debian-user-digest Digest V2007 #2050

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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2050

Today's Topics:

  Re: DHCPD giving IP to wrong machine  [ Rob Sims  ]
  Re: 'sensible-browser'                [ Larry Evans  ]
  Re: Need newer software that include  [ "Tim Hull"  ]
  Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrob  [ Tommi Asiala  ]
  Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrob  [ "Roger B.A. Klorese"  ]
  Re: Need newer software that include  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrob  [ Tommi Asiala  ]
  Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrob  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrob  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrob  [ John Hasler  ]
  A question of fonts                   [ andy  ]

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:16:51 -0600
From: Rob Sims <deb-lists-z@robsims.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: DHCPD giving IP to wrong machine Message-ID: <20070728171651.GA14064@robsims.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 04:18:39PM -0700, Clarence W. Robison wrote: Content-Description: Mail message body
> On 26 Jul 2007 at 16:05, Clarence W. Robison wrote:

>=20

> > I have an entry in my dhcp3 dhcpd.conf which says that host xyz with
> > certain MAC address should receive a fixed ip address. The server does
> > not respect that entry and gives the IP address to another host with a
> > different MAC address. I don't quite understand why it, dhcpd, should do

> > that. Is normal behavior?
> >=20

>=20

> OPPS, the message left before I could paste snippets of the conf file.
> ------------ dhcpd.conf ---------------------------------------------- # #
> Global Options pid-file-name "/var/run/dhcpd.pid"; lease-file-name
> "/var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases"; log-facility local1; ignore client-updates;
> ddns-update-style none; option domain-name-servers XXX.XXX.XXX.3,
> XXX.XXX.XXX.223; default-lease-time 3600; max-lease-time =
=20
> 14400; authoritative; subnet XXX.XXX.XXX.0 netmask
> 255.255.255.192 { # Default Options
> option routers XXX.XXX.XXX.1;
> option subnet-mask 255.255.255.192;
> option domain-name "XXXXXXXX.XXXXXX.XXX"; =20
> option time-offset -25200; # Mountain Standard Time
> option ntp-servers XXX.XXX.XXX.3, XXX.XXX.XXX.58;
>=20
> range dynamic-bootp XXX.XXX.XXX.22 XXX.XXX.XXX.60;

Here, you tell dhcpd it's OK to hand out 22 - 60 to non-matching hosts, so it does just that. Fixed address and range assigned addresses should not overlap.

> host xxx { =20
> hardware ethernet 00:13:20:2d:31:d1;
> fixed-address XXX.XXX.XXX.22;
> }

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Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:32:27 -0500
From: Larry Evans <cppljevans@suddenlink.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: 'sensible-browser'

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On 07/28/2007 12:50 AM, M-L wrote:
> On Saturday 28 July 2007 13:57, Rick Pasotto shared this with us all:

>> --} The browser I have running all the time is seamonkey. How can I get
>> --} programs that want to use a browser open a seamonkey window instead of
>> --} firing up the gnome or kde browser?
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[snip]
>
> In KDE go into Control Panel/KDE Components/File Associations/text/html and
> select Seamonkey and place it at the top of your list. Directly beneath it
> your second choice, beneath that your third choice...... etc., etc..
>

On my desktop, toolbar, there's a "Desktop" menu which includes:

   Preferences

     ...
     Preferred Applications

 From the name of "Preferred Applications" I assumed that's what I could use to specify the default web browser. In 'Preferred Applications' there was a 'Internet' tab which had an entry from 'Web Browser' and 'Mail Reader'. The 'Web Browser' entry had 'iceweasel'. However, when, in 'icedove' I clicked on a url, the epiphany browser was used. Why wasn't the 'Preferred Applications'.'Web Browser' application used instead?

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:01:43 +0100
From: michael <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk> To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Debian4 network install woes [WAS: problems installing with

        'writemaster' CDROM]

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On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 14:47 +0100, Wackojacko wrote:
> michael wrote:
> > Folks, I've a new machine
>
> Its likely that the machine has more bearing on this problem than the
> CDROM itself. We need more information regarding the Motherboard and in
> particular the IDE or SATA chip the drive is connected to.
>
> > with a "writemaster" CDROM drive. When trying
> > to install Debian 4.0 from iso image burnt to CD, it initially
> > recognises the CD and starts the installation but fails at the screen
> > where the CD drive is to be recognised (for continuing the
> > installation). I've tried various module/device combos but all to no
> > avail. I've looked about on Google but not come up with a working
> > solution.
> >
> > Has anybody else successfully uses this CDROM drive to install Debian,
> > or have suggestions on how I can determine a working module/device
> > combo. Please let me know if you need any further information.

here's some more info (snippets from 'dmesg'): sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
ata_piix 0000:00:1f.5: MAP [ P0 P2 P1 P3 ] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.5[A] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.5 to 64 scsi2 : ata_piix
scsi3 : ata_piix
ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x0000000000012128 ctl 0x000000000001214e bmdma 0x00000000000120f0 irq 19
ata4: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x0000000000012120 ctl 0x000000000001214a bmdma 0x00000000000120f8 irq 19
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:00.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:02:00.0 to 64 scsi4 : pata_marvell
scsi5 : pata_marvell
ata5: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x0000000000011018 ctl 0x0000000000011026 bmdma 0x0000000000011000 irq 17
ata6: DUMMY
BAR5:00:00 01:7F 02:22 03:CA 04:00 05:00 06:00 07:00 08:00 09:00 0A:00 0B:00 0C:01 0D:00 0E:00 0F:00
ata5.00: ATAPI: TSSTcorpCD/DVDW SH-S182M, SB03, max UDMA/33 ata5.00: configured for UDMA/33
scsi 4:0:0:0: CD-ROM TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182M SB03 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
device-mapper: ioctl: 4.11.0-ioctl (2006-10-12) initialised: dm-devel@redhat.com
kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.

sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
scsi 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 5

sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
sr 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
rtc_cmos 00:03: rtc core: registered rtc_cmos as rtc0 rtc0: alarms up to one month
iTCO_vendor_support: vendor-support=0
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:06:03.0[A] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19

iTCO_wdt: Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver v1.01 (21-Jan-2007)
iTCO_wdt: Found a ICH8DO TCO device (Version=2, TCOBASE=0x0460)
iTCO_wdt: initialized. heartbeat=30 sec (nowayout=0)

Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - version 7.3.20-k2-NAPI Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation. ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:19.0[A] -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 20 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:19.0 to 64 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
parport_pc 00:09: reported by Plug and Play ACPI parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306

cdrom: sr0: mrw address space DMA selected ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
SELinux: initialized (dev sr0, type iso9660), uses genfs_contexts

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:03:57 +0100
From: Wackojacko <wackojacko32@ntlworld.com> To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: problems installing with 'writemaster' CDROM

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michael wrote:

<snip lspci output showing ICH8 controller>
> iTCO_wdt 20625 0
> iTCO_vendor_support 12741 1 iTCO_wdt
> snd_page_alloc 19025 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
> i2c_core 35777 1 i2c_i801
> rtc_cmos 17017 0
> sr_mod 26853 0
> cdrom 44009 1 sr_mod
> sg 45673 0
> dm_snapshot 25609 0
> dm_zero 10817 0
> dm_mirror 30785 0
> dm_mod 68785 9
> dm_multipath,dm_snapshot,dm_zero,dm_mirror
> pata_marvell 16449 0
> ata_piix 25413 3
> ata_generic 17221 0
> libata 137201 3 pata_marvell,ata_piix,ata_generic
> sd_mod 37441 5
> scsi_mod 168697 4 sr_mod,sg,libata,sd_mod
> ext3 141905 2
> jbd 73009 1 ext3
> mbcache 18249 1 ext3
> ehci_hcd 42957 0
> ohci_hcd 30405 0
> uhci_hcd 34401 0

It would appear from this, and other info in subsequent e-mails, that you need to load the 'ata_piix' module. When the install stalls do Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get to another terminal and 'modprobe ata_piix'. Apologies if you have already tried this.

There is a possibility that the etch kernel is not new enough for this MB, what kernel does fedora run on? If this is the case you may need a custom installer, google is your friend here.

HTH Wackojacko

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:10:17 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Need newer software that included with stable (that isn't at  backports.org)

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On 07/28/07 11:00, Tim Hull wrote:
[snip]
>
> One argument that bothers me a bit is stating that all deficiencies are "the
> price you pay for freedom" and recommending one go back to their former OS
> if they can't handle it. This is the reason Linux isn't doing as well on the
> desktop as it could. I must emphasize that I have no intention on leeching
> off the community - if that was the case, I'd just go back to OS X. My post
> was basically asking how to do a proper "Debian way" backport from sid
> source - which seems possible, given that backports.org makes plenty of
> them.
>
> While I did point this out as a deficiency in Debian (and Linux in general),
> I'm also open to helping fixing this. I was intending on submitting any
> backports I did to backports.org, as well as possibly getting involved in
> Debian development in other ways. I also reported all the bugs I found in
> lenny/sid in the Debian BTS, and was planning on keeping a chroot/VM of sid
> around to keep testing it. Now, however, I can't help but wonder if some
> other Linux distribution may be more receptive than Debian.

Ubuntu (and Fedora and possibly SuSE) releases on a 6 month schedule for that very reason.

> This is a
> problem which needs to be fixed - no other OS makes you update the whole
> system or go through arcane source compilation to update a single component.

Neither do Testing or Sid.

ISTM, though, that you are missing the point of Stable.

http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable

    No new functionality is added to the stable release. Once     a Debian version is released and tagged `stable' it will     only get security updates. That is, only packages for which     a security vulnerability has been found after the release     will be upgraded. All the security updates are served through     security.debian.org.

    Security updates serve one purpose: to supply a fix for a     security vulnerability. They are not a method for sneaking     additional changes into the stable release without going through     normal point release procedure. Consequently, fixes for packages     with security issues will not upgrade the software. The Debian     Security Team will backport the necessary fixes to the version     of the software distributed in `stable' instead.

This is how the people who make Debian want it to be. Ubuntu, Fedora/RH or SUSE may be better suited to you.

• -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:28:51 -0700
From: "Tim Hull" <thully@umich.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Need newer software that included with stable (that isn't at backports.org) Message-ID: <9a7c669e0707281028v6e60a3f6wcb5f8f5a24dd9249@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

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>
>

> ISTM, though, that you are missing the point of Stable.

>

> http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable

>

>     No new functionality is added to the stable release. Once
>     a Debian version is released and tagged `stable' it will
>     only get security updates. That is, only packages for which
>     a security vulnerability has been found after the release
>     will be upgraded. All the security updates are served through
>     security.debian.org.

>

>     Security updates serve one purpose: to supply a fix for a
>     security vulnerability. They are not a method for sneaking
>     additional changes into the stable release without going through
>     normal point release procedure. Consequently, fixes for packages
>     with security issues will not upgrade the software. The Debian
>     Security Team will backport the necessary fixes to the version
>     of the software distributed in `stable' instead.

>

> This is how the people who make Debian want it to be. Ubuntu,
> Fedora/RH or SUSE may be better suited to you.

>

> - --
> Ron Johnson, Jr.
> Jefferson LA USA

>
> I understand the point of Debian stable - and I understand why most other
distros (beside RHEL and the other "enterprise" distros) use a 4-6 month cycle. However, I don't see why this much be mutually exclusionary with pulling selected updates down on an "as-needed" basis. On Windows and OS X, one can easily update, say, OpenOffice.org or Firefox without updating the whole system.
On Linux distributions, however, you either have to wait for the next distro release (whether that be 4 months or 12 months) or use hackish solutions only a Gentoo user could love. Of course, I could just use OS X (or Windows) but that's not the point - I like the tweakability/freedom of Linux, but I just want to be able to update, for instance, my kernel or ACPI packages separate from my glibc and Xorg without leaving the realm of the package system.
In any case, this is probably best reserved for the -devel list, as it has gone outside the scope of my main question (how to make backports) and into the realm of release cycles etc.

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<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>ISTM, though, that you are missing the point of Stable.<br><br><a href="http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ"> http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ</a>/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No new functionality is added to the stable release. Once<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;a Debian version is released and tagged `stable&#39; it will<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;only get security updates. That is, only packages for which

    a security vulnerability has been found after the release
    will be upgraded. All the security updates are served through
    
security.debian.org.

    Security updates serve one purpose: to supply a fix for a

    security vulnerability. They are not a method for sneaking
    additional changes into the stable release without going through
    normal point release procedure. Consequently, fixes for packages
    with security issues will not upgrade the software. The Debian

    Security Team will backport the necessary fixes to the version
    of the software distributed in `stable' instead.

This is how the people who make Debian want it to be.  Ubuntu,
Fedora/RH or SUSE may be better suited to you.
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- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

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