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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2077

Today's Topics: 

  Re: new Etch install fails to boot    [ andreimpopescu@gmail.com (Andrei Po ]
  Re: Download debs of installed packa  [ bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx) ]
  Firefox \ Iceweasel Differences?      [ pinniped  ]
  Re: Swap configuration for 16GB of R  [ bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx) ]
  Re: My experience with Lenny.         [ Jonathan Kaye  ]
  Re: Bookmark nicknames, and address   [ Magnus Therning  ]
  Re: [OT] Mathematics and the useless  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: [OT] Mathematics and the useless  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  skype X l7                            [ =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1rcio_Luciano_Don ]
  Re: new Etch install fails to boot    [ Steve Kleene 

Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:21:49 +0300


From: andreimpopescu@gmail.com (Andrei Popescu)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: new Etch install fails to boot
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 09:31:09PM -0400, Steve Kleene wrote:
=20

> In case it's relevant, here's how fdisk showed the filesys in rescue mode:
>=20

>      Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>   /dev/hde1   *           1          12       96358+  83  Linux
>   /dev/hde2            4819        5005     1502077+   5  Extended
>   /dev/hde3              12        4818    38604195   83  Linux
>   /dev/hde5            4819        5005     1502046   82  Linux swap / So=

laris
>=20


> I do appreciate all of your suggestions and am sorry this is going on so
> long.
Do you need help?X

No need to be sorry ;)



IIRC your /boot partition was pretty big. Would it be very complicated=20
to make it something like a few hundred megs (less then 512) ?



Regards,


Andrei


--=20


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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:16:55 -0600


From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Download debs of installed packages

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Do you need more help?X

Rage Callao wrote:

> How do I download the .debs of packages already installed in my system
> without having to reinstall them first via apt?
> 
> The command I'm using right now is:
> 
> apt-get --yes --reinstall install `cat package_list.txt`
> 
> where package_list.txt contains the package names per line.

Use aptitude to download the .deb file to the current directory.



  aptitude download $(<package_list.txt)


       download
              Downloads the .deb file for the given package to the
              current directory.

              By default, the version which would be installed with

Can we help you?X

              "aptitude install" is downloaded. You can select a
              particular version of a package by appending =
              to the package name; you can select the version from a
              particular archive by appending / to the
              package name.


Bob



Date: Wed,  1 Aug 2007 08:03:42 +0200 (CEST)
From: pinniped <cirilo_bernardo@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Firefox \ Iceweasel Differences?

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(quote)

One of the most common operations performed in a Web page is to detect th=
e browser type and version. Browser detection is performed to ensure that=
 the content presented to the browser is compatible and renders correctly=


....


(end quote)


The quote is 100% bullshit of course.  The whole idea of html was to prov=
ide the content with markup and allow the USER to customize the look in t=
he browser. Personally I never wasted time doing anything more than selec=
ting font sizes...  Then came 'stylesheets' to encourage browsers to disp=
lay something more like what the content creator wants, and here's one po=
int where things start to break very badly. User agent detection is a Mic=
rosoftism; for the most part I get the impression that MS uses this to re=
direct users who don't use IE* to some crap site to give the impression t=


hat the browser is broken (see stories on MS campaign against Opera).


As for complex sites and things that work/don't work - making use of serv=
er-side scripts should ensure that everything works as long as it is cont=
ent supported by the W3C standards and the version of the standard coded =
into the browser. For those site designers who require the use of proprie=
tary codecs like 'Flash' just to view and browse a website, we have a spe=
cial name: moron. Standards good, proprietary crap bad. Proprietary crap =

Can't find what you're looking for?X



claiming to be standard: must be Microsoft.


Don't know where to look next?X

Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:27:09 -0600


From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: dpkg purge problem

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Sasho Angelov wrote:

> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
>      And stop here. Only I can do is to press Ctrl+C

That is running update-grub.  You should be able to run that command
manually.



  sudo update-grub



If that hangs (hopefully it will) then you can debug from that point.
It is a shell script and so the following command would useful.



  sudo bash -x /usr/sbin/update-grub


> /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.list is empty file

That .list file should not be related.


Confused? Frustrated?X
> What to do???

Did your /boot/grub/menu.lst file become corrupted?  If so then move
it out of the way (so that you have a saved copy) and then run
update-grub manually.  Seeing no file there it will offer to create
one for you automatically.



  sudo mv /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.corrupted
  sudo update-grub



Then carefully compare and configure the 'kopt' and 'groot' sections.
Those would have been set up automatically by the installer.  Because
my suggestion creates a new file without the installer those options
need to be set correctly.



  diff /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.corrupted
  sudo editor /boot/grub/menu.lst


  sudo update-grub



After fixing and running update-grub inspect the file.  If update-grub
runs without hanging then you should be able to purge the package.



If all else fails and a package simply will not pass the prerm or
postrm scripts then a reach-into-the-guts of the system approach is to
edit the /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.prerm and/or
/var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.postrm files and hack them
to exit(0); so as to avoid the error.  At that point dpkg will succeed
without running the script.  But it won't have run the script either
and so that problem would need to be dealt with but some broken
packages have required this.



Bob


Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:29:59 -0600


From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Debian Linux in Chroot

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  •   Tong - wrote:

    > Matthew K Poer wrote:
    > 
    > > My understanding of chroot is extremely limited, right now. I have
    > > searched around, but can anyone point me to anything specific that
    > > they know to be a good tutorial/explanation or how chroot works
    > > and what its capabilities are?
    > 
    > Check this out:
    > 
    > System Chroot And Debootstrap
    > http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/chroot/

Also see:



  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot

Bob



Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:44:12 -0500


From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: How to upgrade a 686 system to x86_64?

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Do you need help?X

On 07/31/07 20:27, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote:

> Dear all,
>    I am using a x86_64 hardware, but I installed a 686 sid on it. Now I
> want to use x86_64 sid.
>    I installed x86_64 linux image, and booted, but all my softwares are
> still 686, so new x86_64 software can not be installed.
> 
>    How to upgrade all my softwares?

This has been asked quite a few times before.  Google is your friend.



First, hope/pray that /home is on a separate partition.



Then, pull a list of your installed packages, back-up the important
files from /etc and /usr/local, then reinstall from scratch.



(Yes, there are ways to use chroot, but reinstalling is simplest.)



  •   --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA




Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!


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Do you need more help?X

Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:45:25 -0600


From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Swap configuration for 16GB of RAM, 8 cores

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agenkin@gmail.com wrote:

> What are the current best practices with regards to swap partitions?
> Is it better to create one big, or several smaller swap partitions?
> Is the rule of thumb still RAM*2 for the total size?

For a server I turn off Linux memory overcommit.  This avoids ever
having the out-of-memory killer run and kill random unrelated
processes.  Especially in a multiuser environment or in an enterprise
level environment this is very important.



But turning off overcommit means that the rule of RAM*2 comes back
into play.



Search the web for linux kernel out of memory killer and memory
overcommit and you will find much discussion about it.  Start here.



  http://lwn.net/Articles/104179/

  http://linux-mm.org/OverCommitAccounting

  http://www.redhat.com/magazine/001nov04/features/vm/
Can we help you?X

I recommend trying following in order to disable linux kernel memory
overcommit.  This will cause malloc() to fail when memory is
exhausted.  (The default is that malloc() and fork() will always
pass.)  This should avoid the linux kernel out of memory killer from
becoming active and killing random processes on the system.  This will
cause only the programs that are asking for more memory to fail.  This
is the traditional Unix memory model.  I recommend configuring servers
that need reliable operation this way.



  sudo sysctl -w vm.overcommit_memory=2



HOWEVER!  If you do not have enough virtual memory / swap space at the
time that you activate this configuration then it may cause your
system to be unable to fork() and malloc() starting at that moment.
If the system becomes unusable due to fork failure you may need to
reboot.  You must have enough virtual memory configured to handle all
of your expected simultaneously running applications.  Be careful that
you can reboot your server remotely if you do not have physical
access.



Since the above 'sysctl' test is a temporary configuration a reboot
will reset to the default allowing memory overcommit and enabling the
out of memory killer if the system runs out of memory and needs a
reboot to be saved.  If you decide that is a good configuration to
keep it memory overcommit disabled then it may be configured in
/etc/sysctl.conf to be set to off at boot time.  This is what I
recommend when there is enough virtual memory available.



Bob



Date:  Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:47:36 +0200


From: Jonathan Kaye <jdkaye10@yahoo.es>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject:  Re: My experience with Lenny.

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Pedro Izecksohn wrote:


Can't find what you're looking for?X
>   I've being using Lenny Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1
>   20070725-21:16 from that date on.
>=20


>   I just compiled and installed my personal Linux kernel 2.6.22.1
>   optimized for Pentium D. It seems to me that most programs work faste=

r

>   with the default kernel 2.6.21-2-686, as it does not recognize SMP an=

d a

>   single CPU get all bus cycles.
>=20


>   The major problem I had was to configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf for this
>   monitor Samsung SyncMaster 740n, as I had to configure it manually.

>=20

>   Another problem is openoffice.org-impress_2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch1_i386.de=

b

>   that crashes sometimes, I do not know exactly why.
>=20


>   Gnash is good for Flash 7 presentations, as it misses some Flash 8
>   features. But Macromedia's player 9 works perfectly.

>=20

>   I would like to install iTunes to buy a single music clip, but some w=

ork

>   needs to be done for wine.
>=20


>   All other installed programs seem to work fine.
>=20


>   My biggest surprise was GnomeBaker, as it saved me from the need to
>   install K3B.


>=20

>   locale: My current LANG=3Dpt_BR.UTF-8 Wouldn't the correct be pt_BR.u=

tf-8

>   ?
>=20


>   I'm in general satisfied with this distro. It is very near to stable.

>=20


Bom dia Pedro,


I'm also using Lenny with a 2.6.22 kernel, but a ready-made one, not one
that I rolled myself. One point on Impress. Version 2.0.4 is a bit out of
date. You might have more joy downloading from the Openoffice site where
the current version is 2.2.1. There is no an autoupdate feature on
Openoffice so you don't have to do this more than once. The testing
versions of OO tend to be a little behind and there's no problem running
the very latest version on Lenny (or any previous testing version I've ev=
er


used). You get a tarball with a bunch of RPMs that you can convert to deb=
s


with alien. Then the installation is trivial. Note that the default
location is /opt, which is where I like OO to be.
At=C3=A9 logo,


Jonathan


--=20


Registerd Linux user #445917 at http://counter.li.org/

Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:07:24 +0100


From: Magnus Therning <magnus@therning.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Bookmark nicknames, and address drop down in Epiphany
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 09:09:37 +0530, Kumar Appaiah wrote:

>Dear Debian user,
>
>Could someone direct me on how/whether the "bookmark nicknames" support
>which Galeon and Iceweasel have is available on Epiphany? What I mean
>is, I should be able to set things up such that:
>
>wp Epiphany: Launches a search for "Epiphany" in Wikipedia
>bug : goes to bugs.debian.org/
>etc.
>
>My searches on how to get this working were inconclusive. I did find
>something related to GNOME deskbar which does this, but I don't have
>GNOME and don't want to install it.


Look at the Bookmark Shortcuts extension on this page:
http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/ThirdPartyExtensions


>Also, in Iceweasel, if there's an address we have in the visited
>locations which drops down when we type it, and we want to make a
>change, we can select that and edit it. But that doesn't seem to be the
>case in Epiphany. Is there a way to replicate that behaviour as well.


IIRC that's a problem with the GTK+ widget.  This question has been
asked before in the epiphany mailing list.


Don't know where to look next?X

/M



--=20

Magnus Therning                             (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)
magnus@therning.org             Jabber: magnus.therning@gmail.com


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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:53:02 -0600


From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: A question of fonts

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Confused? Frustrated?X

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Ron Johnson wrote:

> Attached is my list of installed fonts.
Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

A good list.  I was too lazy to crosscheck that with my list but here
are the fonts that I installed when upgrading to be able to enable a
large selection of fonts for web pages.  I am sure there is overlap
with Ron's list.


  ttf-opensymbol
  ttf-dejavu
  ttf-arabeyes
  ttf-arphic-bkai00mp
  ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp
  ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp
  ttf-arphic-gkai00mp
  ttf-arphic-ukai
  ttf-arphic-uming
  ttf-baekmuk
  ttf-bengali-fonts
  ttf-bitstream-vera
  ttf-devanagari-fonts
  ttf-farsiweb
  ttf-freefont
  ttf-gentium
  ttf-gujarati-fonts
  ttf-indic-fonts
  ttf-kannada-fonts
  ttf-kochi-gothic
  ttf-kochi-mincho
  ttf-malayalam-fonts
  ttf-mgopen
  ttf-oriya-fonts
  ttf-punjabi-fonts
  ttf-tamil-fonts
  ttf-telugu-fonts


This is probably more than needed.  I simply installed all of the same
fonts that a default Ubuntu desktop installs.  :-)



Bob



Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:18:13 -0500


From: "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: new Etch install fails to boot

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On 07/31/2007 08:31 PM, Steve Kleene wrote:

> [...]
>    Still, I verified that /etc/lilo.conf was there, and there were no grub
>    files anywhere under /target (including under /boot).  I finished the
>    installation anyway, and found it totally bizarre when a reboot produced
>    the same output as before, including "GRUB Loading stage1.5".  It's as if
>    this string lives on the MBR and I'm unable to overwrite it.
> 

Which MBR? Each fixed disk can have its own MBR. It sounds like you have 
six ATA devices installed; the BIOS is trying to boot from one of those 
devices, and you need to write to the MBR for that device.



BTW, did you change /etc/lilo.conf to work with your system?


Do you need help?X
> Practically all I can think of now is trying to install Windows and see if
> that's even possible.  That's pretty desperate.
> 
> In case it's relevant, here's how fdisk showed the filesys in rescue mode:
> 
>      Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>   /dev/hde1   *           1          12       96358+  83  Linux
>   /dev/hde2            4819        5005     1502077+   5  Extended
>   /dev/hde3              12        4818    38604195   83  Linux
>   /dev/hde5            4819        5005     1502046   82  Linux swap / Solaris
> 
> I do appreciate all of your suggestions and am sorry this is going on so
> long.
> 
> 

Where are and what are the devices before /dev/hde?



Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:08:40 +0200


From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: [OT] Mathematics and the uselessness of numbers (was Re: Help
 buying Economic Printer)

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[snip]

>> Because people (even, apparently, smart people like you) seem to fixate on 
>> that "average" number and think that "because that's the average, that's 
>> what the temperature is supposed to be", weather sites should *not* post 
>> average, but *should* post the *range* of temperatures 1 STDDEV above and 
>> below the average.


> 
> please Ron. I'm fully aware of what an average is and was merely jumping on the "let's
> discuss random weather stuff" band-wagon and having a little fun. 
> 
> sheesh.
> 
> I agree though that the range of temperatures would be really nice to
> see. The high and low with 1 stddev above and below each would
> actually be useful information. 

Sorry for joining this OT thread.



Don't get misled by the subject; this has nothing to do with mathematics:



  1.   stddev's only apply, if temperatures would vary statistically and
would therefore show a Gaussian distribution around a mean value.
Neither is the case.

  
  2.   If temperatures would vary statistically, it would be enough to give
the stddev, because 'above' and 'below' would be the same value.



Do you need more help?X

The fact that 'above' and 'below' are generally different values, is a
direct hint that 1) does not apply. This is probably one of the reasons
why meteorologists give mean temperatures in January and July, but no
stddev.



Johannes


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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:29:01 +0530


From: Kumar Appaiah <akumar@iitm.ac.in>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Bookmark nicknames, and address drop down in Epiphany

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:07:24AM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote:

> >My searches on how to get this working were inconclusive. I did find
> >something related to GNOME deskbar which does this, but I don't have
> >GNOME and don't want to install it.
> 
> Look at the Bookmark Shortcuts extension on this page:
> http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/ThirdPartyExtensions

Many thanks for the pointer.


> >Also, in Iceweasel, if there's an address we have in the visited
> >locations which drops down when we type it, and we want to make a
> >change, we can select that and edit it. But that doesn't seem to be the
> >case in Epiphany. Is there a way to replicate that behaviour as well.
> 
> IIRC that's a problem with the GTK+ widget.  This question has been
> asked before in the epiphany mailing list.
Can we help you?X

Well, I guess it is a little too much to ask for.



Thanks for the pointers!



Kumar

-- 
Kumar Appaiah,
458, Jamuna Hostel,
Indian Institute of Technology Madras,
Chennai - 600 036


Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:36:47 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Mathematics and the uselessness of numbers (was Re: Help
 buying Economic Printer)
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On 07/12/07 12:25, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 11:40:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

>> On 07/11/07 18:44, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:31:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>> On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C. S=E1nchez wrote:
>>>>> I thought you established that it doesn't get hot in Canada.
>>> Well, I'm almost in canada and it's 104F (40C) here today with 106F (=
41C)=20
>>> tomorrow
>>> and saturday. But, as was already said, at least its a dry heat. So m=
uch=20
>>> for our 85F (29C) average...
>> That's why it's called an *average*.
>>
>> Because people (even, apparently, smart people like you) seem to fixat=
e on=20
>> that "average" number and think that "because that's the average, that=
's=20
>> what the temperature is supposed to be", weather sites should *not* po=
st=20
>> average, but *should* post the *range* of temperatures 1 STDDEV above =
and=20
>> below the average.
>=20

> please Ron. I'm fully aware of what an average is and was merely jumpin=

g on the "let's

> discuss random weather stuff" band-wagon and having a little fun.=20

>=20

> sheesh.


I shouldn't have sounded so harsh, and transferred to you my
aggravation with most people.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 05:41:05 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Mathematics and the uselessness of numbers (was Re: Help
 buying Economic Printer)
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On 07/31/07 11:08, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> [snip]

>>> Because people (even, apparently, smart people like you) seem to fixate on 
>>> that "average" number and think that "because that's the average, that's 
>>> what the temperature is supposed to be", weather sites should *not* post 
>>> average, but *should* post the *range* of temperatures 1 STDDEV above and 
>>> below the average.
>> please Ron. I'm fully aware of what an average is and was merely jumping on the "let's
>> discuss random weather stuff" band-wagon and having a little fun. 

> 

>> sheesh.

> 

>> I agree though that the range of temperatures would be really nice to
>> see. The high and low with 1 stddev above and below each would
>> actually be useful information. 

> 
> Sorry for joining this OT thread.
> 
> Don't get misled by the subject; this has nothing to do with mathematics:
> 
> 1) stddev's only apply, if temperatures would vary statistically and


By "statistically", do you mean "evenly"?

(It's been a number of decades since I've needed to know more than
just the generalities of bell curves, standard deviations, tails, etc.)


> would therefore show a Gaussian distribution around a mean value.
> Neither is the case.
> 
> 2) If temperatures would vary statistically, it would be enough to give
> the stddev, because 'above' and 'below' would be the same value.
> 
> The fact that 'above' and 'below' are generally different values, is a
> direct hint that 1) does not apply. This is probably one of the reasons
> why meteorologists give mean temperatures in January and July, but no
> stddev.


I don't know what the year-on-year temperature variability is like
in Germany, but here in the US it's quite high.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:41:36 -0300
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1rcio_Luciano_Donada?= <mdonada@auroraalimentos.com.br>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: skype X l7
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Hi,
I more applied patch and all in kernel and in iptables to filter l7,
that skype still only continues leaving and for what I am seeing it
leaves accurately by where would have to be blocked, in door 443.
Somebody has some tip on the subject or l7 is not total trustworthy to
block skype?

thnx
M=E1rcio

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:05:06 -0400
From: Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: new Etch install fails to boot
Message-Id: <200708011205.IAA01466@syrano.acb.uc.edu>

On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 11:00:30PM -0400:

> [I wrote that my fresh Etch install calls grub and then stops.]


On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:21:49 +0300, Andrei Popescu replied:

> IIRC your /boot partition was pretty big. Would it be very complicated
> to make it something like a few hundred megs (less then 512) ?


As shown during partitioning, it was <100 MB, i.e.

  IDE5 master (hde) - 41.2 GB IC35L040AVER07-0
        #1 primary   98.7 MB B f ext3       /boot

Since each cylinder is 8225280 bytes, this is 12 cylinders.

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