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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2113

Today's Topics: 

  RE: DNS problem on local network      [  ]
  Re: [OT] Recommended Router Hardware  [ Andrei Popescu  ]
  Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: Hard disk dying?                  [ Andrei Popescu 

Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:04:23 +0200


From: <debian@reinketelaars.nl>


To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>


Subject: RE: DNS problem on local network
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> I installed dnsmasq to run DNS and DHCP servers on my little home network

of

> 4
> PCs and a couple of laptops, and everything was going fine, internet
> browsing,
> ssh, ftp by IP address etc.
> 
> Now I am trying to get DNS to work for local machines but it won't co-
> operate. I
> spent the last couple of hours pouring over HOWTOs and FAQs trying to work
> out
> the problem but I'm stuck with a few errors messages which I suspect point

to

> something totally obvious to those in the know.
> 
> My server isengard runs dnsmasq to provide the dhcp clients. However it
> doesn't
> recognise any internal network domain name:
> 
> isengard:~# hostname
> isengard
> isengard:~# hostname --fqdn
> hostname: Unknown host
> isengard:~# nslookup gondor
> Server:         194.74.65.69
> Address:        194.74.65.69#53
> 
> ** server can't find gondor: NXDOMAIN
> 
> 
> 
> I worked out the domain name should go into /etc/resolv.conf (
> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO-5.html ) but then it seems that

this

> is
> under the control of something else.

The domain name should go into /etc/resolv.conf
You also have to assign the first nameserver to be _your_ nameserver and not
your ISP's.


Do you need help?X

# cat /etc/resolv.conf


search isengard.net


nameserver 127.0.0.1


nameserver ...


nameserver ...


> 
> isengard is running etch, installed from scratch, so I figured I made an
> error
> in the config setup.
> 
> On my main client, gondor, I have a similar problem. Plus programs such as
> xfce
> give me warning messages that I should put my hostname in my /etc/hosts

file.

> 
> Any insights would be welcome,
> 
> Adam

Good luck, Rein



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:22:53 +0300


From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: [OT] Recommended Router Hardware
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 08:45:21AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


Do you need more help?X
> > Well - it isn't that old. It is a Compaq Desktop EN, Pentium III with a=

bout=20

> > 500MB RAM. But there is only one Ethernet-Connection which - I guess - =

can=20

> > be solved by using a Hub or Switch, isn't it?
>=20


> no. to use a desktop machine as a router, you need two network
> connections: one for the local network to attach to and one for the
> internet at large. The computer then routes packets appropriately and

I've read somewhere that it can be done with one card, but it's very=20
difficult to setup. Did you mean Deskpro EN? I've used one of those for=20
the very same purpose with Coyote Linux (also runs from a floppy). But I=20
put a cheapo Realtek based in one of the PCI slots (there are two if I'm=20
not mistaken). It's own card is on-board.



Regards,


Andrei


--=20


If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)



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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:49:00 +0200


From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?

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Can we help you?X

On 2007-08-06 07:20:45 -0500, John Hasler wrote:

> Vincent Lef=E8vre writes:
> > Just look at the subject of this thread.
>=20


> Threads drift.  What is your better solution to the general problem of
> brokenness in Unstable?

The wanted solution concerns a particular problem amongst the general
problem ofbrokenness in unstable. Note: I didn't complain that unstable
could break, just like some package (apt-listchanges) didn't handle the
break correctly, and the maintainer doesn't want to handle it correctly
(or at least in a better way). So, I sought to replace apt-listchanges
by another package (or 3rd-party software) that would have similar
features. Hence my question: replacement for apt-listchanges?



Note: there's also the solution to modify /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchang=
es


but this is not a 100% satisfactory solution (because conffile handling
in Debian is sometimes buggy).



--=20


Vincent Lef=E8vre <vincent(at)vinc17.org> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.org/>
100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.org/blog/>
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:26:18 +0300


From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: How to disable ipv6 tunneling
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 09:15:46PM +0200, Marko Randjelovic wrote:

> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 04:57:30PM +0200, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> >> I run Etch and at every boot, as message on the screen states, it
> >> activates some "ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling driver" and it lasts several
> >> seconds. I don't need ipv6. How can it be disabled?
> >=20
> > I think you can blacklist the ipv6 module.
> >=20
> > A
>=20


> I blacklisted the modules, now it shows a message about not loading it,
> but waites for 10 seconds anyway. Does someone have a better idea?

Maybe ipv6 was not the culprit. Try setting 'VERBOSE=3Dyes' in=20
/etc/default/rcS, maybe you get more info.



Regards,


Andrei


--=20


If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)



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Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:13:10 -0500


From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?

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On 08/06/07 14:37, Vincent Lefevre wrote:

> On 2007-08-06 08:16:08 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

[snip]

> 
>> Or maybe you now need to file a bug saying that "it" returns 0 even
>> in a failure condition.


> 
> I suggested that as a simple workaround. The maintainer doesn't want
> to change it because some users (running unstable) don't know how to
> disable a package (it may be needed to disable apt-listchanges
> temporarily to fix things). That's quite surprising for users who
> run unstable... Of course, this may need more work from the user,
> but with less risk to break the system.
> 
> But there could be better solutions such as using a wrapper, as
> I suggested first in my bug report:
> 
> When apt-listchanges cannot run (e.g. because of bug 435674), the

The last time that happened to me (6-8 months ago), I dropped
apt-listchanges.  Reinstalled it a few weeks later.


> user misses all the changelog information (which may contain critical
> information, such as some NEWS announcements). So (in particular

Excellent.


> because breakage due to python occurs too frequently), it is important

I still don't have any evidence that python breaks frequently.


> that apt-listchanges runs in a wrapper with few dependencies (e.g.
> only the libc) so that it can warn the user if the changelog/news
> information cannot be displayed and let the user abort the
> installation.
  •   --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA



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Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:14:15 -0500


From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?

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On 08/06/07 14:49, Vincent Lefevre wrote:

> On 2007-08-06 07:20:45 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>> Vincent Lef=E8vre writes:
>>> Just look at the subject of this thread.
>> Threads drift.  What is your better solution to the general problem of
>> brokenness in Unstable?
>=20


> The wanted solution concerns a particular problem amongst the general
> problem ofbrokenness in unstable. Note: I didn't complain that unstable
> could break, just like some package (apt-listchanges) didn't handle the
> break correctly, and the maintainer doesn't want to handle it correctly
> (or at least in a better way). So, I sought to replace apt-listchanges
> by another package (or 3rd-party software) that would have similar
> features. Hence my question: replacement for apt-listchanges?

And this is what you should have told us in the first place.  You'd
have gotten a HELL of a better reception.


> Note: there's also the solution to modify /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listcha=

nges

> but this is not a 100% satisfactory solution (because conffile handling
> in Debian is sometimes buggy).


>=20




  •   --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA



Do you need help?X

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:37:53 +0300


From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Hard disk dying?


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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 01:56:41PM -0400, Justin Piszcz wrote:


> Your disk looks OK to me, I have seen Device Status Error in the past as=

=20

> well but never suffered any ill effects.
Do you need more help?X

If I recall correctly from the Google study, certain smart errors (don't=20
remember which) mean the drive will fail, but no smart errors doesn't=20
mean the drive is safe! The study should be easily found with a Google=20
search.



The OP should back-up anything important if he hasn't done so yet.



Regards,


Andrei


--=20


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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:41:21 +0300


From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: login via GDM don't get desktop
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 06:57:17PM +0000, Bob Middaugh wrote:

> Hi,
> I just installed the latest version.  When I login via GDM, I just see th=

e cursor and the background.  I never get a "full" desktop.  I installed fr=
om the minimal CD.  Any ideas?



How do the cursor and the background look like? Try right-clicking on=20
the desktop, do you get a menu (maybe you installed some minimalist=20
window manager like openbox)?



Regards,


Andrei


--=20


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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:10:53 +0200


From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?

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On 2007-08-06 08:04:16 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> Brokenness in Unstable:
> 1. Research Bugs + google lists.
> 2. If you find a hit apply the fix.
> 3. If not, wait a while and upgrade again.

>

> Unstable being Unstable this is the best possible solution.

No, you forgot: tools to handle brokenness, like apt-listbugs and
apt-listchanges[*]. Unfortunately they are far from being perfect.
Why not improving such tools?



[*] A system can get broken due to major changes in packages; such
changes are often announced in the NEWS file, and apt-listchanges
allows to display new information from the NEWS files. When users
don't read NEWS files, they end up with bugs like that:



  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D428882

or more seriously (because I lost mail), like that:



  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D301906
Don't know where to look next?X

(well, concerning this bug, the config change wasn't announced
immediately in the NEWS file). One of the Debian developers said:
"NEWS.Debian is a must-read on unstable boxes, and the changelog
maybe as well."



--=20


Vincent Lef=E8vre <vincent(at)vinc17.org> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.org/>
100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.org/blog/>
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)



Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:29:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Justin Piszcz <jpiszcz@lucidpixels.com>
To: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Opinions XFS


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On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:


> On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 09:55:28AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2007, at 2:42 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> I'd have to modify that.  Instead of NIH, my worry is that since XFS
>>> was designed for a different kernel, it's been "shimmed" into Linux
>>> and so doesn't integrate as well as ext2/3 and ReiserFS.  Same
>>> concern with jfs.
>>
>> I suppose that's a valid concern, but in the absence of any evidence
>> of problems caused by it I can't say I'm going to lose any sleep. :)

Confused? Frustrated?X

>>
>


> Given that SGI boxes now use Linux and have dropped Irix but still use
> XFS, I think it pretty likely that they have done a good job of ensuring
> that Linux's XFS is up to snuff.
>


> IBM started JFS version 1 with AIX, then ported it to OS/2 and added
> features to make it version 2, then ported it back to AIX where it is
> the standard FS.  They got Linux working on their newer Power servers to
> meet customer demand and ported JFS to linux so that they had a common
> filesystem irrespective of OS.
>


> In both cases, the porting was done or directed by the origionator of the
> filesystem for reasons that impact their bottom line.  To some extent
> their reputations are on the line with their filesystems.  As they are
> right now, I would trust them both equally well.  They each have their
> stronger points that make one more suitable than the other for certain
> uses of the filesystem.


>

> Doug.

I would too, until I found out JFS has no maintainer.



Justin.


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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:17:51 +0200


From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?

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On 2007-08-06 12:08:50 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:

> To the OP, sadly there is no alternative for apt-listchanges other than
> manually going to http://packages.debian.org/changelog:packagename and
> checking out the changelogs manually.=20

Yes, and this isn't easy when one has upgraded several dozen of
packages at the same time. :(



If a similar problem occurs in the future, a workaround could be
a script that parses /var/log/dpkg.log and feed apt-listchanges
with the package names (once the problem is fixed).



Note: however, this may be too late, e.g. things may already be
broken by the upgrade, without the possibility to revert.



--=20


Vincent Lef=E8vre <vincent(at)vinc17.org> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.org/>
100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.org/blog/>
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)


Do you need help?X

Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:56:40 -0700


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: login via GDM don't get desktop
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 06:57:17PM +0000, Bob Middaugh wrote:

> Hi,
> I just installed the latest version.  When I login via GDM, I just see th=

e cursor and the background.  I never get a "full" desktop.  I installed fr=
om the minimal CD.  Any ideas?



what kind of cursor and background? the default x cursor and grey
background? something else?=20



A



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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:42:22 +0100


From: Alan Chandler <alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how
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On Monday 06 August 2007, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 12:55:46PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > >On 8/4/07, Alan Chandler <alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk> wrote:
> > >>I have a Core2 Duo on which I am running a 686 kernel (from
> > >> Debian unstable).  It has 1GB of memory
> > >>
> > >>I am wondering two things
> > >>
> > >>a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode?
> > >>        - Is it faster?
> >
> > I am only responding to this particular message in the thread
> > because my computer is still not fully operational and this is the
> > only way (at the moment) to comment on this process.
>


> [snip many woes]
>


> When you ran the installer, did you start from scratch?  Did you
> start by removing your existing partitions?  I don't think you can
> reuse a 32-bit software raid setup on 64-bit (don't know, never
> tried).

I needed to keep my LVM on Raid partition, because that was where my 
home was.  That part worked great.  It would seem to me a really bad 
idea to not have compatibility between the two.



I only destroyed the /boot and swap partitions whilst I resized them 
(inside the partitioner inside the installer), and then told the 
partitioner in the installer to set them up as raid (you go into a raid 
submenu to create a raid device). The / (root) partition I asked the 
installer to reformat, but didn't change it






-- 
Alan Chandler
http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk

Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:01:31 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: using ssl on part of a website
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 01:08:43PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> Hi guys, I'm having real trouble figuring out how to do this.=20

>=20

> I've got a wiki running ikiwiki and I'd like to get the log-in/editing
> portion out of clear text. the obvious thing seems to be to use SSL,
> but I don't want to ssl the whole site, just the part accessed through
> the cgi scripts that take logins and edit stuff. Can someone give me
> some pointers?=20


I've also used, with success, mod_auth_digest, which I believe gets me
secure access to the cgi-bin/ but does not actually log me in to
ikiwiki so that changelogs only show an ip address, not a user. bleh.

somewhere there is some magic incantation to get me secured when
accessing the cgi scripts and open otherwise.

A

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:49:08 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: List Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: [OT] Recommended Router Hardware
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On Aug 6, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote:


> On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 08:45:21AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

>
>>> Well - it isn't that old. It is a Compaq Desktop EN, Pentium III  
>>> with about
>>> 500MB RAM. But there is only one Ethernet-Connection which - I  
>>> guess - can
>>> be solved by using a Hub or Switch, isn't it?
>>
>> no. to use a desktop machine as a router, you need two network
>> connections: one for the local network to attach to and one for the
>> internet at large. The computer then routes packets appropriately and
>

> I've read somewhere that it can be done with one card, but it's very
> difficult to setup.


You can do it, by creating multiple IP aliases on the one adapter.   
There are some caveats, though.  For example, this likely won't work  
very well if you plan to do DHCP on your local network.  Other  
protocols that use IP broadcasts can also get confused or get into  
trouble.  Other than that, it isn't necessarily *harder* to set up,  
but it's more *confusing* to set up, if that makes sense.


Can we help you?X

Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:51:20 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: List Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Debian can't mount Camera Memory Stick
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On Aug 6, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Mike McCarty wrote:


> Mike McCarty wrote:

>> My GF has a situation in which she cannot mount a camera memory
>> stick. Here's the setup...
>> CPU<--->HUB<--->Dazzle[<--Stick
>> The HUB is from Radio Shack. The Dazzle is a device used to
>> interface the memory stick with USB. The memory stick is
>> a Sandisk 128 MB memory stick for a camera. Using her laptop
>> and XP, with the same Dazzle and memory stick, it mounts
>> just fine. With her desktop and Debian, it fails to mount.
>> Also connected to the hub are a WD USB hard disc, and an HP printer,
>> both of which work fine with Debian.
>

> Well, I tried plugging the Dazzle directly into another USB
> port, and it mounts just fine. So, why can't the stick mount
> through the hub? The "real" disc mounts fine.


Is it a powered hub?  I've found some USB devices don't work very  
well on un-powered hubs.

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