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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 1872

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Updating without Apt              [ bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx) ]
  Re: entering data into a pdf file     [ Brad Rogers  ]
  Re: Updating without Apt              [ Andrew Gray  ]
  Re: FileSystem Question               [ "Manon Metten"  ]
  Re: entering data into a pdf file     [ Wackojacko  ]
  Re: USB Stick mount                   [ =?iso-8859-1?q?Benjam=ED_Villoslada ]
  Mounting USB HDs the same every time  [ "Eric A. Bonney"  ]
  Re: FileSystem Question               [ Sam Leon 

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:53:16 -0600


From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Updating without Apt

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William Pursell wrote:

> I would be surprised if a major update to emacs weren't in
> sid within a few days, if not hours.

You missed the very long thread in this list last month with the
subject "I am ANGRY with Debian" where this topic was discussed.



  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/05/msg04442.html
Do you need help?X

In summary, no, recent emacs is not available in Sid and won't be for
some time.  This is a result of the GNU GFDL not being DFSG-free.



The emacs packages have been orphaned:



  http://lists.debian.org/debian-emacsen/2007/03/msg00012.html

Fortunately Romain Francoise has set up an unofficial emacs-snapshot
that may provide relief for emacs users desiring something newer than
emacs21.



  http://lists.debian.org/debian-emacsen/2007/04/msg00002.html

Bob



Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:11:23 +0100


From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: entering data into a pdf file
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:04:09 -0700


Andrew Gray <sweetandy@gmail.com> wrote:



Hello Andrew,


> I remember from my dad's experience at work, where he does this very
> act on an extremely regular basis, that you need the professional
> version of Adobe Acrobat in order to enter data into fields; not even

You can enter data using Acroread.  You can even print out the
completed form.  There are, of course, caveats.  First, the document has
to be set up to allow it at the design stage (i.e. in Adobe Designer),
and second, you can't save, from Acroread, the document with the data
included.



Details are included in the Acroread help files in the section "Filling
in Adobe PDF forms".



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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:00:15 -0700


From: Andrew Gray <sweetandy@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Updating without Apt

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William Pursell wrote:

> Andrew Gray wrote:
>> My name is Andrew, and I use Debian Lenny on an x86 machine.
>>
>> I love Debian. I love apt. The Debian/Apt combination has allowed me 
>> to use software I would have never before dreamed to be possible to 
>> use. I'm quite content with my system at the moment. My problem comes 
>> when a piece of software that I use with frequency is updated by the 
>> developers in a major way. The Debian repositories do not reflect 

Can't find what you're looking for?X

>> this change, and likely won't for some time.
>>
>> The software in question is emacs22. 
>


> I would be surprised if a major update to emacs weren't in
> sid within a few days, if not hours.
>
>
>> Currently I have it compiled in my home directory at ~/source/emacs/, 
>> where I run it directly out of the src directory. I dare not "make 
>> install", or my apt install will be permanently harmed and/or it 
>> won't work and I will be faced with a crippled, non-running version 
>> of emacs on my system. Not only that, but with this compilation I was 
>> able to enable GTK for the X11 run of emacs. I loved having that kind 
>> of flexibility with my compilation.
>>
>> Is there anything I can do to ensure that if I did a make install it 
>> wouldn't affect my current install or something like that?
>


> As was suggested else-thread, you can probably do:
> configure --prefix=/usr/local && make && make install.
> (I'm not an emacs user, so the build may be more complicated
> than that, but this will very likely work.)  In fact, /usr/local
> is the defaul prefix, so you don't even need that.  In other
> words, you can make install, since it will install to /usr/local/bin,
> rather than /usr/bin and not interfere with the version installed
> via apt at all.  If you want to test it more carefully, try
>


> make DESTDIR=/tmp/foo install
>


> and examine the resulting tree in /tmp/foo.  You should only get
> executables in /usr/local/bin.
>


> However, you might want to look into apt pinning.  This allows
> you to pull emacs from sid without requiring you to update your
> entire system to sid, and will give you the updates more
> quickly.  Or, you can simply download the .deb files from
> sid and install them with dpkg.  If the upstream is truly
> not showing up in sid for too long, that won't work.  If
> that is the case, you can grab the .dsc from sid and make
> the modifications yourself to create a newer deb.

>


>


I was going to to a configure --prefix=/usr/local as you suggested, but 
I made the mistake of looking through the configure file and seeing that 
perhaps exec_prefix was the variable I wanted to change. I then figured 
that hey, this is what people do for all the other packages, it's likely 
to work for emacs, and gave it a shot with prefix.



It's worked beautifully! Installation went flawlessly, and now I'll just 
install slime and a few other things and get runnin'. Thanks so much Will!



Andrew Gray


Seattle,WA


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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:01:49 +0000


From: "Manon Metten" <manon.metten@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: FileSystem Question


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Hi Sam,



On 6/30/07, Sam Leon <leon.mailinglist.36@gmail.com> wrote:



ext3cow does this but it is not in debian repos for some reason....
>

> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/0413253

Thanks for the link. I checked out ext3cow, but taking snapshots is
not exactly what I meant. SFS takes no snapshots. It sort of backs
up all files I save. IE: it does not overwrite an existing file, but creates


Confused? Frustrated?X

a new file every time I save it. The old file will be renamed and moved
to the .recycled directory. So this is much less overhead than
creating snapshots from time to time.



  1.   First save of ~/my_doc
  
  2.   Second save of ~/my_doc
    The existing ~/my_doc is moved to ~/.recycled/my_doc
    ~/my_doc is saved to another part of the hd
  
  3.   Third save of ~/my_doc
    The existing ~/my_doc is moved/as to ~/.recycled/my_doc$AAA
    ~/my_doc is saved to another part of the hd
  
  4.   Fourth save of ~/my_doc
    The existing ~/my_doc is moved/as to ~/.recycled/my_doc$AAB
    ~/my_doc is saved to yet another part of the hd
etc.




At this point there exist four copies of my_doc:



three in ~/.recycled

my_doc
my_doc$AAA
my_doc$AAB


and one in ~


my_doc



All this only occurs when I save some file. No snapshots.
Besides that, .recycled only allows file read access and
deletion, no modification of files. SFS takes care of all this.
I don't have to think of it at all. It only comes in handy if I
want to recover some data.



Manon.



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Hi Sam,<br><br><div><span class="q"><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/30/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Sam Leon</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:leon.mailinglist.36@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
leon.mailinglist.36@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
ext3cow does this but it is not in debian repos for some reason....<br><br><a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/0413253" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/0413253




Thanks for the link. I checked out ext3cow, but taking  snapshots is
 not exactly what I meant. SFS takes no snapshots. It sort of backs
up all files I save. IE: it does not overwrite an existing file, but creates

a new file every time I save it. The old file will be renamed and moved
to the .recycled directory. So this is much less overhead than
creating snapshots from time to time.

1. First save  of ~/my_doc 


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2. Second save of ~/my_doc<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The existing ~/my_doc is moved to ~/.recycled/my_doc<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~/my_doc is saved to another part of the hd<br>3. Third save of ~/my_doc<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The existing ~/my_doc is moved/as to ~/.recycled/my_doc$AAA


    ~/my_doc is saved to another part of the hd
4. Fourth save of ~/my_doc
    The existing ~/my_doc is moved/as to ~/.recycled/my_doc$AAB
    ~/my_doc is saved to yet another part of the hd
etc.

At this point there exist four copies of my_doc:

Do you need help?X



three in ~/.recycled
my_doc
my_doc$AAA
my_doc$AAB

and one in ~
 my_doc

All this only occurs when I save some file. No snapshots.
Besides that, .recycled only allows file read access and

 deletion, no modification of files. SFS takes care of all this.
I don't have to think of it at all. It only comes in handy if I
want to recover some data.

Manon.

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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:04:09 -0700
From: Andrew Gray <sweetandy@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: entering data into a pdf file 

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Alan Ianson wrote:

> Hello List!

>

> 	I need to enter data into a pdf file and print it. I can view the pdf using
> evince but I can't seem to enter any data into the fields. How can I do this?
>
>

>

I remember from my dad's experience at work, where he does this very act on an extremely regular basis, that you need the professional version of Adobe Acrobat in order to enter data into fields; not even the regular Acrobat Reader would do the job. Evince won't work because it's only a viewer, similar to Acrobat Reader. I don't know about free software alternatives.

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:06:48 +0100
From: Wackojacko <wackojacko32@ntlworld.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: entering data into a pdf file 

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Andrew Gray wrote:
> Alan Ianson wrote:
> 

>> Hello List!
>>
>>     I need to enter data into a pdf file and print it. I can view the 
>> pdf using evince but I can't seem to enter any data into the fields. 
>> How can I do this?
>>
>>
>>

> I remember from my dad's experience at work, where he does this very act
> on an extremely regular basis, that you need the professional version of
> Adobe Acrobat in order to enter data into fields; not even the regular
> Acrobat Reader would do the job. Evince won't work because it's only a
> viewer, similar to Acrobat Reader. I don't know about free software
> alternatives.
>

Acrobat reader is available from the unofficial debian repository at www.debian-multimedia.com. With the additional plugins available from this site, it does allow filling of forms in pdf format.

HTH Wackojacko

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:08:48 -0600
From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: resolv.conf wrongly gets Belkin router's address 

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Kent West wrote:
> I replaced a dead router the other day with a new Belkin F5D7230-4
> wireless/4-port unit.

First let me say that I am not familiar with that particular piece of hardware.

> When networking starts on my Etch box, /etc/resolv.conf gets rewritten
> like so:
>
> search hydroplatenet
> nameserver 192.168.2.1
> nameserver 208.180.42.68
> nameserver 208.180.42.100

Can we help you?X

I assume this interface is configured using DHCP? Are you using 'resolvconf'? What is in your /etc/network/interfaces file for that interface?

> Web browsing (and other name-dependent Intarweb Pipes stuff) is very
> slow with these settings, but if I comment/remove the first nameserver
> line, which is the address of the Belkin router, things are fine.

Some routers proxy DNS information through themselves. On the boxes I have seen that do this it is configurable and can be turned off. It appears to me from reading your report that the Belkin box has offered its own address as a DNS server in addition to some upstream DNS server.

Inspect the Belkin client DNS configuration and see if that address has been added to the configuration or if there is a way to remove that configuration. On consumer routers I have worked with it has always been possible to specially add in a set of DNS addresses to provide to DHCP clients, by default empty. Hopefully in your case these can be removed specifically. Although it is a terrible thing that it came out-of-the-box with a bad configuration.

> I found a couple of other people with similar problems
> (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297834 and
> http://www.mepis.org/node/3221), one of which provided the kludgey fix
> of pre-pending the good addresses via /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to force
> duplicates of the good address to the top of the file, but that's just ugly.

And you could also completely override the dns addresses provided by dhcp or you could move to static addresses. In both cases you are not getting good use out of the box.

> I've sent this problem to Belkin, and their tech support responded that
> "The Belkin Router only provides a Gateway address but is not a DNS
> server"

Then why did it offer itself as one through DHCP? That could be a confirmation of a bug.

Can't find what you're looking for?X

> (http://www.belkin.com/contact/milan/default1.aspx?id=5B5B5956095F560D0D5C5F0E5B0A5D56305F5E).

Note: That web url has expired.

> They indicated that I should call them on the phone (I hate dealing with
> stuff over the phone...), but I wanted to get all my ducks in a row
> before I do so.

If they hear Debian GNU/Linux they will probably drop your support call immediately too. Sigh. It would be useful to crosscheck this with tests from other operating system clients. If they all behave the same then you have confirmation. If they behave different then that is also useful information.

> Is Debian somehow responsible for incorrectly seeing this "Gateway
> address" as a name server address (and if so, how do I fix it), or is
> the Belkin tech supporter incorrect about his product (or some other
> option)?

When you say Debian here you really should say dhcp3 client or pump or other specific dhcp client that you have installed. If you don't know then you are probably using dhcp3. Debian just bundles it up for you.

I believe that the Belkin DHCP server is offering itself as a DNS server inappropriately. Yours is not the only report of the problem. It may be possible correct the bad configuration by explicit configuration of the box to avoid this.

Commodity routers such as those are inexpensive. Return yours and buy a different brand that works correctly and avoid the problem.

Don't know where to look next?X

Bob

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:09:38 -0600
From: "Aenn Seidhe Priest" <sidhepriest@yandex.ru> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: USB Stick mount 

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On 30.06.2007 at 18:43 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: 

>On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 the mental interface of
>Benjam=ED Villoslada told:
>
>[...]
>> FAT: Unrecognized mount option "flush" or missing value
>> -----------------------------------------------
>>=20
>> Then I manually mount sdd1 with pmount, and work fine.
>>=20
>> Maybe is a hal error?
>
>$ grep sd /etc/fstab
>?
>
>Elimar
>
>--=20

> Do you smell something burning or ist it me?

Maybe it's cacheless :-) 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

     Not far from here, by a white sun, behind a green star, lived the=20

Confused? Frustrated?X
Steelypips, illustrious, industrious, and they hadn't a care: no spats=20 in their vats, no rules, no schools, no gloom, no evil influence of the=20 moon, no trouble from matter or antimatter -- for they had a=20 machine, a dream of a machine, with springs and gears and perfect=20 in every respect. And they lived with it, and on it, and under it, and=20 inside it, for it was all they had -- first they saved up all their atoms= ,=20
then they put them all together, and if one didn't fit, why they=20 chipped at it a bit, and everything was just fine...=20
  • Stanislaw Lem, "Cyberiad"

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:28:10 -0700
From: Alan Ianson <agianson@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: entering data into a pdf file 

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On Sat June 30 2007 11:06:48 am Wackojacko wrote:
> Andrew Gray wrote:
> > Alan Ianson wrote:
> >> Hello List!
> >>
> >> I need to enter data into a pdf file and print it. I can view the
> >> pdf using evince but I can't seem to enter any data into the fields.
> >> How can I do this?
> >
> > I remember from my dad's experience at work, where he does this very act
> > on an extremely regular basis, that you need the professional version of
> > Adobe Acrobat in order to enter data into fields; not even the regular
> > Acrobat Reader would do the job. Evince won't work because it's only a
> > viewer, similar to Acrobat Reader. I don't know about free software
> > alternatives.

>

> Acrobat reader is available from the unofficial debian repository at
> www.debian-multimedia.com. With the additional plugins available from
> this site, it does allow filling of forms in pdf format.
>
> HTH
 It sure does. For a minute there I though I hit a show stopper. I have it installed on my laptop and it works as needed so I can get it installed when I get back to work and we'll be good to go.
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I don't see any acroread package on the amd64 box but that's not critical (at this point).

Thanks for the replies.. :)

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:37:45 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Benjam=ED_Villoslada?= <benjami@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: USB Stick mount
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El Dissabte 30 Juny 2007, Elimar Riesebieter va escriure:
> $ grep sd /etc/fstab

$ grep sd /etc/fstab
/dev/sda5 / ext3 defaults,errors=3Dremount-ro 0 =   1 

/dev/sda7       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
/dev/sda6       none            swap    sw              0       0

Without entry for sdd.

Thanks!

Do you need help?X

=2D-=20
Benjam=ED
http://blog.bitassa.cat

=2E

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:45:59 -0400
From: "Eric A. Bonney" <mailinglists@vanhlebarsoftware.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Mounting USB HDs the same every time. 

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    I have 4 USB hard drives on my server in my basement. The power went out the other night for about 30 seconds and when the server came back online, most of my Samba shares where messed up. I figured out what happened was that the drives were not initialized in the same order as they were when I setup the shares. Now a drive that used to be /media/usb0 was say /media/usb1.

So I have to go back and reconfigure my samba.conf file, not a huge deal, but still a pia. Is there anyway to make it so that the drives will always be named correctly upon rebooting of the server and mounted? I think it needs to be done in fstab is that correct? The other issue I have is that I always have to actually click on each drive before it is able to be used by anyone else. Not sure why, but I don't think the drives are getting mounted at bootup.

Thanks for the help.

-Eric

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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:53:35 +0200
From: pol <linux_milano@yahoo.it>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org
Subject: k3b mesure of dir size across nfs 

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Hi all,

I use k3b to burn backup cd (dvd-r 4.7 gb) of directories on ext3 file system across nfs connection.

K3b has just reported the selected remote directory to be more than 2 gb large. Yet the same mounted directory, as measured by 'du -s' on the local station, where k3b is running, returs about 0.5 gb only . That is the probable correct value, being the same that is found by 'du -s' on the remote machine.
How to fix that strange k3b behaviour?

thank you 

--
Pol

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:55:50 -0500 From: Sam Leon <leon.mailinglist.36@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: FileSystem Question Message-ID: <4686A736.3070606@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080901050302030309060803" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080901050302030309060803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Manon Metten wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> On 6/30/07, *Sam Leon* < leon.mailinglist.36@gmail.com
> <mailto:leon.mailinglist.36@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> ext3cow does this but it is not in debian repos for some reason....
>
> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/0413253
> <http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/0413253>
> > >
> Thanks for the link. I checked out ext3cow, but taking snapshots is
> not exactly what I meant. SFS takes no snapshots. It sort of backs
> up all files I save. IE: it does not overwrite an existing file, but
> creates
> a new file every time I save it. The old file will be renamed and moved
> to the .recycled directory. So this is much less overhead than
> creating snapshots from time to time.
>
> 1. First save of ~/my_doc
> 2. Second save of ~/my_doc
> The existing ~/my_doc is moved to ~/.recycled/my_doc
> ~/my_doc is saved to another part of the hd
> 3. Third save of ~/my_doc
> The existing ~/my_doc is moved/as to ~/.recycled/my_doc$AAA
> ~/my_doc is saved to another part of the hd
> 4. Fourth save of ~/my_doc
> The existing ~/my_doc is moved/as to ~/.recycled/my_doc$AAB
> ~/my_doc is saved to yet another part of the hd
> etc.
>
> At this point there exist four copies of my_doc:
>
> three in ~/.recycled
> my_doc
> my_doc$AAA
> my_doc$AAB
>
> and one in ~
> my_doc
>
> All this only occurs when I save some file. No snapshots.
> Besides that, .recycled only allows file read access and
> deletion, no modification of files. SFS takes care of all this.
> I don't have to think of it at all. It only comes in handy if I
> want to recover some data.
>
> Manon.
> I swear I have heard of something like that for ext3. I though it was ext3cow. Took me like 30 minutes to find it on google, lol. hmm Sam --------------080901050302030309060803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <br> <br> Manon Metten wrote: <blockquote cite="mid5da176070706301101v46b9d797s9c4a85234fa0d956@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Hi Sam,<br> <br> <div><span class="q"><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/30/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Sam Leon</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:leon.mailinglist.36@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> leon.mailinglist.36@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> <br> </span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">ext3cow does this but it is not in debian repos for some reason....<br> <br> <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/0413253" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/0413253 </a></blockquote> </span> <div><br> <br> Thanks&nbsp;for&nbsp;the&nbsp;link.&nbsp;I&nbsp;checked&nbsp;out&nbsp;ext3cow,&nbsp;but&nbsp;taking snapshots is<br> not exactly what I meant. SFS&nbsp;takes&nbsp;no&nbsp;snapshots.&nbsp;It&nbsp;sort&nbsp;of&nbsp;backs<br> up all files I save. IE: it does not overwrite an existing file, but creates <br> a new file every time I save it. The old file will be renamed and moved<br> to the .recycled directory. So this is much less overhead than<br> creating snapshots from time to time.<br> <br> 1. First save of ~/my_doc&nbsp;<br> 2. Second save of ~/my_doc<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The existing ~/my_doc is moved to ~/.recycled/my_doc<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~/my_doc is saved to another part of the hd<br> 3. Third save of ~/my_doc<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The existing ~/my_doc is moved/as to ~/.recycled/my_doc$AAA <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~/my_doc is saved to another part of the hd<br> 4. Fourth save of ~/my_doc<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The existing ~/my_doc is moved/as to ~/.recycled/my_doc$AAB<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~/my_doc is saved to yet another part of the hd<br> etc.<br> <br> At this point there exist four copies of my_doc: <br> <br> three in ~/.recycled<br> my_doc<span class="q"><br> my_doc$AAA<br> my_doc$AAB<br> <br> </span>and one in&nbsp;~<br> my_doc<br> <br> All this only occurs when I save some file. No snapshots.<br> Besides that, .recycled only allows file read access and <br> deletion, no modification of files. SFS takes care of all this.<br> </div> </div> I don't have to think of it at all. It only comes in handy if I<br> want to recover some data.<br> <span class="sg"><br> Manon.</span><br> <br> </blockquote> <br> I swear I have heard of something like that for ext3.&nbsp; I though it was ext3cow.&nbsp; Took me like 30 minutes to find it on google, lol.&nbsp; hmm<br> <br> Sam<br> </body> </html> --------------080901050302030309060803-- End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #1872 ************************************************** Received on Sat Jun 30 15:18:07 2007

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