Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:19:55 +0200
From: Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil.debian@gmx.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dpkg purge problem
Message-ID: <20070802071955.GB5417@faerie>
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Hello
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 11:15:50PM +0300, Alexandar Angelov wrote:
> On Tuesday 31 July 2007, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:15:19AM +0300, Sasho Angelov wrote:
> > > When I try to purge old linux image:
> > >
> > > sudo dpkg --purge --force-all linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7
> >
> > Why --force-all ?
> >
> Without --force-all the result is the same.
> >
> > Which debconf frontend do you use? I've had that happen to me when I
> > "accidentally" used the GNOME front-end. Not a problem, unless you're on
> > a virtual console and DISPLAY is set - then it shows the GUI on the X
> > display that I'm not looking at.... Took me a while to figure out...
>=20
>=20
> I install this package with dpkg in virtual console. When i try to purge =
this=20
> package with stopped X server the result is not different .
I can't help you to solve the problem, to say it first. But I had the
exactly the same Problem with a self-compiled 2.6.14 kernel (from the
kernel-source-2.6.14 package) and packaged with make-kpkg.
Trying to "remove" the package worked everytime fine, put when I tried
to purge the 2.6.14-kernel then I got the same error as You. I
unfurtunatly don't remember with which "version" of make-kpkg (i.e.
kernel-package) i compiled it, but comparing then the remove-script of
my kernel-image-2.6.14 deb there was a difference with later
remove-scripts. Maybee so a "idea" could be to analize the
remove-script under /var/lib/dpkg/info in the (probably) apropriate
postrm-Script?
Sorry for my bad english,
Regards
Salvatore
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:01:57 +0000 (UTC)
From: Steven <hairpinblue@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Iceweasel 2.0.0.5 and /dev/hda
Message-ID:
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If I try `strings -a /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin | less` and then=20
search the output for "Peter" I find a reference to MACOS WebStar FTP /=20
MACOS Peter's Server. Is this normal?
Also, if I `dd if=3D/dev/hda of=3Dtest bs=3D512 count=3D16384 && strings =
-a test=20
| less` I see several explicit module paths, a reference to an old kernel=
=20
which isn't on the system anymore (that I know of), and what looks like=20
an irc proxy.
The relevant output from strings firefox:
http://www.mozi lla.org/credits/
chrome://global/content/mozilla. xhtml
chrome://global/content/plugins.html
chrom e://global/content/config.xul
chrome://global/con tent/logo.gif
chrome://global/content/buildconfig .html
chrome://global/content/license.html
chrom e://global/content/aboutAbout.html
chrome://globa l/content/netError.xhtml
f`u!
network.ftp.idleCo nnectionTimeout
nP6B
4B]E0
text/ftp-dir
%llu
UNIX
MACOS Peter's Server
MACOS WebSTAR FTP
OS/390
windows
WIN32
OS/2
PASS
PASS xxxxx
EPSV
PASV
REST
servertype
LIST *.*;0
LIST
SIZE
CWD
TYPE I
ACCT noaccount
SYST
advanced.mailftp
mozilla@example .com
USER
RETR
MDTM
STOR
%ld,%ld,%ld,%ld,%ld, %ld
@mozilla.org/passwordmanager;1
network.ftp.a nonymous_password
Af]_RO
SnsHttpBasicAuth::Gener ateCredentials [challenge=3D%s]
basic
o@mozilla.org/security/hash ;1
realm
The relevant output from dd /dev/hda:
/usr/lib/klibc/bin/sleep
/usr/lib/kli bc/bin/true
/usr/lib/klibc/bin/umount
/usr/lib/k libc/bin/uname
/usr/lib/klibc/bin/zcat
/etc/init ramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
/etc/initramfs-tools/c onf.d/resume
/bin/busybox
/lib/i686/cmov/libcryp t.so.1
/lib/i686/cmov/libm.so.6
/lib/i686/cmov/l ibc.so.6
/lib/ld-linux.so.2
/bin/busybox
/sbin/ modprobe
/sbin/depmod
/sbin/rmmod
F0p|F)
F/p|F )
arch/i386
/lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modprobe .conf
/lib/modules/2.6.22-1-686/kernel/drivers/vi deo/vgastate.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.22-1-686/kernel/ drivers/video/vga16fb.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.22-1-68 6/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.ko
/lib/modules/2.6.22- 1-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/processor.ko
/lib/modul es/2.6.22-1-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko
.. /permissions.rules
../persistent.rules
../persis tent-input.rules
../run.rules
../hotplug.rules
/sbin/udevd
../persistent-net-generator.rules
.. /udev.rules
../alsa-utils.rules
../hdparm.rules
/lib/udev/ata_id
/lib/udev/cdrom_id
/lib/udev/e dd_id
/lib/udev/path_id
/lib/udev/scsi_id
/lib/ udev/usb_id
/lib/udev/vol_id
/lib/libvolume_id.s o.0
boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23-rc1-070724
FL~8F
boot/i nitrd.img-2.6.22-1-686
boot/initrd.img-2.6.23-rc1 -070724
and a little further on:
:are supported by this server
:%s 251 %s :There are 0 users and 0 invisible on 1 servers
:%s 255 %s :I have 0 clients, 0 services and 0 servers
:%s 422 %s :MOTD File is missing
:%s 306 %s :You have been marked as being away
:%s 366 %s %s :End of /NAMES list.
remove_client
proxy_redirect_event
sig_li sten_client
sig_listen
sig_incoming
sig_server_ event
rec !=3D NULL
proxy client disconnected
proxy %p
PASS
NICK
USER
QUIT
PING
:%s PONG %s :%s
PROXY
CTCP ON
CTCP OFF
WHOIS
whois
ISON
ison
USERHOST
userhost
MODE
%s %s
mode channel
mode b
mode e
mode I
PRIVMSG
PRIVMSG %s
message own_private
message own_public
ACTION
message irc own_action
message irc own_ctcp
AWAY
server disconnected
event nick
setup changed
Proxy: Client disconnected from %s
:%s NOTICE %s :Another client is now receiving CTCPs sent to %s
:%s NOTICE %s :You're now receiving CTCPs sent to %s
:%s NOTICE %s :Proxy is now handling itself CTCPs sent to %s
:%s NOTICE %s :Not connected to server
Proxy: Client connected from %s
:%s NOTICE %s :Connected to server
:%s NOTICE %s :Connection lost to server %s
PART %s :Connection lost to server
Proxy: can not resolve '%s' - aborting
Proxy: Listen in port %d failed: %s
.shstrtab
.hash
=20
# libirc_proxy.la - a libtool library file
# Generated by ltmain.sh - GNU libtool 1.5.20 (1.1220.2.287 2005/08/3=
1
18:54:15)# Please DO NOT delete this file!
# It is necessary for linking the library.
# The name that we can dlopen(3).
dlname=3D'libirc_proxy.so.0'
# Names of this library.
library_names=3D'libirc_proxy.so.0.0.0 libirc_proxy.so.0=20
libirc_proxy.so'
# The name of the static archive.
old_library=3D'libirc_proxy.a'
# Libraries that this one depends upon.
dependency_libs=3D''
# Version information for libirc_proxy.
current=3D0
age=3D0
revision=3D0
# Is this an already installed library?
installed=3Dyes
# Should we warn about portability when linking against -modules?
shouldnotlink=3Dyes
# Files to dlopen/dlpreopen
dlopen=3D''
dlpreopen=3D''
# Directory that this library needs to be installed in:
gui dialog
Warning!! Password not specified, everyone can use this proxy! Use /set
irssiproxy_password password to set it :%s 332 %s %s :%s :%s 333 %s %s %s=
=20
%d :%s 001 %s :Welcome to the Internet Relay Network :%s 002 %s :Your=20
host is irssi-proxy, running version %s :%s 003 %s :This server was=20
created ... :%s 004 %s %s %s oirw abiklmnopqstv :%s 004 %s %s %s oirw=20
abeIiklmnopqstv :are supported by this server :%s 251 %s :There are 0=20
users and 0 invisible on 1 servers :%s 255 %s :I have 0 clients, 0=20
services and 0 servers :%s 422 %s :MOTD File is missing :%s 306 %s :You=20
have been marked as being away :%s 366 %s %s :End of /NAMES list.
GCC: (GNU) 4.0.3 (Debian 4.0.3-1)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:25:47 -0600
From: Telly Williams <twilliams001@elp.rr.com>
To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Ownership Question
Message-ID: <20070802072547.GD17885@elp.rr.com>
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Hi,
Most of my files/folders are owned by root. It's starting to seem like that's not such a great idea because a few of the programs that I use don't like
you to be root when you run them.
So I'm thinking that I should start recursively changing the ownership of my files to the local user, as I'm the only user of this computer anyways. I'm
not sure if
I said what I said correctly, but is changing my ownership drastically like this a good idea? Isn't it bad to have so many files owned by root? If my system
got
compromised then they could do whatever.
--
Telly Williams
"Knowledge Is Power"
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:22:49 +0100
From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Compile Question
Message-ID: <20070802082249.623cb4f7@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:25:22 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
Hello Andrew,
> I'm simply replying to up the google ranking so that the next poor sap
> to encounter TOBAC or SWMBO will maybe get lucky...
:-))
--=20
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
Love is a temple, love is a shrine
You Have Placed A Chill In My Heart - Eurythmics
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 02:03:57 -0600
From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Ownership Question
Message-ID: <20070802080357.GA10035@dementia.proulx.com>
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Telly Williams wrote:
> ... is changing my ownership drastically like this a good idea?
That would be a very bad idea. Trust us. Things were set up the way
that they were set up for a reason. It was not simply an accident.
> Isn't it bad to have so many files owned by root?
No. In fact it would be bad to have them owned by any user other than
root.
> If my system got compromised then they could do whatever.
If your system was compromised then they could do whatever regardless
of the ownership of those files.
Note that I am assuming that you are talking about system files.
Files in your $HOME directory should be owned by you of course.
It would be best to simply continue using the system until you learn
more about it. When you understand how your system works then you
will realize that root is the best owner for those files. Later you
will look back on this and laugh.
Bob
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:45:55 +0000 (UTC)
From: Tim Frink <plfriko@yahoo.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Disable RAM
Message-ID: <f8s23j$oo4$1@janice.cs.uni-dortmund.de>
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Hi,
I want to test how a program would run with a reduced physical
memory. The machine has currently 4 GB RAM running Debian. I'd
like to evaluate the performance of the system with 2 GB physical
RAM. Of course, I could remove on of the RAM modules. But, is
there also a way to disable the physical memory by software?
Regards,
Tim
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 02:17:48 -0600
From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Disable RAM
Message-ID: <20070802081748.GA10316@dementia.proulx.com>
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Tim Frink wrote:
> I want to test how a program would run with a reduced physical
> memory. The machine has currently 4 GB RAM running Debian. I'd
> like to evaluate the performance of the system with 2 GB physical
> RAM. Of course, I could remove on of the RAM modules. But, is
> there also a way to disable the physical memory by software?
At boot time specify the "mem=VALUE" parameter to the linux kernel.
This is easily done with grub at the grub boot screen by adding the
parameter to the end of the existing boot options.
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/hda5 ro mem=2G
Bob
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:28:28 +0200
From: Ivan Glushkov <glushkov@mail.desy.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: kde command line desktop switching
Message-ID: <46B1A3BC.1000606@mail.desy.de>
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Hi,
Does anybody know a shell command that switches to the next desktop in
KDE? I am developing a small C++ application which creates a few
windows, which would overlap in one desktop, so I was wondering of there
is a way to make them appear on two desktops.
Cheers,
Ivan
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:12:33 -0000
From: rocky <rocky2winnie@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Set up LAN Debian Etch server
Message-ID: <1186045953.060192.280190@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hey,
My desktop has Debian Etch running on it. I have another laptop has
latest Ubuntu installed on it. I want my Debian Etch box to serve as
file server so I can back up the files from Ubuntu laptop to Debian
desktop.
I installed nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server on my Debian Etch box. In
the /etc/exports and /etc/hosts I made the corresponding
configurations. From Ubuntu's shell I install and started the nfs-
common and created a directory /mnt/private. But mount rocky-desk:/
home/lover/shareTest /mnt/private/ makes owner and group of the /mnt/
private to nagios. The permission for that is 644. My user name for
the Ubuntu box is not nagios. I do not even use root to change /mnt/
private 's permission. Can any of you tell me how I can make the
ubuntu box's /mnt/private directory with correct user & group so I can
read and write the files stored on Debian Etch box please?
Blessings,
Rocky
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:26:21 +0200
From: Gerard Robin <g.robin3@free.fr>
To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: lost Applications -> Debian in the menus ?
Message-ID: <20070802102621.GA7739@free.fr>
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Hello,
I have lost Debian in the menu.
update-menus, gives nothing.
How can I regenerate in the menus: Debian -> ....? (not manually)
I run unstable on acer aspire 5102wlmi amd64 kernel: 2.6.18-4-amd64=20
(gnome metacity)
thinks in advance for any help.
--=20
G=E9rard
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:27:17 +0200
From: "Mihamina (R12y) Rakotomandimby" <mihamina.rakotomandimby@etu.univ-orleans.fr>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: KDevelop, QUanta SVN
Message-Id: <200708021327.17858.mihamina.rakotomandimby@etu.univ-orleans.fr>
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Hi all,
What actions have I got to perform in order to be able to svn commit directly
from Quanta or Kdevelop?
I use KDE 3.5 on Debian.
Thank you.
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:46:40 +0200 (CEST)
From: Stephane Durieux <durieux42@yahoo.fr>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: nfs problem while internet access broken
Message-ID: <285217.34574.qm@web27804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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--- Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> a =E9crit
:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 11:00:19AM -0600, Bob Proulx
> wrote:
> > Stephane Durieux wrote:
> > > Of course the network connexion is good !
> > > I can ping the server=20
> >=20
> > But you said that the server cannot access the
> network:
> > > > > I encounter a problem whith my nfs stations.
> If the server has
> > > > > not access to internet, they cannot mount
> their directories !
> >=20
> > This is a contradiction. You say that the server
> cannot connect to
> > the internet and you say that you can ping your
> server. Please
> > explain.
> >=20
>=20
> I think what he means is that:
>=20
> client <-> server <-> internet
>=20
> Client can ping server but if server is not
> connected to internet,
> client can not mount nfs shares from server.
>=20
> Doug.
client <-> server <-X-> internet=20
That is exactly my issue . Excuse me for not being
clear ! Anyway, has somebody a solution .
I have read that client and server must be able to
make a reverse resolution of the client and the
server, but I am not sure of it and I don t have an in
depth knowledge of nfs .=20
Thanks for reply
=20
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___________________________________________________________________=
__________=20
Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! M=
ail=20
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:37:52 +0200
From: Mario Galanti <mario.galanti@ct.infn.it>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: kde command line desktop switching
Message-ID: <f8sfhm$ttl$1@aioe.org>
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Ivan Glushkov wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anybody know a shell command that switches to the next desktop in
> KDE? I am developing a small C++ application which creates a few
> windows, which would overlap in one desktop, so I was wondering of there
> is a way to make them appear on two desktops.
>
> Cheers,
> Ivan
>
>
Hi Ivan,
you might want to try kstart, which is included in a standard KDE install.
It lets you start applications setting several window-related properties.
Cheers,
Mario.
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:42:27 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Iceweasel 2.0.0.5 and /dev/hda
Message-ID: <20070802124227.GA8690@titan>
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On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 07:01:57AM +0000, Steven wrote:
> Also, if I `dd if=/dev/hda of=test bs=512 count=16384 && strings -a test
> | less` I see several explicit module paths, a reference to an old kernel
> which isn't on the system anymore (that I know of), and what looks like
> an irc proxy.
>
[snip related to iceweasel] I don't know. Perhaps you should get the
iceweasel source and search for the strings of interest and see why
they're there.
> The relevant output from dd /dev/hda:
>
[snip]
What is the question re /dev/hda? 'deleting' a file on a filesystem
simply removes the file name out of a directory listing and marks the
inodes as free. The data is still left on the drive untill written
over. Actually, even after being written over its still possible to
retrieve it forensically.
What you are showing is a prime example of why its a good idea to have
an encrypted swap and /tmp on tmpfs so that nothing from memory or /tmp
can end up on the drive enclare.
Doug.
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:47:10 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Ownership Question
Message-ID: <20070802124710.GB8690@titan>
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On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 01:25:47AM -0600, Telly Williams wrote:
>
>Most of my files/folders are owned by root. It's starting to seem like
>that's not such a great idea because a few of the programs that I use
>don't like you to be root when you run them.
>
>So I'm thinking that I should start recursively changing the ownership
>of my files to the local user, as I'm the only user of this computer
>anyways. I'm not sure if I said what I said correctly, but is changing
>my ownership drastically like this a good idea? Isn't it bad to have
>so many files owned by root? If my system got compromised then they
>could do whatever.
>
You should only run root when you need to run root, and your umask
should be conservative. You should probably read harden-doc although
realize that it is a little out of date. You should _never_ run the
xserver as root. Run as a normal user and use su (or some such) to
become root only as needed.
Are these files/folders in /root? If so, the easiest way would be to,
as root, move them into your normal user's home directory then do a
chown -R user.user on the whole directory.
Doug.
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:06:32 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: nfs problem while internet access broken
Message-ID: <20070802130632.GC8690@titan>
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On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 01:46:40PM +0200, Stephane Durieux wrote:
> --- Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> a ?crit
> > > > > > I encounter a problem whith my nfs stations.
> > If the server has
> > > > > > not access to internet, they cannot mount
> > their directories !
> > >
> > I think what he means is that:
> >
> > client <-> server <-> internet
> >
> > Client can ping server but if server is not
> > connected to internet,
> > client can not mount nfs shares from server.
> >
> client <-> server <-X-> internet
>
> That is exactly my issue . Excuse me for not being
> clear ! Anyway, has somebody a solution .
> I have read that client and server must be able to
> make a reverse resolution of the client and the
> server, but I am not sure of it and I don t have an in
> depth knowledge of nfs .
>
With the internet off, check:
ping from client to server by name
ping from server to client by name
Send us /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf, /etc/hosts.*, /etc/nsswitch.conf
Do you have a firewall that perhaps is changing config depending on
internet status? What firewall do you use?
Relavent error messages:
1. take a copy of /var/log/syslog on each machine.
2. Try to mount an NFS directory
3. Record any visible error messages on either box
4. Take another copy of /var/log/syslog on each machine and diff
with the previous copy, and send the diffs, snipping off
extraneous or sensitive data.
Good luck,
Doug.
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:02:34 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to set network io priority for a process?
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 11:03:50PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 09:49:41PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wro=
te:
> =20
> > It certainly can do what you want, if you leave it running and use it a=
s a
> > shell and not as a single-command download tool. lftp can carry as many
> > transfers in parallel as needed, to as many sites as needed, and bounce=
from
> > one to another as needed. Pause them, queue them, stop them, etc.
> >=20
> > If you need to detach lftp from terminals and access it remotely, scree=
n is
> > your friend.
>=20
> It sounds like it will do everything I need except be persistant over
> reboots. I'm also going to look into curl.
According to the description it is scriptable. You could write an=20
initscript ...
Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:09:02 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Caps Lock don't work
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 11:12:32PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
=20
> I used the same problem on my i386 since I switched to Etch. The caps
> lock worked but but numbers were also shifted. The only time I noticed
Hhhm, this behaviour is typical to German keyboard layouts (maybe others=20
too).=20
Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)
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