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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2087

Today's Topics:

  Re: [Semi-solved] Re: Getting Firefo  [ Andrew Sackville-West  Debian in t  [ Andrew Sackville-West  Debian in t  [ Gerard Robin  ]
  Re: sound does not work with Intel C  [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: sound does not work with Intel C  [ Florian Kulzer 
  ifup fails but iwconfig and dhclient  [ pizzapie_linuxanchovies <embedded@v ]
  MS Word under wine/crossover office   [ Tyler Smith <tyler.smith@mail.mcgil ]

Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 10:48:21 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [Semi-solved] Re: Getting Firefox/Iceweasel to open text/pgp

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 07:38:36PM -0300, Rog=E9rio Brito wrote:
> Hi, Andrew.

>=20

> On Aug 01 2007, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 05:55:58PM -0300, Rog=E9rio Brito wrote:
> > > So, in light of this would anybody know how to force Firefox (etc) to
> > > open the files instead of trying to launch, say, less for such files?
> >=20
> > I'm sure there is a 'proper' way to do this, but the quick hack which
> > works right now is to specify /usr/bin/firefox (or iceweasel,
> > whatever) as the program to use to open this file (instead of the
> > default less).
>=20

> Yes, how did you do that? I did that by creation of a .mailcap file here
> with the inclusion of the proper entry, but I could not do it inside the
> browser itself, which is a shame. :-(

okay, when you click on the *.changes file, it should be popping up a dialog asking what to do with the file: whether to open it with less or save the file. You can change the program used to open the file. The dialog says "You have chosen to open... What should iceweasel do with this file?" select "Open With", click the list box to the right, select "Other..." enter /usr/bin/firefox in the file picker and away you go.=20

>=20

> > Works here, but forces the download dialog to appear as well (though
> > that is a configurable item in edit->preferences. That's not really
> > what you're after though, i'd bet.
>=20

> Yes, that's a semi-solution to the problem, but I could find an
> extension to the browser somewhere with Google that makes it open things
> with the browser, but as I don't want to have extensions (I want here a
> pretty minimal environment), I'm using the mailcap hack. :-(
>=20
>=20

can you post your mailcap hack?

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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 10:51:52 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: lost Applications -> Debian in the menus ? Message-ID: <20070802175152.GP32121@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 07:37:31PM +0200, Gerard Robin wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 11:35:24AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

>> From: Manoj Srivastava 
>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject:  Re: lost Applications -> Debian in the menus ?
>
>
>>> This might be a result of the menu transition[0] and maybe worth a
>>> report, if there isn???t already one.
>>
>>        I think this is by design; the GNOME folks seem to think that
>> the Debian menu is bloated, confusing, and duplicates the neat ,
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>> functional, ergonomic Gnome menu, so the default is to hide the ugly >> duckling. >

> I agree with them, the menu Debian duplicates the general menu, but not
> entirely and now there are many tools missing. Anyway, I am putting them
> manually in the general menu ...

I agree that the Debian menu duplicates the general menu, but, with the exception of GNOME specific tools, it usually has more stuff in it than the GNOME menus. at least on my boxes. I like having the debian menu as it means i get the same menu on any box regardless of the window manager in use (well, assuming the WM has a menu...)

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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:37:31 +0200
From: Gerard Robin <g.robin3@free.fr>
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On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 11:35:24AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

>From: Manoj Srivastava 
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject:  Re: lost Applications -> Debian in the menus ?


>> This might be a result of the menu transition[0] and maybe worth a
>> report, if there isn???t already one.
>

> I think this is by design; the GNOME folks seem to think that
> the Debian menu is bloated, confusing, and duplicates the neat ,
> functional, ergonomic Gnome menu, so the default is to hide the ugly
> duckling.

I agree with them, the menu Debian duplicates the general menu, but not entirely and now there are many tools missing. Anyway, I am putting them manually in the general menu ...

Thanks.
--=20
G=E9rard

Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 10:54:31 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: sound does not work with Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER

Don't know where to look next?X

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On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 07:06:59PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 07:42:49 -0700, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:

=2E..

> >=20
> > Loading driver...
> > Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspen=
d|resume}

>=20

> This is where things do wrong: Instead of directly reloading the sound
> modules (as it did in earlier versions) the script now calls
> /etc/init.d/alsa with an undefined action specification. It seems that
> alsaconf is more or less depreciated, see for example the reactions to
> bugs #430624 and #432678.=20

=2E..

>=20

> Try to run:
>=20

> udevtrigger -v --subsystem-match=3Dsound
>=20

> or modprobe the sound modules manually.=20
>=20

wouldn't=20

Confused? Frustrated?X

/etc/init.d/alsa reload

work as well?

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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:48:00 -0400
From: Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <kamaraju@bluebottle.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: sound does not work with Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R)

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Florian Kulzer wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 07:42:49 -0700, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> It seems that
> alsaconf is more or less depreciated, see for example the reactions to
> bugs #430624 and #432678.
>

Thanks. Someone should update the wiki regarding this. I was reading

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSound?highlight=%28sound%29http://wiki.debian.org/SoundFAQ?highlight=%28sound%29http://wiki.debian.org/Sound

etc., and used alsaconf to configure my sound card.

raju

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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:36:29 -0400 From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Disable RAM Message-ID: <jwv643xzvvk.fsf-monnier+linux.debian.user@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> I want to test how a program would run with a reduced physical >> memory. The machine has currently 4 GB RAM running Debian. I'd >> like to evaluate the performance of the system with 2 GB physical >> RAM. Of course, I could remove on of the RAM modules. But, is >> there also a way to disable the physical memory by software?
> At boot time specify the "mem=VALUE" parameter to the linux kernel.
> This is easily done with grub at the grub boot screen by adding the
> parameter to the end of the existing boot options.

> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/hda5 ro mem=2G
Or without rebooting, or should be able to eat up 2GB or RAM by writing a little program (run as root, obviously) which allocates 2GB and locks those pages in RAM (a feature typically used to satisfy real-time contraints or to ensure a piece of sensitive information is never written to disk). Try "man mlock". Stefan

Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:09:48 -0400 From: Wayne Topa <linuxone@intergate.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Bridged Network Question Message-ID: <20070802190948.GA766@buddy.mtntop.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have been using an old laptop as an Access Point for our laptops to connect to the internet through the main box -> modem connection. The Lan (eth0) is bridged with a Netgear WG511U PCMCIA card (ath0) to connect to the gatway computer. It works fine, as an AP, but has one problem. The AP itself can not connect to the internet through the gatway. The only way to update the AP's software is to change /etc/network/interfaces from the bridged setup to just a Lan setup, reboot, do the update/upgrade, change the interfaces file back to the bridged mode and reboot again. I have googled for an answer to this problem for the past 4 months, without finding any answers. Either I didn't use the correct search terms or no one else has had the same problem. I would like to move the AP to an old 500Mhz headless box so that I can setup the firewall and a mailserver, etc on it and free up the laptop. I can't see how to do that with the above problem. Here is the current bridged interfaces file. I would appreciate any input on how I might go about fixing this. ------ /etc/init.d/interfaces mapping hotplug script grep map eth0 ath0 # The primary network interface # #0000:05:00.0: 3Com PCI 3CCFE575CT Tornado CardBus at 0x4800. #Vers LK1.1.19 auto eth0 iface eth0 inet manual # Netgear WG511U PCMCIA Double 108 Mbps Card ## Bring up ath0 with the correct wifi settings # "manual" causes it to bring up the interface without TCP/IP (which auto ath0 iface ath0 inet manual pre-up wlanconfig ath0 destroy pre-up wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode ap # remove the ath0 device when bringing the interface down post-down ifconfig ath0 down post-down wlanconfig ath0 destroy post-down ifconfig eth0 down post-down ifconfig br0 down post-down brctl delbr br0 post-down ifconfig eth0 up iwpriv ath0 bgscan 0 wireless-mode master wireless-channel 6 wireless-essid Mtntop_AP # The Debian Bridge method auto br0 iface br0 inet static address 192.168.1.8 network 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.3 # bridge_ports all # this doesn't bring up ath0 bridge_ports ath0 eth0 route add default gateway 192.168.1.3 ---------------- Thanks for 'any' suggestions! Wayne -- What boots up must come down. _______________________________________________________

Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:56:05 +0200 From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: sound does not work with Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Message-ID: <20070802185605.GA15794@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 10:54:31 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 07:06:59PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
[...]
> > Try to run:
> >
> > udevtrigger -v --subsystem-match=sound
> >
> > or modprobe the sound modules manually.
> >
>
> wouldn't
>
> /etc/init.d/alsa reload
>
> work as well?
It did not work when I tried it. Here is a snippet from /etc/init.d/alsa (alsa-utils 1.0.14-1): ------------------------------------------------------------------------ case "$1" in unload) unload_modules all || exit $? ;; reload) EXITSTATUS=0 unload_modules all || EXITSTATUS=1 load_unloaded_modules || EXITSTATUS=1 exit $EXITSTATUS ;; ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The first part is fine: alsaconf calls "/etc/init.d/alsa unload", which unloads all sound modules and saves a list of the module names in /var/run/alsa/modules-removed (if /var/run/alsa/ exists). The problem is that unload_modules starts out by zeroing the list of modules whenever it is called (:> /var/run/alsa/modules-removed). Therefore, if you run "/etc/init.d/alsa reload" while no sound modules are loaded then it will generate an empty list of removed modules and then it will proceed to reload every single module on that list. Just try this on an up-to-date Sid: Do an alsa "unload" followed by a "reload". [1][2] The old version of alsaconf did "modprobe $DRIVER" directly which worked as long as it managed to figure out the correct name of the main sound module. Now it calls the alsa startup script with the undefined action "restart" and you get the error that Raju reported. However, "reload" would not work either. [1] I dare you, I double-dare you! [2] I just realized that udevtrigger with the subsystem match does not work reliably to reload the sound modules on my system. I have to run udevtrigger without this option to get the modules loaded again. -- Regards, | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian |

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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:37:18 +0200 From: Ivan Glushkov <glushkov@mail.desy.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: kde command line desktop switching Message-ID: <46B2326E.1020404@mail.desy.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Davide Mancusi wrote:
> Ivan Glushkov ha scritto:
>> Hi, >> >> Does anybody know a shell command that switches to the next desktop in >> KDE? I am developing a small C++ application which creates a few >> windows, which would overlap in one desktop, so I was wondering of >> there is a way to make them appear on two desktops.
>
> You might want to have a look at dcop, too. In its man page you will
> find exactly the example you need:
> $ dcop kwin KWinInterface nextDesktop
That's exactly what I needed + it worked nicely. Thanks a lot. Cheers, Ivan

Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:04:03 -0500 From: Rodney Richison <rodney@rcrcomputing.com> To: users debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: cheap scsi card recomendation Message-ID: <46B238B3.9040208@rcrcomputing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've about 20 of old netserver lpr machines that have the old megaraid raid card. The kernal has dropped support for these cards. I'm tired of dealing with it. Can someone recomend a card that will work well with a stock debian that I might find on ebay? The drives are ultra3 18g (only raid 1 needed, do NOT need raid 5) 10rpm hard drives -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by RCRnet, and is believed to be clean.

Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:48:34 -0600 From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: nfs problem while internet access broken Message-ID: <20070802204834.GA18957@dementia.proulx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Stephane Durieux wrote:
> client <-> server <-X-> internet
>
> That is exactly my issue . Excuse me for not being
> clear ! Anyway, has somebody a solution .
> I have read that client and server must be able to
> make a reverse resolution of the client and the
> server, but I am not sure of it and I don t have an in
> depth knowledge of nfs .
The nfs server will try to do a dns lookup of the client ip address to find the client hostname for the purpose of logging this information to the system logs. One the server can the client IP address be resolved? $ ssh server $ host A.B.C.D # look up client IP address Does that succeed? Example: $ ssh www.example.com host 208.77.188.166 166.188.77.208.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer www.example.com. I suspect that your DNS on the server is not functioning. Bob

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:19:36 +0300 From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Large initrd [Was: Re: booting problem (udev related?)] Message-ID: <20070802211936.GA4156@think.homenet> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 10:35:01AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: =20
> same here. interesting. I'll have to play with that. You could
> probably tighten it up even more by using the 'list' option and
> putting a minimum-necessary list in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules. At
> least that's how I read it.=20
That's too much hacking for my taste.
> So what is the significance of initrd size? (other than the obvious
> filling up /boot issue). Is it really a problem to have "most" modules
> in there? I can think of some situations where it might be nice to
> have most of them -- mobo fails catastrophically and you want to be
> able to just boot, for example.=20
This is about it. Debian wants to provide an initrd that works even ehn=20 changing hardware. Same reason for installing all -xorg-video-foo=20 packages.
> Finally, I have on this (sid) system both initrd-tools and
> initramfs-tools installed. The latter is brought in by the kernel
> dependencies, and the former is manually installed. Who knows why or
> when I did that, but is one preferred over the other?=20
AFAIU initrd-tools are deprecated and should not be used: http://wiki.debian.org/InitrdReplacementOptions There is also a nice comparison of initramfs-tools vs. yaird, though I'm=20 not sure how recent this is. Regards, Andrei --=20 If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGskpoqJyztHCFm9kRAmXhAJwNg6aDQKy0zySejGZghKOvNdy7LwCcDHiW S4VGT01qyDd/Gk5+p+ms9sM= =pY5s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g--

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:26:55 +0300 From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Large initrd [Was: Re: booting problem (udev related?)] Message-ID: <20070802212655.GB4156@think.homenet> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5" Content-Disposition: inline --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 06:40:52PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 18:23:04 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>=20
> [...]
>=20
> > Yes, I know what you mean. I was using yaird to make my initrd, but it=
=20
> > gave some errors on the latest upgrade (and Steve Langasek, Debian=20
> > kernel maintainer suggested it is no longer maintained).
>=20
> Do you mean this problem?
>=20
> yaird error: unrecognised line in /proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq=3D (fa=
tal) >=20
> That can be fixed relatively easily, see bug #431534, followup 1.
> (/usr/lib/yaird/perl/InputTab.pm is patched to simply ignore these new
> lines in /proc/bus/input/devices.)
Sure I could do this (actually I found another workaround, see #435560),=20 but that's not the point. And I'm (by far) not knowledgeable enough to=20 take over. Regards, Andrei --=20 If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGskwfqJyztHCFm9kRArJGAJ0YRlpQ1gvNUt3gTl/kMnu8zSbAzgCeNONh I3KAWDIZNWrzSAhhLFBVhug= =F45n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5--

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:53:59 +0300 From: Alexandar Angelov <sasho.angelov@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: dpkg purge problem Message-Id: <200708030054.00110.sasho.angelov@gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thursday 02 August 2007, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:
> I can't help you to solve the problem, to say it first. But I had the
> exactly the same Problem with a self-compiled 2.6.14 kernel (from the
> kernel-source-2.6.14 package) and packaged with make-kpkg.
Yes I compile with make-kpkg.
> Trying to "remove" the package worked everytime fine, put when I tried
> to purge the 2.6.14-kernel then I got the same error as You. I
> unfurtunatly don't remember with which "version" of make-kpkg (i.e.
> kernel-package) i compiled it, but comparing then the remove-script of
> my kernel-image-2.6.14 deb there was a difference with later
> remove-scripts. Maybee so a "idea" could be to analize the
> remove-script under /var/lib/dpkg/info in the (probably) apropriate
> postrm-Script?
> I compare /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.postrm with /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.22-1-k7.postrm and scripts are not so different. I copy /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.22-1-k7.postrm to /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7.postrm and change only the my $version variable. dpkg purge complete successefully and I think that maybe solved the problem. Alexandar Angelov.

Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:56:00 +0200 (CEST) From: pizzapie_linuxanchovies <embedded@verizon.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: ifup fails but iwconfig and dhclient works? Message-Id: <listhandler=2&site=www.debianhelp.org&nid=9284&pid=&cid=&uid=246&tid=&a4bc254def844da9f771cd03eb0cb6d4@www.debianhelp.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Sorry in advance if this is a bit long--I tried to keep it very clear. Having some trouble establishing my wireless connection. I recently upgr= aded Sarge to Etch. Now using the stock 2.6.18 686 kernel. No problems = with the main part of the upgrade. However, I like to use the latest rt2570 driver from http://rt2x00.serial= monkey.com for my wireless access point (a Linksys WUSB54Gv4). This alwa= ys worked fine under Sarge. Under Etch, I did the make, make install, and modprobe of the driver with= out problems. But here's the problem: $sudo ifup rausb0 Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device rausb0 ; Network is down. Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device rausb0 ; Network is down. Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) : SET failed on device rausb0 ; Network is down. Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device rausb0 ; Network is down. Whenever this happens, I fail to get a DHCP offer. I believe these messa= ges are coming from a component of Debian rather from driver code written= by the serialmonkey group, because I grep'ed for these messages in all t= he *.c source files of the serialmonkey driver, and didn't find them. Th= en I realized these errors were occurring in response to this stanza of m= y /etc/network/interfaces: auto rausb0 iface rausb0 inet dhcp wireless-essid (deleted) wireless-channel 2 wireless-key (deleted) wireless-mode Managed So instead, I tried issuing the iwconfig commands manually: $ sudo iwconfig rausb0 essid (deleted) $ sudo iwconfig rausb0 mode Managed $ sudo iwconfig rausb0 channel 2 $ sudo iwconfig rausb0 key (deleted) Got no errors from these iwconfig commands, so then I tried: $ sudo dhclient rausb0 Now I finally got my DHCP offer! So why does ifup fail but doing all the steps "manually" succeeds? I can= 't believe the order of the iwconfig commands matters? Could it be somet= hing to do with the environment created by the "sudo" command? I just ca= n't fathom what changed between Sarge and Etch to give me this problem. I've been hitting my head against the wall for a few days on this wireles= s thing. Thanks in advance for any ideas!

Date: 02 Aug 2007 23:41:54 GMT From: Tyler Smith <tyler.smith@mail.mcgill.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: MS Word under wine/crossover office Message-ID: <slrnfb4udg.5tg.tyler.smith@blackbart.mynetwork> Hi, I am getting really frustrated with exchanging documents with colleagues who only use Word. I am quite happy now working with LaTeX and BibTex, but in the course of my work I have to deal with WYSIWYG documents where formating is critical. latex2rtf is mostly adequate for this purpose, but I run into problems when I check the document over in OpenOffice only to find that when the same document is opened in Word the formatting is screwed up. I do support the Free Software ideal, and to this end I have started applying my humble C coding skills to bug fixes and adding features to latex2rtf, and I try and advocate for open formats whenever appropriate. That doesn't address my immediate problem of annoying people who I can't afford to annoy at this point in my career with sloppily-formatted documents. Which brings me to my question: do any of you have any experience using wine or crossover office with MSWord? Does it work? If it is possible to produce true, well-formatted .doc files this way then it will definitely be an improvement over hunting down a computer running Word under MSWindows to check my submissions. But it needs to be completely identical to regular Word - if I have to check the crossover/wine Word version with native Word I won't have saved any time. Is this possible? Any other suggestions regarding producing true .doc formats without resorting to installing Windows would be welcome, but in this case OpenOffice is definitely not good enough. It's great, of course, but not when it comes to exchanging .doc files with critical formatting intact. Thanks, Tyler End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2087 ************************************************** Received on Thu Aug 2 20:21:57 2007

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