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debian-user-digest Digest V2007 #2048
From: <debian-user-digest-request(at)lists.debian.org>
Date: Sat Jul 28 2007 - 10:48:41 EDT
debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2048
Today's Topics:
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:26:16 +0100
Message-Id: <1185632776.12663.5.camel@ratty.phy.umist.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 14:47 +0100, Wackojacko wrote: > michael wrote: > > Folks, I've a new machine > > Its likely that the machine has more bearing on this problem than the > CDROM itself. We need more information regarding the Motherboard and in > particular the IDE or SATA chip the drive is connected to. Okay, there's more info below > > with a "writemaster" CDROM drive. When trying > > to install Debian 4.0 from iso image burnt to CD, it initially > > recognises the CD and starts the installation but fails at the screen > > where the CD drive is to be recognised (for continuing the > > installation). I've tried various module/device combos but all to no > > avail. I've looked about on Google but not come up with a working > > solution. > > > > Has anybody else successfully uses this CDROM drive to install Debian, > > or have suggestions on how I can determine a working module/device > > combo. Please let me know if you need any further information. > > Have you tried to boot a live CD like Knoppix or Ubuntu? If this boots > OK the output of > > lspci -vv > lsmod > > would help identify the correct modules to load. > > I've not had the opportunity to boot from a live CD but it came with Fedora installed so here's output of those commands plus stuff about CDROM from the fedora boot/dmesg:
Script started on Sat 28 Jul 2007 04:20:34 PM BST
]0;chris@veri:~[?1034h[chris@veri ~]$ su
Password:
Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 00:03.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 82Q963/Q965 HECI Controller (rev 02) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 0001 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Contoller #4 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 2008 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- - SERR- FastB2B-
Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort-
0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=0 Memory behind bridge: e0400000-e04fffff Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- - SERR- FastB2B-
Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort-
0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=0 I/O behind bridge: 00001000-00001fff Memory behind bridge: e0100000-e01fffff Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- - SERR- FastB2B-
Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort-
0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes Bus: primary=00, secondary=03, subordinate=03, sec-latency=0 Memory behind bridge: e0500000-e05fffff Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- - SERR- FastB2B-
Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort-
0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes Bus: primary=00, secondary=04, subordinate=04, sec-latency=0 Memory behind bridge: e0600000-e06fffff Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- - SERR- FastB2B-
Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort-
0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes Bus: primary=00, secondary=05, subordinate=05, sec-latency=0 Memory behind bridge: e0700000-e07fffff Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev f2) (prog-if 01 [Subtractive decode]) Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- - SERR- FastB2B-
Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort-
0 Bus: primary=00, secondary=06, subordinate=06, sec-latency=32 Memory behind bridge: e0000000-e00fffff Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HO (ICH8DO) LPC Interface Controller (rev 02) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) 4 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 8f [Master SecP SecO PriP PriO]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 00:1f.5 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) 2 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 02:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6101 single-port PATA133 interface (rev b1) (prog-if 8f [Master SecP SecO PriP PriO]) Subsystem: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6101 single-port PATA133 interface Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- - SERR- FastB2B-
Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort-
0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 17 Region 0: I/O ports at 1018 [size=8] Region 1: I/O ports at 1024 [size=4] Region 2: I/O ports at 1010 [size=8] Region 3: I/O ports at 1020 [size=4] Region 4: I/O ports at 1000 [size=16] Region 5: Memory at e0100000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512] Capabilities: [48] Power Management version 2 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1+,D2-,D3hot +,D3cold-) Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=1 PME- Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit- Queue=0/0 Enable- Address: 00000000 Data: 0000 Capabilities: [e0] Express Legacy Endpoint IRQ 0 Device: Supported: MaxPayload 128 bytes, PhantFunc 0, ExtTag- Device: Latency L0s unlimited, L1 unlimited Device: AtnBtn- AtnInd- PwrInd- Device: Errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported- Device: RlxdOrd- ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr+ NoSnoop- Device: MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes Link: Supported Speed 2.5Gb/s, Width x1, ASPM L0s, Port 0 Link: Latency L0s <256ns, L1 unlimited Link: ASPM Disabled RCB 64 bytes CommClk+ ExtSynch- Link: Speed 2.5Gb/s, Width x1 06:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4f43 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
]0;chris@veri:/home/chris[root@veri chris]# lsmod
bash: lsmod: command not found
Module Size Used by i915 35521 2 drm 105321 3 i915 autofs4 32841 2 hidp 38209 2 rfcomm 57833 0 l2cap 41025 10 hidp,rfcomm bluetooth 73541 5 hidp,rfcomm,l2cap sunrpc 191305 1 nf_conntrack_netbios_ns 11713 0 nf_conntrack_ipv4 20817 2 xt_state 11201 2 nf_conntrack 77213 3 nf_conntrack_netbios_ns,nf_conntrack_ipv4,xt_state nfnetlink 15113 2 nf_conntrack_ipv4,nf_conntrack ipt_REJECT 13505 2 iptable_filter 11713 1 ip_tables 29097 1 iptable_filter xt_tcpudp 12097 10 ip6t_REJECT 14529 2 ip6table_filter 11585 1 ip6_tables 23305 1 ip6table_filter x_tables 29000 6 xt_state,ipt_REJECT,ip_tables,xt_tcpudp,ip6t_REJECT,ip6_tables cpufreq_ondemand 17489 2 acpi_cpufreq 19785 0 dm_multipath 28241 0 video 28113 0 sbs 28753 0 button 17633 0 dock 19753 0 battery 19657 0 ac 14537 0 ipv6 341673 29 ip6t_REJECT lp 22801 0 loop 27973 0 snd_hda_intel 316385 1 snd_seq_dummy 12613 0 snd_seq_oss 40897 0 snd_seq_midi_event 16576 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq 63201 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq_device 17109 3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq snd_pcm_oss 52673 0 snd_mixer_oss 25537 1 snd_pcm_oss serio_raw 16069 0 i2c_i801 17757 0 snd_pcm 93257 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss parport_pc 39273 1 shpchp 42845 0 parport 48973 2 lp,parport_pc firewire_ohci 26817 0 snd_timer 32585 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm firewire_core 53889 1 firewire_ohci crc_itu_t 10817 1 firewire_core snd 71785 10 snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 17249 1 snd e1000 133121 0 floppy 71849 0 iTCO_wdt 20625 0 iTCO_vendor_support 12741 1 iTCO_wdt snd_page_alloc 19025 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm i2c_core 35777 1 i2c_i801 rtc_cmos 17017 0 sr_mod 26853 0 cdrom 44009 1 sr_mod sg 45673 0 dm_snapshot 25609 0 dm_zero 10817 0 dm_mirror 30785 0 dm_mod 68785 9 dm_multipath,dm_snapshot,dm_zero,dm_mirror pata_marvell 16449 0 ata_piix 25413 3 ata_generic 17221 0 libata 137201 3 pata_marvell,ata_piix,ata_generic sd_mod 37441 5 scsi_mod 168697 4 sr_mod,sg,libata,sd_mod ext3 141905 2 jbd 73009 1 ext3 mbcache 18249 1 ext3 ehci_hcd 42957 0 ohci_hcd 30405 0 uhci_hcd 34401 0 ]0;chris@veri:/home/chris[root@veri chris]# dmesg|grep dev Command line: ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet Kernel command line: ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet pnp: PnP ACPI: found 13 devices usbcore: registered new device driver usb PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.0 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.1 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.2 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.3 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.4 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1e.0 to 64Boot video device is 0000:00:02.0 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.0 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.1 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.2 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.3 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1c.4 to 64mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice usbcore: registered new interface driver hiddev drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0) PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1a.0 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1a.1 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.0 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.1 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.2 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1a.7 to 64 PCI: cache line size of 32 is not supported by device 0000:00:1a.7usb 4-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.7 to 64 PCI: cache line size of 32 is not supported by device 0000:00:1d.7 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.2 to 64usb 4-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.5 to 64 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:02:00.0 to 64 device-mapper: ioctl: 4.11.0-ioctl (2006-10-12) initialised: dm-devel@redhat.com SELinux: initialized (dev dm-0, type ext3), uses xattr SELinux: initialized (dev usbfs, type usbfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev debugfs, type debugfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev selinuxfs, type selinuxfs), usesgenfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev mqueue, type mqueue), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev hugetlbfs, type hugetlbfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev devpts, type devpts), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev inotifyfs, type inotifyfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev futexfs, type futexfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev anon_inodefs, type anon_inodefs), notconfigured for labeling SELinux: initialized (dev pipefs, type pipefs), uses task SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev sockfs, type sockfs), uses task SIDs SELinux: initialized (dev cpuset, type cpuset), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev proc, type proc), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev bdev, type bdev), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev rootfs, type rootfs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev sysfs, type sysfs), uses genfs_contextsiTCO_wdt: Found a ICH8DO TCO device (Version=2, TCOBASE=0x0460) PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:19.0 to 64 firewire_ohci: Added fw-ohci device 0000:06:03.0, OHCI version 1.10 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1b.0 to 64 firewire_core: created new fw device fw0 (0 config rom retries) SELinux: initialized (dev ramfs, type ramfs), uses genfs_contexts No dock devices found. device-mapper: multipath: version 1.0.5 loaded SELinux: initialized (dev sda1, type ext3), uses xattr SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs Adding 2031608k swap on /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:2031608k SELinux: initialized (dev binfmt_misc, type binfmt_misc), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev rpc_pipefs, type rpc_pipefs), uses genfs_contexts Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized SELinux: initialized (dev autofs, type autofs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev autofs, type autofs), uses genfs_contexts SELinux: initialized (dev autofs, type autofs), uses genfs_contexts
]0;chris@veri:/home/chris[root@veri chris]# mount
/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 on / type ext3 (rw)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
/dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)sunrpc on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) /dev/scd0 on /media/Debian 4.0 r0 i386 Bin-1 type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=500) ]0;chris@veri:/home/chris[root@veri chris]# exit ]0;chris@veri:~[chris@veri ~]$ emacs -nw[K[K[K[1@w[1@h[1@i[1@c[1@h[1@ Script done on Sat 28 Jul 2007 04:24:12 PM BST Michael End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2048 Received on Sat Jul 28 10:46:34 2007 This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.8 : Thu Aug 09 2007 - 19:05:33 EDT |
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