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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2265

Today's Topics: 

  DEMANDE ASSISTANCE                    [ ALICE JOANNE  ]
  Re: Shut down or leave on?            [ Atis  ]
  Re: Shut down or leave on?            [ Raquel  ]
  Re: Shut down or leave on?            [ martin f krafft 

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:37:43 +0200 (CEST)
From: ALICE JOANNE <alicejoanne14@yahoo.fr>
To: ger.nat.wiech@wanadoo.fr, wlodec@club-internet.fr,

	Zouzazi@aol.com, PHILSEVE@aol.com, alainvaudet@hotmail.com,
	andre.levagueresse@free.fr, the.schmids@t-online.de,
	annetascher@yahoo.fr, Anne-Marie.Buido@francophonie.org,
	astorq@ubisoft.qc.ca, arnaud.storq@ubisoft.com,
	bruno.marcusseau@sextant.thomson-csf.fr, commentva@free.fr,
	celine@franz.com, chantal.fialeix@crt.aquitaine.fr, cox@franz.com,
	christophe.faussetelle1@decathlon.com, maurel@inoxia.com,
	claude.deyts1@libertysurf.fr, skhanclaude@aol.com,
	hodachieu@hotmail.com, daihunguyen@aol.com,
	debian-user@lists.debian.org, denis.loutrein@laposte.net,
	buido.diep@tiscali.fr



Subject: DEMANDE ASSISTANCE

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alicejoanne1@yahoo.fr


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=E9mail. alicejoanne1@yahoo.fr


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:11:52 +0100


From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?


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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:28:35 -0400


"Richard Carter" <carter.r.a.l@gmail.com> wrote:



Hello Richard,


> But I notice that most backup utilities are designed to backup
> automatically at the same time every day or week.  That seems to

Can we help you?X

> assume that the system is always running.


Depends when/how the backup is set to run. Often, it's by cron
overnight, but you can alter that to any time you wish.  I the
machine's on and unused between 1pm and 2 pm (lunchtime?), you can do
your backup then.



Personally, I shut down overnight.  I don't see the point of running a
machine I'm unlikely to be using.  Partly because of the noise (it's
close to the bedroom, and I'm a light sleeper), and partly because of
the huge amount of electricity consumed, unnecessarily.  I usually power
up early to mid morning, and leave the machine running until 10 or 11
pm because I have need of it, off and on, during the day.  As you're
aware, power up is the likeliest time of failure, so power cycling too
often is best avoided.  IMO, of course.



Because cron expects a machine to up 24/7, I've installed anacron (from
Debian repositories) to do what needs to be done.


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:01:01 +0300


From: Atis <atis@BEST.eu.org>


To: "Richard Carter" <carter.r.a.l@gmail.com>
Cc: "CLUG General" <clug-talk@clug.ca>,

	"Linux questions" ,
	debian-user@lists.debian.org



Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?

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On 8/28/07, Richard Carter <carter.r.a.l@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Is it better to leave a system running all the time or is it better to shut
> it down over night, on weekends, holidays etc?
>
> In the past I have always shut my Debian system down over night etc for 3
> reasons:
>
> 1) I put backups on my 80GB external HD which I usually leave shut down even
> when I boot the rest of the system.  It's about the same age as my internal
> 160GB HD so I hoped to reduce the probability of it failing at the same time
> as the internal HD by starting it less often.
>
> 2) I hoped to reduce the probability of being hacked by shutting down,
> although I do have a firewall installed.
>
> 3) I thought it was a waste of electricity, and money, to have a machine
> running that wasn't being used.

Don't know where to look next?X

If you are worried about amount of electricity that your PC uses, you
should simply measure it.



A long time ago i measured that my PC is using 0.4A on normal
operation and 0.6A while CD-ROM spinning (on 220V AC). So, this means
- 0.4*220 = 88 Watts. This is approximately like regular light bulb
(not very economic).


I usually leave my PC on in winters because of some long-lasting
downloads, or music playing, or i simply don't want to close all the
open programs (not all of them saves state). However in summers it
makes my room quite hot, so i prefer to turn PC off. Anyway i turn my
CRT off, as this is a real consumer of electricity.


> But I notice that most backup utilities are designed to backup automatically
> at the same time every day or week.  That seems to assume that the system is
> always running.


There are also tools that executes missed cron jobs during startup. If
i remember correctly there was something called anacron.



Regards,


Atis


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:01:14 -0700
From: Raquel <raquel@thericehouse.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:28:35 -0400
"Richard Carter" <carter.r.a.l@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Is it better to leave a system running all the time or is it
> better to shut it down over night, on weekends, holidays etc?
> 
> In the past I have always shut my Debian system down over night
> etc for 3 reasons:
> 
> 1) I put backups on my 80GB external HD which I usually leave shut
> down even when I boot the rest of the system.  It's about the same
> age as my internal 160GB HD so I hoped to reduce the probability
> of it failing at the same time as the internal HD by starting it
> less often.
> 
> 2) I hoped to reduce the probability of being hacked by shutting
> down, although I do have a firewall installed.
> 
> 3) I thought it was a waste of electricity, and money, to have a
> machine running that wasn't being used.
> 
> But I notice that most backup utilities are designed to backup
> automatically at the same time every day or week.  That seems to
> assume that the system is always running.
> 
> I'd appreciate your advice.
> 
> Robin Carter
> 

I've always gone for leaving my machines on.  I feel there is less
wear and tear on components by leaving the machine on.

-- 
Raquel

============================================================

Whilst you are proclaiming peace and good will to men, emancipating
all nations, you insist upon retaining an absolute power over wives.
  --Abigail Adams



Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:52:02 +0200
From: martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?
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also sprach Richard Carter <carter.r.a.l@gmail.com> [2007.08.28.1728 +0200]:
> Is it better to leave a system running all the time or is it better to sh=
ut
> it down over night, on weekends, holidays etc?

That's an easy question: shut it down, unless it needs to be doing
something. The environment will thank you.

Anacron is your ticket, as someone else said.

PS: it's not really advisable to cross-post to multiple mailing
lists.

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