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debian-user-digest Digest V2007 #2112

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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2112

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Any suggestions on good CLI news  [ John K Masters  ]
  Re: cups yet again                    [ Florian Kulzer  ]
  Re: How to disable ipv6 tunneling     [ Marko Randjelovic  ]
  Re: cups yet again                    [ Douglas Allan Tutty  ]
  Re: DNS problem on local network      [ Adam Hardy 
  Re: Installing xorg without all thos  [ Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmai ]



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:31:07 +0100


From: John K Masters <johnmasters@oxtedonline.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Any suggestions on good CLI newsreaders?

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On 18:09 Mon 06 Aug     , Amit Uttamchandani wrote:


> 
> > That's a different beast - by asking for a newsreader, you got
> > recommendations for usenet newsreaders...
> 
> You are right. I actually meant RSS newsreaders. Thank you for clearing it up.
> 
> Amit
> 

Ah, now I see what you're after. 



This may not be quite what you're looking for but:-


http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Office/News-Diary/RSSTail-24912.shtml
Do you need help?X

Looks fairly minimal but maybe that's what you want.



Regards, John

-- 
War is God's way of teaching Americans geography
Ambrose Bierce (1842 - 1914)


Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:50:37 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Opera or kde-pim
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On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 12:37:19PM -0400, Rick wrote:

> Thought I would ask, to see if anyone has drop kmail (kde-pim) and switch=

 over, to Opera to use it for email, web, IRC, IM, ....etc

> how does it compare ? any advantages, besides a single app verus multiply=

 apps..=20

> Kinda like the idea, of a unified app, that can do it all (within) itself.


Due to your mail I installed Opera (again) and I'm currently using it as=20
my main browser. I also checked the mail client and IRC client. Here are=20
my oppinions:

* Browser: Opera starts faster than Iceweasel (or Konqueror) and seems=20
  to render some pages better. Flash won't work without the unfree adobe=20
  plugin though.

* Mail client: although it is not very configurable it has sane (for me)=20
  defaults and a very interesting fully automatic sorting which seems to=20
  work pretty good. If it had a reply-to-list I would consider switching=20
  away from claws-mail, which has been my favorite GUI client for some=20
  time now.

* IRC client: I'm not a big IRC user so for my needs it seems to be more=20
  than adequate.

Considering that Opera seems to be faster than Iceweasel or Konqueror=20
AND it brings additional value with the mail and IRC client it is a=20
pretty strong alternative. Right now the only things keeping me back are=20
the licence (free but not open) and the missing reply-to-list. As I'm=20
not (very) politically inclined I'll go hunt for an=20
add-on/plugin/whatever.

Regards,
Andrei
P.S. Opera has setup a nice APT repository for all Debian versions=20
(stable,  testing, unstable) and the package seems to integrate very=20
well.
--=20
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(Albert Einstein)

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Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:22:57 -0500
From: John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Any suggestions on good CLI newsreaders?
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Amit writes:

> Any of you use newsreaders from the commandline.


I wrote:

> What do Web sites have to do with news?

> News websites such as cnn, news.com, nytimes, etc.


"Newsreader" means _Usenet_.


> They have too many graphics and ads which are not necessary. I guess I'm
> just looking for a more efficient may to read the news.


You want an adblocker for your Web browser.  I use Privoxy.
-- 
John Hasler



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:30:51 +0200
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: cups yet again
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 18:52:56 +0100, graham wrote:

> Florian Kulzer wrote:

>> On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 17:02:07 +0100, graham wrote:
>
>>> I have a standard printer with a reliable driver (Brother HL5040). It was 
>>> working using the parallel port on my old PC. Said PC died, replaced it 
>>> with a new one, installed 64bit lenny. Configured cups for printer, all 
>>> appears ok (ie. ppd file ok, printer status recognized etc). On printing 
>>> anything at all (including the test page) all I get is what appears to be 
>>> misinterpreted postscript. One line of gibberish per page, followed by a 
>>> page feed. 
>> Post your /etc/cups/printers.conf please. (Watch out, this file can
>> contain clear-text passwords if you have configured networked printing.
>> If this is the case then it is advisable to replace the sensitive data
>> with generic placeholders before posting.)
>

> As follows (auto-generated, I have made no manual changes)

>

> # Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.2.12
> # Written by cupsd on 2007-08-06 16:08
> <Printer HL-5040>
> Info HL-5040
> DeviceURI parallel:/dev/lp0
> State Idle
> StateTime 1186412905
> Accepting Yes
> Shared Yes
> JobSheets none none
> QuotaPeriod 0
> PageLimit 0
> KLimit 0
> OpPolicy default
> ErrorPolicy stop-printer
> </Printer>


That looks pretty OK to me. There are a few things to check now (post
the results here):

- What are the permissions of /dev/lp0? ("ls -l /dev/lp0") Most likely
  they will be correct since you are allowed to access the printer, but
  it cannot hurt to check. Also, are you a member of the lp and lpadmin
  groups?

- Is the printer reported correctly if you run
  /usr/lib/cups/backend/parallel
  ?

- Has the ppd file been copied to /etc/cups/ppd/HL-5040.ppd? The owner
  should be cupsys, group lp and the permissions should be 0644. You can
  check if the file corresponds to the correct driver with:
  grep '^*NickName:' /etc/cups/ppd/HL-5040.ppd

- The foomatic-filters-ppds package has four different ppd files for the
  Brother HL-5040. Did you try them all?


> There is a presumably unrelated second problem: I can send the test page 
> from the server on port 631 ok (though it doesn't actually print 
> correctly), but if I send it from the gnome printer admin applet, the job 
> immediately appears as 'stopped' and I am unable to do anything further 
> till I have removed it.


I don't know the Gnome printing utilities, so I cannot help here. In any
case, we first need to get the test page working when triggered from the
CUPS frontend.

-- 
Regards,            | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:50:20 +0000 (UTC)
From: Amit Uttamchandani <amit.uttam@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: Any suggestions on good CLI newsreaders?
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> You want an adblocker for your Web browser.  I use Privoxy.


I just checked out the Privoxy web site. Very interesting. I will definitely
give it a try. Do you notice any downsides to using Privoxy? Mainly speed issues
when loading web pages?



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:53:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: ISHWAR RATTAN <rattan@cps.cmich.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Capture of video stream..
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708061450040.23769@cps229.cps.cmich.edu>
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I want to capture streamed video from a youtube
link. I think that it can be done using mplayer
but can't find the exact invocation..

Can the same trick be used to capture streamed
audio too?

Thanks in advance.
-ishwar



Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:57:17 +0000
From: bob.middaugh@comcast.net (Bob Middaugh)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org (debian)
Subject: login via GDM don't get desktop
Message-Id: <080620071857.25742.46B76F0D000679B40000648E220702085308099A0E0B0B0703D20D010D@comcast.net>

Hi,
I just installed the latest version.  When I login via GDM, I just see the cursor and the background.  I never get a "full" desktop.  I installed from the minimal CD.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Bob


Do you need more help?X

Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:02:09 -0500
From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian can't mount Camera Memory Stick
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Mike McCarty wrote:

> My GF has a situation in which she cannot mount a camera memory
> stick. Here's the setup...
> 
> CPU<--->HUB<--->Dazzle[<--Stick
> 
> The HUB is from Radio Shack. The Dazzle is a device used to
> interface the memory stick with USB. The memory stick is
> a Sandisk 128 MB memory stick for a camera. Using her laptop
> and XP, with the same Dazzle and memory stick, it mounts
> just fine. With her desktop and Debian, it fails to mount.
> 
> Also connected to the hub are a WD USB hard disc, and an HP printer,
> both of which work fine with Debian.


Well, I tried plugging the Dazzle directly into another USB
port, and it mounts just fine. So, why can't the stick mount
through the hub? The "real" disc mounts fine.

The USB ports on this machine are in the back, and it's
inside an armoire so basically enclosed. Since the Dazzle
needs to move to other computers as well, it's inconvenient
to pull the CPU box out and plug it in that way. I'd just
run the cable up to the top and leave it that way, otherwise,
but it does need to move.

In syslog I see problems reading the MBR from the "disc",
and fdisk can't read it, either.

Mike
-- 
p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}
Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN.
This message made from 100% recycled bits.
You have found the bank of Larn.
I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.
I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!



Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:13:52 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Capture of video stream..
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On 08/06/07 13:53, ISHWAR RATTAN wrote:

> 
> I want to capture streamed video from a youtube
> link. I think that it can be done using mplayer
> but can't find the exact invocation..
> 
> Can the same trick be used to capture streamed
> audio too?
> 
> Thanks in advance.


No need to capture a stream.

Search apt-cache for youtube and you'll find your answer.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:15:46 +0200
From: Marko Randjelovic <marel@sbb.co.yu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to disable ipv6 tunneling
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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 04:57:30PM +0200, Marko Randjelovic wrote:

>> I run Etch and at every boot, as message on the screen states, it
>> activates some "ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling driver" and it lasts several
>> seconds. I don't need ipv6. How can it be disabled?

> 
> I think you can blacklist the ipv6 module.
> 
> A


I blacklisted the modules, now it shows a message about not loading it,
but waites for 10 seconds anyway. Does someone have a better idea?



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:25:18 -0400
From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: cups yet again
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:14:25PM +0100, graham wrote:

> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 05:02:07PM +0100, graham wrote:
> >>Yet another cups problem (the one program which makes me feel like I do 
> >>when running windows - like putting a foot through the computer).
> >
> >So why run cups?  Use LPRng and Apsfilter or foomatic print filters.
> >
> 
> Cos what I'd understood from other threads was that this would mean 
> swimming against the tide, since cups is now the default for both debian 
> and gnome, and because I had understood that lprng was no longer 
> supported. I'm really hoping to spend the minimum of time possible 
> maintaining printers; they don't interest me much ;-)
> 


LPRng does look a little long-in-the-tooth.  The web page is dated '5
Oct 2004' for the same version as debian ships.

On the other hand, good'ol lpr is up-to-date (still the default,
constantly maintaind, on Net- and OpenBSD), sourced from OpenBSD.  The
bug reports are rather silly, such as "Installing LPR over LPRng doesn't
work" (of course not, command file names), "lpr fails to modprobe the
paralell port" (of course not, that's your job), etc.

This is, in fact, what I use.  Lpr with apsfilter.  Simple to setup,
well documented.  It works.

Doug.



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:42:23 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian can't mount Camera Memory Stick
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 02:02:09PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:


> Well, I tried plugging the Dazzle directly into another USB
> port, and it mounts just fine. So, why can't the stick mount
> through the hub? The "real" disc mounts fine.


Are there any options you can pass to the relevant module? Otherwise I=20
think it's a bug in the module (though I'm far from being an expert).

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
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Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:12:00 -0500
From: John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Any suggestions on good CLI newsreaders?
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Amit writes:

> I just checked out the Privoxy web site. Very interesting. I will
> definitely give it a try. Do you notice any downsides to using Privoxy?


No.  Note that there is a Privoxy package in Debian,
-- 
John Hasler



Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:30:01 +0100
From: Adam Hardy <adam.ant@cyberspaceroad.com>
To: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
Cc: List Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: DNS problem on local network
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David Brodbeck on 06/08/07 19:11, wrote:

> On Aug 6, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Adam Hardy wrote:

>>
>> adam@gondor:~$ cat /etc/hosts
>> 127.0.0.1       localhost localhost.localdomain
>>
>> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
>> ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
>> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
>> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
>> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
>> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
>> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
>>
>> So I should put gondor in there on the same line as the localhost?
>>
>> And on the dnsmasq box it's the same. I can enter the IP address of 
>> the box's NIC on the internal network into /etc/hosts because it's 
>> fixed, but all the DHCP clients?

> 
> If the machine has a fixed IP, you want that on the /etc/hosts line for 
> its name, generally speaking.  Putting it on the same line as 127.0.0.1 
> can confuse some software.
> 
> So if you have a machine named foo.bar.net with an IP of 192.168.127.50, 
> the /etc/hosts entry would look like this:
> 
> 192.168.127.50    foo.bar.net foo
> 
> This associates the names "foo.bar.net" and "foo" with that IP.
> 
> I'm not entirely clear on what you're trying to do, but dnsmasq can 
> probably serve DNS records for your DHCP clients if you configure it 
> properly.  If you explain a little more what you're trying to do and 


I'm trying to enable DNS on my internal network. I think you missed the first 
email I sent but this is one of the main symptoms:


isengard:~# hostname
isengard
isengard:~# hostname --fqdn
hostname: Unknown host
isengard:~# nslookup gondor
Server:         194.74.65.69
Address:        194.74.65.69#53

** server can't find gondor: NXDOMAIN

It seems to me that my internal network does not have domain configured properly 
and that this is causing dnsmasq to try to look it up on the internet, but I 
can't find any info on it.

On my dnsmasq/dhcp server, I can put the IP for the internal NIC into the 
/etc/hosts. However I can't do that for the DHCP clients. Perhaps this is purely 
down to a dnsmasq config issue but I think that it needs me to change something 
more basic such as the domain, to something like 'localdomain'.

Other symptoms include xfce showing this error:

Could not look up internet address for gondor. It may be possible to correct the 
problem by adding gondor to the file /etc/hosts.



Thanks
Adam



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:50:22 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Kmail - satellite server error...
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 06:40:28PM +1000, Charlie wrote:

> Subject copied over to Kmail...........

>=20

> Kmail works with the satellite server now? A long online chat and Kmail w=

orks=20

> a treat as ever. Phew........

>=20

> Thanks to everyone for your help. It is much appreciated, and by using th=

e=20

> ideas you put forward probably helped to get this working.


Though I'm not using kmail I'm curious what you did to make it work and=20
it's also good to have the answer in the archives, for others to find.

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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Can we help you?X

Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:55:39 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: encoding messes?
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 02:51:04AM -0400, Eric d'Alibut wrote:

> On 8/6/07, Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:

>=20

> > You could try experimenting with locales. en_US.UTF-8 would be my first
> > choice.

>=20

> And a most excellent choice it is! Did the trick.

>=20

> Thank you sir.


Sir? I don't know who you're talking about :) but I'm glad my idea=20
helped.

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:37:16 +0200
From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?
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On 2007-08-06 08:16:08 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

> Your original question was woefully lacking in detail.


I didn't want to enter into technical details as this would lead to
nowhere, IMHO.


> >              I've reported the problem. The bug was tagged as wontfix
> > because the maintainer of the package doesn't care that things can
> > break in other packages and prefers to return with an exit status of =

0

> > even if the program failed (which is against what an exit status is
> > meant for).

>=20

> Maybe you filed the bug against the wrong package?
> What package did you file it against?  apt?


It was the right package: apt-listchanges.

Note: the bug first came from of a bug in apt/python-apt, but the
problem is that apt-listchanges did ignore the error. Hence my bug
report against apt-listchanges "apt-listchanges lets the package
installation without user confirmation in case of error".


> Or maybe you now need to file a bug saying that "it" returns 0 even
> in a failure condition.


I suggested that as a simple workaround. The maintainer doesn't want
to change it because some users (running unstable) don't know how to
disable a package (it may be needed to disable apt-listchanges
temporarily to fix things). That's quite surprising for users who
run unstable... Of course, this may need more work from the user,
but with less risk to break the system.

But there could be better solutions such as using a wrapper, as
I suggested first in my bug report:

When apt-listchanges cannot run (e.g. because of bug 435674), the
user misses all the changelog information (which may contain critical
information, such as some NEWS announcements). So (in particular
because breakage due to python occurs too frequently), it is important
that apt-listchanges runs in a wrapper with few dependencies (e.g.
only the libc) so that it can warn the user if the changelog/news
information cannot be displayed and let the user abort the
installation.

--=20
Vincent Lef=E8vre <vincent(at)vinc17.org> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.org/>
100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.org/blog/>
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:08:43 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: using ssl on part of a website
Message-ID: <20070806200843.GE28897@localhost.localdomain>
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Hi guys, I'm having real trouble figuring out how to do this.=20

I've got a wiki running ikiwiki and I'd like to get the log-in/editing
portion out of clear text. the obvious thing seems to be to use SSL,
but I don't want to ssl the whole site, just the part accessed through
the cgi scripts that take logins and edit stuff. Can someone give me
some pointers?=20

I've tried using mod_rewrite to point all cgi-bin/ URIs to
https://blah/cgi-bin/ but that only partially works as the complete
urls generated within that don't work properly. Maybe i'm missing
something there.=20

I cannot just put ssl directives into a <Directory>  stanza as that
fails right out.=20

thanks

A

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:11:04 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Installing xorg without all those video drivers
Message-ID: <20070806201104.GF4465@think.homenet>
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:39:05PM +1000, Robert S wrote:

> I'd like to install xorg, but only with the video drivers that I need.  I=

'm=20

> doing a net install.

>=20

> A query on the Debian IRC yielded "painfully, without using the meta pack=

age=20

> that pulls them in".

>=20

> Maybe there's a HOWTO somewhere out there that somebody can direct me to.=

=20

I do it by trial and error, but usually I start from the things I know I=20
need for sure.

xserver-xorg-video-intel (replace with your driver)
xserver-xorg-vesa (just for backup)
xserver-xorg-input-kbd
xserver-xorg-input-mouse

Spice with some xfonts:

xfonts-100dpi
xfonts-75dpi (probably don't need those as I run X with 100 dpi)
xfonts-base
xfonts-terminus (my favorite :)

All other xorg packages I can spot are marked auto-installed so they=20
were pulled in as dependencies.

Don't forget to turn off recommends first (at least temporary).

If I didn't forget anything you should have a running xorg, otherwise=20
post the error message :)

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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