debian-user-digest Digest V2007 #2261

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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2261

Today's Topics:

  Re: Adobe SVG viewer plugin           [ Jamin Davis  ]
  OT: Suggestions for AM/FM or FM Only  [ Hal Vaughan  ]
  fstab and removable usb drives        [ Celejar  ]
  Re: fstab and removable usb drives    [ Jeff D  ]
  Re: gpg in KDE, passphrase window, p  [ Gilles Mocellin  ]
  question about kernel source package  [ icelinux@icelinux.net ]

  Re: possible to "apt-get -b source e [ "Rogelio Bastardo" <scubacuda@gmail ]   Re: fstab and removable usb drives [ Graham <doubleyou@loftmail.com> ]

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:53:31 +0100
From: Jamin Davis <jweb@ghost.merseine.nu> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Adobe SVG viewer plugin

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Nyizsnyik Ferenc <nyizsa@bluebottle.com> wrote:

>> The same happened with my guest account. But, when I logged in to an
>> XFCE session with the guest account, all went well. Logging back to
>> Gnome the same thing happened (except that the EULA message wasn't
>> displayed, since I accepted it).
> And the same thing happens to my wife's account - still no font for the
> menu in Gnome.

Have a look at ~/.xsession-errors - I haven't got Gnome/Metacity installed so I can't check it out for you. Post relevant parts here if you need help.

-- 
Jamin @ Home: Chester UK -

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:13:33 -0700 From: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: SATA vs PATA Message-ID: <slrnfd652d.clv.spambait@truffula.sj.ca.us> [This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article <8WMZ2-6vj-11@gated-at.bofh.it>, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 12:05:42PM +0200, Dan H wrote:
>> Should I go Serial-ATA or good ol' Parallel-ATA? How do the two
>> compare in terms of data throughput and Linux kernel support?
>>
>
> SATA-I gives 150 MB/s, SATA-II gives 300 MB/s, PATA 133 MB/s.
PATA/133 was a flaky kludge. It's amazing it worked at all. Even more amazing that people got away with cables over 18" long. SATA is a far superior interconnect. The instantaneous peak throughput of the original (four bytes wide, 33 MHz) PCI bus is 132 MB/sec. In real life you're not going to see over 90. So a SATA-II controller on a regular PCI card is bottlenecked at the motherboard slot. (So is 1000BASE-T Ethernet.) That's one reason "real hardware" RAID works better than "fakeraid." The smallest PCI Express (PCI-E) configuration should do 250 MB/sec in each direction simultaneously. A motherboard with PCI-E designed for workstations may bottleneck at the southbridge. You'll have to do some research to find a configuration that can run two SATA-II drives simultaneously at their full data rate. You'll also have to check around to see if the Linux driver knows how to run any particular controller in SATA-II mode. And there are still lots of workstation type motherboards that only do SATA-I. PCI-X is a kludge. I'd avoid it. Cameron

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:51:39 +0300 From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: which fonts config file? Message-ID: <20070827185139.GB5705@think.homenet> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW" Content-Disposition: inline --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 07:56:39PM +0100, Jose Rodriguez wrote:
> Hello
>=20
> I get different fonts when I start the GUI by issuing startx than
> using kdm. I would like to know which configuration files are read
> in each case so I can adjust them to my taste.
I think this is more an issue of DPI. You can check with xdpyinfo | grep resolution startx is a script so you can just view it and trace the config file. As=20 for kdm you'll just have to read the fine manual. Regards, Andrei --=20 If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG0x07qJyztHCFm9kRAlvsAJ9sdv6sfN9IBvq/u9X9wb2CG6peTgCdGWZ8 Lb1MnsNVR8GNebgkCSHdWLo= =lpHF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW--

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:07:57 -0700 From: Bob McGowan <bob_mcgowan@symantec.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Search for string in files Message-ID: <46D3210D.6070404@symantec.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020400060407030302010100" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020400060407030302010100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Bird wrote:
> On Saturday 25 August 2007 14:34, Johannes Tax wrote:
>> On [Sat, 25.08.2007 13:15], Mike Bird wrote:
>>> grep -l 'a_certain_function' $(find . -name '*.c')
>> That's exactly what I need. It also shows that I have to investigate the
>> grep command a little bit further ...
>
> BTW, unlike backquote, dollar-paren nests. If you need
Just to set the record straight, backquotes can be nested, it's just overly complex and messy to do: eval emacs \`grep -l 'a_certain_function' `find . -name '*.c'`\` So, yes, use the $(...$(...$(...))) form. Try to get that right (3 levels) with backquotes and eval! However, if you use an older shell that doesn't support the $(...) structure, you may be forced into using backquotes. Since the added features that include this syntax add quite a bit to the size of the shell, minimalist systems, toolsets, etc. may have shells that don't have it, for space reasons.
> to edit those files with e.g. emacs you can:
>
> emacs $(grep -l 'a_certain_function' $(find . -name '*.c'))
>
> --Mike Bird
>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:51:12 +0200 From: Jan Schledermann <spamtrap@schledermann.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Xorg Only Recognize 128 megs From ATI Radeon AIW PCIe 256 Megs Message-ID: <fav6fq$sku$1@sea.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Orestes Leal wrote:
> Dear friends, I have a Ati Radeon All In Wonder x800 XL with 256 Megs GDD=
> R3
> PCIe interface, I have the latest closed drivers from ati.com (fglrx)
> but Xorg 7.2 only recognize 128 megs, Any help?
>
> thanks,
>
> -olr
Have you checked out the device section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? There should be a line saying: VideoRam If not you can add it: VideoRam 262144 regards Jan -- ** Do NOT use the reply-to address. You'll end up in the trash can ** Mail me at: jan A.T schledermann D0T org

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:55:34 +0200 From: Jan Schledermann <spamtrap@schledermann.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Destination Host Unreachable Message-ID: <fav6o0$sku$2@sea.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> Hello:
>
> When trying to connect wirelessly to a Linksys router with IP address
> 192.168.1.1, ifup brings up the interface, ifconfig reports its
> configuration correctly, iwconfig reports the hardware (MAC) address of
> the router correctly, but pinging the router returns "Destination Host
> Unreachable" (DHU) and 'arp -a' reports <incomplete> where the MAC address
> should be. A hardwired interface gets the MAC address, and I'm writing
> this from another wireless laptop connected to the same wireless router
> (although
> this one has a static address and the other gets it by DHCP). I've tried
> relocating the laptop (right now it's next to the one which is connected),
> giving it a static address, setting the MAC address with arp (at which
> ping
> just hangs instead of reporting DHU), none of which has helped. The
> laptop
> is able to connect to a wireless network where I work. Any pointers would
> be much appreciated.
>
> This is all happening on a recently updated testing system with a
> 2.6.21kernel.
>
> Patrick
Do you get the correct default gateway when you use: route <enter> if not, test the issue by adding in manually: route add defualt gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx <enter> replace the xx'es with your router (WAP). regards Jan -- ** Do NOT use the reply-to address. You'll end up in the trash can ** Mail me at: jan A.T schledermann D0T org

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:24:55 +0200 From: Joachim =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fahnenm=FCller?= <jfahnenmueller@web.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: capture real audio stream Message-ID: <20070827192455.GA3409@victor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lorenzo On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 11:45:56AM +0200, Lorenzo Bettini wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'd like to capture some audio stream from a web radio. I know about=20
> streamripper, but it does not work for real audio. =20
vsound -t -f <filename> realplay <address>
> And in particular, if=20
> possible, I'd like to record what is being played, without knowing the=20
> address of the real audio file (which I actually don't know: bbc radio =
just=20
> starts the real player plugin in the web page).
You can find out <address> in realplayer by clicking file -> properties -=
> clip
source or in iceweasel by right click on the page -> page info, tab media.
>
> any clue please?
>
> thanks in advance
> Lorenzo
>
HTH --=20 Joachim Fahnenm=FCller

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:38:08 +0200 From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: gpg in KDE, passphrase window, passphrase timeout Message-ID: <20070827193808.GA3504@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 21:06:54 +0300, Giorgos Pallas wrote:
> I'm a little confused: I use gpg from the console and when asking for my
> passphrase
> , it raises a KDE window and prompts me to type it there. Why?
That is indeed a bit strange. Is kgpg running in the background?
> I also
> would like gpg to cache the passphrase for a certain period of time so
> that I don't have to type it again and again. Any ideas?
Install the "gnupg-agent" package and put "use-agent" into your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf. The time-to-live for the passphrase can be set in ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf. ("default-cache-ttl" and "max-cache-ttl", both in seconds) The gnupg-agent package puts a file into /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ which starts the agent automatically with your X session if "use-agent" is present in your gpg.conf. -- Regards, | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian |

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:12:39 +0100 From: Steve Kemp <skx@debian.org> To: Richard Lyons <richard@the-place.net> Cc: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: smtp to bytemark.co.uk smarthost (was: using a remote IMAP server and smarthost) Message-ID: <20070827201239.GA1127@steve.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 15:27:55 +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> > It might be time to contact bytemark's technical support.
>
> You are probably right. I'll give them a call.
Agreed. Call us, or drop us a mail (!) This page on our website has some hints, but it looks like you're aware of them. I'll just add the link for the benefit of other users/google: http://bytemark.co.uk/page/Live/support/tech/mail/smarthost Steve --

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:32:41 -0400 From: Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: OT: Suggestions for AM/FM or FM Only Receivers Message-Id: <200708271632.41355.hal@thresholddigital.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm working on some music streaming on a Debian system (currently Sarge, but will be updated soon) with Slimserver. I like being able to stream all the music on my hard drive and Internet radio stations to wifi devices around my home. The one thing I miss is local radio. I'd like to find a receiver that I can use from Debian through either USB or PCI. It needs to be easily tunable and to produce an audio stream I can tell Slimserver is an Internet radio stream. I can deal with FM only, but would like AM/FM. Of course it needs to work with Debian. I looked at the RadioShark, which is easy to use and to tune and the reviewers that liked it loved it, but about half the reviews cited extremely poor reception, so I don't want to try that since I figure the chances are only 50/50 it'll receive the stations I want to get. (If it weren't for the reception issue, it'd be exactly what I'm looking for.) For now, I have a radio that is separate from the computer and connected through my Soundblaster's input, but I have no way of tuning it from the computer or from a remotely connected computer. It has to be tuned by hand while I'm in that location. Is anyone using any kind of radio receiver connected to their computer? Does anyone have suggestions for this? Thanks! Hal

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:47:40 +0200 From: Krzysztof =?UTF-8?Q?Luba=C5=84ski?= <luban@nerdshack.com> To: Debian-user list <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Profile for user and root ( locales ) Message-Id: <1188247660.4050.21.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 15:35 +0200, Vladimir Strycek wrote:
> any idea where alse is setting for each user in bash ? i have small
> problem that when i log in to my debian box as user everything works
> great especialy the special character of Slovak language also MC looks
> fine etc... but when i su to root the special characters do not work
> anymore... when i turn on MC its has some wird characters insted of
> lines on borders etc... i look in /etc/profile but nothing there to
> explain it also in .bashrc and .bash_profile to find out why in user it
> works fine and at root it doesnt diplay correctly.
Hello, what encoding do you use with your user account? Aren't there really any differences between root's and user's .bash* files? Or maybe check root's mc settings in Options -> Display Bits menu. Regards, -- Krzysztof Lubanski

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:05:01 -0400 From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Wireless card for emachine? Message-Id: <20070827170501.c008b9a2.celejar@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:48:09 -0400 "Thomas H. George" <lists@tomgeorge.info> wrote:
> I have been given an emachine M5310 laptop with a dead battery and am
> considering trying to convert it to a debian etch laptop. I can boot it
> with a GRML cd and lsdev reports wifi0 when an Activa wifi card is
> plugged in. I tried using wlanconfig but have not been able to specify
> a static IP address to access my home network. The machine is known to
> contain its own wifi and searches for dynamic addresses when I boot it
> with a DebianLive Gnome cd. but Debain/apps/system/network demands a
> root password and wont accept sudo bash so I can't set an assigned
> static IP address.
>
> Is the emachine worth the effort? A new battery will set me back $95.
> Would I also need to purchase another Linux compatible wifi card?
The first question is, what wireless card is in the machine? Do lspci, and find the entry corresponding to the wireless card.
> Tom George
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:30:56 -0400 From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: fstab and removable usb drives Message-Id: <20070827173056.49a330c1.celejar@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm experimenting with fstab lines to streamline mounting my removable usb drives (flash and HDD). I have tried 'UUID-xxxx', 'LABEL-xxxx', and '/dev/disk/by-label/xxxx', but with any of these the system refuses to boot without manual intervention when the drive isn't attached (I am told to hit <ctrl>-D and something about maintenance mode). This occurs even when I set 'noauto'. Am I missing something, or are such fstab lines really illegal for setups where the volume may not be attached at boot? Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:51:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff D <fixedored@gmail.com> To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: fstab and removable usb drives Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0708271445490.5374@proto.technobounce.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Celejar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm experimenting with fstab lines to streamline mounting my removable
> usb drives (flash and HDD). I have tried 'UUID-xxxx', 'LABEL-xxxx',
> and '/dev/disk/by-label/xxxx', but with any of these the system refuses
> to boot without manual intervention when the drive isn't attached (I am
> told to hit <ctrl>-D and something about maintenance mode). This
> occurs even when I set 'noauto'. Am I missing something, or are such
> fstab lines really illegal for setups where the volume may not be
> attached at boot?
>
> Celejar
> --
Hm, noauto should skip it at boot. On one of my laptops I have this: /dev/disk/by-id/xxxxxx /mnt/flash vfat user,noauto 0 0 Boots up just fine.. -+- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Techno.

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:15:49 +0200 From: Gilles Mocellin <gilles.mocellin@free.fr> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: gpg in KDE, passphrase window, passphrase timeout Message-Id: <200708280015.53643.gilles.mocellin@free.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1370923.gAWznWoOMt"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart1370923.gAWznWoOMt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Le Monday 27 August 2007 20:06:54 Giorgos Pallas, vous avez =E9crit=A0:
> I'm a little confused: I use gpg from the console and when asking for my
> passphrase
> , it raises a KDE window and prompts me to type it there. Why? I also
> would like gpg to cache the passphrase for a certain period of time so
> that I don't have to type it again and again. Any ideas?
>
> G.
You certainly have gpg-agent installed and running. The configuration .gnupg/gpg-agent.conf tells which program to launch to ask password. I have "pinentry-program /usr/bin/pinentry-qt" for a kde window. --nextPart1370923.gAWznWoOMt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG000ZDltnDmLJYdARAl6HAKCOg0uXXbJSbrCFccZUm6r+6mA0mgCg1k+K ECzkf4ddj8KOuZ0B5WXmBY4= =BY4D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1370923.gAWznWoOMt--

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:57:16 -0400 From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: fstab and removable usb drives Message-Id: <20070827175716.efa3cb30.celejar@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Jeff D <fixedored@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Celejar wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm experimenting with fstab lines to streamline mounting my removable
> > usb drives (flash and HDD). I have tried 'UUID-xxxx', 'LABEL-xxxx',
> > and '/dev/disk/by-label/xxxx', but with any of these the system refuses
> > to boot without manual intervention when the drive isn't attached (I am
> > told to hit <ctrl>-D and something about maintenance mode). This
> > occurs even when I set 'noauto'. Am I missing something, or are such
> > fstab lines really illegal for setups where the volume may not be
> > attached at boot?
> >
> > Celejar
> > --
>
> Hm, noauto should skip it at boot. On one of my laptops I have this:
> /dev/disk/by-id/xxxxxx /mnt/flash vfat user,noauto 0 0
>
> Boots up just fine..
Thanks; I don't know what could be different about my setup (I'm running uptodate Sid), but it doesn't work for me, as above. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:51:47 -0400 From: icelinux@icelinux.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: question about kernel source package Message-ID: <20070827185147.uad3qymgbkgsk4wg@icelinux.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I notice there is a source package for the kernel and a package of debian patches. Has the kernel source already been patched or would one need to patch it with all of the included debian patches when building a custom kernel? "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." Albert Einstein

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:08:30 -0700 From: "Rogelio Bastardo" <scubacuda@gmail.com> To: "Kevin Mark" <kevin.mark@verizon.net>, debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: possible to "apt-get -b source everything" Message-ID: <2b7af7c40708271608k4a38a172wdafad50f789882ab@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
> You have heard of Gentoo, haven't you? ;-)
Several years ago, I installed Gentoo and used it for a while. Several of the packages then were really unstable, and I abandoned it for other more stable and conservative distros (e.g. Debian). I hear that it's lots better now, but I haven't tried it out much since.

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:44:29 +0100 From: Graham <doubleyou@loftmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: fstab and removable usb drives Message-ID: <20070828004429.07e74268@pluto.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:30:56 -0400 Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm experimenting with fstab lines to streamline mounting my removable
> usb drives (flash and HDD). I have tried 'UUID-xxxx', 'LABEL-xxxx',
> and '/dev/disk/by-label/xxxx', but with any of these the system
> refuses to boot without manual intervention when the drive isn't
> attached (I am told to hit <ctrl>-D and something about maintenance
> mode). This occurs even when I set 'noauto'. Am I missing
> something, or are such fstab lines really illegal for setups where
> the volume may not be attached at boot?
I use what's below in fstab for manually mounting any USB device that I attach after booting up. /dev/sda1 /media/removable auto rw,noauto,user,exec,users 0 0 Be aware that this is only for the first USB drive you connect, any additional ones connected up after the first one will have to be /dev/sdb1 and so on. Change /media/removable to the mount point you want. I have no issues with booting my system with the above, nor do I have issues with mounting USB devices. Graham End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2261 ************************************************** Received on Mon Aug 27 20:41:39 2007