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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2098

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it wo  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: xmms2                             [ Mathias Brodala  ]
  Re: Opinions XFS                      [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: xmms2                             [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: working with two nics (lan and w  [ "H.S."  ]
  Seeing files shared from an Apple co  [ Ross Boylan  ]
  Re: Opinions XFS                      [ Douglas Allan Tutty  ]
  Re: Get display back?                 [ Kent West  ]
  Apt-mirror and merge with security u  [ Jose Paulo Matafome Oleiro 
  less, exit but left content on scree  [ Tong Sun <mlist4suntong@yahoo.com> ]
  Re: less, exit but left content on s  [ Andy Smith <andy@lug.org.uk> ]



Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:30:04 -0500


From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

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On 08/04/07 14:31, Andrew J. Barr wrote:


> On 8/4/07, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
>> On 08/04/07 12:53, Andrew J. Barr wrote:
>>>> a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode?
>>>>         - Is it faster?
>>> Yes. Unlike true 64-bit architectures like PowerPC, there is a penalty
>>> for executing 32 bit code on amd64/em64t processors.
>> Penalty?  Absolutely fscking not!!!!  The A64 processes 32 bit code
>> at a similar speed to "regular" Athlon CPUs.


> 
> Do you have any sources for this? I remember quite distinctly seeing
> on a mailing list, I think it was debian-powerpc in fact, that the
> only reason that AMD64 operating systems have an all-64-bit user land
> is because there is a penalty for executing 32-bit code, one which is
> not present on other true 64-bit architectures. 64-bit code /does/ use
> more memory, so it is advantageous to have a mixed userland if you can
> afford it--e.g. only compiling applications that will benefit from
> 64-bit into 64-bit executables. This is what the OSes for other 64-bit
> architectures do.
> 
> Perhaps the penalty is only under a 64-bit kernel...

I think we might have different definitions of "penalty".



What I mean is that an AMD64 in 32-bit mode will run apps at the
same speed as an equivalently-clocked AthlonXP.



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Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:12:41 +0200


From: Mathias Brodala <info@noctus.net>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: xmms2


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Do you need more help?X



Hi Steven.



Steven, 04.08.2007 23:01:

> The system is Debian Sid except for the git kernel.  The first four=20
> attempts to start the server failed.  The fifth attempt was successful.=

You might want to rebuild XMMS2 including debugging symbols. Get the sour=
ce, and


add "-d ultradebug" to WAFFLAGS in debian/rules.


Can we help you?X

Then you can launch xmms2 from gdb and get a backtrace[0] after the segfa=
ult.


Submit this as a bugreport to the same called source package. Either the
maintainer or the upstream developers will know what to do.




Regards, Mathias



[0] http://sourceware.org/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb_7.html#SEC48

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Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:14:28 -0700


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Opinions XFS


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On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 08:51:08AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 09:43:46AM +0200, J?rg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> =20
> > Debian Administration :: Filesystems (ext3, reiser, xfs, jfs) comparison
> > on Debian Etch
> > http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388
> >=20
>=20


> Great article.  As Ron points out, a UPS answers many of the
> power-failure questions, however, should a machine freeze up and require
> a hard reset, a UPS doesn't help.

magic sysrq key... Alt-SysRq-S to sync the filesystems followed by
Alt-SysRq-U tu remount readonly. then reboot.


http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/457

doesn't *always* work, but I've gotten to work a couple times on
otherwise totally unresponsive machines...=20



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Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:01:18 +0000 (UTC)
From: Steven <hairpinblue@yahoo.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject:  xmms2

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The system is Debian Sid except for the git kernel.  The first four=20
attempts to start the server failed.  The fifth attempt was successful.



shell:



13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ xmms2 play


Log output will be stored in /home/ssg/.cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log
xmms2 started


13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ [  321.530036] xmms2d[12289]: segfault at=20
656d6f74 eip b7dfa550 esp b6b90f7c error 4



13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ xmms2 play


Log output will be stored in /home/ssg/.cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log
xmms2 started


13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ [  322.773761] xmms2d[12302]: segfault at=20
0000002d eip b7ee72a2 esp b5bcceb8 error 4


Confused? Frustrated?X

13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ xmms2 play


Log output will be stored in /home/ssg/.cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log
xmms2 started


13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ [  324.221879] xmms2d[12314]: segfault at=20
6d63705f eip 08069178 esp b5bc7ea0 error 4



Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:13:53 -0500


From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: xmms2

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On 08/04/07 16:01, Steven wrote:

> The system is Debian Sid except for the git kernel.  The first four 
> attempts to start the server failed.  The fifth attempt was successful.
> 
> shell:
> 
> 13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ xmms2 play
> Log output will be stored in /home/ssg/.cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log
> xmms2 started
> 13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ [  321.530036] xmms2d[12289]: segfault at 
> 656d6f74 eip b7dfa550 esp b6b90f7c error 4
> 
> 13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ xmms2 play
> Log output will be stored in /home/ssg/.cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log
> xmms2 started
> 13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ [  322.773761] xmms2d[12302]: segfault at 
> 0000002d eip b7ee72a2 esp b5bcceb8 error 4
> 
> 13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ xmms2 play
> Log output will be stored in /home/ssg/.cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log
> xmms2 started
> 13:54 ssg@celestial:~$ [  324.221879] xmms2d[12314]: segfault at 
> 6d63705f eip 08069178 esp b5bc7ea0 error 4

Maybe you've got a corrupted program or library?  Failing disk or RAM?



$ xmms2 play


Log output will be stored in /home/me/.cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log
xmms2 started



$ apt-cache policy xmms2


xmms2:


  Installed: 0.2DrJekyll-4


  Candidate: 0.2DrJekyll-4


  Version table:


  •   0.2DrJekyll-4 0
        500 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/main Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


  
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Jefferson LA  USA


  
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Date:  Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:37:40 -0400


From: "H.S." <hs.samix@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject:  Re: working with two nics (lan and wlan)

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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 11:40:14AM -0400, H.S. wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a headless machine on my home network with a LAN card and a wireless 
>> card. If my lan cable is connected to its lan card, it gets an IP 
>> automatically from my firewall machine. But if I activate the wireless 
>> card, the networking seems to hang or freeze. My lan card is on 192.168.0.x 
>> network and the wireless card is on 192.168.5.x network.
>>
>> Is there any way I can have both the cards active and networking working? 
>> Perhaps by specifying somewhere which network has the higher priority? This 
>> is so because there are many situations where I sometimes want both cards 
>> up, mainly while trying out various wireless drivers with my wireless card. 
>> Another situation when I want to transfer huge amounts data via the wired 
>> network (higher speed) to other machines on the local network.
>>
>> Alternatively, I suppose ifplugd can handle multiple cards at the same 
>> time. In my situations, can it be configured to use wlan card if it is up, 

Do you need help?X

>> else to use the lan card?


> 
> we need more information. what hardware? what do the appropriate
> config files look like? is there any relevant log output? etc etc
> 
> A

Well, it looks like the problem has gone away by itself. I updated the
machine a few times in the last few weeks. To give you more information
as you requested, I rebooted the machine and ... lo and behold ... it
was working fine. So now I can get both the nics up without having the
machine freeze on me. Sorry for all the trouble.



Next, I have a further query. I run another headless box as a firewall,
DNS server (using dnsmasq) and do masquarading to let my wired lan and
wireless computers share the DSL connection (the router machine has
three nics, one connected to the DSL, the second connected a wired
switch and the third is a wireless nic).



I now assign the wlan nic of the previously mentioned computer an IP
address from the WLAN network (192.168.5.x) and a different IP address
to the wired NIC (192.168.0.x). In this scenario, I can only ssh to the
host corresponding to the wired IP address from my other computers. If I
try to ssh to the host corresponding to the wireless IP address, I get
something like the following:


$> ssh -vv wwaja


OpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-4, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007

debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
debug1: Connecting to wwaja [192.168.5.20] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/red/.ssh/identity type -1
debug1: identity file /home/red/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN'
debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'Proc-Type:'
debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type 'DEK-Info:'
debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----END'
debug1: identity file /home/red/.ssh/id_dsa type 2

Do you need more help?X

and nothing happens. The logs in the computer in questions show
something like the following:


Aug  4 18:00:12 waja sshd[3484]: Server listening on :: port 22.
Aug  4 18:00:12 waja sshd[3484]: error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0
failed: Address already in use.




Any idea where I should start looking.



thanks,


->HS



Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:46:17 -0700


From: Ross Boylan <RossBoylan@stanfordalumni.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Cc: RossBoylan@stanfordalumni.org


Subject: Seeing files shared from an Apple computer

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I enabled "Personal File Sharing" on an iMac on my LAN, but can't seem
to see the files from KDE.  I have a pretty full installation of KDE
(testing), including kdnssd, and I have avahi and friends installed (but
dbus is not enabled).



avahi-browse does seem to show the service: it lists the name of the
workstation and "Apple File Sharing" (along with a number of other
services.



Howeve, when I browse in Konqueror under KDE, the only sign of the other
computer is under "Network Services" | "shared desktops".  This tries to
launch a remote desktop (RDP) app when I click it, and the connection
then fails ("the connection to the host has been interrupted").


Can we help you?X

I just enabled ssh on the Mac, and I now see "Remote shell (ssh)" as
well under Network Services (equivalently, zeroconf:/ on the locator
line).



I hope that I can transfer the files I need with ssh/scp, but does
anyone have any ideas why the zeroconf/avahi file sharing is not working
from KDE?



Thanks.



Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:21:29 -0400


From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Issues with ethernet in testing/lenny

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On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 09:35:50AM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:

> percy tiglao(prtiglao@gmail.com) is reported to have said:
> > Hello, I've recently purchased a Dell Inspiron 530 and wanted to get
> > Debian onto it. I've installed Lenny mostly without any issues, but it
> > did not autodetect my ethernet card. It is a 82562V-2 integrated card,
> > at least according to the Windows Vista devise manager.
> > 
> > Anyway, I do have a very basic system up and running. No internet
> > support or anything, so I can really only do stuff from the Windows
> > side of my system right now. I'm not sure how I can get logs of what I
> > do to my email from Debian so I'm sorry about the lack of the logs.
> > I'll do my best to describe the error messages however.
> > 

If you have a device, such as a USB stick that can be read and written
by Linux and at least read by Windows, you can transfer the logs via
this; sort of a sneaker-net that doesn't go anywhere.



> > As I stated earlier, the installer did not detect the network card. I
> > tried loading the "e1000" module inside the installation program which
> > according to intel should be the module I need:
> > http://downloadmirror.intel.com/9180/ENG/README.txt
> > 
> > The installer wouldn't acccept it, it would just loop back to the
> > "select module" screen. I tried to "modprobe e1000" manually during
> > the installation, but that didn't work either. No error messages come
> > up.
> > 
Can't find what you're looking for?X

After you do this, look in /var/log/syslog and see if any eth lines
appear.  It may not be numbered eth0.


> > After that, the rest of the system installed without any hassle, but
> > obviously I cannot connect to the internet right now without any
> > network card, so I don't have anything installed aside from whatever
> > is on the base netinstall on Lenny.
> > 

You could use the apt-zip package only use a CD or USB stick instead of
a Zip (unless, of course, you have a zip disk drive).  You can download
individual packages with your windows box, put them on the stick, then
install them on the debian box with dpkg.
 



Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:39:26 +0200


From: Mathias Brodala <info@noctus.net>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Opinions XFS


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Hi Douglas.



Douglas Allan Tutty, 05.08.2007 01:34:

> On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 02:14:28PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> magic sysrq key... Alt-SysRq-S to sync the filesystems followed by
>> Alt-SysRq-U tu remount readonly. then reboot.
>>
>> 
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/457
>>
>>
>> doesn't *always* work, but I've gotten to work a couple times on
>> otherwise totally unresponsive machines...=20
>=20


> If I remember right, the magic key is disabled in stock debian kernels.=
Don't know where to look next?X

It is not:


> $ grep MAGIC /boot/config-`uname -r`
> CONFIG_FB_NEOMAGIC=3Dm
> CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=3Dy

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Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:34:18 -0400


From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Opinions XFS

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Confused? Frustrated?X

On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 02:14:28PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
 

> magic sysrq key... Alt-SysRq-S to sync the filesystems followed by
> Alt-SysRq-U tu remount readonly. then reboot.
> 
> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/457
> 
> 
> doesn't *always* work, but I've gotten to work a couple times on
> otherwise totally unresponsive machines... 
> 

If I remember right, the magic key is disabled in stock debian kernels.
Do you compile your own?



Doug.



Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:02:44 -0400


From: "Andrew J. Barr" <andrew.james.barr@gmail.com>
To: "Ross Boylan" <RossBoylan@stanfordalumni.org>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Seeing files shared from an Apple computer

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Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X



On 8/4/07, Ross Boylan <RossBoylan@stanfordalumni.org> wrote:

> I enabled "Personal File Sharing" on an iMac on my LAN, but can't seem
> to see the files from KDE.  I have a pretty full installation of KDE
> (testing), including kdnssd, and I have avahi and friends installed (but
> dbus is not enabled).
>


> avahi-browse does seem to show the service: it lists the name of the
> workstation and "Apple File Sharing" (along with a number of other
> services.
>


> Howeve, when I browse in Konqueror under KDE, the only sign of the other
> computer is under "Network Services" | "shared desktops".  This tries to
> launch a remote desktop (RDP) app when I click it, and the connection
> then fails ("the connection to the host has been interrupted").

You probably need AFP/AFS protocol support in your kernel, and the
associated user mode utilities. IIRC, there is a kioslave for that
protocol, it may be in a separate package, however.


-- 
Andrew Barr

We matter more than pounds and pence,
your economic theory makes no sense...


Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:12:34 +1200
From: Jeff <professorwagstaff@gmail.com>
To: Debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Get display back?
Message-ID: <46B515F2.8090703@gmail.com>
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I am a new Debian user . Had Etch installed and tried to install the 
Nvidia driver without success. Now i cannot get the display working when 
i boot Etch ! Just a blank screen? Can someone tell me how to get the 
display back from boot up please?
Thanks jeff



Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:27:32 -0500
From: Kent West <westk@acu.edu>
To: Debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Get display back?
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Jeff wrote:

> I am a new Debian user . Had Etch installed and tried to install the 
> Nvidia driver without success. Now i cannot get the display working 
> when i boot Etch ! Just a blank screen? Can someone tell me how to get 
> the display back from boot up please?

>
Try Ctrl-Alt-F1 to switch to Virtual Terminal 1 (VT1); if that works, 
you can make repairs from there. (I won't go into the repair process; 
let us know if you can get to this point.)

If that doesn't work, does Crlt-Alt-Backspace do anything for you?

If neither of those get you to a text-based VT, you'll have to boot into 
a "safer" mode; there are several ways to do this, but I'll wait to see 
if one of the above methods gets you farther along.

-- 
Kent



Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:43:00 +0100
From: Jose Paulo Matafome Oleiro <linuxhome@sapo.pt>
To: Debian User Lists <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Apt-mirror and merge with security updates local repo
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Hello to all :)

I've got a little question or may I say problem, for you; if you can
help me. Today I had started creating a mirror using apt-mirror of a
http://ftp.uevora.pt for the apt-get process, because my ISP give
unlimited traffic in the portuguese network, but outside portugal I had
only 30GB of data to use each month, and since I install debian at my
friends computers, and some of the people that live in the same street
than I had access to my wireless network, because we had a LAN between
the houses to comunicate and share files, I wan't provide a mirror from
the repos to all, but because my limit of traffic each month I wan't to
get only what was need when someone requests the updates at the repo deb
http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main non-free contrib
In this case I only wan't to get the updates that someone need. How I
can do this? I've seen apt-proxy and apt-cacher. But doesn't know how to
integrate all in one big repo. For example:
Merging the full mirror that I had get from apt-mirror of the full repo
http://ftp.uevora.pt/debian with the updates that someone request from
http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates

This style I want:

Client computer do command apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
The proxy get's the updates that are at security.debian.org (only for
the choosen software by the client computer) and merges this updates
with the mirror repo of ftp.uevora.pt/debian then the client computers
gets everything from my local repo.

Sorry about some confusion I may had put in the explanation, and my lazy
english

Yours truly
Jos=C3=A9 Oleiro



Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 21:06:19 -0400
From: Tong Sun <mlist4suntong@yahoo.com>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org, markn@greenwoodsoftware.com
Subject: less, exit but left content on screen
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Package: less
Version: 394-4
Severity: wishlist

I remember that I used to be able to exit 'less' by command key 'x' or
something so that the content just viewed is left on screen, instead of
being cleared and restored to the screen before invoking 'less'. But I
found there is no such capability in current less (version 394). Or
is there? 

I am not sure whether my memory is correct or not, but I think such
capability, leaving the just viewed content on screen, is desirable in
certain circumstances. I hope such capability be implemented/put back
into less. 

Thanks 

Tong

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 4.0
  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (300, 'stable'), (50, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-grml
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)

Versions of packages less depends on:
ii  debianutils                 2.17         Miscellaneous utilities specific t
ii  libc6                       2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libncurses5                 5.5-5        Shared libraries for terminal hand

less recommends no packages.

-- no debconf information



Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 01:55:13 +0000
From: Andy Smith <andy@lug.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: less, exit but left content on screen
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On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 09:06:19PM -0400, Tong Sun wrote:

> I remember that I used to be able to exit 'less' by command key 'x' or
> something so that the content just viewed is left on screen, instead of
> being cleared and restored to the screen before invoking 'less'. But I
> found there is no such capability in current less (version 394). Or
> is there?=20


Can't you just call "less -X" or set the environment variable LESS
to contain "-X"?

Cheers,
Andy

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