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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2062

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Asus P5K WS motherboard / Marvel  [ Jeff D  ]
  Re: Download debs of installed packa  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: problems installing with 'writem  [ michael  ]
  Re: dir command                       [ Sjoerd Hardeman  ]
  Re: new Etch install fails to boot    [ Steve Kleene 
  Re: new Etch install fails to boot    [ Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchli ]
  Re: pam_limits and nice value: does   [ udo waechter <udo.waechter@uni-osna ]



Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:17:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff D <fixedored@gmail.com>


To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Asus P5K WS motherboard / Marvell IDE - CDrom not detected by
 installer


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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Mike Messick wrote:


>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm using the latest debian-testing-amd64-businesscard installer on an
> Asus P5K motherboard with an ICH9 Southbridge and  Marvell 88SE61xx SATA /
> PATA chipset.  I'm using an HP dvd1040i CDrom drive for installation.
>
> The installer boots fine but cannot find any cdrom device to use.  When I
> look at dmesg, I get the following output relating to the ide devices:
>


< snip dmesg/lspci info>

>
> So it looks like my 2 hard drives are showing up just fine, but I'm fairly
> clueless as to why the kernel (2.6.21-2-amd64) isn't finding the CDrom
> drive.
>
> I've verified that the Marvell IDE/eSATA controller is enabled in the BIOS
> as well (hence the initial booting of the installer CD).
>
> I'm hoping someone on the list can point me in the right direction; if
> this isn't the appropriate list then please accept my apologies for the
> noise.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -Mike.

Are you able to put the sata controller into compatability mode? If you 
are, you may want to try that out.


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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:21:47 -0500


From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Download debs of installed packages

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On 07/30/07 01:12, Rage Callao wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> How do I download the .debs of packages already installed in my system
> without having to reinstall them first via apt?
> 
> The command I'm using right now is:
> 
> apt-get --yes --reinstall install `cat package_list.txt`
> 
> where package_list.txt contains the package names per line.

man pages are your friends.



$ man apt-get


[snip]

OPTIONS


       All command line options may be set using the
       configuration file, the descriptions indicate the
       configuration option to set. For boolean options you can
       override the config file by using something like
       -f-,--no-f, -f=no or several other variations.

       -d, --download-only
           Download only; package files are only retrieved, not
           unpacked or installed. Configuration Item:

Do you need more help?X

           APT::Get::Download-Only.


But it won't *necessarily* download the version you have installed.
 It will download the version that is currently in the repository.
Look in /var/cache/apt/archives for installed debs.



  •   --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA



Can we help you?X

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!


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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:22:52 +0100


From: michael <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk>
To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: problems installing with 'writemaster' CDROM

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On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 18:03 +0100, Wackojacko wrote:

> michael wrote:
> 
> <snip lspci output showing ICH8 controller>
> > iTCO_wdt               20625  0 
> > iTCO_vendor_support    12741  1 iTCO_wdt
> > snd_page_alloc         19025  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
> > i2c_core               35777  1 i2c_i801
> > rtc_cmos               17017  0 
> > sr_mod                 26853  0 
> > cdrom                  44009  1 sr_mod
> > sg                     45673  0 
> > dm_snapshot            25609  0 
> > dm_zero                10817  0 
> > dm_mirror              30785  0 
> > dm_mod                 68785  9
> > dm_multipath,dm_snapshot,dm_zero,dm_mirror
> > pata_marvell           16449  0 
> > ata_piix               25413  3 
> > ata_generic            17221  0 
> > libata                137201  3 pata_marvell,ata_piix,ata_generic
> > sd_mod                 37441  5 
> > scsi_mod              168697  4 sr_mod,sg,libata,sd_mod
> > ext3                  141905  2 
> > jbd                    73009  1 ext3
> > mbcache                18249  1 ext3
> > ehci_hcd               42957  0 
> > ohci_hcd               30405  0 
> > uhci_hcd               34401  0 
> 
> It would appear from this, and other info in subsequent e-mails, that 
> you need to load the 'ata_piix' module.  When the install stalls do 
> Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get to another terminal and 'modprobe ata_piix'. 
> Apologies if you have already tried this.

I hadn't tried that particular module, but doesn't help :(



> There is a possibility that the etch kernel is not new enough for this 
> MB, what kernel does fedora run on?  If this is the case you may need a 
> custom installer, google is your friend here.

2.6.22.1-33.fc7


Can't find what you're looking for?X

Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:01:44 +0100


From: koffiejunkie <koffiejunkielistlurker@koffiejunkie.za.net>
To: Gilles Mocellin <gilles.mocellin@free.fr>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: bindgraph [solved]

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Gilles Mocellin wrote:

> Just try the newer version, no need to backport it since it's just a perl 
> script. You can use pinning or just downlad appart the deb file from testing.

Aah, awesome.  The package from testing works like a charm!



Thanks for the help.



Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:48:24 +0200


From: Sjoerd Hiemstra <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Fonts -

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Mathias Brodala wrote:

> Rick, 30.07.2007 04:27:
> > Wonder, if there are any good mono-fonts for debian,
> > that I can install extra.
Don't know where to look next?X

I'd like to mention Liberation Mono, one of the Liberation fonts provided
by RedHat.  https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/
(BTW, Liberation Sans is looking great as the default font for GTK2 and Qt.
YMMV.)


And if you search the repositories for packages with 'font' in their name,
chances are that you'll find quite a couple that are not installed yet.


> Just search the web for a font you like. As long as they are in the usual
> TrueType format, you can just drop them into
> /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype.

I would put this a bit more general.


Type1 fonts, consisting of a .pfa or .pfb and a .afm file, work just as
well. I suppose the new .otf or Open Type fonts will also work, I just
haven't tried them yet.



One could put them into subdirectories of /usr/local/share/fonts, such as:


    /usr/local/share/fonts/type1
    /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype
    /usr/local/share/fonts/whatever


and they will still be found there.



Probably even better/easier, install fonts per user, not system wide, by
putting them into ~/.fonts, or in subdirectories thereof, as above.



BTW, I was quite surprised to see that in Lenny the fonts are immediately
available, just by putting them into these directories. Not sure if it
works this way in Etch yet???


> My all time favorites are Monaco and Lucida Console.
Confused? Frustrated?X

Mine is definitely Lucida Sans Typewriter.  ;-)



Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:56:48 +0200 (CEST)
From: pinniped <cirilo_bernardo@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: dir command

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(quote)


To get sizes, du is the obvious choice, but you could do the ridiculous:
$ find . -type f -exec cat {} \; | wc -c
(end quote)



I do the slightly less ridiculous:


for X in $(find . -name '*'); do du -b $X >> mylogfile; done



Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:35:42 +1000


From: Keith Bates <keith@new-life.org.au>
To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Using Wine to do my Tax (Australia)

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Hi, 


Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

I wonder if anyone using the Australian Taxation Office's infamous
e-tax package has been able to get it going under wine.



I'm using debian testing and have just downloaded wine from the
repository. I've configured wine (mostly using the defaults) and
tested it running notepad and the winfile file manager.



I've downloaded the e-tax 2007 package from 


http://ato.gov.au/content/downloads/etax2007/etax2007_1.exe

I installed the application successfully, but after completing the
first page and pressing "Next" I got the following error message:



Error saving data: Access violation at address 0055521C in module
'etax2007.exe'. Read of address 00000008



I've made sure that every folder and file in my .wine folder has 777
permissions, but I still get the error.



I've done a search of both the wine site and the internet but haven't
been able to find a solution.


Do you need help?X

Does anyone know how to get the program to work? Or will I have to
comply with the ATO's "Windows only" agenda?



Thanks!


-- 
God bless you,


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Fax: 02 67925418

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:09:16 +0200
From: Sjoerd Hardeman <srhardem@science.uva.nl>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dir command
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pinniped schreef:

> 
> (quote)
> To get sizes, du is the obvious choice, but you could do the ridiculous:
> $ find . -type f -exec cat {} \; | wc -c
> (end quote)
> 
> I do the slightly less ridiculous:
> for X in $(find . -name '*'); do du -b $X >> mylogfile; done

Which still uses du.
One could also do
find . -type f -exec ls -l {} \; | awk '{save=save+$5; print save}'

> 
> 

Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:46:54 +0200
From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Where is Lame in Sarge?
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Am 2007-07-26 13:17:25, schrieb Hal Vaughan:

> Neither toolame or glame provide lame itself.  It's LPGL, does that=20
> create a conflict with Debian's social contract?
>=20


"lame" can not distributed by debian, so you can
find it on <http://www.multimedia-debian.org/>.
(I hope it is right since I do not nose non-free stuff)

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
    Michelle Konzack


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Date:  Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:53:27 -0500
From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: Download debs of installed packages
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Rage Callao wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> How do I download the .debs of packages already installed in my system
> without having to reinstall them first via apt?
> 
> The command I'm using right now is:
> 
> apt-get --yes --reinstall install `cat package_list.txt`
> 
> where package_list.txt contains the package names per line.
> 


If you want .debs of what is installed, why not dpkg-repack?

Hugo



Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:27:50 +0200
From: Jochen Schulz <ml@well-adjusted.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dir command
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William Pursell:

>=20
> To get sizes, du is the obvious choice, but you
> could do the ridiculous:
> $ find . -type f -exec cat {} \; | wc -c


Note that this is different from du in that it counts characters, not
bytes. In some encodings a character may be larger than one byte, so
your result would be a little off. And I don't think wc can count
'characters' in binary files at all.

Additionally, du doesn't count files' sizes, but the size that they take
on disk (multiples of the file system's block size).

J.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:24:08 -0400
From: Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: new Etch install fails to boot
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 11:00:30PM -0400, Steve Kleene wrote:

> [I wrote that my fresh Etch install calls grub and then stops.]


On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:19:40 -0400, From: Douglas Allan Tutty replied:

> What happens if you reboot the installer in rescue mode and tell it to
> install grub again?


I don't know how to do this yet, but it sounds like it's worth looking into.
I'm hoping not to have to run the whole build again.


> Does the box have a floppy and do you have a grub-disk (I've never made
> a grub-stick)?  Will that get you to a grub command line?


It does have a floppy.  I do not have a grub-disk.  I do have a second
(newer) box that is happily running Etch.

And on Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:28:04 -0500, "Mumia W.." wrote:


> If you can, try to get the boot files placed before the 1024th cylinder
> boundary. Sometimes this is at 0.5GB, 2.1GB or 8GB. Try a partition
> layout like so ...


This is exactly what I always did with Red Hat and lilo on a drive that
shared Windows and Linux.  I could easily try this again but thought it
should be unnecessary for two reasons.  First, I am using grub now, which I
thought supported lba by default.  Second, without the whole drive allocated
to Etch (i.e. no Windows partition at the start of the drive), I imagined the
files needed by grub would not be placed past cylinder 1024.  But maybe
that's unpredictable.

Thanks.



Date:  Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:32:06 -0500
From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: where is linux-2.6_2.6.22-2.diff.gz?
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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> Hi Team,
> 
> For quite a few days now the pages that display packages for 
> linux-headers-2.6.22 (UNSTABLE) show
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.22-2.diff.gz 
> 
> as the patch file, but it does not exist, while 
> linux-2.6_2.6.22-1.diff.gz does.
> 
> Anybody notice that?
> 


Nobody.

Found it in:
http://ftp.cica.es/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/

But why there and not in ftp.debian.org?

Hugo


Do you need more help?X

Date:  Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:42:53 -0500
From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: dumb question about Adobe Acrobat....
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Mumia W.. wrote:

> On 07/29/2007 02:20 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>>
>> The next version of Evince, due this fall, will also support form 
>> filling.
>>
> 
> Can anyone point me to example of PDFs that have fillable forms? I just 
> want to play with the various form-filling features in OO.o, Evince, 
> pdftk and the others.
> 
> 
> 


OO doesn't do PDFs does it? At least all I get is garbage on the screen.

Hugo



Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:30:00 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: new Etch install fails to boot
Message-ID: <20070730133000.GA10176@titan>
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:28:04PM -0500, Mumia W.. wrote:
 

> If you can, try to get the boot files placed before the 1024th cylinder 
> boundary. Sometimes this is at 0.5GB, 2.1GB or 8GB. Try a partition 
> layout like so:
> 
> /boot (primary #1, 2.1GB)
> / (primary #2, 37.8GB)
> swap (logical #5, 1.5GB)
> 


You shouldn't need a 2.1GB /boot.  I find that 24 MB is fine.  Hey,
splurge and make it 32 MB.

Since we don't know what the problem is, better be safe and assume that
the boundary is as 512 MB.

Doug.



Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:35:19 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: new Etch install fails to boot
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 08:24:08AM -0400, Steve Kleene wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 11:00:30PM -0400, Steve Kleene wrote:
> > [I wrote that my fresh Etch install calls grub and then stops.]
> 
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:19:40 -0400, From: Douglas Allan Tutty replied:
> > What happens if you reboot the installer in rescue mode and tell it to
> > install grub again?
> 
> I don't know how to do this yet, but it sounds like it's worth looking into.
> I'm hoping not to have to run the whole build again.
> 


The installer's rescue mode (at the boot prompt, instead of typing
'install', just type 'rescue') is designed to rescue an already
installed system.  It will not reinstall from rescue mode.  I also gives
you the option of a shell chrooted into your installation where you can
run commands as if it had booted normally.


> > Does the box have a floppy and do you have a grub-disk (I've never made
> > a grub-stick)?  Will that get you to a grub command line?
> 
> It does have a floppy.  I do not have a grub-disk.  I do have a second
> (newer) box that is happily running Etch.
> 


Then on that box, install the grub-disk package.  It gives you a disk
image which you write to a floppy with dd:
	dd if=grub-disk.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync; sync

If that box has grub installed and you have the grub-doc package, there
are instructions for putting grub onto a floppy from within the grub
command line.


> And on Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:28:04 -0500, "Mumia W.." wrote:
> 
> > If you can, try to get the boot files placed before the 1024th cylinder
> > boundary. Sometimes this is at 0.5GB, 2.1GB or 8GB. Try a partition
> > layout like so ...
> 
> This is exactly what I always did with Red Hat and lilo on a drive that
> shared Windows and Linux.  I could easily try this again but thought it
> should be unnecessary for two reasons.  First, I am using grub now, which I
> thought supported lba by default.  Second, without the whole drive allocated
> to Etch (i.e. no Windows partition at the start of the drive), I imagined the
> files needed by grub would not be placed past cylinder 1024.  But maybe
> that's unpredictable.


Just because grub can find something doesn't mean that your bios can
boot it.  Just to save the headache later, especially if I move the
drive from one computer to another, I _always_ put /boot in the first
partition on its own.  If I have two drives, I'll put it on a raid1
partition for good measure.

Doug.



Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:25:59 +0200
From: udo waechter <udo.waechter@uni-osnabrueck.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: pam_limits and nice value: does it work?
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Hello again,
I found the solution,its not the 'nice' directive but the 'priority'  
which does the trick.
I misunderstood the man page in this case.
Bye,
udo.

On 23.07.2007, at 20:59, udo waechter wrote:


> Hey all,
> we want to make all programs from remote users run by a nice value.
> I have made pam_limits have its own configuration file for /etc/ 
> pam.d/ssh, where everybody is assigned a nice value of 10 (for both  
> hard and soft)
> I am not sure if this actually works, since top still shows a nice  
> value of 0 for those processes launched by a user logged in via ssh.
> All other pam_limit directives (maxlogins at al.) do work when  
> setting them.
> Does top simply not show the correct value, or does 'nice' not work  
> for pam_limits?
> Debian is etch.
> Thanks,
> udo.

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---[ Albrechtstrasse 28, D-49076 Osnabrueck, 969-3362
---[ Eyes: http://www.zoide.net/
---[ Ears: http://www.auriculabovinari.de/

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