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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2105

Today's Topics: 

  Debian hangs randomly                 [ "Jogito nit"  ]
  Re: Looking for debian source packag  [ Mathias Brodala  ]
  Re: odd xorg-video-intel problem      [ Takehiko Abe  ]
  DNS problem on local network          [ Adam Hardy  ]
  Re: Any suggestions on good CLI news  [ John Hasler  ]
  Re: Weird cron behavior               [ Frank McCormick  ]
  Re: Installing xorg without all thos [ Robert S <robert.spam.me.senseless@ ]   Re: replacement for apt-listchanges? [ Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> ]

Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:27:44 +0200
From: "Jogito nit" <nictenemo@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Debian hangs randomly
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First of all, sorry about my english.

Do you need help?X

I have a problem with my Debian, it hangs randomly. I have tried to change the driver of my ati, I, ve tried without 3D acceleration. I thougth that was the memory, so i changed it, but it continue hang. When it hangs i cant do anything, no mouse, no keyboard. I=B4ve tried Kubuntu and Knoppix too, a= nd
the same problem. I=B4ve looked the logs and i cant find anything strange. = In
windows i dont have this problem. Can someone help me please.

I ussually use Kubuntu, but I=B4ve tested Debian to see if the problem happend, and of course it happends. So its not a problem of Debian I know, but i dont know what can i do, because i dont want to use windows. I have tested debian 4 etch, with kernel 2.6.18.

About 4 years ago i used mandrake, and I had a problem like that because th= e
micro heat to much and the kernel try to reduce the frequency, so it hang, but I=B4m not sure of this, I dont know if this can help.

If someone can help me it will be great.

My computer is :

P4 3,06 HT
Ati radeon 9700
Sound blaster live.
1024mb memory.

I think that is the most important.

Thanks a lot. 

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First of all, sorry about my english.<br><br>I have a problem with my Debia= n, it hangs randomly. I have tried to change the driver of my ati, I, ve tried without 3D acceleration. I thougth that was the memory, so i changed it, but it continue hang. When it hangs i cant do anything, no mouse, no keyboard. I=B4ve tried Kubuntu and Knoppix too, and the same problem. I=B4ve looked the logs and i cant find anything strange. In windows i dont have this problem. Can someone help me 

please.

I ussually use Kubuntu, but I=B4ve tested Debian to see if t=
he problem happend, and of course it happends. So its not a problem of Debi=
an I know, but i dont know what can i do, because i dont want to use window=
s. I have tested debian 4 etch, with kernel=20 2.6.18. <br><br>About 4 years ago i used mandrake, and I had a problem like=  that because the micro heat to much and the kernel try to reduce the frequ= ency, so it hang, but I=B4m not sure of this, I dont know if this can help. <br><br>If someone can help me it will be great.<br><br>My computer is :<br=
><br>P4 3,06 HT<br>Ati radeon 9700<br>Sound blaster live.<br>1024mb memory.=
<br><br>I think that is the most important.<br><br>Thanks a lot.<br clear= =3D"all"> 

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Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:49:46 +0200


From: Mathias Brodala <info@noctus.net>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Looking for debian source package as single tarball
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Hallo Mathieu.



Mathieu Malaterre, 06.08.2007 13:46:

>   According to:
>=20
>=20
> 
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-sourcepkg.html#s-pkg-sou=


rcearchives

>=20
> If there is no original source code - for example, if the package is
> specially prepared for Debian or the Debian maintainer is the same as
> the upstream maintainer - the format is slightly different: then there
> is no diff, and the tarfile is named package_version.tar.gz, and
> preferably contains a directory named package-version
>=20
>=20
>   I would appreciate if someone could point me to such a package, I
> haven't seen one so far (always comes in three files: *.dsc, tarball
> and diff).

Can't find what you're looking for?X

I=E2=80=99d go with the most obvious one: "apt".




Regards, Mathias



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Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:29:27 +0900


From: Takehiko Abe <keke@gol.com>


To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: odd xorg-video-intel problem

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I pulled the latest xf86-video-intel source from freedesktop.org,
and it magically cured the symptom.


Don't know where to look next?X

My Xorg.0.log still shows the same error entries as before:



  (EE) intel(0): Unable to write to SDVOCTRL_E for SDVOB Slave 0x70.



So, at least they are not the culprit. Now that the pain is gone, I'll
probably never know the real cause.




Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


>> I wonder how modlines and the control panel interacts. If the setting
>> in a control panel overrides modeline setting, why do I need modelines?
>
>
> the control panel doesn't override the modelines. It presents a list
> of all available modes as determined by xorg. This includes probed
> modes that may not be specified in the xorg.conf.


Ah, I see.


> [...]
>
> This custom modeline I entered into xrg.conf with a names like
> 1440x900_75. I think the _ was critical as it put that modeline at the
> top of the list which makes it the one xorg chooses.


That's interesting.


> Other attempts by
> me used a more normal mode name and that put the mode further down the
> list causing xorg to not choose it by default (the list I'm referring

Confused? Frustrated?X

> to is the one produced by xrandr which is what xorg uses now, I
> believe).
>
> pertinent parts of xorg.conf
>
>
> Section "Device"
>         Identifier      "Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE
>         Chipset Integrated Graphics Device"
>         Driver          "intel"
>         BusID           "PCI:0:2:0"
> #       Option          "UseFBDev"              "true"
>         Option          "ModeDebug" "YES"
>         Option          "Monitor-VGA" "19MVWK"
> EndSection
>
> note the "Monitor-VGA" option which specifies whichmonitor to
> use. Though we only have one, I believe this is important.


I used "Monitor-TMDS-1" instead since my monitor is connected to SDVO
DVI connector. But I couldn't get X to use my modeline.  And I did not
try harder because the X is already in the right mode. (At first, I
suspected the refresh rates were wrong.  But they turned out to be
correct according to the monitor manual.)



The problem is that some parts of my monitor thinks it is in "640x350"
resolution and complains about it.



Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

Thanks,


T.



Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:39:56 +0100


From: Adam Hardy <adam.ant@cyberspaceroad.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: DNS problem on local network

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I installed dnsmasq to run DNS and DHCP servers on my little home network of 4 
PCs and a couple of laptops, and everything was going fine, internet browsing, 
ssh, ftp by IP address etc.



Now I am trying to get DNS to work for local machines but it won't co-operate. I 
spent the last couple of hours pouring over HOWTOs and FAQs trying to work out 
the problem but I'm stuck with a few errors messages which I suspect point to 
something totally obvious to those in the know.



My server isengard runs dnsmasq to provide the dhcp clients. However it doesn't 
recognise any internal network domain name:



isengard:~# hostname


isengard

isengard:~# hostname --fqdn
hostname: Unknown host
isengard:~# nslookup gondor
Server:         194.74.65.69
Address:        194.74.65.69#53

  •   server can't find gondor: NXDOMAIN






I worked out the domain name should go into /etc/resolv.conf ( 
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO-5.html ) but then it seems that this is 
under the control of something else.


Do you need help?X

isengard is running etch, installed from scratch, so I figured I made an error 
in the config setup.



On my main client, gondor, I have a similar problem. Plus programs such as xfce 
give me warning messages that I should put my hostname in my /etc/hosts file.



Any insights would be welcome,



Adam



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:46:31 +0200


From: "Mathieu Malaterre" <mathieu.malaterre@gmail.com>
To: "Debian User Mailing List" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Looking for debian source package as single tarball

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Hello,




  According to:



Do you need more help?X
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-sourcepkg.html#s-pkg-sourcearchives

If there is no original source code - for example, if the package is
specially prepared for Debian or the Debian maintainer is the same as
the upstream maintainer - the format is slightly different: then there
is no diff, and the tarfile is named package_version.tar.gz, and
preferably contains a directory named package-version




  I would appreciate if someone could point me to such a package, I
haven't seen one so far (always comes in three files: *.dsc, tarball
and diff).



Thanks,


-- 
Mathieu


Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:55:46 +0100
From: "Alan Chandler" <alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how
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> On 8/4/07, Alan Chandler <alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>> I have a Core2 Duo on which I am running a 686 kernel (from Debian
>> unstable).  It has 1GB of memory 
>>
>> I am wondering two things 
>>
>> a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode?
>>         - Is it faster?

I am only responding to this particular message in the thread because my 
computer is still not fully operational and this is the only way (at the 
moment) to comment on this process. 

The whole process has been a nightmare - and not really anything to do with 
64 bit architecture - although I haven't yet got to the point of finding out 
how to run flash in IceWeasel and Konqueror 

I had a raid 1 setup with a 32M /boot partition, a 4G / partition and a 
large LVM on raid 1 partition for the rest (except swap - which takes equal 
space on my two drives).  The drives are SATA - originally on /dev/sda and 
/dev/sdb 

I used the debian netinst disk from this weeks lenny. 

Firstly I wanted to increase /boot from 32M to 100M because I kept getting 
disk full on upgrades. So in the installer I deleted the /boot and swap 
partitions and recreated them. 

For reasons I don't understand - although the old raid devices had both 
/dev/md[12] and /dev/md/[12] entries the new boot only had a /dev/md3 entry. 

However the installation seem to go well until it ran grub to install the 
boot sector.  Thie "appeared" to work.  However, as soon as I tried 
rebooting this new system the BIOS told me it couldn't find a boot disk. 

Everywhere I searched on the net, there is plenty of people who claim it 
does work - and with examples of what to do.  I tried them all - but none 
worked.  I even tried lilo - but I couldn't get that to work either. 

After much frustration I decided to just try installing the new system 
without raid on root and boot partitions.  This is where the problem with 
the /dev/md3 entry wouldn't work because the partitioner failed to allow me 
to delete this device.  Again after much frustration I created a symlink  
/dev/md/3 to /dev/md3 and was able to make it work. 

So I installed a system where / and /boot are not on raid and low and behold 
grub seemed to successfully install the boot sector and I could boot the 
disks. 

However I now hit the next problem = the installer somehow thought my drives 
were /dev/sde and /dev/sdf  (rather than /dev/sda and /dev/sdb that they 
originally were) so created /etc/fstab, and the grub menu.lst entries 
refering to these drives.  However when booting the new system it expected 
/dev/sda and /dev/sdb and so root failed to mount.  I had to go back into 
the installer and manually edit files in the target system to make it work. 

I have been able to go back to raid - by using mdadm to create a raid 1 
array with a missing entry and /dev/sdb[13] as the component devices.  I 
mounted these as /dev/md1 and /dev/md3 and rsync'ed the contents of / 
(/dev/sda3) and /boot (dev/sda1) across to them.  Editing in fstab and 
grub's menu.lst to reflect the change of devices and a reboot I had a system 
running on raid.  Finally repartitioned /dev/sda[13] as raid autodetect 
partitions and added them into the existing arrays as the second device. 

I did make a big mistake at this point and forgot to 

a) Update /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf with the raid array details
b) Run update-initramfs 

So on next reboot I got bounced into a shell inside initramfs and had to 
manually assemble to raid arrays before I could carry on (and then correct 
that mistake). 

Hopefully when I get home from work this evening I can continue (can't get 
Xorg working - but I have a backup of my xorg.conf so that should solve 
this).
 

 --
Alan Chandler
alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk
(via webmail - normally means I am not at my computer)



Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:07:00 +0200
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_B=E4chler?= <linux@boeser.ch>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: [OT] Recommended Router Hardware
Message-ID: <46B72B04.107@boeser.ch>
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Hi Everyone

I want to improve my home network. I have got a Laptop and an old 
desktop machine. I want to use the old desktop for server services such 
as web- and mail-sever.
I am connected to the ISP using a cable modem.

Question A:
Can someone recommend a router with the following properties:
-NAT
-port forwarding

Question B:
Is it possible to install FREESCO on top of a commercial router 
(hardware, e.g. linksys, netgear etc.)

Question C:
Any recommendations for Guides, HOWTOs about networking.

Question D:
Are there any mailing lists for conceptional discussions about Computers?

Cheers

Sam



Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:20:45 -0500
From: John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?
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Vincent Lef=E8vre writes:
> Just look at the subject of this thread.

Threads drift.  What is your better solution to the general problem of
brokenness in Unstable?
--=20
John Hasler



Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:25:30 -0500
From: John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Any suggestions on good CLI newsreaders?
Message-ID: <87vebs3l51.fsf@toncho.dhh.gt.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Amit writes:
> Any of you use newsreaders from the commandline.

I doubt anyone uses a command-line newsreader but many use text-only
newsreaders such as slrn and trn.  I use gnus, which can be either
text-only on a console or GUI in X.

> I'm using an old laptop with debian and I read a lot of news everyday and
> loading the websites seems such a pain and slow process.

What do Web sites have to do with news?
-- 
John Hasler


Can we help you?X

Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:45:23 -0400
From: Frank McCormick <fmccormick@videotron.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Weird cron behavior
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:01:47 -0400
Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 09:26:28AM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> > 
> > I left my machine on overnight ( I usually don't )  and got these
> > messages in my mail this morning:
> 
> You mean that you don't run anacron when you don't leave the compuer
> on overnight?  There are _lots_ of default scripts in /etc/cron.daily
> that need to run.


   Yes I run anacron - but what explains the mail? The machine has been
on from 7 am until midnight quite often but never did anything like
this before.

Cheers

-- 
    Change the world one loan at a time - visit Kiva.org to find out how
    
    
    
    
    



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:52:45 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Installing xorg without all those video drivers
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:39:05PM +1000, Robert S wrote:
> I'd like to install xorg, but only with the video drivers that I need.
> I'm doing a net install.

Here's how I do it:

First, I use aptitude interactively.  If you haven't used aptitude
before, then that's a separate project to do first.  Aptitude gives you
a curses interface similar to but more powerful than dselect.  Aptitude
keeps track of which packages were installed by you and which were
installed to meet dependencies.  So far, similiar to apt-get.  However,
when you remove a package that you installed, aptitude will remove
anything that then doesn't have anything depending on it that was marked
as automatic.

Then, I go to the xorg meta-package.  I scroll down to the things it
depends on and I select them manually, and I dig down into the
dependancies and adjust things.  For example, somewhere there a package
will depend on _either_ an -all package or a device-specific package.
Left on its own, it will pull in the -all whereas I can mark the device
spcific package for manual and deselect the -all.

It sounds more complicated than it is.  I'm comfortable with aptitude so
its not.

Doug.



Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:56:46 -0400
From: Frank McCormick <fmccormick@videotron.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Weird cron behavior
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:41:20 +0300
Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 09:26:28AM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> > 
> > I left my machine on overnight ( I usually don't )  and got these
> > messages in my mail this morning:
> 
> You probably have cron-apt installed.


   No...not on this machine.



Cheers

-- 
    Change the world one loan at a time - visit Kiva.org to find out how
    
    
    
    
    



Date:  Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:04:16 -0500
From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?
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John Hasler wrote:
> Vincent Lef=E8vre writes:
>> Just look at the subject of this thread.
>=20
> Threads drift.  What is your better solution to the general problem of
> brokenness in Unstable?

Brokenness in Unstable:
1. Research Bugs + google lists.
2. If you find a hit apply the fix.
3. If not, wait a while and upgrade again.

Unstable being Unstable this is the best possible solution.
Has worked for years now.
I could try Etch, am awaiting arrival of the DVD. Maybe not :-)

While we're at it could the OP refrain from ad hominem replies please.



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:06:04 -0400
From: Curt Howland <Howland@priss.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es
Subject: Re: Missing /dev/raw1394
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On Monday 06 August 2007, debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org 
was heard to say:
> > Hi. Up to date Sid, 2.6.22
> > Funny thing is, /dev/raw1394 doesn't exist.

Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es> recommended:
> modprobe raw1394
>
> (This module does not seem to get loaded automatically for all
> hardware. I have no idea why that is or how to fix that.)

Interesting!

- --------------
# uname -a
Linux desktop 2.6.22-1-686 #1 SMP Sun Jul 29 14:37:42 UTC 2007 i686 
GNU/Linux
# modprobe raw1394
FATAL: Module raw1394 not found.
- --------------

In the /boot/config-2.6.22-1-686,
- --------------
# IEEE 1394 (FireWire) support
#
CONFIG_FIREWIRE=m
CONFIG_FIREWIRE_OHCI=m
CONFIG_FIREWIRE_SBP2=m
# CONFIG_IEEE1394 is not set
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The plot thickens! What else can I look for?

Curt-

- -- 
September 11th, 2001
The proudest day for gun control and central 
planning advocates in American history

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Date:  Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:09:33 +1000
From: Robert S <robert.spam.me.senseless@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: Installing xorg without all those video drivers
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> Then, I go to the xorg meta-package.  I scroll down to the things it
> depends on and I select them manually, and I dig down into the
> dependancies and adjust things.  For example, somewhere there a package
> will depend on _either_ an -all package or a device-specific package.
> Left on its own, it will pull in the -all whereas I can mark the device
> spcific package for manual and deselect the -all.
> 

Thanks.  I'll give it a go tomorrow and will report back on progress.



Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:16:08 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?
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On 08/06/07 04:18, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2007-08-05 23:01:24 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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>> On 08/05/07 20:33, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>>> On 2007-08-05 17:46:41 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>> python-apt broke, and was fixed soon after.  Unless you are running
>>>> Stable, you are supposed to tolerate this kind of activity.
>>> These kinds of answers really become annoying.
>> The truth sometimes is.  You *really* ought to read the Unstable FAQ.
>>
>> http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html
>>
>> Especially question #5.
>>
>> http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html#5
> 
> Please, could you make constructive answers? I know that things can
> break. But they are ways to work around them (have you heard of fault
> tolerance?).

Your original question was woefully lacking in detail.

>              I've reported the problem. The bug was tagged as wontfix
> because the maintainer of the package doesn't care that things can
> break in other packages and prefers to return with an exit status of 0
> even if the program failed (which is against what an exit status is
> meant for).

Maybe you filed the bug against the wrong package?

What package did you file it against?  apt?

Or maybe you now need to file a bug saying that "it" returns 0 even
in a failure condition.

>> How diligently did you look for a better solution?  What were your
>> results?  Telling us that in your OP, along with bug #435674 tells
>> us that you are serious instead of a whiney Windows escapee.
> 
> You are getting ridiculous. FYI, I don't use Windows and have never
> used Windows. If you don't have constructive remarks, please shut up.

Next time, ask a better question.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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