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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2091

Today's Topics: 

  Re: how to set up a wireless network  [ "Dave Walker"  ]
  Re: D-Link DFE-530TX PCI Fast Ethern  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: Start booting hard drive, from a  [ Hugo Vanwoerkom  ]
  Re: Looking for driver Compal EL80    [ Jeff D  ]
  question on spell checking and hyphe  [ Cris  ]
  design focus [was Large initrd, was   [ Douglas Allan Tutty  ]

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:23:38 -0500
From: "Dave Walker" <carol.dave.walker@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to set up a wireless network? 

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On 8/3/07, pinniped <cirilo_bernardo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> (quote)
> Bluetooth uses the same frequency range as 802.11b and g ...
> (end quote)
>
> That's right, and you're also right about the power meant to be limited t=

o less than a "normal" 802.11 transceiver.  I've mostly seen Bluetooth run =
as an extra protocol on top of 802.11b/g and thus no extra gizmos and no re=
duced power limit; the USB Bluetooth gizmos do have the power output limite=
d and these specialized gizmos were pretty much a waste of money. All in al=
l I never had a use for Bluetooth - I always saw it as a nice way to crippl=
e your otherwise OK 802.11 network.  There is absolutely nothing in the Blu=
etooth protocol spec that hadn't already been accomplished by other tools, =
in many cases over a decade before (so much for the "future" hype). Now "Zi=

Do you need help?X

gbee" is being touted as a "Bluetooth killer" - what is it? Why, lower-powe=
r 802.11.  Sound familiar? Wasn't that Bluetooth? Yet more hype.  However, =
Zigbee *may* have a use in inherently very-low power gizmos with very short=
 range - for example tracking devices in laptops to determine where they ar=
e in a building. I'm sure people can think of more sensible applications; I=
 just have none of my own.
>
> Going back to the original post, as for comments like "you absolutely mus=
t be able to see the antenna", they are generally made by people who don't =
really know what they're talking about.  There's a hell of a lot of nonsens=
e on the internet. (I'm sure I contribute to that on occasion). But the ori=
ginal quote gives me the impression that the author is talking about gettin=
g a signal in a "public park" in which case he's pretty much right - the fr=
equency used by 802.11 will be severely attenuated by a tree so in *many* c=
ases if you can't see the antenna, you probably won't get a signal. In real=
ity you get "multipaths" or the antenna may be behind some object which doe=
sn't block much of the signal and you manage to get a wireless signal after=
 all - all in all, just switch on that laptop and see what happens and in g=
eneral ignore the "thou shalt not" statements.
>
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For what it is worth, here is my experience with wireless through walls.

I have a wireless router (WRT 54G) that is my access point for a DSL connection in the house, and a remote Linux box in another building about 50 feet away from the WRT 54G.

Do you need more help?X

The signal from the router in the house has to pass through a very thick well insulated wood frame wall, and through another thick wood frame wall on its way to the remote wireless card. There are some windows in the walls, but there is no line of sight path, and no significant metal in the walls aside from normal wiring services.

I found that the remote card did report many repeated packets due to losses, so I looked into replacing the supplied "ducky" type antenna with something better. I found that a directional antenna at the remote end (on the wireless card) dramatically helped. I built my own antenna (Google "tin can antenna"). I still get some lost packets on receive, but not many.

Dave W.

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:49:00 +0530
From: "Masatran, R. Deepak" <masatran@research.iiit.ac.in> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Start booting hard drive, from a CD 

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  • Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> 2007-08-03
    > On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 05:42:22PM +0530, Masatran, R. Deepak wrote:
    > > I am unable to boot from my hard drive due to some problem. As a temporary
    > > solution, I want to make a CD, and use it to start booting the hard drive.
    > > How can I make such a CD? Thanks!
    >
    > The answer will depend on why you can't boot from hard drive in the
    > first place.

In an old laptop, I need to boot an external hard drive that the BIOS does not recognize.

A different computer is giving errors, while booting a SATA hard drive. I was told that "the proper modules are not being used in the initrd", but I have no idea how to fix that.

I guess a live CD would be useful, but how do I get the live CD to boot the hard drive? Also, should it have the same architecture (I386/AMD64), release (Etch/Lenny), and Linux kernel version, as the hard drive? 

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http://research.iiit.ac.in/~masatran/>

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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:16:49 +0300 From: Juha Tuuna <juha.tuuna@utu.fi> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Start booting hard drive, from a CD Message-Id: <200708031616.51269.juha.tuuna@utu.fi> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Friday, 3. August 2007 15:12, Masatran, R. Deepak wrote:
> I am unable to boot from my hard drive due to some problem. As a temporary
> solution, I want to make a CD, and use it to start booting the hard drive.
> How can I make such a CD? Thanks!
>
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This works, just tried it myself: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD_002dROM.html You may want to configure menu.lst and device.map in /boot/grub on your CD according to your setup. -- -=[JT]=-

Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:54:57 -0500 From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: D-Link DFE-530TX PCI Fast Ethernet card 10/100MBs - supported? Message-ID: <46B333B1.6010408@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/03/07 07:56, Cs=E1nyi P=E1l wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 07:27:52AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On 08/03/07 05:37, Cs=E1nyi P=E1l wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> Is the D-Link DFE-530TX PCI Fast Ethernet card 10/100MBs=20
>>> supported by Debian GNU/Linux Etch?
>>>
>>>
>>> If I try to compile linux-image-2.6.18 from source, in menuconfig
>>> can't to find driver for this card.
>> Which driver, exactly, are you looking for?
>=20
> If I could to know.
>=20
>>> Is there some experience with this PCI Ethernet card on Debian
>>> Etch out there?
>>>
>>> Any advices will be apreciated!
>> What does Google say when you search for "linux 2.6 DFE-530TX"?
>=20
> Thanks!
>=20
> I find a Forum on the LinuxQuestions.org [1],
> and there find that that for this ethernet card the proper driver is
> via-rhine.
>=20
> I go to by this card now. :)
:) Google is your friend.
> [1] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=3D374449
>=20
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Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:07:14 -0500 From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Start booting hard drive, from a CD Message-ID: <f8vcqi$h3f$1@sea.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Masatran, R. Deepak wrote:
> * Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> 2007-08-03
>> On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 05:42:22PM +0530, Masatran, R. Deepak wrote:
>>> I am unable to boot from my hard drive due to some problem. As a temporary
>>> solution, I want to make a CD, and use it to start booting the hard drive.
>>> How can I make such a CD? Thanks!
>> The answer will depend on why you can't boot from hard drive in the
>> first place.
>
> In an old laptop, I need to boot an external hard drive that the BIOS does
> not recognize.
>
> A different computer is giving errors, while booting a SATA hard drive. I
> was told that "the proper modules are not being used in the initrd", but I
> have no idea how to fix that.
>
> I guess a live CD would be useful, but how do I get the live CD to boot the
> hard drive? Also, should it have the same architecture (I386/AMD64), release
> (Etch/Lenny), and Linux kernel version, as the hard drive?
>
I got the SATA drive boot problem with this mobo (EP-8VTAI). I find that making a lilo rescue CD solves the problem. Although I use grub, its rescue CD does not boot, no matter what. Hugo

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:54:57 +0300 From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Large initrd [Was: Re: booting problem (udev related?)] Message-ID: <20070803145457.GC4156@think.homenet> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1" Content-Disposition: inline --E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 08:34:00PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: =20
> However, don't all those modules in the initrd end up staying in the
> kernel anyway, or do they get unloaded during boot? If they stay, and
> 'most' modules get added, how is that different than having a huge
> monolithic kernel? It may not matter on a box with huge memory, but I
> have mostly small-memory boxes.
I may be wrong, but I think that only the needed modules are actually=20 loaded.
> As for xorg-video-foo, that's why I don't install the xorg metapackage.
> I choose from its dependencies what I need. =20
Same here
> /rant
>=20
> There's a growing kitchen-sink approach in Debian (perhaps all of Linux,
> I don't know). There's the kernel/initrd size, there's the variable
> device name problems, to name two. It suggests to me that there's a
> missing piece of infrastructure. Perhaps the installer system should
> create a hardware inventory file that initrdtools (or whatever the
> nom de jure) can access to generate a tailord initrd, that apt can
> consult for what drivers to download, etc. The installer rescue mode
> could offer a tool to regenerate the inventory file for times when one
> changes hardware.
>=20
> /end rant
True, but you have to consider the competition. If you plug a new device=20 into a Windows machine the driver gets installed automatically or you=20 get prompted for the drivers if Windows doesn't have them. You have to=20 admit that this is pretty convenient functionality which has been there=20 at least since Windows 2000 (how this is cluttering the registry and the=20 fact that it isn't always working is a totally different topic). The big advantage on linux (and especially Debian) is that power users=20 still have the possibility to customize the setup (like using a=20 different mkinitrd, different options, purge unneeded packages, ...)=20 that a Windows user doesn't have.=20 Regards, Andrei --=20 If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) --E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGs0HBqJyztHCFm9kRAppoAJ9KwdXfrthpE4YNb91vFvWNAIND1wCgnh25 ziRQ/uXq4RJfbGUxqS3vDeg= =9V8w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E/DnYTRukya0zdZ1--

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:44:13 -0400 From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Security newbie? Message-ID: <20070803144413.GA7485@titan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 08:15:38AM -0500, Rodney Richison wrote:
> Art Edwards wrote:
> >
> >I've been running debian @ home and @ work, for years, had no indication
> >of attacks. Over the last few days, my iptables firewall seemed simply
> >to stop. I checked my auth log file to find many, many attempts to break
> >in. My firewall was very simple. I have since added rules to drop
> >packets from offending IP addresses. So, I have a couple of very basic
> >questions:
> >
> >1. Are there repositories of offending IP addresses to block? Can/should
> >one contribute to these?
First ask if you need to ssh into your box from the internet, if not then limit the interfaces to which ssh listens.
> >
> >2. The attacks never use the same user name more than once. Is there a
> >way to block access, even temporarily, from an IP address after a set
> >number of attempts, even if the attempts use different user names?
> >
If you are using good strong passwords then it shouldn't matter how many times someone tries. However, you should consider using public-key ssh logins where you can totally disable password logins.
> >3. Are there other obvious things I should be doing?
> >
> >
> ssh, by it's design is insecure.
This seems a little harsh.
> It SHOULD incorporate some means of limiting password attempts. It
> does not! Using alternate ports can be a pain in the butt as some
> programs (like webmin "filesystem backup) do not support alternate
> ports. I suggest 2 methods, fail2ban and a firewall if you must allow
> password logins. You can set the firewall to allow only certain ip's
> or ip ranges. But do not get to comfortable with a firewall ONLY
> solution. The first time the local firewall goes down, or is taken
> down and forgotten to re-enable, you'll get compromised.
>
Yes, a firewall is the first line of defence in that it blocks things before they reach your daemons but the last line of defence in that everything else should be relied on first. You can use the firewall to limit the rate of connection attempts that go to ssh. Also, if you know the range of IPs from which you need to connect, you could limit attempts to that range. You can also look at the sshd_config options of MaxAuthTries and MaxStartups. Doug.

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:02:01 +0300 From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: MS Word under wine/crossover office Message-ID: <20070803150201.GD4156@think.homenet> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF" Content-Disposition: inline --DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 11:41:54PM +0000, Tyler Smith wrote:
> over in OpenOffice only to find that when the same document is opened
> in Word the formatting is screwed up.
And you are, of course, aware that .doc format is NOT consistent (and it=20 was never meant to be). If you need to have the same thing displayed on=20 the clients/boss' computer as on yours you have to use pdf which was=20 designed for just that. Regards, Andrei --=20 If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) --DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGs0NpqJyztHCFm9kRAqAFAJ9TZKBV/O4HoJEiPXxnT5+XvPMcygCbBKAX jYG3jPStyMnMrNUy3lISaYI= =Fxje -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF--

Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:46:48 -0000 From: Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: MS Word under wine/crossover office Message-ID: <1186152408.015534.206080@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tyler Smith wrote:
> I am getting really frustrated with exchanging documents with
> colleagues who only use Word. I am quite happy now working with LaTeX
> and BibTex, but in the course of my work I have to deal with WYSIWYG
> documents where formating is critical. latex2rtf is mostly adequate
> for this purpose, but I run into problems when I check the document
> over in OpenOffice only to find that when the same document is opened
> in Word the formatting is screwed up.
Can you give some example situations? Which version of OOo and which version of Word? Which format are you saving in? Note that OOo can save to the native MS Word formats pretty losslessly at this point.
> I do support the Free Software ideal, and to this end I have started
> applying my humble C coding skills to bug fixes and adding features to
> latex2rtf, and I try and advocate for open formats whenever
> appropriate. That doesn't address my immediate problem of annoying
> people who I can't afford to annoy at this point in my career with
> sloppily-formatted documents.
RTF isn't any more open than MSWord format, though.
> Which brings me to my question: do any of you have any experience
> using wine or crossover office with MSWord? Does it work?
Articles on Slashdot suggest they do, I recall seeing screenshots a while back. However, wine is not trivial and Crossover Office is not inexpensive.
> If it is possible to produce true, well-formatted .doc files this way then it
> will definitely be an improvement over hunting down a computer running
Have you tried saving natively to MS Word in OOo?
> Word under MSWindows to check my submissions. But it needs to be
> completely identical to regular Word - if I have to check the
> crossover/wine Word version with native Word I won't have saved any
> time. Is this possible? Any other suggestions regarding producing true
> .doc formats without resorting to installing Windows would be welcome,
> but in this case OpenOffice is definitely not good enough.
Expand on this.

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff D <fixedored@gmail.com> To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Looking for driver Compal EL80 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0708030831340.9164@proto.technobounce.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Adrian Chapela wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for a driver for the wireless / bluetooth switcher of a Compal
> El80 laptop. Some tips ??
>
> I can't find this to active / de-active the wireless or the bluetooth by
> soft. The laptop has a hardware switch but it also has a software switch to
> active BT or Wireless or two at time.
>
> Can you say me the right direction to find the driver ??
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> --
With out know what kind of wireless card you have in there, it's tough to say. But from digging around a little it looks like you might have an intel 3945ABG. You can find out more info on how to get that compiled here: http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/. If thats not the wireless card you have, we would need to find out what you have in there. -+- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Techno.

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Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:02:58 -0300 From: Cris <ml134@netpole.com.br> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: question on spell checking and hyphenation Message-Id: <20070803130258.e220a3cc.ml134@netpole.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm looking for a command line tool which could accept a word and return all legal hyphenation points. I know, that this could be done with TeX, but parsing it's output is difficult. Is there any program which can do this? Or might there be a library which could be used? Thanks, -- cs

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:25:15 -0400 From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: design focus [was Large initrd, was booting problem (udev related?)] Message-ID: <20070803162515.GA8013@titan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 05:54:57PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 08:34:00PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
> > However, don't all those modules in the initrd end up staying in the
> > kernel anyway, or do they get unloaded during boot? If they stay, and
> > 'most' modules get added, how is that different than having a huge
> > monolithic kernel? It may not matter on a box with huge memory, but I
> > have mostly small-memory boxes.
>
> I may be wrong, but I think that only the needed modules are actually
> loaded.
>
> > As for xorg-video-foo, that's why I don't install the xorg metapackage.
> > I choose from its dependencies what I need.
>
> Same here
All these extra packages together take a lot of disk space, a lot of download bandwidth to install and maintain.
>
> > /rant
> >
> > There's a growing kitchen-sink approach in Debian (perhaps all of Linux,
> > I don't know). There's the kernel/initrd size, there's the variable
> > device name problems, to name two. It suggests to me that there's a
> > missing piece of infrastructure. Perhaps the installer system should
> > create a hardware inventory file that initrdtools (or whatever the
> > nom de jure) can access to generate a tailord initrd, that apt can
> > consult for what drivers to download, etc. The installer rescue mode
> > could offer a tool to regenerate the inventory file for times when one
> > changes hardware.
> >
> > /end rant
>
> True, but you have to consider the competition.
I guess the problem is related to this notion of trying to compete with MS. If people 'buy' brand A because they like features x,y, and z, and brand B has the goal of gaining market share, it will tend to morph into a clone (feature-wise) of brand A. However, it will tend to take on some of the compromises of brand B that go with features x, y, and z. I stick with debian on my big box because of inertia, the debian policy, the debian security support for all packages in debian/main, and the absolute ease of applying bug fixes with aptitude. Debian also supports my trackball mouse's scroll wheel (IMPS/2) whereas OpenBSD does not. However, my older computers are transitioning away from Debian to BSD because of the newer debian (perhaps all linuxes) being so much slower on them than either older debians or new BSDs.
> If you plug a new device
> into a Windows machine the driver gets installed automatically or you
> get prompted for the drivers if Windows doesn't have them. You have to
> admit that this is pretty convenient functionality which has been there
> at least since Windows 2000 (how this is cluttering the registry and the
> fact that it isn't always working is a totally different topic).
That convenience comes at a huge price in terms of system resource utilization on boxes with few resources. Compare it to OpenBSD, for example, where there is no such thing as eth0, but network interfaces based on driver name (eg. ne) and configuration; my 486 has one NIC as ne1. Its not convenient to have to look up in a file for the supported configurations of different hardware to ensure that your NIC is set up to match one of them then configure networking based on ne1. However, its only done once.
>
> The big advantage on linux (and especially Debian) is that power users
> still have the possibility to customize the setup (like using a
> different mkinitrd, different options, purge unneeded packages, ...)
> that a Windows user doesn't have.
>
True, but rather than hotplugging, I would prefer a program that can be run as needed each time a new piece of hardware is attached for the first time, which would create the device node and load the appropriate module and parameters. Once done, it would get out of the way. On subsequent attachment of a device, everything would be pre-existing. It all comes down to the notion of competition and market share. If Debian is going to focus on market share and competing with MS it will have to target MS's target market. Since I'm not in that market, Debian will be shifting its focus on the market I'm in. It won't be that I'm drifting away from Debian but that Debian is drifting away from me. Doug.

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:37:19 -0400 From: Rick <cms0009@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Opera or kde-pim Message-Id: <200708031237.19406.cms0009@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary-01=_/m1sGjOnftOvOVg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --Boundary-01=_/m1sGjOnftOvOVg Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought I would ask, to see if anyone has drop kmail (kde-pim) and switch over, to Opera to use it for email, web, IRC, IM, ....etc how does it compare ? any advantages, besides a single app verus multiply apps.. Kinda like the idea, of a unified app, that can do it all (within) itself. Thanks - Richard --Boundary-01=_/m1sGjOnftOvOVg Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /></head><body style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Andale Mono"> <p><span style="font-family:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono;font-size:10pt">Thought I would ask, to see if anyone has drop kmail (kde-pim) and switch over, to Opera to use it for email, web, IRC, IM, ....etc</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono;font-size:10pt">how does it compare ? any advantages, besides a single app verus multiply apps.. </span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono;font-size:10pt">Kinda like the idea, of a unified app, that can do it all (within) itself.</span></p> <p></p> <p><span style="font-family:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono;font-size:10pt">Thanks -</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono;font-size:10pt">Richard</span></p> <p></p> </body></html> --Boundary-01=_/m1sGjOnftOvOVg-- End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2091 ************************************************** Received on Fri Aug 3 13:09:24 2007

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