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debian-user-digest Digest V2007 #2101

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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2101

Today's Topics: 

  Missing /dev/raw1394                  [ Curt Howland  ]
  Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it wo  [ Douglas Allan Tutty  ]
  Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators        [ Joe Hart  ]
  Re: new Etch install fails to boot [  [ Steve Kleene  ]
  less, exit but left content on scree  [ Tong Sun  ]
  video editing of digicam avi files    [ "H.S."  ]
  Re: Which kernel should I choose wit  [ "Kun Niu"  ]
  Re: less, exit but left content on s  [ "Mumia W.."  ]
  Re: Get display back?                 [ Ross Boylan 
  Re: Seeing files shared from an Appl  [ Ross Boylan <RossBoylan@stanfordalu ]



Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:25:27 -0400


From: Curt Howland <Howland@priss.com>


To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Missing /dev/raw1394


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Hi. Up to date Sid, 2.6.22



The dvgrab program is trying to access /dev/raw1394, to pull data from 
my video camera (as if that wasn't implicit already).


Do you need help?X

Funny thing is, /dev/raw1394 doesn't exist.



I'm accustomed to having to fix permissions on it every once in a 
while, but it hasn't simply "not existed" before.



lsmod shows the following modules:

- ------------------
# lsmod | grep firewire
firewire_sbp2          12100  0
scsi_mod              136620  5 
sr_mod,firewire_sbp2,sd_mod,usb_storage,libata
firewire_ohci          16416  0
firewire_core          38784  2 firewire_sbp2,firewire_ohci
crc_itu_t               2144  1 firewire_core
- ------------------


According to the 2.6.22 release notes, these are the modules 
that "should" be loading, so it seems to be working ok at that level.



Google search results include lots of dmesg outputs with "/dev/raw1394 
device initialized" in them, but there is no such line in my dmesg. 



The following comes up when I put the camera online:

- --------------------
firewire_core: phy config: card 0, new root=ffc1, gap_count=5


firewire_core: phy config: card 0, new root=ffc1, gap_count=5
firewire_core: created new fw device fw1 (0 config rom retries)

- --------------------



so the kernel drivers are seeing the hardware, anyway.



Suggestions?



Curt-




  •   -- 
September 11th, 2001
The proudest day for gun control and central 
planning advocates in American history



Do you need more help?X
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Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:35:11 -0400


From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

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On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 12:28:14AM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:

> But even so there was huge resistance because it was not a perfect
> solution and did not support 32-bit applications out of the box.  

I run Etch amd64 on may Athlon64 3800+ and its great.  Then again, this box
was an upgrade from my 486 :)



The only thing I need ia32 for is iceweasel/flash.  For this, I had to
setup a chroot which wasn't that bad and takes up 442 MB of disk space.
The only thing that would have been convenient would have been an amd64
package that brought in debootstrap and schroot and whatever else and
did all the setup ready for installing the chroot.  There was a lot of
reading of howtos and man pages to bring myself up-to-speed on setting
it up.



Now I see in Sid there's a wrapper for mozilla plugins to make using a
chroot for this unneccessary, however there could still be value in a
'ia32-schroot' meta-package.



Doug.


Can we help you?X

Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:23:12 +0100


From: "B.Hoffmann" <proxyemail@yahoo.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

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> I would like to see how VirtualBox stands up against the others.  It seems to be the fastest emulator when it comes to Windows.  Although this is only one person's opinion and there is no "scientific" evidence it just feels faster.
>  
> -Tom
> 

VB runs great here. I'm virtualizing Arch, Fedora and Slack12 on this, feels fast apart from F7 which feels extremely sluggish. Did not work with PC-BSD at all when selecting to run as FreeBSD. Slack12 runs like a dream, will install it for good after this test run in VB.



Barnaby



Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:00:08 -0400


From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: less, exit but left content on screen

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On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 08:54:52AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> On 8/4/2007 6:06 PM, Tong Sun wrote:
> > Package: less
> > Version: 394-4
> > Severity: wishlist
> > 
> > I remember that I used to be able to exit 'less' by command key 'x' or
> > something so that the content just viewed is left on screen, instead of
> > being cleared and restored to the screen before invoking 'less'. But I
> > found there is no such capability in current less (version 394). Or
> > is there? 
> 
> I'm running standard Etch, with less version 394-4.  I've always exited
> less with 'q', which leaves the screen intact.
> 
> If -X works, I wonder what is different between our terminals.  My
> $TERM = linux.
> 
> In any event, less(1) doesn't show a command key 'x' that I can see.
Don't know where to look next?X

I just tried man in xfce-terminal and find that q does clear the screen.
How unhelpful; another good reason to use the text console :)



Doug.



Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:01:47 -0400


From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Weird cron behavior

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On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 09:26:28AM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:

> 
> I left my machine on overnight ( I usually don't )  and got these
> messages in my mail this morning:

You mean that you don't run anacron when you don't leave the compuer on
overnight?  There are _lots_ of default scripts in /etc/cron.daily that
need to run.



Doug.


Confused? Frustrated?X

Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:40:04 +0800


From: "Kun Niu" <haoniukun@gmail.com>


To: debian-user-digest@lists.debian.org


Subject: Which kernel should I choose with the following cpu?

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Dear all,


The following is the cat message from /proc/cpuinfo

processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 15
model           : 4
model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz
stepping        : 3
cpu MHz         : 2800.220
cache size      : 16 KB



My present kernel is 2.4.27 on 386 system.
I've ever tried 2.6.8 smp kernel but the system fails to boot.
I wonder if the cpu is supported by etch and which kernel I should
choose to use if it is supported.



Thanks for any help in advance.



Regards.



Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:18:43 +0200


From: Joe Hart <j.hart@orange.nl>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators


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On Sunday 05 August 2007 16:23:12 B.Hoffmann wrote:

> > I would like to see how VirtualBox stands up against the others.  It
> > seems to be the fastest emulator when it comes to Windows.  Although this
> > is only one person's opinion and there is no "scientific" evidence it
> > just feels faster.
> >
> > -Tom
>


> VB runs great here. I'm virtualizing Arch, Fedora and Slack12 on this,
> feels fast apart from F7 which feels extremely sluggish. Did not work with
> PC-BSD at all when selecting to run as FreeBSD. Slack12 runs like a dream,
> will install it for good after this test run in VB.

>

> Barnaby

Similar experiece here.  Windows XP, Sabayon, and SuSE all work fine in VBox 
1.40, but for some reason no flavor of BSD does.  I have no idea if anyone is 
working on changing this or not.


Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

I used to use VMware, but since it's not "free" I didn't really like it.  VBox 
is somewhere in between open and closed, but seems to work much better on my 
machine(s) than QEMU.



Joe



Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:29:25 -0400


From: Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: new Etch install fails to boot [SOLVED]

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This problem has been solved, as least in a practical sense.



Repeated tries to install Etch had resulted in the boot failing as soon as
grub was called.  Attempts to build a system with lilo also failed.  The
motherboard (Abit BX133 440BX) has four IDE connectors, allowing 8 drives in
total.  My hard drives were on IDE3 and correctly seen as hde and hdf.  The
only other device was the CD drive (hdc on IDE2).  With a rescue boot from
the CD, I did verify that grub was referenced in the first two 512-byte
blocks of hde, and that the MBR of hdf had not been written by mistake.  So
that was not the problem.



Next I tried disconnecting the spare hard drive (hdf) and doing a fresh
install including disk formatting.  That still crashed.



Finally, I switched both hard drives to IDE1 (hda and hdb) and succeeded in
doing a full install.  The system is running fine now.  Supposedly IDE3 and
IDE4 run at 66 MB/s max, while IDE1 and IDE2 go at 33 MB/s max.  But where
this machine's going that won't matter.


Do you need help?X

I did notice something odd that may help to understand the cause of the
failures.  With the drives on IDE1 (the successful configuration), the drives
showed as follows during the install:



  IDE1 master (hda) - 41.2 GB IC35L040AVER07-0
  IDE1 slave (hdb) - 41.2 GB IC35L040AVER07-0



With the drives on IDE3 (the unsuccessful configuration), they showed as
follows:



  IDE5 master (hde) - 41.2 GB IC35L040AVER07-0
  IDE5 slave (hdf) - 41.2 GB IC35L040AVER07-0



Although there can be eight devices (hda-hdh), there are only four IDE
connectors.  If hda and hdb are both seen as IDE1, then hde and hdf should be
seen as IDE3, not IDE5.



There was one unrelated issue too.  When the system booted, the serial mouse
didn't work in X.  In /etc/X11/xorg.conf, I changed the mouse device from
/dev/input/mice to /dev/ttyS0, and changed the mouse protocol from ImPS/2 to
Microsoft.  Neither change alone was sufficient.  I don't know if this was
the proper way to go, but it seems to have worked.  I made the changes by
imitating the XF86Config file from the machine's Red Hat days.



Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:05:33 +0200


From: srgqwerty <srgqwerty@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Which kernel should I choose with the following cpu?
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Do you need more help?X

And what error messages had you got when the system failed to boot with 2.6.8 
smp kernel?


They are important in order to determine the boot failed reason.



Regards



On Sunday 05 August 2007 17:40, Kun Niu wrote:

> Dear all,
> The following is the cat message from /proc/cpuinfo
> processor       : 0
> vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
> cpu family      : 15
> model           : 4
> model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz
> stepping        : 3
> cpu MHz         : 2800.220
> cache size      : 16 KB
> My present kernel is 2.4.27 on 386 system.
> I've ever tried 2.6.8 smp kernel but the system fails to boot.
> I wonder if the cpu is supported by etch and which kernel I should
> choose to use if it is supported.
>


> Thanks for any help in advance.


>

> Regards.

Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:53:35 -0400


From: Tong Sun <mlist4suntong@yahoo.com>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org, markn@greenwoodsoftware.com
Subject: less, exit but left content on screen
Message-Id: <200708051553.l75FrZDb013870@cxmr.dyndns.org>



Package: less


Version: 394-4


Severity: wishlist



I remember that I used to be able to exit 'less' by command key 'x' or
something so that the content just viewed is left on screen, instead of
being cleared and restored to the screen before invoking 'less'. But I
found there is no such capability in current less (version 394). Or
is there? 



I am not sure whether my memory is correct or not, but I think such
capability, leaving the just viewed content on screen, is desirable in
certain circumstances. I hope such capability be implemented/put back
into less. 


Can we help you?X

Thanks 



Tong



  •   System Information:
Debian Release: 4.0
  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (300, 'stable'), (50, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-grml
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)




Versions of packages less depends on:

ii  debianutils                 2.17         Miscellaneous utilities specific t
ii  libc6                       2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libncurses5                 5.5-5        Shared libraries for terminal hand


less recommends no packages.



  •   no debconf information



Date:  Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:12:31 -0400


From: "H.S." <hs.samix@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject:  video editing of digicam avi files

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Hello,



I am trying to find a method to make an mpeg movie from a number of avi
files captured from a digital camera (Canon A540). Any suggestions what
steps to follow? The original videos are at 15 fps and I am not too
concerned about the output fps. However, if I wanted a DVD from the avi
files, I suppose I would need to have either 24 or 30 fps.


Can't find what you're looking for?X

Also, any idea how do I go about making short captions between two avi
files? Something like the titler in Kino.



thanks,


->HS



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:44:13 +0800


From: "Kun Niu" <haoniukun@gmail.com>


To: srgqwerty <srgqwerty@gmail.com>


Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Which kernel should I choose with the following cpu?

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Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:41:41 -0500


From: "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: less, exit but left content on screen

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On 08/05/2007 10:00 AM, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 08:54:52AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>> [...]
>> In any event, less(1) doesn't show a command key 'x' that I can see.


> 
> I just tried man in xfce-terminal and find that q does clear the screen.
> How unhelpful; another good reason to use the text console :)
> 
> Doug.
> 
> 
Don't know where to look next?X

The "-X" should be specified either as a command line option to less or 
in the environment variable LESS. Try this in xfce-terminal:



export LESS="-X"


man less




:-)



Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:52:12 +0200


From: srgqwerty <srgqwerty@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Which kernel should I choose with the following cpu?
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I think your CPU is perfectly suported by 2.6.8 smp kernel.



So, it is possible that the boot problem is caused by any other problem (i.e. 
your 2.6.8 smp kernel has not built in support for your root filesystem).



For example, if your root filesystem is ext3 and your kernel has compiled ext3 
support in a MODULE (or NO ext3 support)  you will not be able to load the 
ext3 kernel support (the ext3 MODULE) and, of course, you will NOT be able to 
boot.


Confused? Frustrated?X

Many other reasons are possible.



But, without the exact error messages is difficult to troubleshoot.



Regards



On Sunday 05 August 2007 18:44, you wrote:

> Thank you for your reply.
> I'm sorry that the machine is really far from my reach.
> And I asked someone who was not familiar with linux restart my server
> and choose my original kernel for me.
> I wonder if the 686 kernel of 2.6.18 is the right one for me.
> Thanks again for your reply.
>


> 2007/8/6, srgqwerty <srgqwerty@gmail.com>:
> > And what error messages had you got when the system failed to boot with
> > 2.6.8 smp kernel?
> > They are important in order to determine the boot failed reason.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On Sunday 05 August 2007 17:40, Kun Niu wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > > The following is the cat message from /proc/cpuinfo
> > > processor       : 0
> > > vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
> > > cpu family      : 15
> > > model           : 4
> > > model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz
> > > stepping        : 3
> > > cpu MHz         : 2800.220
> > > cache size      : 16 KB
> > > My present kernel is 2.4.27 on 386 system.
> > > I've ever tried 2.6.8 smp kernel but the system fails to boot.
> > > I wonder if the cpu is supported by etch and which kernel I should
> > > choose to use if it is supported.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help in advance.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> >
> > --
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org
> > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
> > listmaster@lists.debian.org

Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:57:52 -0700


From: Ross Boylan <RossBoylan@stanfordalumni.org>
To: Jeff <professorwagstaff@gmail.com>


Cc: RossBoylan@stanfordalumni.org,


        Debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>


Subject: Re: Get display back?

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On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 12:12 +1200, Jeff wrote:

> I am a new Debian user . Had Etch installed and tried to install the 
> Nvidia driver without success. Now i cannot get the display working when 
> i boot Etch ! Just a blank screen? Can someone tell me how to get the 
> display back from boot up please?
> Thanks jeff
> 


Do you have X installed (xorg)?


Do you have an X greeter installed (xdm/kdm/gdm)?
If so, looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log should be revealing; check the
time stamp of the file to see if it corresponds to your last attempt
(vs. being from long ago, which would mean X may not have even tried
starting).


Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

I have an nVidia card that just doesn't work with the free (nv) driver,
but does work with the proprietary (nvidia-glx and others) drivers.
This might be the case for you.  Also, the proprietary drivers are not
available for 2.6.21 kernels (for now), but if you're using etch that
shouldn't be an issue.



Ross



Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:05:37 -0700


From: Ross Boylan <RossBoylan@stanfordalumni.org>
To: "Andrew J. Barr" <andrew.james.barr@gmail.com>
Cc: RossBoylan@stanfordalumni.org, debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Seeing files shared from an Apple computer

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On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 20:02 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote:

> On 8/4/07, Ross Boylan <RossBoylan@stanfordalumni.org> wrote:
> > I enabled "Personal File Sharing" on an iMac on my LAN, but can't seem
> > to see the files from KDE.  I have a pretty full installation of KDE
> > (testing), including kdnssd, and I have avahi and friends installed (but
> > dbus is not enabled).
> >
> > avahi-browse does seem to show the service: it lists the name of the
> > workstation and "Apple File Sharing" (along with a number of other
> > services.
> >
> > Howeve, when I browse in Konqueror under KDE, the only sign of the other
> > computer is under "Network Services" | "shared desktops".  This tries to
> > launch a remote desktop (RDP) app when I click it, and the connection
> > then fails ("the connection to the host has been interrupted").
> 
> You probably need AFP/AFS protocol support in your kernel, 

There is


CONFIG_AFS_FS=m


in the kernel, but I think that's for the Andrew File System.  Also,
it's a module for the stock kernels, so I should already have access to
it.



There is also an 


CONFIG_DEV_APPLETALK=m


option.  Again, it's enabled in the stock kernel.  Also, I think this
refers to using the Appletalk protocol, which Apple now deprecates in
favor of TCP/IP.



So I think my kernel is as set as it can be.

> and the
> associated user mode utilities. IIRC, there is a kioslave for that
> protocol, it may be in a separate package, however.

I though kdnssd, which I have installed, had the kioslave.  I can't find
anything else that looks relevant.  Here's the description.
Description: Zeroconf support for KDE


 A kioslave and kded module that provide Zeroconf support. Try
 "zeroconf:/" in Konqueror.



> 
> -- 
> Andrew Barr
> 
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> your economic theory makes no sense...
> 
> 
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