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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2267

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Shut down or leave on?            [ "Mike"  ]
  Re: fstab and removable usb drives    [ Celejar  ]
  Re: I just installed OpenNTP. Now wh  [ David Brodbeck  ]
  replacement for formmail              [ Freddy Freeloader  ]
  WYSIWYG editor                        [ "Loeghmon T. Nejad"  ]
  Re: question about kernel source pac  [ Celejar  ]
  Re: Shut down or leave on?            [ David Brodbeck 

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:18:54 -0400


From: "Mike" <mikewk147@oh.rr.com>


To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>


Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?


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  •   Original Message ----- 
From: "Raquel" <raquel@thericehouse.net>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?




> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:45:51 -0700
> Jeff <debian@waysoft.com> wrote:
>
>> Raquel wrote:
>> > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:28:35 -0400
>> > "Richard Carter" <carter.r.a.l@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Folks,
>> >>
>> >> Is it better to leave a system running all the time or is it
>> >> better to shut it down over night, on weekends, holidays etc?
>> >>
>
> <snip>
>
>> >>
>> >> I'd appreciate your advice.
>> >>
>> >> Robin Carter
>> >>
>> >
>> > I've always gone for leaving my machines on.  I feel there is
>> > less wear and tear on components by leaving the machine on.
>> >
>> Specifically, as I understand it, thermal shock to minuscule
>> electronic  components during power-on.  In the past, I've lost a
>> number of  motherboards and processors due (presumably) to this
>> effect.  Since  keeping my machines on 24/7 (for several years
>> now), I have not had any  such problems.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
> I also understand that when the hard disks get power that the
> platters torque just a tad, if not causing heads to come into
> contact with the platter, at least causing wear on bearings.
>

The stress created during the cool down and heat up cycle, between powering 
off and powering on, can cause microfractures in the solid state components. 
Further, on the lower quality powersupplies, the power on sequence can cause 
current surges that can also weaken electronic components, although the 
filtering in the present day switching powersupplies is supposed to 
eliminate this.  The amount electricity usage from present day devices is 
minimal compared to replacement costs for those devices.  I say, leave it 
on.



-mike


Do you need help?X
> -- 
> Raquel
> ============================================================
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> accountability to our god alone. I enquire after no man's and
> trouble none with mine; nor is it given to us in this life to know
> whether yours or mine, our friend's or our foe's, are exactly the
> right.
>  --Thomas Jefferson
>
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:23:21 -0400


From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: fstab and removable usb drives

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:44:29 +0100


Graham <doubleyou@loftmail.com> wrote:


> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:30:56 -0400
> Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm experimenting with fstab lines to streamline mounting my removable
> > usb drives (flash and HDD).  I have tried 'UUID-xxxx', 'LABEL-xxxx',
> > and '/dev/disk/by-label/xxxx', but with any of these the system
> > refuses to boot without manual intervention when the drive isn't
> > attached (I am told to hit <ctrl>-D and something about maintenance
> > mode).  This occurs even when I set 'noauto'.  Am I missing
> > something, or are such fstab lines really illegal for setups where
> > the volume may not be attached at boot?
> 
> I use what's below in fstab for manually mounting any USB device that I
> attach after booting up.
> 
> /dev/sda1 /media/removable auto rw,noauto,user,exec,users 0 0
> 
> Be aware that this is only for the first USB drive you connect, any
> additional ones connected up after the first one will have to
> be /dev/sdb1 and so on. Change /media/removable to the mount point you
> want.
> 
> I have no issues with booting my system with the above, nor do I have
> issues with mounting USB devices.

Thanks.  The problem was my non-zero last field, as per my other
posts.  BTW, mounting by label / UUID is often a better idea,
especially for removable storage, since it ensures consistency of mount
points even when the connection order varies.  This may not be
important to you, but it is to many.


> Graham

Celejar

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:34:14 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: List Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: I just installed OpenNTP. Now what?
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On Aug 28, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Amit Uttamchandani wrote:


> Hey guys,
>
> So just installed OpenNTP on a shiny new etch system. The daemon is  
> started
> during startup but now what? How do I know that my clock is being  
> synchronized?
> I checked the config and there are debian ntp servers listed.
>
> So is that it? Or am I missing something here.


It should work out of the box.  If you want to see what's going on,  
run 'ntpq' and type 'pe' at the prompt.  This will give you a list of  
peers and how your clock compares to them.  If NTP has been up for a  
while, you'll see a * next to one system.  This is the one your  
computer has chosen as its primary time source.



Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:44:11 +0200
From: Bart <debian@aeronautics.nl>
To: SmartList <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: nvidia-glx under Debian 4.0r1
Message-ID: <46D47B0B.1010208@aeronautics.nl>
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I've installed Debian 4.0r1 and now I want 3D support for my Nvidia 
graphics card.

I'm following instructions as can be found on 
http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

I can install the nvidia-kernel-sources, but not the nvidia-glx package. 
The error given is:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   nvidia-glx: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is to be 
installed

Is there a way to solve this?

I'm new to Debian, so don't shoot me ;)



Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:51:00 -0700
From: Freddy Freeloader <fredddy@cableone.net>
To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: replacement for formmail
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Anyone have any good recommendations for replacing formmail?

I just started working for someone who is using it and we are trying to 
lock his sites down more than they have been in the past and are looking 
for a replacement.



Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:07:02 -0700
From: Dan Serban <dserban@lodgingcompany.com>
To: Charlie <ariestao@clearmail.com.au>
Cc: Debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Ping my modem........
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Charlie wrote:

> Never having used ping, and not really understanding the man page for it:-
> 
> When I ping my modem: 
> 
> what command/option/s should I use?
> Is the following a normal reply from a satellite modem to ping:-
> 
> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
> 
> TIA,
> Charlie


Can you please post your exact ping command here?  Make sure ICMP echo
is allowed and that you can confirm that your modem actually has an IP.
 As another test, try pinging google, or debian.org.
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:09:16 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: binary@freedom.prodigynetwork.co.uk
Subject: Re: i686 Port
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:06:10 +0100 (BST)
"Richard Thompson" <binary@freedom.prodigynetwork.co.uk> wrote:


> I was wondering why debian doesn't have a port of packages optimised for
> i686, I realise they have support for i386, which obviously incudes
> everything from an intel 386 to the latest and greatest intel and amd
> processors (running in 32bit), ultimatley the i686 already has 'support'
> however I just thought it would be great if a port was available where the
> packages had been compiled specifically for i686 as I have noticed that
> when I use i686 optimised distro's such as arch, or even slackware there
> is a noticable performance difference.


I'm no expert, but I believe the thinking is that most of the processor
dependent code is in libc6, for which we do have the -i686 version, and
the kernel, which also comes in -686 flavors. 


> Richard Thompson


Celejar
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:16:40 -0400
From: "Loeghmon T. Nejad" <loeghmon@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: WYSIWYG editor
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What do you recommend as a good, practical WYSIWYG editor for creating
simple web pages, with mostly text, some graphics and pdf, for debian Lenny
please? Thanks.

-- 
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:23:43 +0000
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: nvidia-glx under Debian 4.0r1
Message-ID: <20070828202343.GA9182@titan.hooton>
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:44:11PM +0200, Bart wrote:

> I've installed Debian 4.0r1 and now I want 3D support for my Nvidia 
> graphics card.
> 
> I'm following instructions as can be found on 
> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> 
> I can install the nvidia-kernel-sources, but not the nvidia-glx package. 
> The error given is:
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   nvidia-glx: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is to be 
> installed
> 
> Is there a way to solve this?
> 
> I'm new to Debian, so don't shoot me ;)


First, run aptitude and do an update.  Install any security updates.

If you're running Etch, you don't need the sources.  You need the glx
that you have and you have to ensure that the kernel modules it brings
in are the same number as your installed kernel.  Then you need to read
all the documentation in /usr/share/doc/nvidia* and all the man pages
available with

$apropos nvidia

Also, I highly recommend that you ensure that X is working with the nv
driver before you fiddle with the nvidia driver.

Finally, do not use nvidia's own installer since it overwrites existing
debian files on your system and will eventually make a hash of it.

Good luck,

Doug.



Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:58:56 +0100 (BST)
From: "Richard Thompson" <binary@freedom.prodigynetwork.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: [Fwd: Re: i686 Port]
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---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------=
-
Subject: Re: i686 Port
From:    "Richard Thompson" <binary@freedom.prodigynetwork.co.uk>
Date:    Tue, August 28, 2007 8:54 pm
To:      "Celejar" <celejar@gmail.com>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-


> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:06:10 +0100 (BST)
> "Richard Thompson" <binary@freedom.prodigynetwork.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I was wondering why debian doesn't have a port of packages optimised f=

or

>> i686, I realise they have support for i386, which obviously incudes
>> everything from an intel 386 to the latest and greatest intel and amd
>> processors (running in 32bit), ultimatley the i686 already has 'suppor=

t'

>> however I just thought it would be great if a port was available where
>> the
>> packages had been compiled specifically for i686 as I have noticed tha=

t

>> when I use i686 optimised distro's such as arch, or even slackware the=

re

>> is a noticable performance difference.
>
> I'm no expert, but I believe the thinking is that most of the processor
> dependent code is in libc6, for which we do have the -i686 version, and
> the kernel, which also comes in -686 flavors.
>
>> Richard Thompson
>
> Celejar
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>

Yes, I expect you are right about that, but there are other things such a=
s
services which, if they were i686 optimised I would expect to see a
performance increase, I am also no expert, I was just jealous of arch's
speed, and also suprisingly slackware's speed, which would suggest they'v=
e
got something right

Richard Thompson


Can we help you?X

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:24:47 +0000
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: replacement for formmail
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:51:00PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:

> Anyone have any good recommendations for replacing formmail?
> 
> I just started working for someone who is using it and we are trying to 
> lock his sites down more than they have been in the past and are looking 
> for a replacement.


What is formmail?

Doug.



Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:24:49 -0300
From: "Cavan Mejias" <cavanmejias@gmail.com>
To: Mike <mikewk147@oh.rr.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?
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            How much would all this apply to a laptop? I mean, are
they considered more robust or less? w/ regard to powering off and on?

                   Cavan

On 8/28/07, Mike <mikewk147@oh.rr.com> wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raquel" <raquel@thericehouse.net>
> To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?
>
>
> > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:45:51 -0700
> > Jeff <debian@waysoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Raquel wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:28:35 -0400
> >> > "Richard Carter" <carter.r.a.l@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Folks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Is it better to leave a system running all the time or is it
> >> >> better to shut it down over night, on weekends, holidays etc?
> >> >>
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd appreciate your advice.
> >> >>
> >> >> Robin Carter
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I've always gone for leaving my machines on.  I feel there is
> >> > less wear and tear on components by leaving the machine on.
> >> >
> >> Specifically, as I understand it, thermal shock to minuscule
> >> electronic  components during power-on.  In the past, I've lost a
> >> number of  motherboards and processors due (presumably) to this
> >> effect.  Since  keeping my machines on 24/7 (for several years
> >> now), I have not had any  such problems.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >
> > I also understand that when the hard disks get power that the
> > platters torque just a tad, if not causing heads to come into
> > contact with the platter, at least causing wear on bearings.
> >
>
> The stress created during the cool down and heat up cycle, between powering
> off and powering on, can cause microfractures in the solid state components.
> Further, on the lower quality powersupplies, the power on sequence can cause
> current surges that can also weaken electronic components, although the
> filtering in the present day switching powersupplies is supposed to
> eliminate this.  The amount electricity usage from present day devices is
> minimal compared to replacement costs for those devices.  I say, leave it
> on.
>
> -mike
>
> > --
> > Raquel
> > ============================================================
> > Our particular principles of religion are a subject of
> > accountability to our god alone. I enquire after no man's and
> > trouble none with mine; nor is it given to us in this life to know
> > whether yours or mine, our friend's or our foe's, are exactly the
> > right.
> >  --Thomas Jefferson
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:30:15 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: binary@freedom.prodigynetwork.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: i686 Port]
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:58:56 +0100 (BST)
"Richard Thompson" <binary@freedom.prodigynetwork.co.uk> wrote:


> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject: Re: i686 Port
> From:    "Richard Thompson" <binary@freedom.prodigynetwork.co.uk>
> Date:    Tue, August 28, 2007 8:54 pm
> To:      "Celejar" <celejar@gmail.com>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:06:10 +0100 (BST)
> > "Richard Thompson" <binary@freedom.prodigynetwork.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> I was wondering why debian doesn't have a port of packages optimised for
> >> i686, I realise they have support for i386, which obviously incudes
> >> everything from an intel 386 to the latest and greatest intel and amd
> >> processors (running in 32bit), ultimatley the i686 already has 'support'
> >> however I just thought it would be great if a port was available where
> >> the
> >> packages had been compiled specifically for i686 as I have noticed that
> >> when I use i686 optimised distro's such as arch, or even slackware there
> >> is a noticable performance difference.
> >
> > I'm no expert, but I believe the thinking is that most of the processor
> > dependent code is in libc6, for which we do have the -i686 version, and
> > the kernel, which also comes in -686 flavors.
> >
> >> Richard Thompson
> >
> > Celejar

> Yes, I expect you are right about that, but there are other things such as
> services which, if they were i686 optimised I would expect to see a


What do you mean by services?  Is there userland (outside the kernel)
TCP/IP networking code which is 686 specific?


> performance increase, I am also no expert, I was just jealous of arch's
> speed, and also suprisingly slackware's speed, which would suggest they've
> got something right


Are you sure that you're comparing apples to apples?  Are you running
the exact same DE, general system load, daemons, etc.? I'm not doubting
you, I'm just trying to nail down the comparison precisely.


> Richard Thompson


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:42:28 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: question about kernel source packages
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:15:08 -0400
icelinux@icelinux.net wrote:


> Quoting "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>:
> 
> > On 08/28/2007 12:02 PM, icelinux@icelinux.net wrote:
> >> I notice there is a source package for the kernel and a package of   
> >> debian patches. Has the kernel source already been patched or would  
> >>  one need to patch it with all of the included debian patches when   
> >> building a custom kernel?
> >>
> >
> > It's already patched.
> 
> Doublechecking, you are absolutely positive?


I believe he's correct.  From the description of
linux-patch-debian-2.6.22:


> Description: Debian patches to version 2.6.22 of the Linux kernel
>  This package includes the patches used to produce the prepackaged
>  linux-source-2.6.22 package, as well as architecture-specific patches. Note
>  that these patches do NOT apply against a pristine Linux 2.6.22 kernel but only
>  against the kernel tarball linux-2.6_2.6.22.orig.tar.gz from the Debian
>  archive.


So the prepackaged kernel source has already been patched.  The patch
has been applied against the mentioned Debian tarball.

All this is AFAICT.

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:46:24 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: List Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?
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On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Cavan Mejias wrote:


>             How much would all this apply to a laptop? I mean, are
> they considered more robust or less? w/ regard to powering off and on?


I don't like to leave laptops on because I've had cooling fan  
failures in a few laptops.  I figure the less time the fan runs, the  
longer it'll last.  This may apply less to more recent laptops where  
the fan runs very little when the machine is idle, though.



Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:49:03 -0500
From: Sam Leon <leon.mailinglist.36@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG editor
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Loeghmon T. Nejad wrote:

> What do you recommend as a good, practical WYSIWYG editor for creating 
> simple web pages, with mostly text, some graphics and pdf, for debian 
> Lenny please? Thanks.
>
> -- 
> Regards,


I would like to know too.  I think us html noobs using linux are just 
out of luck :(

Quanta plus has a very crappy one that I have been using though.

Sam



Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:49:15 -0500
From: Martin McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on? 
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Raquel writes:

> I also understand that when the hard disks get power that the
> platters torque just a tad, if not causing heads to come into
> contact with the platter, at least causing wear on bearings.


	As somebody also posted, the heads get parked when the
drive powers down. If you listen to one start up, you will hear
head activity a few seconds after the platter comes up to speed
even if the data cables are not connected. The controller on the
drive board handles this housekeeping stuff. When the power is
turned off, you can hear the head snap back to a safe position
immediately. I think some drives exercise the head rack during
lulls of activity to keep it from stiffening up.

	My main Linux box used to run WindowsNT and I would hear
the main drive rhythmically ticking at times. I would say to my
wife, "God only knows what the script monkeys are up to today."

	Then, she bought a laptop and I put Debian on that
original computer. It has two IDE drives in it and one of them
still makes that same noise when nothing should be happening. It
will do that for a minute or two and then fall silent so I think
the controller is just flexing the head rack.

Martin McCormick



Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:51:05 -0500
From: ArcticFox <genkokitsu@insightbb.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?
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On Aug 28, 2007, at 3:46 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:


>
> On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Cavan Mejias wrote:
>
>>             How much would all this apply to a laptop? I mean, are
>> they considered more robust or less? w/ regard to powering off and on?
>
> I don't like to leave laptops on because I've had cooling fan failures 
> in a few laptops.  I figure the less time the fan runs, the longer 
> it'll last.  This may apply less to more recent laptops where the fan 
> runs very little when the machine is idle, though.
>

I tend to leave my laptop on all the time, though I have an iBook (no 
fan) and I sleep it when I'm not using it.

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