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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 1913

Today's Topics: 

  [SOLVED] Re: Installing a JRE plug-i  [ andy  ]
  Madwifi drivers on floppy, howto.     [ "J. Santos"  ]
  Re: How to check if a DVD is damaged  [ "Manon Metten"  ]
  Re: Enabling SFTP under Debian 4.0r0  [ Florian Kulzer  ]
  Re: Errors Upgrading to Latest 'sarg  [ Florian Kulzer 

Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:31:08 +0100


From: andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: [SOLVED] Re: Installing a JRE plug-in

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Bob Proulx wrote:

> andy wrote:
>   
>> Jeff D wrote:
>>     
>>> Thats odd, it should create a symlink to 
>>> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so
>>>       
>


> Agreed.
>


>   
>>> what does update-alternatives --list mozilla-javaplugin.so give you?
>>> it should give you something like this:
>>> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
>>>       
>> It gives me something very similar:
>> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
>>
>> I wasn't aware of that command to be honest, so hence was using find and 
>> whereis.
>>     
>


> That may be a source of a problem.  If you have previously created or
> modified the alternatives symlinks, even if you did not know at the
> time that they were part of the alternatives, then from there on
> forward the update-alternatives command will respect your
> modification.  It will show this by listing the symlinks as 'manual'
> instead of 'auto'.  This is because Debian's alternatives system tries
> hard not to override the local admin's explicit configuration.  If you
> told it something then it will respect that.
>


> I have seen this confusion cause trouble with java in particular when
> people installed competing versions simultaneously.  I have had people
> install a manual installation of java placing symlinks here and there
> but never got it working.  Later they thought that installing the
> package version would "fix" their problem.  But the existence of their
> manually created symlinks prevented the package's alternatives from
> being able to be automatically installed.  It looks to the system as
> if there is a manual override already in place!
>


> Here is a previous rant on the subject that I think is a good
> introduction to using the Debian alternatives system.
>


>   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/08/msg02808.html
>


>   
>> Thanks - now onto symlinking. Do I have to do this with Konqueror, 
>> Galeon, and Opera as well as Iceweasel?
>>     
>


> It should be completely automatic.  Assuming the 'auto' designation.
> You can adjust these using update-alternatives.  Try these:
>


>   update-alternatives --display mozilla-javaplugin.so
>


>   update-alternatives --auto mozilla-javaplugin.so
>


> Bob
>


> Thanks Bob
>   

That was a useful overview to alternatives: I wasn't aware of that, and 
how (seemingly) prevalent it is with Debian. Wouldn't you guess it ... 
yep, when I run I am showing manual. I've corrected that now to auto.



I also note from Jeff's post that the site I was using to test this with 
threw up the same response to his testing, so that increases the 
likelihood of it being a site issue.


Do you need help?X

Unless I come across this issue again, for now I'll say that this is 
resolved.



Thanks all for your helpful suggestions.



A


-- 

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"


Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:27:52 +0100
From: "J. Santos" <debianite@warpmail.net>
To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Madwifi drivers on floppy, howto.
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Hi everyone.

How do i create a floppy with the madwifi driver so ecth can recognize
my atheros based  wifi card at install time?
I have been googleing but cant find anything relevant.

Thank you.
--=20
Jos=E9 Santos
debianite@warpmail.net
http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
http://www.ftml.net/mail/?STKI=3D1516747

Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:41:11 +0100
From: andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re:  Installing a JRE plug-in
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andy wrote:

> Bob Proulx wrote:

>> andy wrote:
>>  
>>> Jeff D wrote:
>>>    
>>>> Thats odd, it should create a symlink to 
>>>> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so
>>>>       
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>>  
>>>> what does update-alternatives --list mozilla-javaplugin.so give you?
>>>> it should give you something like this:
>>>> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
>>>>       
>>> It gives me something very similar:
>>> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
>>>
>>> I wasn't aware of that command to be honest, so hence was using find 
>>> and whereis.
>>>     
>>
>> That may be a source of a problem.  If you have previously created or
>> modified the alternatives symlinks, even if you did not know at the
>> time that they were part of the alternatives, then from there on
>> forward the update-alternatives command will respect your
>> modification.  It will show this by listing the symlinks as 'manual'
>> instead of 'auto'.  This is because Debian's alternatives system tries
>> hard not to override the local admin's explicit configuration.  If you
>> told it something then it will respect that.
>>
>> I have seen this confusion cause trouble with java in particular when
>> people installed competing versions simultaneously.  I have had people
>> install a manual installation of java placing symlinks here and there
>> but never got it working.  Later they thought that installing the
>> package version would "fix" their problem.  But the existence of their
>> manually created symlinks prevented the package's alternatives from
>> being able to be automatically installed.  It looks to the system as
>> if there is a manual override already in place!
>>
>> Here is a previous rant on the subject that I think is a good
>> introduction to using the Debian alternatives system.
>>
>>   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/08/msg02808.html
>>
>>  
>>> Thanks - now onto symlinking. Do I have to do this with Konqueror, 
>>> Galeon, and Opera as well as Iceweasel?
>>>     
>>
>> It should be completely automatic.  Assuming the 'auto' designation.
>> You can adjust these using update-alternatives.  Try these:
>>
>>   update-alternatives --display mozilla-javaplugin.so
>>
>>   update-alternatives --auto mozilla-javaplugin.so
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Thanks Bob
>>   
>

> That was a useful overview to alternatives: I wasn't aware of that, 
> and how (seemingly) prevalent it is with Debian. Wouldn't you guess it 
> ... yep, when I run I am showing manual. I've corrected that now to auto.

>

> I also note from Jeff's post that the site I was using to test this 
> with threw up the same response to his testing, so that increases the 
> likelihood of it being a site issue.

>

> Unless I come across this issue again, for now I'll say that this is 
> resolved.

>

> Thanks all for your helpful suggestions.

>

> A

>
Update

Actually, after setting this to auto, I have found another site that is 
asking to install a java plugin. Here is the output of sudo 
update-alternatives --display mozilla-javaplugin.so

mozilla-javaplugin.so - status is auto.
 link currently points to 
/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so - 
priority 63
Current `best' version is 
/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so.

Now I am really confused. Is it best to set it manually or automatically?

A

-- 

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"



Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:46:27 +0000
From: "Manon Metten" <manon.metten@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to check if a DVD is damaged?
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Hi Rodolfo,

On 7/4/07, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote:

A few days ago I by chance realized that the DVD-RW I had used for months to

> do
> may backup was probably damaged: apparently it was not, because I could
> burn my
> data onto it without problems; but when I tried to copy its content into a
> hard
> disk I got I/O errors and some directories could not be copied.

>


I've had this very same problem with cheap CD's that I used for backup.
Making a
backup proceeded without any error, but when I tried to access the data, I
also got
r/w errors, resulting in not being able to access the data anymore.

I trashed all these cheap CD's and turned to quality CD's (in my case
Verbatim 32x).
Then for months I checked all data on CD after making a backup, but I didn't
encounter
a single error anymore. I stick to Verbatim only for backup.

Manon.

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Hi Rodolfo,<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/4/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Rodolfo Medina</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:rodolfo.medina@gmail.com">rodolfo.medina@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
A few days ago I by chance realized that the DVD-RW I had used for months to do<br>may backup was probably damaged: apparently it was not, because I could burn my<br>data onto it without problems; but when I tried to copy its content into a hard
<br>disk I got I/O errors and some directories could not be copied.<br></blockquote></div><br><br>I&#39;ve had this very same problem with cheap CD&#39;s that I used for backup. Making a<br>backup proceeded without any error, but when I tried to access the data, I also got
<br>r/w errors, resulting in not being able to access the data anymore.<br><br>I trashed all these cheap CD&#39;s and turned to quality CD&#39;s (in my case Verbatim 32x).<br>Then for months I checked all data on CD after making a backup, but I didn&#39;t encounter
<br>a single error anymore. I stick to Verbatim only for backup.<br><br>Manon.<br><br>

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Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:43:44 +0100
From: andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: [SOLVED] Re: Installing a JRE plug-in
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andy wrote:

> andy wrote:

>> Bob Proulx wrote:
>>> andy wrote:
>>>  
>>>> Jeff D wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>> Thats odd, it should create a symlink to 
>>>>> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so
>>>>>       
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>>  
>>>>> what does update-alternatives --list mozilla-javaplugin.so give you?
>>>>> it should give you something like this:
>>>>> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
>>>>>       
>>>> It gives me something very similar:
>>>> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't aware of that command to be honest, so hence was using 
>>>> find and whereis.
>>>>     
>>>
>>> That may be a source of a problem.  If you have previously created or
>>> modified the alternatives symlinks, even if you did not know at the
>>> time that they were part of the alternatives, then from there on
>>> forward the update-alternatives command will respect your
>>> modification.  It will show this by listing the symlinks as 'manual'
>>> instead of 'auto'.  This is because Debian's alternatives system tries
>>> hard not to override the local admin's explicit configuration.  If you
>>> told it something then it will respect that.
>>>
>>> I have seen this confusion cause trouble with java in particular when
>>> people installed competing versions simultaneously.  I have had people
>>> install a manual installation of java placing symlinks here and there
>>> but never got it working.  Later they thought that installing the
>>> package version would "fix" their problem.  But the existence of their
>>> manually created symlinks prevented the package's alternatives from
>>> being able to be automatically installed.  It looks to the system as
>>> if there is a manual override already in place!
>>>
>>> Here is a previous rant on the subject that I think is a good
>>> introduction to using the Debian alternatives system.
>>>
>>>   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/08/msg02808.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>> Thanks - now onto symlinking. Do I have to do this with Konqueror, 
>>>> Galeon, and Opera as well as Iceweasel?
>>>>     
>>>
>>> It should be completely automatic.  Assuming the 'auto' designation.
>>> You can adjust these using update-alternatives.  Try these:
>>>
>>>   update-alternatives --display mozilla-javaplugin.so
>>>
>>>   update-alternatives --auto mozilla-javaplugin.so
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Thanks Bob
>>>   
>>
>> That was a useful overview to alternatives: I wasn't aware of that, 
>> and how (seemingly) prevalent it is with Debian. Wouldn't you guess 
>> it ... yep, when I run I am showing manual. I've corrected that now 
>> to auto.
>>
>> I also note from Jeff's post that the site I was using to test this 
>> with threw up the same response to his testing, so that increases the 
>> likelihood of it being a site issue.
>>
>> Unless I come across this issue again, for now I'll say that this is 
>> resolved.
>>
>> Thanks all for your helpful suggestions.
>>
>> A
>>

> Update

>

> Actually, after setting this to auto, I have found another site that 
> is asking to install a java plugin. Here is the output of sudo 
> update-alternatives --display mozilla-javaplugin.so

>

> mozilla-javaplugin.so - status is auto.
> link currently points to 
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so - 
> priority 63
> Current `best' version is 
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so.

>

> Now I am really confused. Is it best to set it manually or automatically?

>

> A

>
Please disregard this - now sorted.

A

-- 

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"



Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:31:24 +0200
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Enabling SFTP under Debian 4.0r0
Message-ID: <20070707193124.GA5774@localhost>
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On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 11:49:28 -0500, ArcticFox wrote:

> On Jul 7, 2007, at 6:50 AM, Florian Kulzer wrote:


[...]

>> I agree with Kent that it is better not to allow remote root logins.
>

> Unless you guys have a suggestion that'll let me run root commands as a 
> normal user I kinda have to. Trying to sudo get me the message 'Fox is not 
> in the sudoers file, this incident will be reported.'


You can either add fox to the sudoers file (using "visudo") or you can
use "su" to become root after you have logged in as fox.

>> It would be nice to have more debugging output from the client. Try to
>> run this on the Apple box:
>>
>> sftp -v username@host

[...]


> Here's what it spit out:

>

> Last login: Sat Jul  7 11:38:30 on console
> Welcome to Darwin!
> genkos-Computer:~ genko$ sftp -v fox@10.0.0.150
> Connecting to 10.0.0.150...
> OpenSSH_4.5p1, OpenSSL 0.9.7l 28 Sep 2006


[...]


> debug1: Next authentication method: password
> fox@10.0.0.150's password:
> debug1: Authentication succeeded (password).
> debug1: channel 0: new [client-session]
> debug1: Entering interactive session.
> debug1: Sending subsystem: sftp
> Request for subsystem 'sftp' failed on channel 0
> Connection closed


OK, it fails for a normal user as well. I agree with Bob Proulx that we
really need to see your /etc/ssh/sshd_config now. At the very least I
would like to have a look at the output of:

grep sftp /etc/ssh/sshd_config

N="$(awk '/sftp/{print $3}' /etc/ssh/sshd_config)"; file "$N"; ls -l "$N"

dpkg -l {l,opens}sh-server | awk '/^[^D|+]/{print $1,$2,$3}'

(All three commands should be run on the Debian server.)

-- 
Regards,            | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |


Do you need more help?X

Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:52:34 +0100
From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to check if a DVD is damaged?
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On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:46:27 +0000
"Manon Metten" <manon.metten@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Manon,


> Then for months I checked all data on CD after making a backup, but I
> didn't encounter
> a single error anymore. I stick to Verbatim only for backup.


When backing up to CD, my preference is to make two copies.  On disks
from two different (but high quality) companies.  That way, I hope I
greatly reduce the risk of suffering problems from a bad batch of disks.

At least one of those disks is kept off site, too;  It's pointless
having backups next to a computer that gets burnt in a fire.

--=20
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"

Walking through town is quite scary
I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs

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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 22:14:44 +0200
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Errors Upgrading to Latest 'sarge'
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On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 16:13:15 -0700, Aikins, Ronald (Ron) (CIV) wrote:

> I'm currently running 'sarge' & am trying to upgrade to the latest in
> sarge before upgrading to 'etch'. The problems I'm having doing this
> make me reluctant to try & jump straight to etch before I get this
> install worked out.

>

> One thing that may have gotten my dependencies in a twist is that some
> months ago I updated only libc6 in order to get the timezone updates for
> the new DST settings. I've since read things saying that it's not a good
> idea to upgrade the 'libs' pkgs separately. Who knew? It's also possible
> - I forget the exact date when I did this - that I had sources.list
> pointing to 'stable' & Etch was already out.


The problem seems to be that you installed "tzdata" which is not in
Sarge. Normally this should never happen, because of the same file
conflict that troubles you now. Did you mess around with "dpkg
--force-..." in the past?


> My most recent attempts are documented below. However, I really don't
> get the convoluted dependencies. For instance, the line:
> "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5
> is installed"
> 
> This means the pkg libc6-dev needs the "-sarge6" version of libc6, but
> the "-sarge5" version is installed, right? But installing the newer
> version of libc6 is what I'm trying to do. Is it only the conflict with
> timezone folders?


Yes, that is the primary problem since it prevents you from installing
the "-sarge6" version of libc6. This breaks libc6-dev and locales.

[...]


> Do I need to remove a package - libc6 or tzdata - to get past this? I
> don't get what's hanging it up. I may have hosed things But... I don't
> get how, why, or what to do about it :-(


Get rid of tzdata and tell apt to fix your system:

dpkg --purge tzdata

apt-get install -f

(If you accidentally upgraded util-linux to the Etch version then you
 have to downgrade it again before you can remove tzdata.)

-- 
Regards,            | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |



Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:47:55 -0400
From: Matthew K Poer <matthewpoer@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Madwifi drivers on floppy, howto.
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On Saturday 07 July 2007 3:27 pm, J. Santos wrote:

> Hi everyone.

>

> How do i create a floppy with the madwifi driver so ecth can recognize
> my atheros based  wifi card at install time?
> I have been googleing but cant find anything relevant.

>

> Thank you.


Well, it looks like you would need to download the deb file packages for=20
madwifi-source[0] and madwifi-tools[1].

Then there is this article on installing MadWifi the Debian way[2].

Unfortunantly, the madwifi-source package is 3421 KBytes. This means it wil=
l=20
not fit on a floppy. A usb storage device or CD-ROM would work, though.=20

[0] http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/madwifi-source
[1] http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/madwifi-tools
[2] http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi

I hope that helps!

=2D-=20
Matthew K Poer <matthewpoer@gmail.com>
Location: GA, USA              Web: http://matthewpoer.freehostia.com
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:46:06 +0000
From: "Manon Metten" <manon.metten@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to check if a DVD is damaged?
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Hi Brad,

On 7/7/07, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:

When backing up to CD, my preference is to make two copies.  On disks

> from two different (but high quality) companies.  That way, I hope I
> greatly reduce the risk of suffering problems from a bad batch of disks.

>

> At least one of those disks is kept off site, too;  It's pointless
> having backups next to a computer that gets burnt in a fire.




Right. You could also consider using GSpace. That's what I do with some
data I really don't wanna lose. I encrypt it with GPG and just upload it to
my gmail account. ATM it has a capacity of 2,8 GB per account. And you
can have as many gmail accounts as you want.

Just open a gmail account (gmail.google.com) and install the GSpace plug-in
for Iceweasel. Then you can upload files to your account just as easily as
copying files on your HD.

Manon.

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Hi Brad,<br><br>On 7/7/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Brad Rogers</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:brad@fineby.me.uk">brad@fineby.me.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
When backing up to CD, my preference is to make two copies.&nbsp;&nbsp;On disks<br>from two different (but high quality) companies.&nbsp;&nbsp;That way, I hope I<br>greatly reduce the risk of suffering problems from a bad batch of disks.<br>
<br>At least one of those disks is kept off site, too;&nbsp;&nbsp;It&#39;s pointless<br>having backups next to a computer that gets burnt in a fire.</blockquote><div><br><br>Right. You could also consider using GSpace. That&#39;s what I do with some
<br>data I really don&#39;t wanna lose. I encrypt it with GPG and just upload it to<br>my gmail account. ATM it has a capacity of 2,8 GB per account. And you<br>can have as many gmail accounts as you want.<br><br>Just open a gmail account (
<a href="http://gmail.google.com">gmail.google.com</a>) and install the GSpace plug-in<br>for Iceweasel. Then you can upload files to your account just as easily as<br>copying files on your HD.<br><br>Manon.<br><br></div>
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