system. > And I have fb module installed on my system. > I can see fb0 under /dev. > I also install the bootsplash debian theme package. > I updated my initramfs. > The corrresponding default series images can be seen. > But when the system boots, I can only see a black screen. > No beautiful pictures can be seen.:( Maybe you should try loading the grub-splashimages package? And read it's README. Wayne -- You had mail, but the super-user read it, and deleted it! _______________________________________________________

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:24:21 +0200 From: Robert Cates <robert@kormar.de> To: Ralph Katz <ralph.katz@rcn.com> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: kernel 2.4 with debian etch? Message-ID: <46846D55.6090801@kormar.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralph Katz wrote: > On 06/28/2007 05:25 PM, Thomas Jollans wrote: > >> On Thursday 28 June 2007, Rodolfo Medina wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Is it possible, and how?, to install the kernel 2.4 with Etch? It seems >>> that I don't manage to install it typing `linux24' at boot from CDROM. >>> >> Linux 2.4 is not part of etch. In other news, linux 2.4 is ancient and linux >> 2.6 works well ;-) >> >> >> > > It's official, not just Thomas's opinion. :) > > Regards, > Ralph (still clueless on how to paste formatted text into icedove) > > > Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- Release Notes > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes > > > 2.3. Major kernel-related changes > --------------------------------- > > Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ships with kernel version 2.6.18 for all > architectures; the release is still mostly [1] compatible with 2.4 > kernels, but Debian no longer provides or supports 2.4 kernel > packages. > > There have been major changes both in the kernel itself and in the > packaging of the kernel for Debian. Some of these changes complicate > the upgrade procedure and can potentially result in problems while > rebooting the system after the upgrade to etch. This section gives an > overview of the most important changes; potential issues and > information on how to work around them is included in later chapters. > > If you are currently using a 2.4 kernel, you should read Section 5.2, > `Upgrading to a 2.6 kernel' carefully. > > [1] Some individual packages may no longer work correctly with a 2.4 > kernel; see Section 5.1.2, `Some applications may no longer work with > a 2.4 kernel'. > > > This is interesting, because I upgraded a Sarge machine with kernel 2.6.8 to Etch and a 2.6.18 kernel and had a major problem immediately after rebooting (could not login to the machine at all). However I then upgraded a Sarge machine with a 2.4.27 kernel to Etch but keeping the 2.4.27 kernel and I have not had a problem yet at all. If you're installing fresh, you might consider installing Sarge with a 2.4.27 kernel first, and then upgrade the machine, as I did.

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:43:24 -0400 From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: have to learn python Message-ID: <20070629024324.GA6654@titan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 04:49:17PM +0100, abdelkader belahcene wrote: > Hi, > have I need to learn python, I know several interpreters (fro example > bash scripting, ) and laguages (php, C++,C..). > I administrate servers on linux > end developpe application at know using depending of course of type > of application so from bash, to C, C++ ( graphical interface fltk) and > php. > I only program in Python and Fortran. I get it working in Python and then anything that takes a while to run I then redo in Fortran. I did a lot of that on my 486; I don't bother on my Athlon64. :) The packages: python, python-doc, and diveintopython, along with vim-python, python-examples will give you a great start and perhaps all you need. In addition, on the python.org web site you'll find, under documentation, some things that don't come in the debian packages. Look at Python Enhancement Proposal (PEP) 9 which is a style guide for python code. Another great book is "How to think like a computer scientist: Python Version" by Allen Downey, Jeffrey Elkner, and Chris Meyers. While you may know the concepts behind the book, it uses python to illustrate those concepts so you'll see how python works. If someone who hasn't seen python before is presented with it (as happens from time to time here), they often ask "is this psudocode"? It really is simple with none of the pesky punctuation of C (no braces, no semicolons, etc). The testing and looping is clear and easy. Basically, I only use sh for things like dos bat files; for anything with testing and looping I go to python. If you like one-liners like perlisms, you _can_ do that but you have to work at it. Python really wants things laid out in a clear and easy to read form. Enjoy. Doug.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:45:13 -0400 From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: It was new to me, even if it was 3 years old... Message-ID: <20070629034513.GC1702@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was reading Debian-devel and someone mentioned 'apt-cache madison ...' which I didn't know about. So I thought I was mention it so that folks can be aware of its existance. apt-cache madison ... apt-cache=E2=80=99s madison command attempts to mimic the output format= and a subset of the functionality of the Debian archive management tool, madison. It displays available versions of a package in a tabular format. Unlike the original madison, it can only display information for the architecture for which APT has retrieved package lists (APT::Architecture). Cheers, Kev --=20 | .''`. =3D=3D Debian GNU/Linux =3D=3D | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |_______ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed _______|

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:25:30 +0300 From: gustavo halperin <ggh.develop@gmail.com> To: users debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Cellphone pages from mozilla/firefox Message-ID: <4684355A.5010905@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello there are any way to open in Mozilla o Firefox browser the pages that we can see in the cellphone. I already installed the extension wmlbrowser, but I can't see pages like "http://200.55.6.53/ar/universal/p/index.mpl?sid=72b17935fe0733656ba80a2861019900" there are any way to see the above page with Mozilla/Firefox browser? Thank you in advance, Gustavo

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:02:29 +0200 From: Pol Hallen <debianen@fuckaround.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: /dev/pts/ Message-Id: <200706291002.30079.debianen@fuckaround.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks, I'd like use write and talk(d) in jail env. When an user is logged, his don't have any tty (tty: not a tty). I assume it's a /proc/ problem. In /proc/self/fd/ every users had a symblic links to own pts How can I create this in jail env? I did many and many attempt.. Pol

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:21:50 +0200 From: Dan H <dunno@stoptrick.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: have to learn python Message-ID: <20070629102150.56cbcf70@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:19:05 +0200 Joe Hart <j.hart@orange.nl> wrote: > If you already are familiar with the above listed languages, then > learning python should be no problem or: not necessary > at all. --D. End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #1863 ************************************************** Received on Fri Jun 29 04:52:50 2007

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