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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2269
Today's Topics:
Re: Strange 224.0.0.251 address bein [ "Nelson Castillo" ]
Re: docBook or latex [ - Tong - ]
Re: help identifying a USB data stic [ - Tong - ]
Re: [Fwd: Re: i686 Port] [ "Douglas A. Tutty" ]
Re: Strange 224.0.0.251 address bein [ "Douglas A. Tutty" ]
Re: aptitude dist-upgrade and tex de [ Daniel Burrows ]
ATI Radeon All in Winder Video Captu [ "Orestes Leal" ]
Re: replacement for formmail [ Freddy Freeloader ]
Re: Shut down or leave on? [ Celejar ]
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:45:36 -0500
From: "Nelson Castillo" <nelsoneci@gmail.com>
To: "Nigel Henry" <cave.dnb@tiscali.fr>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Strange 224.0.0.251 address being accessed on bootup
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On 8/28/07, Nelson Castillo <nelsoneci@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Any comments, suggestions, and including "go and get a life", welcome.
>
> Well, it seems like a multicast address. I've used that range to do
> multicast in a LAN (with videolan).
Rendezvous, mDNS, zeroconf?
That is what I read somewhere?
Regards,
N.-
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:45:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
To: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG editor
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emacs or xemacs and html-helper-mode-el.
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:55:22 +0300
From: ndemou@gmail.com
To: pinniped <cirilo_bernardo@yahoo.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG editor
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On 8/29/07, pinniped <cirilo_bernardo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >What do you recommend as a good, practical WYSIWYG editor
> >for creating simple web pages, with mostly text, some
> >graphics and pdf, for debian Lenny please? Thanks.
I use OpenOffice but I then touch the html manually
It's not an elegant solution
I hope you'll find something better.
> [...]
> Actually WYSIWYG is VERY BAD for web page creation.
why do people find it so hard to believe that at least *sometimes* a
WYSIWYG editor is VERY GOOD for web page creation? The guy probably
needs what he asks for - trust him.
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:42:47 -0400
From: KS <lists04@fastmail.fm>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG editor
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pinniped wrote:
>
> Keep in mind that unless you use "style sheets" (in which
> case you're trying to force a certain look on your visitors), HTML was
No one is _forcing_ a certain look to the users by using a CSS. The user
is free to use their own CSS if they wish or even no CSS at all e.g. in
Iceweasel go View > Page Style > No Style. Not only that, they are free
to use the browser they want including lynx.
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:50:47 +0000 (UTC)
From: - Tong - <mlist4suntong@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: docBook or latex
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:15:01 +0000, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>> I want to write big document (say reports) ( sometimes with math
>> symboles and functions, not always).
>> Which is better and in which cases, I have to use docbook or latex??
>=20
> Considering that this is exactly what latex was designed for, I would
> use latex. . .
Yep, 2nd to that, and all the reasons as well.
--=20
Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:57:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: - Tong - <mlist4suntong@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: help identifying a USB data stick
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:28:10 +0200, Maciek Rutecki wrote:
> If works:
> /etc/fstab:
> /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 vfat user,noauto,umask=3D0,exec 0 0
better use UUID in this case, 'cause it could be /dev/sdb1 or even
/dev/sdc1 next time.
--=20
Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply)
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:33:12 +0000
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: i686 Port]
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 08:58:56PM +0100, Richard Thompson wrote:
> > I'm no expert, but I believe the thinking is that most of the processor
> > dependent code is in libc6, for which we do have the -i686 version, and
> > the kernel, which also comes in -686 flavors.
> >
> > Celejar
> Yes, I expect you are right about that, but there are other things such as
> services which, if they were i686 optimised I would expect to see a
> performance increase, I am also no expert, I was just jealous of arch's
> speed, and also suprisingly slackware's speed, which would suggest they've
> got something right
What kind of services don't run either in the kernel or in libc6?
As for getting "something right", if they truely are faster, faster
isn't always "right". Faster could be less secure or less stable, or
downright wrong coding.
The other issue is that 686 is starting, believe it or not, to get a
little long in the tooth. More and more processors are able to run
amd64. There is a whole amd64 port.
Doug.
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:53:11 -0400
From: Curt Howland <Howland@priss.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?
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On Tuesday 28 August 2007, debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org
was heard to say:
> I have two desktops and one laptop. I keep the desktops on 24x7.
> The laptop I turn off whenever not in use. Because of being
> battery powered, there are less current surges on power on with
> laptop. IMHO.
But with a "desktop", make sure to activate all those "Energy Star"
features like powering off the screen, spinning down the disks, etc.
Laptops are far easier on power.
If your desktop needs are moderate, I can suggest buying a laptop. It
can be left on just as much, with attention to cleaning the fan(s),
and they use much less power. I've been using a Sony PCG-GRT170 for
the last 4 years very happily. The more recent dual-core laptops with
MHz throttling are much cooler and quieter. I bought my Mom a
dual-core 1.6GHz HP Pavilion at $650 a couple months ago, and it's
just as "snappy" and actually boots faster than the 2.8GHz Vaio. Very
good for a "desktop" machine.
Curt-
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:27:28 +0000
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Strange 224.0.0.251 address being accessed on bootup
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 11:50:14PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> Any comments, suggestions, and including "go and get a life", welcome.
>
> This is no big deal, but would be nice to resolve this problem.
So its a script in /etc/network/ip-up.d? That would be run by the
networking stuff and you don't want to play with that.
To disable the actual script, put an exit -1 in after the shebang before
it actually does anything. By using -1, something that calls the script
should log an error somewhere that you can then trace. Use exit 0 to
just return 'success'.
I wouldn't tell you to "go and get a life". You've got a properly
installed debian package that is spitting out unwanted net traffic. To
me that's a big deal and worth a talk with the maintainer.
Doug.
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:36:12 +0000
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: replacement for formmail
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 02:58:00PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:51:00PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> >
> >>Anyone have any good recommendations for replacing formmail?
> >>
> >>I just started working for someone who is using it and we are trying to
> >>lock his sites down more than they have been in the past and are looking
> >>for a replacement.
> >
> >What is formmail?
> >
>
> A buggy, insecure perl script used for sending mail from a website.
> It's been around for a long time and a lot of people use it, but we
> would like to move away from it. You can still see one replacement for
> it using apt-cache if your sources.list file is pointed to sarge. You
> can find it by searching packages at debian.org and choosing "any" for
> the release.
I've never done CGI stuff. Why not just rewrite it so that its not
buggy? Use your language-of-choice. I would use Python but of course
it would require that I could read Perl, which I can't.
Doug.
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:49:59 -0400
From: Rick Pasotto <rick@niof.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: replacement for formmail
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 01:36:12AM +0000, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 02:58:00PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> > Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > >On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:51:00PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> > >
> > >>Anyone have any good recommendations for replacing formmail?
> > >>
> > >>I just started working for someone who is using it and we are trying to
> > >>lock his sites down more than they have been in the past and are looking
> > >>for a replacement.
> > >
> > >What is formmail?
> > >
> >
> > A buggy, insecure perl script used for sending mail from a website.
> > It's been around for a long time and a lot of people use it, but we
> > would like to move away from it. You can still see one replacement for
> > it using apt-cache if your sources.list file is pointed to sarge. You
> > can find it by searching packages at debian.org and choosing "any" for
> > the release.
>
> I've never done CGI stuff. Why not just rewrite it so that its not
> buggy? Use your language-of-choice. I would use Python but of course
> it would require that I could read Perl, which I can't.
There is a php version that is much better than the perl version.
http://www.dtheatre.com/scripts/formmail.php
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:38:13 -0700
From: Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org>
To: - Tong - <mlist4suntong@yahoo.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: aptitude dist-upgrade and tex dependencies
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On Sat, Aug 25, 2007 at 04:16:49PM +0000, - Tong - <mlist4suntong@yahoo.com> was heard to say:
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:39:17 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
>
> >> Is there any way to stop dist-upgrade from upgrading tetex to texlive?
> >
> > Holding the various tetex packages (tetex-bin, tetex-common,
> > tetex-extra, tetex-doc) "should" work -- but I wouldn't be surprised
>
> Unfortunately, no. Thanks Sven for pointing out the bug#434731
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=434731
As I said below, aptitude will break holds to upgrade packages. There
isn't much I can do about this as long as I'm relying on core apt code
to do the "instant recursive upgrades". There are enough bugs due to
apt not behaving the way I like that I'd write my own version of its
code full of new and exciting bugs if I had the time, but I don't.
It would be interesting to know what's pulling in tetex-extra. If you
held back all the packages that require it, you could pull off a partial
upgrade. It looks like most of the packages that requires tetex-extra are
TeX-related, like latex2html, although ocamlweb also shows up.
> I was planning to file a support bug report to 434731@bugs.debian.org, now
> I'm thinking, I should file a separate bug report on the package
> dependencies, because all I've been using was tetex, and it is only
> because some packages wrongly depends on texlive instead of tex-common
> that drag me into this mess.
>
> However, I think I'd better ask for advices before doing so.
> Please comments.
I don't know how the TeX team are managing their transition offhand.
A start would be to figure out which packages are forcing the upgrade of
tetex-extra -- you could find this out by, e.g., going into the
interactive interface, holding tetex-extra back after the upgrade
(manually), and then seeing what breaks.
Daniel
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:35:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Aaron Hall <lisps@vitaphone.net>
To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: replacement for formmail
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> Anyone have any good recommendations for replacing formmail?
>
> I just started working for someone who is using it and we are trying
> to lock his sites down more than they have been in the past and are
> looking for a replacement.
The NMS Project has a drop-in compatible replacement (with the option to
trade compatibility for more security) for formmail.pl and friends at
<http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/>.
- Aaron
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:27:46 -0400 (CDT)
From: "Orestes Leal" <orestesleal13022@cha.jovenclub.cu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: ATI Radeon All in Winder Video Capture in Linux
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Hi folks, I want to hear some suggestions about
video capture in linux, my status it=C2=B4s the next,
1) Ati Radeon All in Wonder x800 XL 256 Megs GDDR3 PCIe
2) Sattelite hughes connected to my 3 rca entrys.
3) All the cable stuff are connected.
So I need, and application to capture Video with my card,
capture shows, movies, etc and store all data in the hard
drive like I do on wins, I=C2=B4ve heard about gatos but seems
a little old, any way, I don=C2=B4t know, any suggestions will
be truly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Orestes.
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:55:03 +1000
From: Charlie <ariestao@clearmail.com.au>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Ping my modem... Solved
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On Wednesday 29 August 2007 01:35, Jeff D shared this with us all:
>--} On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Charlie wrote:
>--}
>--} > On Tuesday 28 August 2007 14:50, Octavio Alvarez shared this with us
> all: --} >> --} On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:42:41 -0700, Charlie
> <ariestao@clearmail.com.au> --} >> --} wrote:
>--} >> --}
>--} >> --} >> --} > Is the following a normal reply from a satellite modem
> to --} >> ping:- --} >> --} >
>--} >> --} >> --} > ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>--} >> --} >> --} > ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>--} >> --} >> --} > ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>--} >> --} >> --} > ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>--} >> --} >> --} > ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>--} >> --}
>--} >> --} Your iptables firewall is blocking ICMP.
>--} >> --}
>--} >
>--} > I use the guarddog firewall and allowed ICMP - Redirect and ICMP -
> Source --} > Quench on local and Internet DMZ and tried a combination of
> all and still get --} > the same message.
>--} >
>--} > It must just be something otherwise I reckon, and will get round it
>--} > eventually. I just thought that someone had come across this before.
>--} >
>--} > Thanks anyway for your help Octavio.
>--} > Charlie
>--} > --
>--}
>--} ICMP redirect and source quench aren't what ping uses though, you need
> to --} allow echo. Have a look at this doc, section 8.3:
>--}
> http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Setting_up_a_personal_firewall_on_Debian_u
>sing_Guarddog --}
>--} That should get you going.
>--}
>--} -+-
>--} 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred
> Techno. --}
>--}
You are the man Jeff D and I am pleased to say: Thank you.
It could have taken me another age to find why it wasn't working, and now
because of your knowledge time is saved and it works just as you said. :-)
I am only sorry to relate that my cat loves the music off the Bat out of Hell
album, not techno......... :-)
Thank you,
Charlie
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:11:04 -0700
From: Freddy Freeloader <fredddy@cableone.net>
To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: replacement for formmail
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Rick Pasotto wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 01:36:12AM +0000, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 02:58:00PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
>>
>>> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:51:00PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have any good recommendations for replacing formmail?
>>>>>
>>>>> I just started working for someone who is using it and we are trying to
>>>>> lock his sites down more than they have been in the past and are looking
>>>>> for a replacement.
>>>>>
>>>> What is formmail?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> A buggy, insecure perl script used for sending mail from a website.
>>> It's been around for a long time and a lot of people use it, but we
>>> would like to move away from it. You can still see one replacement for
>>> it using apt-cache if your sources.list file is pointed to sarge. You
>>> can find it by searching packages at debian.org and choosing "any" for
>>> the release.
>>>
>> I've never done CGI stuff. Why not just rewrite it so that its not
>> buggy? Use your language-of-choice. I would use Python but of course
>> it would require that I could read Perl, which I can't.
>>
>
> There is a php version that is much better than the perl version.
>
> http://www.dtheatre.com/scripts/formmail.php
>
>
> Thank you. That is just what I was looking for.
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:23:14 +1000
From: Charlie <ariestao@clearmail.com.au>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Ping my modem........
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On Wednesday 29 August 2007 06:07, Dan Serban shared this with us all:
>--} Charlie wrote:
>--} > Never having used ping, and not really understanding the man page for
> it:- --} >
>--} > When I ping my modem:
>--} >
>--} > what command/option/s should I use?
>--} > Is the following a normal reply from a satellite modem to ping:-
>--} >
>--} > ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>--} > ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>--} > ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>--} > ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>--} > ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>--} >
>--} > TIA,
>--} > Charlie
>--}
>--} Can you please post your exact ping command here? Make sure ICMP echo
>--} is allowed and that you can confirm that your modem actually has an IP.
>--} As another test, try pinging google, or debian.org.
This has been solved, Thank you.
Jeff had twigged that I didn't have "echo" enabled in my firewall, and that
was the fix.
You were obviously on the same track.
Be well,
Charlie
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sympathy. .......................................Henry David Thoreau
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:15:01 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:22:43 -0400
icelinux@icelinux.net wrote:
[snip]
> It does save electricity and if you are concerned about system
> maintenannce then all you need to do is ensure that anacron is
> installed and running. anacron will run the maintenance task which
> have been missed after bootup. Unless you have a very old machine you
> will probably not even notice.
I've also been wondering about system maintenance on my laptop. To the
extent that I grok the (default) anacron / cron interplay, anacron will
run daily all the scripts in /etc/cron.daily, weekly all the scripts
in /etc/cron.weekly and monthly all the scripts in /etc/cron.monthly.
It won't, AFAICT, run stuff from ordinary crontabs, such
as /etc/crontab or the files in /etc/cron.d. I use rsnapshot, which
supplies a cron file in /etc/cron.d, which anacron apparently won't
run. I suppose one must make sure that all one's cron stuff is in the
directories that anacron runs, or perhaps rewrite /etc/anacrontab.
Celejar
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