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debian-user-digest Digest V2007 #1869

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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 1869

Today's Topics: 

  Re: How to move the master boot reco  [ Bob McGowan  ]
  Re: archive corrupted !               [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: apt-get install problem           [ "Nick Adie"  ]
  Re: have to learn python              [ Douglas Allan Tutty  ]
  Re: FileSystem Question               [ Douglas Allan Tutty 

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:15:24 -0700


From: Bob McGowan <bob_mcgowan@symantec.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: How to move the master boot record?
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Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote:
> 

<snipped>


Do you need help?X
> Bob McGowan <bob_mcgowan@symantec.com> writes:
> 
>> If I understand correctly, you have Sarge on a partition that you want to
>> preserve, while using a second partition on the same disk to install Etch.


> 
> Yes, that's right.
> 
> 
>> Once you're happy with the Etch install, you'll redo the Sarge partition
>> formatting to use with your new Etch install.


> 
> Well, no: once I'm happy with Etch (i.e., I've managed to install everything) I
> want to install hda9 grub boot loader to the master boot record of the hard
> drive, so that I can format hda6 when I need to (maybe to install Debian 4.1?
> :)).
> 
> 
> 
>> But you mentioned 5 partitions for Linux, the above is only two, so what are
>> the other 3 used for?  Will you need any of them for the Etch part, are they
>> used with Sarge, or used some other way?


> 
> 
> In them other Linux systems are installed, to do tests (to test applications
> before installing them).  Well, they're too many, I also want to resize them
> and eliminate some.
> 
> 
> 
>> You need the answers to the above, which will modify to some extent what you
>> do.  But I think what you do is simply install Etch, selecting hda9 as the
>> partition to install (the / filesystem for Etch), plus any of the other

Do you need more help?X

>> partitions (or none) depending on the answer to the question.
>>
>> When you get to Etch's grub installation step, it will detect the Windows and
>> Sarge installs and offer to setup grub in the master boot record for you.  It
>> should (if all works as expected) provide you with boot options for Windows,
>> Sarge and Etch.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> When you're happy with Etch (shouldn't take too long!-), you just edit the
>> /boot/grub/menu.lst file for Etch to remove the section that boots Sarge and
>> to
>> change (if needed) the 'default' boot number to match the number position for
>> Etch in the boot section (look for lines beginning with 'title', near the end
>> of the file).  Reformat hda6 and you're done.


> 
> 
> 
> Yes, I could do as you say, but I'd prefer keeping the hda6 boot loader to the
> mbr until Etch is complete in hda9.
> Besides, I want to learn how to do all that because it may turn to be useful in
> other circumstances: e.g. when you want to install MS Windows *after* Linux, I
> suppose.
> 

In that case, when asked during the Etch install about where to put grub 
for Etch, tell it to put it on hda9.  Then, when it finishes, but 
*before* doing the reboot, use Alt-F2 or some such to open a shell 
command line in an available virtual console, determine where things are 
mounted by typing 'mount', cd to /???/boot/grub (??? is the mount point 
of hda9 on the install RAM disk) and copy down the boot stanza info 
created for hda9 from menu.lst.  I'm not sure if this will be completely 
correct for the Sarge side, but it should be close.



When you reboot, you'll get the Sarge grub install, which knows nothing 
about etch (yet).  Boot into Sarge as usuall, cd /boot/grub, edit 
menu.lst to add the info about Etch.  You could also do this as 
described earlier by others, using the grub command.  In either case, 
you should now have a valid Etch boot description for the Sarge loader.



Later, when all is well, you would boot Etch and run grub again to 
install it to the master boot record.


-- 
Bob McGowan

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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:04:58 +0200
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Iceweasel and Icedove not showing main window
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:23:34 +0300, Fabrice Colliot wrote:

> Hi,
> After upgrading from testing to unstable my mozilla apps are not showing
> their main window.
> The processes are running, icedove even ask me for my email password but
> their's nothing else.

>

> I tried to remove old .mozilla and .mozilla-thunderbird from my home
> directory but it did not help.

>

> I also downloaded firefox from mozilla.com and it works.

>

> Has anyone an idea about what's wrong?


Do you see any error messages if you run icedove from an X terminal? You
should also check ~/.xsession-errors.

Did you really complete the upgrade or did apt list some packages as
"kept back"? If you have aptitude installed you can use 

aptitude search '~U' | wc -l

to see how many packages have not yet been upgraded to the newest
available version.

Also tell us which version of icedove you are currently using.
(Run "apt-cache policy icedove" to find out.)

-- 
Regards,            | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |



Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:30:12 -0600
From: TW <twilliams001@elp.rr.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: [SOLVED]: No Internet, but Email
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TW wrote:

> Hi,

>

>    Maybe it's just my day.  I'm trying to get onto the internet but I 
> can't.  I do netstat and see that I'm receiving packets.  I'm able to 
> get on email (obviously).  Did I mess something up?  It happened after 
> I did the chkrootkit command.  I don't think this is on the IP's end.  
> Anyone know what I messed up?  Thanks.  ~Telly

>
>
ISP the culprit.



Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:58:44 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: archive corrupted !
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 08:13:16PM +0200, sfantar wrote:

> > =20

>=20

> I use tar (tar -cvvf) to compress this archive. It's not a file, it's an=

=20

> archive .tar.gz.



if, as you claim, you used 'tar -cvvf' to make the archive then its
not gzip'ed and doesn't need the -z flag to untar it, despite how its
named. to make a true .tgz or .tar.gz archive you would use 'tar
-cvzf'. note the 'z' needed to 'z'ip the archive.=20

to untar it just do 'tar -cvf <some archive>'


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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:52:09 +0200
From: Thomas Jollans <thomas@jollans.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: No Internet, but Email
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On Friday 29 June 2007, TW wrote:

> Hi,

>

>     Maybe it's just my day.  I'm trying to get onto the internet but I
> can't.  I do netstat and see that I'm receiving packets.  I'm able to
> get on email (obviously).  Did I mess something up?  It happened after I
> did the chkrootkit command.  I don't think this is on the IP's end.
> Anyone know what I messed up?  Thanks.  ~Telly


"No Internet, but Email" is contradictory. Email is useless without internet.

You're probably referring to the World Wide Web, not the internet as a whole.

</rant>


Confused? Frustrated?X

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:33:01 +0100
From: "Nick Adie" <nick.adie@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: apt-get install problem
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Karl & Daniel

The apt-get --purge remove <Package Name, worked a treat.

Thanks for your help.

Regards
Nick


>

> On 6/29/07, Karl E. Jorgensen <karl@jorgensen.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 09:42:20AM +0100, Nick Adie wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I ran: apt-get install mediawiki [OK]
> > > i ran: apt-get remove --purge mediawiki [OK]
> >
> > So far, so good
> >
> > > I then in hind sight did a 'stupid' and removed the leftover folders
> > and files.
> >
> > Which ones?

>
>

> All the MediaWiki1.7 folders, can't remember exactly.

>

> > When I now run: apt-get install mediawiki
> > >
> > > It searches the repository tells me everything is OK and installs
> > nothing.
> > >
> > > How do I reinstall?
> >
> > According to what I can see in the repository, the "mediawiki" package
> > is just a metapackage. All it contains is a dependency on mediawiki1.7
> > (or 1.9, depending on your release).
> >
> > The "leftovere" files you removed probably belong(ed) to mediawiki1.7
> > (or mediawiki1.9).  If you blow that away (apt-get --purge remove ...)
> > and reinstall it, you might get somewhere...
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > --
> > Karl E. Jorgensen
> > karl(at)jorgensen.org.uk  http://www.jorgensen.org.uk/
> > karl(at)jorgensen.com      http://karl.jorgensen.com
> > ==== Today's fortune:
> > Booker's Law:
> >        An ounce of application is worth a ton of abstraction.
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Karl &amp; Daniel<br><br>The <span class="q">apt-get --purge remove &lt;Package Name, worked a treat.<br><br>Thanks for your help.<br><br>Regards<br>Nick<br></span><br>&nbsp;<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div><span class="q"><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/29/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Karl E. Jorgensen</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:karl@jorgensen.org.uk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
karl@jorgensen.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 09:42:20AM +0100, Nick Adie wrote:<br>&gt; Hi<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I ran: apt-get install mediawiki [OK]
<br>&gt; i ran: apt-get remove --purge mediawiki [OK]<br><br>So far, so good<br><br>&gt; I then in hind sight did a &#39;stupid&#39; and removed the leftover folders and files.<br><br>Which ones?</blockquote>
<div>&nbsp;</div></span>
<div>All the MediaWiki1.7 folders, can&#39;t remember exactly.</div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><span class="q">&gt; When I now run: apt-get install mediawiki<br>&gt;<br>&gt; It searches the repository tells me everything is OK and installs nothing.
<br>&gt;<br>&gt; How do I reinstall?<br><br>According to what I can see in the repository, the &quot;mediawiki&quot; package<br>is just a metapackage. All it contains is a dependency on mediawiki1.7<br>(or 1.9, depending on your release).
<br><br>The &quot;leftovere&quot; files you removed probably belong(ed) to mediawiki1.7<br>(or mediawiki1.9).&nbsp;&nbsp;If you blow that away (apt-get --purge remove ...)<br>and reinstall it, you might get somewhere...<br><br>Hope this helps
<br>--<br>Karl E. Jorgensen<br><a href="mailto:karl(at)jorgensen.org.uk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">karl(at)jorgensen.org.uk</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://www.jorgensen.org.uk/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://www.jorgensen.org.uk/</a><br><a href="mailto:karl(at)jorgensen.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">karl(at)jorgensen.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:33:53 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: have to learn python
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:21:50AM +0200, Dan H wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:19:05 +0200
> Joe Hart <j.hart@orange.nl> wrote:
> 
> > If you already are familiar with the above listed languages, then
> > learning python should be no problem
> 
> or: not necessary
> 
> > at all.
> 


I think we are all taking the OP's subject line at face value:  I _have_
to learn python (emphasis mine).

Doug.



Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:40:27 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: new disk results in boot problem
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:01:00PM +0200, nicals wahlgren wrote:

> Normally I am using one sata disk, no problem to boot from it. (using 
> amd64 and sid, kernel 2.6.21.2-amd64)
> But when I add another sata or ide disk from old Debian systems the 
> system ends up in initramfs.
> BIOS still says it boots from original disk.
> 
> How do I keep the system to boot from original sata disk when adding 
> more disks?
> 

You may find that it _is_ booting from the origional sata disk but that,
once the kernel is booting, it can't find the root partition because the
kernel has decided that the boot disk is sdb instead of sda.

I think you've run into to the oft-reported device renaming issue.  The
consesnus answer seems to be to use volume names on kernel boot lines
and in fstab instead of device names.  See the mount man page under -L
label, and the similar section near the top of the fstab man page.

Doug.



Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:25:27 -0400
From: Nick Lidakis <nlidakis@verizon.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: The Perfect Linux gaming Box
Message-id: <468586D7.7010705@verizon.net>
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Orestes leal wrote:

> Hi Folks,

>

> I want that some of the members of the group comments something
> about hard core gaming boxes under Linux, what kind of configuration
> I need to play *ALL* Titles and *ALL* forms of games, 3d games like
> Doom3, etc in linux with a performance closely like win32 and DirectX.

>

> NOTE: CPU, VGA, MEMORY, etc.

>

> Best,
> Orestes.

>

>   

I'm running an Asus A8n-SLI, Athlon X2 4600+, an Nvidia 7800 GTX 512Mb, 
2 gigs of RAM, and using the Nvidia drivers with Debian unstable. I play 
True Combat Elite once in a blue moon. It's a total conversion mod for 
Enemy Territory that has hi resolution textures and HDR lighting added. 
I can run the game 1600x1200 and all the details turned up to the 
maximum with nary a slowdown. I tried the Doom 3 demo at 1600x1200 and 
max details with no problems whatsoever. Google earth runs wicked fast, 
with all the details turned up, as well.



Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:54:46 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: FileSystem Question
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 06:45:03PM +0000, Manon Metten wrote:
 

> 
> It's definitely no ordinary backup or RAID. It even works with a single hd.
> SFS takes care of all this. I don't have to backup anything. SFS just
> writes all subsequent copies of a file to different locations on the hd and
> moves the existing ones to .recycled (well, in fact it only updates the
> TOC). .recycled is just a hidden directory where all previous copies of a
> file are stored.
> 
> This also means that in the rare case of a system crash when saving a
> file, I only lose that part of my work that was in memory only. The copy
> on disk remains untouched because only AFTER a new copy is written
> to disk (to a different location), the old copy will be moved to .recycled
> and the TOC will be updated. But in case of a crash during save, the
> new copy isn't finished and thus the old copy remains untouched and
> no TOC update is necessary. This whole process is completely hidden
> for the user. .recycled only comes to mind when I have to recover some
> data.


It sounds like the Log File System (LFS) that NetBSD is working on, or
the database-style of a mainframe where every 'file' is really a record
in a database where back copies are maintained until the space is
needed.

I haven't seen anything like this in Linux.

There was one application where I needed this and it implemented it with
a postgresql database with the files being 'huge' objects.

I've never used it but you can probably use a CVS repository for this
more conveniently.

Doug.



Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:23:28 +0000
From: "Michael Fothergill" <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: testing if Ubuntu deb file for ASCEND works in Debian....
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>From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>
>

> > I tried installing it on the i386 machine at work and I discovered that 

>it

> > needs llibsundials-serial0, python-matplotlib python-numpy and 

>libktable.

> > I couldn't find the sundial libraries anywhere in Synaptic in Etch 4.0 

>r(0)

> > i386.  Maybe they are there but under some different package name I 

>don't

> > recognise.  I couldn't see python-matplotlib or python-numpy in there
> > either.  I guess libktable might be part of tktable.  I am not sure if
> > tktable is around in i386 Etch.
> > I am going to nose around on the internet and find individual deb files 

>for

> > these packages and copy them on to a CDROM.  I will take them to work 

>and

> > manually install them on my machine with the dpkg command.
> >


I tried installing the dependent deb files again today in an effort to 
install ascend once more.  It's a bit complicated to describe everything I 
did.  I went in the packages web page on the debian web site and got the 
latest i386 versions of libsundials-serial0, pyhton numpy, libktable and 
python-matplotlib.  I then used the dpkg command to individually install 
them.  This seemed to stimulate Etch to "find" an older python-matplotlib on 
the DVD install disks I have.  Similarly, it seemed to all of a sudden be 
able to find older versions of python numpy and even the python-numpy-ext 
which I had not copied from the Debian packages web page and I certainly 
couldn't find in Synaptic the other day when I looked for it on the same 
machine. Go figure.... I had always thought that synaptic contained a list 
of all the 18000 packages or whatever there are on the three install DVDs 
and you could choose to install any one of them at will.  But now it seems 
it only shows a selection of them by default, not all of them.  Perhaps you 
could fill me in here.

If you try to install tktable it does not show up in Synaptic as a package.  
It is a source package file, but the binary package is only for 
libtktable2.9, not tktable....

I imported the latest libtktable from the debian package web pages and used 
dpkg to install it.  What was strange was that python-mapplotlib complained 
that libtktable had not been installed....

Maybe there is some other tktable package that needs installing that I am 
not aware of.

So I still haven't got ascend installed yet.

I need to learn a bit more about libtktable and tktable.  libtktable is 
termed a virtual package...  What does that mean?

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

P.S.  What is a pseudo package?











>
>There is a psuedo-package in Debian called WNPP and you file a special
>bug called an ITP or RFP. ITP is intent to package, meaning that you are
>going to do it. RFP is request for package, meaning you want someone
>else to do it. As usual, most packages require additional libraries or
>software to work, so you may need to add a few more 'dependencies' and
>file a few more RFP or ITP bugs. You can also look for
>mentors.debian.net for some help with your packageing effort.
>
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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:10:35 +0200
From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: restarting pump (DHCP) automatically when network unavailable
	at boot time
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On 2007-06-29 12:50:14 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:

> On 2007-06-28 15:17:45 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Change the 'auto eth0' line to 'allow-hotplug eth0' instead.  That
> > triggers the dhcp to happen when the device becomes available.  That
> > will probably workaround whatever problem you are experiencing.  The
> > allow-hotplug is now the default in Etch.

>=20

> This doesn't work. Probably a kernel problem then. I've reported
> the bug.


The bug was closed, so I assume that 'allow-hotplug eth0' is a buggy
answer.

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