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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2041

Today's Topics:

  Re: how to restore bios password (PH  [ "Jabka Atu" 
  Need newer software that included wi  [ "Tim Hull" <thully@umich.edu> ]
  Re: Need newer software that include  [ Jonathan Kaye <jdkaye10@yahoo.es> ]

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:11:29 +0200
From: "Jabka Atu" <mashrom.head@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to restore bios password (PHEONIX on acer 5102)

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Hmm ,..

getting into to the bios to change boot sequence for example ?. for now it can boot from the cd and harddrive but what i will need to boot from the usb...

about the warrenty i put it back to the lab and again they sent it to their main laptop "care" center .

Do you need help?X

this time for the first time from 10 calls i made to custumer service someone call me back.

me: my laptop is in 5th time in your laboratory.

      when it was returned back to me few parts are missing and you locked my bios!.
ofer (laboratory man):don't know what youre talking about we would not put it there (bios pass).
me:don'o when i sent it there was no pass and there is one. him:we would do it.
bla bla bla the we will check ..

i guess i should sew: ACER local representive Newpan (the laboratory) BUG Multisystem the reseller.

i need the warrenty if for some reason i will need to repair stuff : what was changed for now :

1.hdd
2.lcd module.
3.Plastic Case
4.Cooler module (the fan).

On 7/26/07, Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com> wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > Jabka Atu wrote:
> > > but the issue is that afaik if i open the laptop i will lose my
> warrenty.
> >
> > ... they have effectively stolen your laptop from you by locking
> > you out of its BIOS ...
>
> Agreed. I have never heard of a vendor laptop or otherwise setting a
> bios password and claiming that removing it would void the warranty.
> I consider that completely unreasonable terms. I would refuse those
> conditions and return the unit.
>
> Other than simply being prepared for the future what functions to you
> need to modify in the bios? I am assuming that the laptop is booting
> at the moment?
>
> Bob
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:33:12 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: why do iceweasel et al have more frequent security issues? Message-ID: <20070727163312.GN31753@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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we're getting off track of my original point and rather than continue this festival of delights ;) I am going restate my original statement and attempt to demonstrate one more time what I meant originally. And then I'll be done. I'm sure you will either accept what I've said or counter it, but either way, I'll leave it at that. If we end up disagreeing, so be it, I'll agree to that ;). Fair enough?

Your original statement with which I take issue:

>>>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 10:52:07PM +0200, Erik Persson wrote:
>>>>> Anyhow, the basic fact that there is fewer security alerts in Konq=20
>>>>> makes this a more secure browser, whether this maybe is because only =
of=20
>>>>> a smaller user base or not.

this statement is very clear:=20

assume: the browser with greater # sec. holes is less secure which I think we all generally accept.

  statement: #konq-sec-alerts < #ff-sec-alerts therefore #konq-sec-holes < = #ff-sec-holes

Can we help you?X

Your original statement does not say "likely" to be more secure or "should" be more secure or any other measured statement. You have asserted this as a certainty. This is akin to stating:

  statement: #bass-caught < #trout-caught therefore #bass < #trout

this is clearly not necessarily true. It _might_ be true. It is even highly likely to be true. And if the sample size is large enough we could even say that it has a vanishingly small chance of _not_ being true. But, based on the information we have, it cannot be proven one way or=  the
other. If we were to drain the lake and count all the fish, we could know whether this was true. Likewise, if we were omniscient and could count _all_ the security flaws in a browser, we would know whether this is true. But we can't do that. We can only make assumptions, or statements as to what is likely. We can go so far as to apply numbers to the likely-hood. This statement of certainty you have made is not logica= l.=20

That really was my only point. In subsequent mails, you have changed your statement to use words like "might" or "should" or "likely". All of these things I generally agree with.=20

If you had originally said something like:

Anyhow, the basic fact that there is fewer security alerts in konq {makes it likely to be a more secure browser,makes it reasonable to assume = its
more secure,implies that its more secure}...=20

Then I would have never replied to the message at all, because I would agree. But you said the lower number of reported security flaws makes it a more secure browser with no conditions. Its really a petty and pedantic point on my part and was probably better left unsaid, but there it is.=20

Everything else i have said was based on the idea of pointing out that what you said in the original statement, stated by you as a "certainty", is not necessarily the case. My woefully bad car analogy and contructed konq v. ff security holes example were only intended to point out how your statement of certainty was not valid. The implied assumption, which is what I think you were intending to state, is perfectly valid. It is not however, as I've pointed out, the only possible scenario, which is what your original statement claimed.

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that is all. my best regards

A

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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:36:36 -0700
From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk@queernet.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: why do iceweasel et al have more frequent security issues?

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And, obviously, if security is your only standard, my pet schnauzer is a better browser than either of these. Functionality must come into play as well.

Don't know where to look next?X

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:42:49 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: libcbtsysinfo in /home/user Message-ID: <20070727164249.GO31753@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 04:43:28PM +0200, Magnus Pedersen wrote:
> I have a new dir in /home/magnus, /home/magnus/cbt and I have not put it=
=20
> there. It contains cbt/lib/libcbtsysinfo_0.so and google draws a blank on=
=20
> that filename. Has my system been compromised (theres is nothing out of t=
he=20
> ordinary anywhere else) or is there something I have missed?

I run google with the "cbtsysinfo" and came up with this:

http://spywarefiles.prevx.com/RRHGED043236257/CBTSYSINFO-0.DLL.html

which while its obviously for windows, show the same storage path ($HOME/cbt/lib/). It looks to be a very new thing, so if it is some sort of malware and is so new (July 12) then perhaps it does exist for multiple platforms and just hasn't been reported yet...

Confused? Frustrated?X

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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:30:28 -0400
From: Mitchell Laks <mlaks@post.harvard.edu> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: laptop sid upgrade. network works till startx then get agpgart kernel error and no network connectivity

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Hi,
I enjoy playing with sid :)

I just updated to the latest sid on my Averatec Laptop 3250 running amd processor

Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

which worked fine before. Now when I boot all is fine, i can surf web using lynx if i stay in console mode. Then when i startx (i have tried it with kde, gnome, xfce4-session session managers) and immediately I get kernel errors and then i no longer can use the network. I am connected by ethernet cable to my local network via eth0 ....

Here are two examples of the the tail of dmesg for two different kernels:

(only stuff that happens after the startx is invoked) :

here is dmesg using kernel 2.6.17-2-k7

dmesg|tail


Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de). NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
[drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 9 PCI: setting IRQ 9 as level-triggered
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 9 (level, low) -> IRQ 9
[drm] Initialized via 2.11.1 20070202 on minor 0 agpgart: Found an AGP 3.5 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. agpgart: BIOS bug. AGP bridge claims to only support x4 rateFixing up support for x2 & x1

agpgart: Device is in legacy mode, falling back to 2.x
agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode
agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode
irq 11: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)  [<c014da62>] __report_bad_irq+0x36/0x75    [<c014dc5a>] note_interrupt+0x1b9/0x1f7
      [] handle_IRQ_event+0x23/0x51
Do you need help?X
[] handle_level_irq+0x94/0xc5 [] do_IRQ+0x57/0x71 [] common_interrupt+0x23/0x28 [] __do_softirq+0x56/0xd3 [] do_softirq+0x45/0x53 [] irq_exit+0x38/0x6b [] do_IRQ+0x5c/0x71 [] common_interrupt+0x23/0x28 ======================= handlers: [] (rhine_interrupt+0x0/0x654 [via_rhine]) Disabling IRQ #11 NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out eth0: Transmit timed out, status
0003, PHY status 786d,
resetting...
eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out eth0: Transmit timed out, status 0003, PHY status 786d, resetting... eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out eth0: Transmit timed out, status 0003, PHY status 786d,

and here is what is related to that before! i run the startx mlaks@AvneiNeizer:~$ dmesg|grep -i irq

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 4 *11 14 15)
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 5 9 14 15) *0, disabled.
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs *10 12)
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 6 7) *0, disabled.
PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing
PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 10 PCI: setting IRQ 10 as level-triggered
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0a.0[A] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10
Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K,PNP0f13:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12
serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
serio: i8042 AUX0 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
serio: i8042 AUX1 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
serio: i8042 AUX2 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
serio: i8042 AUX3 port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 7 PCI: setting IRQ 7 as level-triggered
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.0[A] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7
PCI: VIA VLink IRQ fixup for 0000:00:10.0, from 0 to 7 uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.0: irq 7, io base 0x0000e400 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.1[B] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7
PCI: VIA VLink IRQ fixup for 0000:00:10.1, from 0 to 7 uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: irq 7, io base 0x0000e800 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.2[C] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7
PCI: VIA VLink IRQ fixup for 0000:00:10.2, from 0 to 7 uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.2: irq 7, io base 0x0000ec00 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:10.3[D] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7
PCI: VIA VLink IRQ fixup for 0000:00:10.3, from 0 to 7 ehci_hcd 0000:00:10.3: irq 7, io mem 0xdfffdf00 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] enabled at IRQ 11 PCI: setting IRQ 11 as level-triggered
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:12.0[A] -> Link [LNKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x1d800, 00:40:45:25:61:68, IRQ 11. ACPI: Unable to derive IRQ for device 0000:00:11.1 VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
de1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0038, PCI irq 10
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:11.6[C] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:11.5[C] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

I have tried booting with irqpoll option, no good, i have tried noapic, no good.

Do you need more help?X

here is the output using debian stock kernel 2.6.22-1-k7

[drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 9 PCI: setting IRQ 9 as level-triggered
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 9 (level, low) -> IRQ 9
[drm] Initialized via 2.11.1 20070202 on minor 0 agpgart: Found an AGP 3.5 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. agpgart: BIOS bug. AGP bridge claims to only support x4 rateFixing up support for x2 & x1

agpgart: Device is in legacy mode, falling back to 2.x
agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode
agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode
irq 11: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)  [<c014da62>] __report_bad_irq+0x36/0x75    [<c014dc5a>] note_interrupt+0x1b9/0x1f7
      [] handle_IRQ_event+0x23/0x51
          [] handle_level_irq+0x94/0xc5
	       [] do_IRQ+0x57/0x71
	             [] common_interrupt+0x23/0x28
		            [] handle_IRQ_event+0x23/0x51
			            [] handle_IRQ_event+0x16/0x51
				             [] handle_level_irq+0x80/0xc5
					               [] do_IRQ+0x57/0x71

[<c010476b>] common_interrupt+0x23/0x28
 [<c01274dd>] __do_softirq+0x56/0xd3
 [<c012759f>] do_softirq+0x45/0x53

      [] irq_exit+0x38/0x6b
				                      [] do_IRQ+0x5c/0x71
Can we help you?X
[] common_interrupt+0x23/0x28 ======================= handlers: []

(rhine_interrupt+0x0/0x654 [via_rhine])
 Disabling IRQ #11  

  I have tried to disable agp with agp=off in /boot/grub/menu.lst but   this did not help..      

  any ideas what i can do?   

  mitchell      

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:45:13 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: to netatalk+samba+nfs or not Message-ID: <20070727164513.GP31753@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 02:59:05PM +0200, Martin Marcher wrote:
>=20
> I know that samba+mac does work (to some extent) but I'm thinking
> about adding netatalk so that mac users have a more native feeling
> with all this (automagic share exploration, etc). My worries are
> wether locking issues could occur. samba+nfs is working seamlessly
> (nfs opened files are locked and samba das know about that) but does
> afp also honor kernel oplocks, especially with this combination?

can't answer your question directly, but doesn't apple support nfs?

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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:49:22 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: why do iceweasel et al have more frequent security issues? Message-ID: <20070727164922.GQ31753@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 09:36:36AM -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
> And, obviously, if security is your only standard, my pet schnauzer is a=
=20

can the dog block popups?=20

apt-get install schnauzer
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package schnauzer

A

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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:26:31 -0400
From: "Tim Hull" <thully@umich.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Need newer software that included with stable (that isn't at backports.org) Message-ID: <9a7c669e0707271026y1d4e7c8ek991dd87f8a64d4e3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

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I'm currently trying out both Debian and Ubuntu on my MacBook to see which one I prefer.
Right now, I'm currently liking Debian better - the stability seems better, and it seems easier to customize
- but I need to run software that's newer than what's in etch (not for a lust for bleeding-edge, but simply for the reason that my MacBook won't suspend or do proper power management in any kernel older than 2.6.22). I also want to be
able to get updated packages such as the newest Firefox...er..Iceweasel (still hate that name, would prefer something less silly).

Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

I know the easy Debian solution is to run testing/unstable - it seems like most people do. However, then you lose the advantage of stability. I actually tried testing and unstable, but found a critical bug pertaining to my video card - my system likes to reboot on suspend with the new Xorg drivers (yes, dutifully reported it to BTS). For this reason, I figure I'll confine Lenny/Sid to a VM or chroot, and I've been looking into backports. However, backports.org doesn't seem to have what I need (it only has 2.6.21 kernel, doesn't have the new acpi-support, not to mention some extra gstreamer plugins I wanted). What would be the ideal solution for me? Is there a reliable way to roll my own backports using apt to pull in dependencies? Can I build from Sid sources on an as-needed basis? I've come across a tool called "apt-build" which pulls down dependencies and builds from source - is it what I need? What should I put in my sources.list ?

On a side note, I will say that the one area I think FOSS lags behind Windows and Mac is in updating individual system components. I LIKE being able to update a few things without hackish solutions (i.e. build from source tarballs) or updating my whole system. You can do it easily on Mac/Windows, but it's quite difficult and unreliable on nearly every distribution. I think Debian really ought to look into making backports an official project and integrating it into the stable release as a way to get updates on an as-needed basis. It may even be an interesting idea to do point releases of stable with some backports included. Has this ever been discussed? It seems a lot better than simply speeding up the release cycle...

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I'm currently trying out both Debian and Ubuntu on my MacBook to see which one I prefer.
Right now, I'm currently liking Debian better - the stability seems better, and it seems easier to customize
- but I need to run software that's newer than what's in etch (not for a lust for bleeding-edge, but simply for the reason
that my MacBook won't suspend or do proper power management in any kernel older than 2.6.22).  I also want to be
able to get updated packages such as the newest Firefox...er..Iceweasel (still hate that name, would prefer something
less silly).
 
I know the easy Debian solution is to run testing/unstable - it seems like most people do.  However, then you lose the advantage of
<div>stability.&nbsp; I actually tried testing and unstable, but found a critical bug pertaining to my video card - my system likes to reboot on suspend with the new Xorg drivers (yes, dutifully reported it to BTS).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;For this reason,&nbsp;I figure I&#39;ll confine Lenny/Sid to a VM or chroot, and I&#39;ve&nbsp;been looking into backports.&nbsp; However, <a href="http://backports.org">backports.org</a> doesn&#39;t seem to have what I need (it only has 2.6.21 kernel, doesn&#39;t have the new acpi-support, not to mention some extra gstreamer plugins I wanted).&nbsp;&nbsp; What would be the ideal solution for me?&nbsp; Is there a reliable way to roll my own backports using apt to pull in dependencies?&nbsp; Can I build from Sid sources on an as-needed basis?&nbsp; I&#39;ve come across a tool called &quot;apt-build&quot; which pulls down dependencies and builds from source - is it what I need? What should I put in my sources.list?</div>
 
On a side note, I will say that the one area I think FOSS lags behind Windows and Mac is in updating individual system components.  I LIKE being able to update a few things without hackish solutions (i.e. build from source tarballs) or updating my whole system.  You can do it easily on Mac/Windows, but it's quite difficult and unreliable on nearly every distribution.  I think Debian really ought to look into making backports an official project and integrating it into the stable release as a way to get updates on an as-needed basis.   It may even be an interesting idea to do point releases of stable with some backports included.  Has this ever been discussed?  It seems a lot better than simply speeding up the release cycle...
Do you need help?X

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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:39:17 +0200
From: Jonathan Kaye <jdkaye10@yahoo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Need newer software that included with stable (that isn't at backports.org)

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Tim Hull wrote:

> I'm currently trying out both Debian and Ubuntu on my MacBook to see which
> one I prefer.
> Right now, I'm currently liking Debian better - the stability seems
> better, and it seems easier to customize
> - but I need to run software that's newer than what's in etch (not for a
> lust for bleeding-edge, but simply for the reason
> that my MacBook won't suspend or do proper power management in any kernel
> older than 2.6.22). I also want to be
> able to get updated packages such as the newest Firefox...er..Iceweasel
> (still hate that name, would prefer something
> less silly).
>
> I know the easy Debian solution is to run testing/unstable - it seems like
> most people do. However, then you lose the advantage of
> stability. I actually tried testing and unstable, but found a critical
> bug pertaining to my video card - my system likes to reboot on suspend
> with the
> new Xorg drivers (yes, dutifully reported it to BTS). For this reason, I
> figure I'll confine Lenny/Sid to a VM or chroot, and I've been looking
> into
> backports. However, backports.org doesn't seem to have what I need (it
> only has 2.6.21 kernel, doesn't have the new acpi-support, not to mention
> some
> extra gstreamer plugins I wanted). What would be the ideal solution for
> me? Is there a reliable way to roll my own backports using apt to pull in
> dependencies? Can I build from Sid sources on an as-needed basis? I've
> come across a tool called "apt-build" which pulls down dependencies and
> builds from source - is it what I need? What should I put in my
> sources.list ?
>
> On a side note, I will say that the one area I think FOSS lags behind
> Windows and Mac is in updating individual system components. I LIKE being
> able to update a few things without hackish solutions (i.e. build from
> source tarballs) or updating my whole system. You can do it easily on
> Mac/Windows, but it's quite difficult and unreliable on nearly every
> distribution. I think Debian really ought to look into making backports
> an official project and integrating it into the stable release as a way to
> get
> updates on an as-needed basis. It may even be an interesting idea to do
> point releases of stable with some backports included. Has this ever been
> discussed? It seems a lot better than simply speeding up the release
> cycle...

Hi Tim,
Have you looked at apt-pinning? I think this gives you exactly what you're looking for. I personally don't find using testing loses me any stability but that's just my opinion. There's a simple introduction to apt-pinning that you can find here:
http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html This may do the trick for you.
Cheers,
Jonathan

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