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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2051

Today's Topics: 

  Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrob  [ "Michael Fothergill"  ]
  Re: Need newer software that include  [ Joe  ]
  Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrob  [ Tommi Asiala  ]
  Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrob  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: Compile Question                  [ Brad Rogers  ]
  Compile Question                      [ Telly Williams  ]
  Re: A question of fonts               [ Alan Ianson  ]
  Re: Need newer software that include  [ Douglas Allan Tutty 

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:33:03 +0000


From: "Michael Fothergill" <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
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>From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:37:23 -0500
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>On 07/28/07 13:20, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Tommi Asiala <tommi@asiala.info>
> >> To: Michael Fothergill <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
> >> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >> Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
> >> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:52:50 +0300
> >>
> >> Hi Michael,
> >>
> >> To us to help you with the installing from tarball we would have to 
>know
> >> what you did. Your vague information on that part doesn't help.
> >
> > OK.  I infer from this that there is no deb file and so you have to fart
> > around with the tarball.
>
>On the contrary.  Here's the sources.list entry:
>deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org $BRANCH main
>
>Then,
># apt-get update
># apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
># apt-get install acroread

OK, I did all this.  It worked OK but it didn't install acroread....  So 
then I seached the web and it seemed to say that maybe there isn't a version 
of acroread for and AMD64 box (which I am using).



There is some chroot trick that can get the i386 deb file to work.


Do you need help?X

Perhaps the tarball had no chance after all.



But maybe I still have to little faith and I have been reading old web pages 
and there IS an amd64 acroread deb file after all....




Comments appreciated.



Michael






>- --
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Date: 28 Jul 2007 19:08:55 GMT


From: Tyler Smith <tyler.smith@mail.mcgill.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: /bin/login listening?


Message-ID: <slrnfan8hd.kfc.tyler.smith@blackbart.mynetwork>



Hi,


Do you need more help?X

rkhunter has turned up a new warning for me:


> Found warnings:
> [16:37:42] Checking for packet capturing applications... Warning
> [16:37:43] Warning! Process /bin/login (3888) listening
> [16:37:43] Warning! Process /bin/login (3888) listening
> [16:37:43] Warning! Process /bin/login (3888) listening
> [16:37:43] Warning! Process /bin/login (3888) listening
> [16:37:43] Warning! Process /sbin/dhclient (4197) listening
> [16:37:43] WARNING, found:  /etc/.java (directory)  /dev/.static (directory)  /dev/.udev (directory)  /dev/.initramfs (directory) 

The /bin/login hasn't shown up before. Is this something I need to
worry about?



Thanks,



Tyler



Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:36:21 -0700


From: Alan Ianson <agianson@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: A question of fonts


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On Sat July 28 2007 12:15, andy wrote:

> Dear all
>
> Can I have a few recommendations please for the best fonts package to
> use for a desktop machine. The font package I have right now seems to
> really screw with the legibility of Xmms and even Iceweasel. I'd like to
> make use of fonts that are available in MS Office (for inter-operability
> with MS docs I have to process). If it makes any diffs, I typically run
> either Gnome or Xfce4, on a testing (Lenny) machine.
>
> Thanks for any leads.
Can we help you?X

Install msttcorefonts. That will install a bunch of fonts from ms from the 
web.



There are also a couple xfree86-nonfree* packages that may help.



Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:11:56 +0100


From: Joe <joe@jretrading.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Need newer software that included with stable (that isn't at
 backports.org)

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Tim Hull wrote:

>> I understand the point of Debian stable - and I understand why most other
> distros (beside RHEL and the other "enterprise" distros) use a 4-6 month
> cycle.  However, I don't see why this much be mutually exclusionary with
> pulling selected updates down on an "as-needed" basis.  On Windows and OS X,
> one can easily update, say, OpenOffice.org or Firefox without updating the
> whole system.

Which, of course, are applications, and not part of the operating
system. There's no real problem in compiling a different Firefox or
OOo than a version of Debian currently contains. And the only reason
you need to compile at all, rather than use a precompiled binary, is
that Windows is one particular proprietary product, and GNU-Linux
isn't. The different Debian distributions are no more alike than Vista
and XP, and there's no reason why system components from one should
'just work' in the other. Would you expect to drop the Vista scheduler
into the XP kernel and have it work? Would you expect Microsoft to
produce a specifically compiled version of the Vista scheduler which
*would* work in XP?


> On Linux distributions, however, you either have to wait for the next distro
> release (whether that be 4 months or 12 months) or use hackish solutions
> only a Gentoo user could love.  Of course, I could just use OS X (or
> Windows) but that's not the point - I like the tweakability/freedom of
> Linux, but I just want to be able to update, for instance, my kernel or ACPI
> packages separate from my glibc and Xorg without leaving the realm of the
> package system.

So just how many packages would that be, to accommodate every possible
combination of compilers, libraries and operating system components?
Just to save you the inconvenience of the odd compilation if you want
something that doesn't currently exist as a package?


Can't find what you're looking for?X

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:39:37 +0300


From: Tommi Asiala <tommi@asiala.info>


To: Michael Fothergill <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

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Michael Fothergill wrote:

>> But maybe I still have to little faith and I have been reading old web
>> pages and there IS an amd64 acroread deb file after all....
> 
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq

Instead of gaining faith, try to focus on the issue and read.




-Tom



Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:40:48 -0500


From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

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On 07/28/07 14:33, Michael Fothergill wrote:

> 
> 
> 
>> From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
>> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:37:23 -0500
>>
> On 07/28/07 13:20, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>> From: Tommi Asiala <tommi@asiala.info>
>>> To: Michael Fothergill <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
>>> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>> Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:52:50 +0300
> 
>>> Hi Michael,
> 
>>> To us to help you with the installing from tarball we would have to
> know
>>> what you did. Your vague information on that part doesn't help.
> 
>> OK.  I infer from this that there is no deb file and so you have to
> fart
>> around with the tarball.
> 
> On the contrary.  Here's the sources.list entry:
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org $BRANCH main
> 
> Then,
> # apt-get update
> # apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
> # apt-get install acroread
> 
>> OK, I did all this.  It worked OK but it didn't install acroread....  So
>> then I seached the web and it seemed to say that maybe there isn't a
>> version of acroread for and AMD64 box (which I am using).

Hmmm, well, yes, that's a (actually, *the*) problem all right.


>> There is some chroot trick that can get the i386 deb file to work.
> 
>> Perhaps the tarball had no chance after all.

A chroot will probably work.  You could probably put the Macromedia
Flash player in the same chroot.



There are a plethora of web pages that show you how to set up such a
jail.


>> But maybe I still have to little faith and I have been reading old web
>> pages and there IS an amd64 acroread deb file after all....
  •   --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA




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Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!


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Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:01:40 +0100


From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Compile Question


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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:49:30 -0600


Telly Williams <twilliams001@elp.rr.com> wrote:



Hello Telly,


> I wanted to know if some of you find it better to compile your
> programs or just apt-get install them?  I've been thinking about just

A mixture of both.  The bulk of software here is installed from .deb
packages, using $preferredpackagemanager.  There are half a dozen or so
programs that I prefer to compile myself because the .debs are a bit
too far out of date, or use compile-time options that don't suit my
needs, or even that I need to patch myself.


Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X
> compiling from now on since it gives me more options.  Thanks.

You'll give yourself a big headache;  Doing system upgrades purely from
source is time-consuming, to say the least.



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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"


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Do you need help?X

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:49:30 -0600


From: Telly Williams <twilliams001@elp.rr.com>
To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Compile Question

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The past day or so I've been learning to compile different programs.  It's now something that seems very easy, which I thought was very hard prior to this.



I wanted to know if some of you find it better to compile your programs or just apt-get install them?  I've been thinking about just compiling from now on since 
it gives me more options.  Thanks.



TW



Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:30:10 -0700


From: Glen Pfeiffer <glen@thepfeiffers.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: A question of fonts

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On 07/28/2007 12:20 PM, andy wrote:

> Can I have a few recommendations please for the best fonts 
> package to use for a desktop machine.

I have only installed one font package and have no experience 
with any others.


Can we help you?X

msttcorefonts



It is available in the debian-multimedia repository.
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/
  1.   Add this to your sources.list.
   deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
  
  2.   Do update.
  
  3.   Install the debian-multimedia-keyring. That will get rid of 
   the annoying GPG errors.
  
  4.   Install msttcorefonts.




If you find any others worthwhile, please report back.


-- 
Glen 


Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: "D. Kettler" <dkettler@u.washington.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: DVD drive no longer mounts
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Sorry in advance for the long post, but I'm trying to provide any 
information that might be helpful for diagnosing the problem.

The following is on an existing installation that has worked fine for some 
time now.  I recently discovered that my DVD+-R/W drive will not even 
mount data discs, shortly after updating my Debian testing installation, 
though I am not yet convinced this has anything to dow with the update
  Specifically I get:

david@gosroth:~$ mount /media/dvdrw/
mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified

However, if I specify all the options manually as root:

gosroth:~# mount /dev/hdb -t iso9660 /media/dvdrw/
mount: No medium found

And yes, there is a disc in the drive.

I think the reason for the difference in the error messages is simply the 
fact that the type in fstab is 'auto'.  Here is my fstab for reference:

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
/dev/md0        /               xfs     defaults        0       1
/dev/sdb5       /backup         ext3    defaults        0       2
/dev/sda5       /boot           ext3    defaults        0       2
/dev/sda6       none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/sdb6       none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/hda        /media/dvdrom   iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
/dev/hdb        /media/dvdrw    auto    ro,user,noauto  0       0
/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
/dev/sdc1       /media/usbdev   auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
/home           /var/chroot/testing-ia32/home none bind 0 0
/tmp            /var/chroot/testing-ia32/tmp none bind 0 0
proc            /var/chroot/testing-ia32/proc proc defaults 0 0

The disc I am testing with works perfectly fine in my other drive.  Just 
to be sure I tried a couple different discs and it's always the same 
thing.  Yet near as I can tell the drive appears to be working perfectly 
fine:

gosroth:/proc/ide/ide0/hdb# cdrecord -scanbus
scsibus1000:
         1000,0,0 100000) 'TOSHIBA ' 'DVD-ROM SD-M1402' '1008' Removable 
CD-ROM
         1000,1,0 100001) 'SONY    ' 'DVD RW DW-U10A  ' '1.1d' Removable 
CD-ROM
         1000,2,0 100002) *
         1000,3,0 100003) *
         1000,4,0 100004) *
         1000,5,0 100005) *
         1000,6,0 100006) *
         1000,7,0 100007) *
gosroth:/proc/ide/ide0/hdb# lspci
00:00.0 Memory controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 Memory Controller (rev 
a3)
00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 ISA Bridge (rev a3)
00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation CK804 SMBus (rev a2)
00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 USB Controller (rev a2)
00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 USB Controller (rev a3)
00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio 
Controller (rev a2)
00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 IDE (rev f2)
00:07.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev 
f3)
00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev 
f3)
00:09.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
00:0a.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 Ethernet Controller (rev a3)
00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
00:0d.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
00:0e.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation CK804 PCIE Bridge (rev a3)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] 
Miscellaneous Control
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 
GT] (rev a2)
05:06.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] 
(rev 74)
gosroth:/proc/ide/ide0/hdb# lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
nvidia               8122424  34
nls_iso8859_1           9856  0
isofs                  40036  0
binfmt_misc            17292  1
ipv6                  285664  18
ext3                  138512  2
jbd                    65392  1 ext3
mbcache                14216  1 ext3
dm_snapshot            20664  0
dm_mirror              25216  0
dm_mod                 62800  2 dm_snapshot,dm_mirror
ide_disk               20608  0
snd_intel8x0           39592  1
snd_ac97_codec        106456  1 snd_intel8x0
snd_ac97_bus            7296  1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm_oss            48672  0
snd_mixer_oss          21888  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm                89096  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer              29192  1 snd_pcm
snd                    65256  8 
snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore              15392  1 snd
i2c_nforce2            12544  0
psmouse                44432  0
serio_raw              12036  0
tsdev                  13056  0
i2c_core               27776  2 nvidia,i2c_nforce2
snd_page_alloc         14864  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
pcspkr                  7808  0
evdev                  15360  1
xfs                   485192  1
raid1                  27008  1
md_mod                 82844  2 raid1
ide_generic             5760  0 [permanent]
usbhid                 45088  0
ide_cd                 45088  0
sd_mod                 25856  8
cdrom                  40488  1 ide_cd
floppy                 67112  0
3c59x                  51380  0
mii                    10368  1 3c59x
forcedeth              46340  0
ehci_hcd               36104  0
ohci_hcd               24836  0
amd74xx                19504  0 [permanent]
sata_nv                17412  6
libata                106784  1 sata_nv
scsi_mod              153008  2 sd_mod,libata
generic                11396  0 [permanent]
ide_core              147584  5 
ide_disk,ide_generic,ide_cd,amd74xx,generic
thermal                20240  0
processor              38248  1 thermal
fan                     9864  0
gosroth:/proc/ide/ide0/hdb# uname -a
Linux gosroth 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 
GNU/Linux


I am at a loss so any help would be appreciated.

--
David Kettler
dkettler@u.washington.edu



Date:  28 Jul 2007 16:03:41 -0400
From: Haines Brown <brownh@hartford-hwp.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  mounting usb frustration
Message-ID:  <87zm1gxplu.fsf@teufel.hartford-hwp.com>
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I mounted a USB flash card with a reader OK once, but failed the
second time. With two hard disks, an external USB mass storage deveice
and with a USB-key, all mounted using sda-sdd interfaces,  

  # mount -t vfat /dev/sde1 /media/reader 
  mount: special device /dev/sde1 does not exist

Indeed, udev has not generated any such interface. I have sdc, sdc1,
sdd, sdd1, sde, sdf, sdf1. The sda and sdb interfaces are for hard
disks. 

The flash card reader is seen on the USB bus and the necessary modules
are loaded.

But I get a very odd report from trying to mount sde1: :

  $ dmesg | tail
  sdf: assuming drive cache: write through
  SCSI device sdf: 234441648 512-byte hdwr sectors (120034 MB)
  sdf: Write Protect is off
  sdf: Mode Sense: 27 00 00 00
  sdf: assuming drive cache: write through sdf: sdf1
  sd 13:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdf
  usb-storage: device scan complete
  FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors
  VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdb1.

The message about FAT on sdb1 is correct, for it is ext2. Since udev
had created a sdf1, if I try to mount using it: 

  # mount -t vfat /dev/sdf1 /media/reader 
  mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdf1,
       missing codepage or other error
       In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
       dmesg | tail  or so

I get the sense that for some reason udev is not creating sde1, and so
sdf and sdf1 are created, but can't be used. I'm running Etch, and
udev is 0.105-4.

-- 
 
       Haines Brown, KB1GRM

	 
        



Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:04:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff D <fixedored@gmail.com>
To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Need newer software that included with stable (that isn't at
 backports.org)
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Tim Hull wrote:


>>
>>
>> ISTM, though, that you are missing the point of Stable.
>>
>> http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable
>>
>>     No new functionality is added to the stable release. Once
>>     a Debian version is released and tagged `stable' it will
>>     only get security updates. That is, only packages for which
>>     a security vulnerability has been found after the release
>>     will be upgraded. All the security updates are served through
>>     security.debian.org.
>>
>>     Security updates serve one purpose: to supply a fix for a
>>     security vulnerability. They are not a method for sneaking
>>     additional changes into the stable release without going through
>>     normal point release procedure. Consequently, fixes for packages
>>     with security issues will not upgrade the software. The Debian
>>     Security Team will backport the necessary fixes to the version
>>     of the software distributed in `stable' instead.
>>
>> This is how the people who make Debian want it to be.  Ubuntu,
>> Fedora/RH or SUSE may be better suited to you.
>>
>> - --
>> Ron Johnson, Jr.
>> Jefferson LA  USA
>>
>> I understand the point of Debian stable - and I understand why most other
> distros (beside RHEL and the other "enterprise" distros) use a 4-6 month
> cycle.  However, I don't see why this much be mutually exclusionary with
> pulling selected updates down on an "as-needed" basis.  On Windows and OS X,
> one can easily update, say, OpenOffice.org or Firefox without updating the
> whole system.
> On Linux distributions, however, you either have to wait for the next distro
> release (whether that be 4 months or 12 months) or use hackish solutions
> only a Gentoo user could love.  Of course, I could just use OS X (or
> Windows) but that's not the point - I like the tweakability/freedom of
> Linux, but I just want to be able to update, for instance, my kernel or ACPI
> packages separate from my glibc and Xorg without leaving the realm of the
> package system.
> In any case, this is probably best reserved for the -devel list, as it has
> gone outside the scope of my main question (how to make backports) and into
> the realm of release cycles etc.
>


Isn't this what /usr/local/ is for?  Maybe I'm missing something here 
though. I often get packages that either aren't in stable/testing or are 
just newer versions and place them there.  It's never been too much of a 
problem to deal with.  I use to do this with FireFox when 2 was coming 
out, I'd shove it into /usr/local/.  On one of my laptops, before the 
ipw2200 drivers were in the kernel, I had to roll my own kernels, get the 
firmware and build it.  But those are the prices of wanting to be on the 
bleeding edge.  I can't hold that against any distro for not having the 
latest and greatest on anything.  I don't expect them to.  Esp on debian, 
the maintainers have 40+ architectures to build for. Just looking at 
unstable for the linux-image-2.6.22, theres 44 different builds for this. 
That takes time, and I for one, am willing to wait a little bit for that 
to make its way down to testing.

Jeff

-+-
8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Techno.



Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:25:04 -0700
From: Alan Ianson <agianson@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: A question of fonts
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On Sat July 28 2007 12:30, Glen Pfeiffer wrote:

> On 07/28/2007 12:20 PM, andy wrote:
> > Can I have a few recommendations please for the best fonts
> > package to use for a desktop machine.
>
> I have only installed one font package and have no experience
> with any others.
>
> msttcorefonts
>
> It is available in the debian-multimedia repository.
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/


This package is in contrib. No need for debian-multimedia for this one.



Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:33:44 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Need newer software that included with stable (that isn't at backports.org)
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 09:00:26AM -0700, Tim Hull wrote:

>  Now, however, I can't help but wonder if some other Linux
>  distribution may be more receptive than Debian.  This is a problem
>  which needs to be fixed - no other OS makes you update the whole
>  system or go through arcane source compilation to update a single
>  component.


Sure other OSs do: Try convincing OpenBSD that you want a newer kernel.
They'll tell you to wait six months.  OTOH, NetBSD is a hacker's dream.
Take your pick.  FreeBSD may also do what you need but I haven't used it
yet.

I agree that it would be nice to have something a litle more often than
we get with Stable but a little more stable than Testing, but it doesn't
exist.  To make it exist would pull developers' time from the system as
it stands.

For this reason, and not in any way to tell you to go away, you may wish
to consider one of the BSDs.  They can run binary linux apps in
compatibility mode while having a large repository of packages ready to
install.  Their pkg_add is very similar to apt-get; I haven't found
anything equivalent to aptitude ncurses interface.

Good luck,

Doug.

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