debian-user-digest Digest V2007 #2080

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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2080

Today's Topics:

  Re: Udev. Problems with ordering har  [ Florian Kulzer  ]
  Re: nfs problem while internet acces  [ bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx) ]
  Re: how to set network io priority f  [ Douglas Allan Tutty  ]
  RE: syslog help - SOLVED              [ "Tony Heal"  ]
  Re: Udev. Problems with ordering har  [ Florian Kulzer  ]
  Re: Compile Question                  [ Brad Rogers  ]
  Re: how to set network io priority f  [ Henrique de Moraes Holschuh 

Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:34:59 +0200


From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Udev. Problems with ordering hardware using /dev/video
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 11:34:27 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 11:21:27PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
>  
> > This flip-flopping is, AFAIK, more the fault of the newer kernel then
> > the fault of udev. If the kernel would always load the modules in the
> > same order then udev would probably assign the device nodes in a
> > consistent manner.
> 
> I disagree.  Udev is responsible for creating device nodes.  It should
> remember what devices nodes it has made in the past for different
> devices, and recreate them the same way in the futuer.

My point was that I think that the randomness is introduced by the newer
kernels. This hypothesis is based on observing sudden instability in the
assignment of my eth* device nodes, triggered by a kernel upgrade rather
than an udev upgrade. As far as I can tell, udev behaves
deterministically for any given sequence of module loading. I was not
making any statement about whether udev should do more to compensate for
the uncertain order of module loading.


Udev seems to have persistence mechanisms already anyway for important
things (e.g. persistent-net.rules, the /dev/disk/by-* symlinks).

-- 
Regards,            | 
http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |

Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:50:48 -0600
From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dpkg purge problem
Message-ID: <20070801165048.GA30076@dementia.proulx.com>
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Alexandar Angelov wrote:

> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > After fixing and running update-grub inspect the file.  If update-grub
> > runs without hanging then you should be able to purge the package.


Does running update-grub by itself complete?  Or hang?


> > If all else fails and a package simply will not pass the prerm or
> > postrm scripts then a reach-into-the-guts of the system approach is to
> > edit the /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.prerm and/or
> > /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.postrm files and hack them
> > to exit(0); so as to avoid the error.  At that point dpkg will succeed
> > without running the script.  But it won't have run the script either
> > and so that problem would need to be dealt with but some broken
> > packages have required this.
> 
> Can I get postrm script form other linux-image and change only 
> my $version      to be      = "2.6.14-2-k7";


I don't think that will help since it is very unlikely that the kernel
prerm and postrm scripts are the problem.

Bob


Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:54:23 -0400
From: "Tony Heal" <theal@pace2020.com>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: syslog help
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I am trying to move my postgresql (v7.4) logging out of the syslog and into a postgres.log. I want to do this so I can
turn on logging full bore and have logrotate keep the logs to a reasonable size.

 

Here is my problem. Postgresql v7.4 will either log to STDOUT, syslog or none. I have been looking at syslog.conf and
trying to set this up and I have what looks good, but I still get the entries in the syslog. Here is what I have for
syslog.conf

 

Local0.*     /var/log/postgresql/postgres.log

 

I also tries this with cron and that did not work either. Is this even possible? Can I redirect entries out of the
syslog into another file, or does this facility only copy the entries to another file, while maintaining them in the
syslog.

 

Tony Heal

 

 


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either. Is
this even possible? Can I redirect entries out of the syslog into =
another file,
or does this facility only copy the entries to another file, while =
maintaining
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:00:19 -0600
From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: nfs problem while internet access broken
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Stephane Durieux wrote:

> Of course the network connexion is good !
> I can ping the server 


But you said that the server cannot access the network:

> > > I encounter a problem whith my nfs stations.  If the server has
> > > not access to internet, they cannot mount their directories !


This is a contradiction.  You say that the server cannot connect to
the internet and you say that you can ping your server.  Please
explain.

Bob


Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:01:34 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to set network io priority for a process?
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 01:41:56PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
 

> Try lftp.  I know of no better ftp client.  But it is command-line, which is
> just as well: the transfer engine is well cared for, and not a secondary
> thing to the GUI.
> 


I've got lftp installed but haven't tried it.  I will.  However, I would
have thought that wget would be the cat's meow since its what
debootstrap uses.  Perhaps they only use it because its small.

Doug.


Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:07:29 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: syslog help
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:54:23PM -0400, Tony Heal wrote:

> I am trying to move my postgresql (v7.4) logging out of the syslog and
> into a postgres.log. I want to do this so I can turn on logging full
> bore and have logrotate keep the logs to a reasonable size.
> 
>  
> 
> Here is my problem. Postgresql v7.4 will either log to STDOUT, syslog
> or none. I have been looking at syslog.conf and trying to set this up
> and I have what looks good, but I still get the entries in the syslog.
> Here is what I have for syslog.conf
> 
> Local0.*     /var/log/postgresql/postgres.log
> 
> I also tries this with cron and that did not work either. Is this even
> possible? Can I redirect entries out of the syslog into another file,
> or does this facility only copy the entries to another file, while
> maintaining them in the syslog.


My /etc/syslog.conf has the following line:

*.*;auth,authpriv.none 		-/var/log/syslog

The *.* means that _everything_ logged to the syslogger goes into
/var/log/syslog.  

man syslog.conf tells us that with one line where terms are separated by
';', latter terms override earlier terms.  Assuming that your Local0.*
gives you the log you want, you should be able to append ';Local0.none'
to the *.* line to exclude them from /var/log/syslog.

Doug.


Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:08:51 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: nfs problem while internet access broken
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 11:00:19AM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:

> Stephane Durieux wrote:
> > Of course the network connexion is good !
> > I can ping the server 
> 
> But you said that the server cannot access the network:
> > > > I encounter a problem whith my nfs stations.  If the server has
> > > > not access to internet, they cannot mount their directories !
> 
> This is a contradiction.  You say that the server cannot connect to
> the internet and you say that you can ping your server.  Please
> explain.
> 


I think what he means is that:

	client  <-> server <-> internet

Client can ping server but if server is not connected to internet,
client can not mount nfs shares from server.

Doug.


Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:14:01 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: mounting usb frustration
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On 08/01/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 11:37:52PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

>> On 07/30/07 20:13, Carl Fink wrote:
>>> USB detection has been broken on Debian for years, literally.  It works fine
>>> for me with removable drives, but my Testing system will detect my Palm
>>> device once -- and never again, until I reboot.  Then I can sync once more.
>> It always works perfectly for me plugging thumb drives and a digital
>> camera.
>>
>> I've taken to using UUIDs for permanent mount points, since pmount
>> seems to bypass udev.  And udev is (was?) in such flux and the rules
>> changed on me.
>>
>> Here's a snippet from my /etc/fstab:
>>
>> UUID="c207a86c-91ac-4733-9760-93b0389e193d" /media/backup \
>>          ext3,ext2 defaults,noauto  0  2

> 
> For a shorter fstab entry, can you label a digital camera and then use
> LABEL="camera" instead?


You can do it with fixed disks that have decent filesystems, but I
doubt that anything partitioned with vfat would work.

Can't hurt to try, though...

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:37:15 -0400
From: "Tony Heal" <theal@pace2020.com>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: RE: syslog help - SOLVED
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Works great. thanks

Tony Heal
Pace Systems Group, Inc.
800-624-5999
theal@pace2020.com
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Allan Tutty [mailto:dtutty@porchlight.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:07 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: syslog help
> 
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:54:23PM -0400, Tony Heal wrote:
> > I am trying to move my postgresql (v7.4) logging out of the syslog and
> > into a postgres.log. I want to do this so I can turn on logging full
> > bore and have logrotate keep the logs to a reasonable size.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is my problem. Postgresql v7.4 will either log to STDOUT, syslog
> > or none. I have been looking at syslog.conf and trying to set this up
> > and I have what looks good, but I still get the entries in the syslog.
> > Here is what I have for syslog.conf
> >
> > Local0.*     /var/log/postgresql/postgres.log
> >
> > I also tries this with cron and that did not work either. Is this even
> > possible? Can I redirect entries out of the syslog into another file,
> > or does this facility only copy the entries to another file, while
> > maintaining them in the syslog.
> 
> My /etc/syslog.conf has the following line:
> 
> *.*;auth,authpriv.none 		-/var/log/syslog
> 
> The *.* means that _everything_ logged to the syslogger goes into
> /var/log/syslog.
> 
> man syslog.conf tells us that with one line where terms are separated by
> ';', latter terms override earlier terms.  Assuming that your Local0.*
> gives you the log you want, you should be able to append ';Local0.none'
> to the *.* line to exclude them from /var/log/syslog.
> 
> Doug.
> 
> 
> --
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:21:07 +0200
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Udev. Problems with ordering hardware using /dev/video
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 00:45:54 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:

> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 19:47:51 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:


[...]


> > > My TV card was set as /dev/video0, and some time later the webcam was set
> > > as /dev/video1. this works fine with the pre 2.6.17 kernels (no Udev),
> > > and the TV card consistently is /dev/video0, and the webcam /dev/video1.
> > > Booting with the 2.6.17 kernel is a different scenario. Very hit and
> > > miss. Sometimes I boot up and starting Xawtv, I get the TV /dev/video0.
> > > Othertimes I bootup and start Xawtv, and get my webcam /dev/video1.


[...]


> Output below. Bear in mind that /dev/video0 should be the TV card, /dev/video1 
> the webcam, at least that is how they are loaded with pre Udev kernels.


[...]


> djmons@debian:~$ udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video0)


[...]


>   looking at device '/class/video4linux/video0':
>     KERNEL=="video0"
>     SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux"
>     DRIVER==""
>     ATTR{exposure}=="0"
>     ATTR{hue}=="128"
>     ATTR{contrast}=="54"
>     ATTR{saturation}=="110"
>     ATTR{brightness}=="124"
>     ATTR{sensor}=="OV7620"
>     ATTR{bridge}=="OV511+"
>     ATTR{model}=="Generic Camera _no ID_"
>     ATTR{custom_id}=="0"
>     ATTR{name}=="OV511 USB Camera"
>     ATTR{dev}=="81:0"


[...]


> djmons@debian:~$ udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video1)


[...]


>   looking at device '/class/video4linux/video1':
>     KERNEL=="video1"
>     SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux"
>     DRIVER==""
>     ATTR{card}=="10"
>     ATTR{name}=="BT878 video _Hauppauge _bt878__"
>     ATTR{dev}=="81:1"


[...]


> I saw that someone with network device problems, and Udev, was able to specify 
> the devices by name on 2 separate lines, so that Udev always recognised them 
> by name. I don't know if something similar is possible with my situation with 
> the TV card, and the webcam.


For network cards see: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules.

/usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html describes in detail
how udev rules work. Based on the output that you posted this should
get you started:

### START ###

SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", \
  ATTR{name}=="BT878 video _Hauppauge _bt878__", \
  NAME="video0"

SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", \
  ATTR{name}=="OV511 USB Camera", \ 
  NAME="video1"

### END ###

Put these rules into a file "local-tvwebcam.rules" in /etc/udev/ with
ownership and permissions like the other *.rules files in this
directory. Then create a symlink ("ln -s ...") in /etc/udev/rules.d/
which points to your rules file. The names in rules.d determine the
order in which the rules are tested. You might have to experiment a bit;
I would try to start with something like 010_... .

My experience with network cards was that the NAME assignments sometimes
did not work reliably if I tried to use them to swap two existing
(kernel) names (i.e. eth0 and eth1). If you have similar problems then
it is probably best to replace the two NAME assignments in the rules by
two SYMLINK directives:

### START ###

SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", \
  ATTR{name}=="BT878 video _Hauppauge _bt878__", \
  SYMLINK+="mytvcard"

SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", \
  ATTR{name}=="OV511 USB Camera", \ 
  SYMLINK+="mywebcam"

### END ###

This will give you /dev/mytvcard and /dev/mywebcam as symlinks which
should always point to the correct /dev/video? device. Then you just
have to reconfigure your applications once to use the device symlinks
instead of the video? nodes.

-- 
Regards,            | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |


Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:50:23 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: List Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Firefox \ Iceweasel Differences?
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On Jul 31, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:

> Why not just code to the standard instead of to a browser, do your
> testing in an ACID compliant browser like Konqueror (instead of a
> browser that can't render to the standard), and then call it good?  If
> it looks good there, it'll look just as good in any browser that
> actually complies with the standard or does a reasonably good job
> faking it?


In this vein, I've found a *lot* of strange incompatibilities between  
browsers go away if I use a proper DOCTYPE header and check my HTML  
with W3C's validator.  It seems without a document type each browser  
renders according to its particular best guess, which isn't very  
dependable, and lot of what I thought were browser bugs turned out to  
be me not following the standard. ;)


Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:10:43 +0100
From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Compile Question
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:47:51 +0200
Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es> wrote:

Hello Florian,


> > Sometimes, I just have to bend to TOBAC's wishes.
> The Town of Oyster Bay Arts Council makes you switch off your
> computer? Now I am even more confused than Andrew...


The Old Ball And Chain =3D=3D The Wife.

Also, sometimes recorded as SWMBO;  She Who Must Be Obeyed.


> (Don't you look at me like that, I did in fact consult google.)

=20
So did I.  Guess what?  Top hit was exactly what you found.   :-)

--=20
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"

Well you tried it just the once and found it alright for kicks
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:11:33 +0100
From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Compile Question
Message-ID: <20070801191133.18038459@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:59:42 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:

Hello Andrew,


> TOBAC?


Answered in my reply to Florian.

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:33:14 -0300
From: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to set network io priority for a process?
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 01:41:56PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > Try lftp.  I know of no better ftp client.  But it is command-line, which is
> > just as well: the transfer engine is well cared for, and not a secondary
> > thing to the GUI.
> 
> I've got lftp installed but haven't tried it.  I will.  However, I would
> have thought that wget would be the cat's meow since its what
> debootstrap uses.  Perhaps they only use it because its small.


wget is for script use.  lftp is for interactive use :-)

And AFAIK curl is supposed to be better than wget for script use, but I
won't go into that topic.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh


Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:54:59 +0200
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: A question of fonts
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 23:28:01 +0100, andy wrote:

> Florian Kulzer wrote:

>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 21:35:50 +0100, andy wrote:

[...]

>>> I have yet to try changing fontconfig/hinting_type to "Native" but will 
>>> when a decent reason to shut X down presents in terms of work flow.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on the conf file settings?
>>
>> The fons.conf file is consistent with your Xft settings. Which desktop
>> environment or WM are you using?
>>

> Sorry - forgot you asked me that. I predominantly use Gnome, but switch to 
> Xfce from time-to-time. I login using GDM.


Then I don't have any idea what could mess with your font settings. I
have meanwhile checked out xmms and indeed the fonts look worse (though
not as bad as in my intentionally screwed up iceweasel screenshot):

http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer/fontconfig/xmms-fonts.png

(Umlauts seem to work fine, so there does not seem to be a fundamental
 problem with using xmms in an *.UTF-8 locale.)

On the other hand, you should never have such problems with iceweasel.
It would help if you could put a few example screenshots somewhere. I am
starting to suspect that I might be barking up the wrong tree with the
hinting business.

-- 
Regards,            | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |

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