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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2275

Today's Topics:

  Re: konsole + system bell             [ Hugo Vanwoerkom  ]
  Re: xterm won't start                 [ Vincent Lefevre  ]
  dom0 doesn't boot                     [ Frank  ]

Mailman problems during upgrade sarg [ Wolodja Wentland <babilen@gmail.com ]

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:48:41 -0500
From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: konsole + system bell

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Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 10:42:55AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>

>> Aha! I do 'echo -e "\a"'
>>  in konsole and get nothing! Beeps in VT.
>>
>> And lsmod shows pcspkr loaded.
>>
>> Now what?

>
> Do you have any other x-terminal-emulator installed? I tried in
> xfce-terminal and it doesn't beep. Perhaps there's an xset setting to
> allow audible beeps. Look at the xset man page, especially the -b
> option.

I do: xterm. 'xset b 100' sets the bell on 100%. 'xset q' shows the bell on at 100%. 'echo -e "\a"' does nothing.

>
> Unfortunatly for you, the computer that I'm directly attached to me is
> on the floor below (monitor, keyboard, and mouse cables run through the
> floor) so I can only hear the beep if the room is quiet. It is noisy
> right now. Perhaps you will have some luck.

Do you need help?

That's an interesting hookup: I'd like that, but where do you get the mon/mouse/kbd cables that long? I'd put the noise in the next room here :-)

>
> You could try the GUI interface to xset; something like gtkxset or
> gxset.

It's gxset. Shows the same as xset q. Beep me up Scotty does nothing.

Batting zero here.

Hugo

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:12:35 -0500
From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: konsole + system bell

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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 10:42:55AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>>  
>>> Aha! I do 'echo -e "\a"'
>>>  in konsole and get nothing! Beeps in VT.
>>>
>>> And lsmod shows pcspkr loaded.
>>>
>>> Now what?
>>

<snip>
>
>
> It's gxset. Shows the same as xset q. Beep me up Scotty does nothing.
>

Do you need more help?

And applying settings segfaults gxset. As it did for #364491 1 year and 127 days ago.

Bing, bong, where's the bell...

Hugo

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:17:45 +0200
From: "Manon Metten" <manon.metten@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG editor
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Hi,

Can we help you?

On 8/28/07, Loeghmon T. Nejad <loeghmon@gmail.com> wrote:

What do you recommend as a good, practical WYSIWYG editor for creating
> simple web pages, with mostly text, some graphics and pdf, for debian Lenny
> please? Thanks.

You could use Quanta +. Pressing 2 will load the page you just edited in Opera;
Ctr+Shift+F12 in Firefox, F12 in Konqueror; Mozilla in Shift+F12; Netscape in Shift+F6;

OTOH, you should always be aware that what the end user sees, depends heavily on
his/her settings. Do never expect your page to look exactly the same as on your system.

Check out this link: http://htmlhelp.com/

Here's the intro from there website:
"The Web Design Group was founded to promote the creation of non-browser specific, non-resolution specific, creative and informative sites that are accessible to all users worldwide. To this end, the WDG offers material on a wide range of HTML related topics. We hope that with this site as a reference, you will be able to create Web sites that can be used by every person on the Internet, regardless of browser, platform, or settings."

Manon.

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Hi,<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/28/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Loeghmon T. Nejad</b> <<a href="mailto:loeghmon@gmail.com">loeghmon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> What do you recommend as a good, practical WYSIWYG editor for creating simple web pages, with mostly text, some graphics and pdf, for debian Lenny please? Thanks.</blockquote><div><br><br>You could use Quanta +. Pressing 2 will load the page you just edited in Opera;


Ctr+Shift+F12 in Firefox,  F12 in Konqueror; Mozilla in Shift+F12; Netscape in Shift+F6;

OTOH, you should always be aware that what the end user sees, depends heavily on
his/her settings. Do never expect your page to look exactly the same as on your system.


Check out this link: 
http://htmlhelp.com/

Here's the intro from there website:
"The Web Design Group was founded to promote the creation of non-browser specific, non-resolution specific, creative and informative sites that are accessible to all users worldwide. To this end, the WDG offers material on a wide range of HTML related topics. We hope that with this site as a reference, you will be able to create Web sites that can be used by every person on the Internet, regardless of browser, platform, or settings."


Manon.

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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:36:55 +0100 (BST) From: "G.W. Haywood" <ged@jubileegroup.co.uk> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: I just installed OpenNTP. Now what? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0708291926350.6315@mail3.jubileegroup.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hi there,

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 Amit Uttamchandani wrote:

> So just installed OpenNTP on a shiny new etch system. The daemon is started
> during startup but now what? How do I know that my clock is being synchronized?

Look at the messages in /var/log/daemon.log

Confused? Frustrated?

> I checked the config and there are debian ntp servers listed.

You should really use servers that are local to you, this minimizes network delays and gives you a better time. A good choice might be

pool.XX.ntp.org

where XX is your two-letter country code. Most people will not have to worry about the quality of the time service, it's adequate for almost all purposes. On some servers I've messed around with adjtimex just to see what can be done (and quite a bit can be done) but I've never really needed to do it.

Here's my /etc/openntpd/ntpd.conf:

8<-------------------------------------------
server 0.uk.pool.ntp.org
server 1.uk.pool.ntp.org

server 2.uk.pool.ntp.org
server 3.uk.pool.ntp.org

8<-------------------------------------------

Check out the ntp Website for more information.

--

73,
Ged.

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:36:51 -0700 From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu> To: List Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Debian Etch on MacBook Message-Id: <991F5D3B-890F-4760-B864-AEE7186B2083@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 29, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Cassiano Bertol Leal wrote:
> You can simply plug a USB tree-buttons mouse on the Mac and you'll be
> fine. Works like a charm.
Oh, I realize that. But in portable use, where you're using the built-in touchpad, you're stuck with only one button. IBM is to be commended for putting three-button mice on their laptops. It makes using them with X Windows much easier.
> Not to mention that it's really nice that in the newer models,
> both the lid closure and the power cord have magnets instead of
> mechanical locks. You close the lid and it just snaps closed. To open,
> there are no buttons attached to hooks to keep it closed.
This is a really clever design feature, I agree. I also like the little flip-out hooks for winding up the AC adapter low voltage cord, although they forgot to provide any for the 120 volt cord.
> Not to mention that the MacBooks are also slim and light. AND their
> CD/DVD drives are not of the shelfe type. You just stick the media
> in it
> and it pulls it in. Just like an in-car CD player. Cool.
This seems like a great idea until you need to read one of those three-inch mini-CDs. ;)

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:45:45 +0200 From: "Manon Metten" <manon.metten@gmail.com> To: "debian Users ENG" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: icedove, KDE and pdf attachments Message-ID: <5da176070708291145i31c9c47eib2cc4f4e74fa97fc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1312_12456074.1188413145194" ------=_Part_1312_12456074.1188413145194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Giorgos, On 8/29/07, Giorgos Pallas <gpall@ccf.auth.gr> wrote: Which brings me to my last question: I don't have a ~/.icedove nor a
> ~/.thunderbird directory... Where does it store my profile?
~/.mozilla-thunderbird. Manon. ------=_Part_1312_12456074.1188413145194 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Giorgos,<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/29/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Giorgos Pallas</b> <<a href="mailto:gpall@ccf.auth.gr">gpall@ccf.auth.gr</a>> wrote:<br></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Which brings me to my last question: I don't have a ~/.icedove nor a<br>~/.thunderbird directory... Where does it store my profile?</blockquote><div><br>~/.mozilla-thunderbird.<br></div></div><br>Manon.<br><br> ------=_Part_1312_12456074.1188413145194--

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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:50:55 -0300 From: Cassiano Bertol Leal <cassianoleal@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian Etch on MacBook Message-ID: <46D5C00F.2070203@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Brodbeck wrote:
>
> On Aug 29, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Cassiano Bertol Leal wrote:
>> You can simply plug a USB tree-buttons mouse on the Mac and you'll be >> fine. Works like a charm.
>
> Oh, I realize that. But in portable use, where you're using the
> built-in touchpad, you're stuck with only one button. IBM is to be
> commended for putting three-button mice on their laptops. It makes
> using them with X Windows much easier.
True. No argue to that. >> Not to mention that it's really nice that in the newer models, >> both the lid closure and the power cord have magnets instead of >> mechanical locks. You close the lid and it just snaps closed. To open, >> there are no buttons attached to hooks to keep it closed.
>
> This is a really clever design feature, I agree. I also like the little
> flip-out hooks for winding up the AC adapter low voltage cord, although
> they forgot to provide any for the 120 volt cord.
Yeah, it's really cool. I'm not sure about the newer models, but my girfriend's G4's 120v cord can be unattached from the converter and a simple mains plug w/o a cord can be attached in its place, in a way that you will have the converter hanging directly from the mains, and then the low voltage cord. >> Not to mention that the MacBooks are also slim and light. AND their >> CD/DVD drives are not of the shelfe type. You just stick the media in it >> and it pulls it in. Just like an in-car CD player. Cool.
>
> This seems like a great idea until you need to read one of those
> three-inch mini-CDs. ;)
Hahaha... Had never thought of that! I guess for most users it wouldn't be a problem, but if you really have the need for it, it will definitely be annoying. Cassiano -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG1cAPq4Bz51JiUuERAnKRAKDBPZBZ5DmoQFIz76Sdac0/d6SKagCeLFVj CSyfvAPgNzJH4Uns6m13Kag= =XEjH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:10:25 +0200 From: "Mirco Piccin" <pictux@gmail.com> To: "List Debian User" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Debian Etch on MacBook Message-ID: <ff8e9dfe0708291210s5ed23853p4d6e732b5cf15b4b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4360_19754722.1188414625300" ------=_Part_4360_19754722.1188414625300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi!
> This seems like a great idea until you need to read one of those
> three-inch mini-CDs. ;)
..or a credit card CD !! :-P I agree with David:
> I like eraserhead mice better than touchpads
also i don't like touchpad too much, i prefer erasehead.
> OS X is really, really nice, but it sounds like you plan to run Linux on
it anyway, so that doesn't really enter the picture. ..and ye, I aim to install Debian, of course, on this laptop (mac or ibm).
> - Apple's hardware reliability has not exactly been stellar
... and ibm (in this case) has a lot of parts resellers ... ------=_Part_4360_19754722.1188414625300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <div><div>Hi! </div><br>> This seems like a great idea until you need to read one of those<br>> three-inch mini-CDs. ;)<br></div>..or a credit card CD !! :-P<br><br>I agree with David:<br>> I like eraserhead mice better than touchpads <br>also i don't like touchpad too much, i prefer erasehead.<br><br>> OS X is really, really nice, but it sounds like you plan to run Linux on it anyway, so that doesn't really enter the picture.<br>..and ye, I aim to install Debian, of course, on this laptop (mac or ibm). <br><br><span class="q">> - Apple's hardware reliability has not exactly been stellar</span><br>... and ibm (in this case) has a lot of parts resellers ...<br> ------=_Part_4360_19754722.1188414625300--

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:55:51 +0200 From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: xterm won't start Message-ID: <20070829185551.GB27290@prunille.vinc17.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2007-08-27 23:06:53 -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
> I should have made it clear that I am using a (the latest package)
> stock 2.6.22 (486) kernel. It would seem that I must have made some
> kind of install mistake to lead to:
>
> xterm: Error 32, errno 2: No such file or directory
> Reason: get_pty: not enough ptys
Do you get similar errors with other terminals (in particular rxvt) and the same kernel? You should also look at strace output. I also suggest typing "get_pty: not enough ptys" (with the quotes) on Google to see if other users had the same problem and solved it. --=20 Vincent Lef=E8vre <vincent(at)vinc17.org> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.org/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.org/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:06:25 +0200 From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: docBook or latex Message-ID: <20070829190625.GC27290@prunille.vinc17.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2007-08-27 20:35:36 -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> After trying every converter I could find, I discovered HeVeA. HeVeA
> takes LaTeX files and produces beautiful HTML, with much less hassle
> than any of the other solutions which I found. HeVeA handles LaTeX
> documents with complex formatting, including footnotes; it appears to
> be in a category by itself. HeVeA comes with an excellent manual. =20
HeVeA only works with standard classes: vin:~/wd/tex> hevea wcinverse.tex ./wcinverse.tex:1: Warning: Cannot open file: vlart.hva Giving up command: \documentclass ./wcinverse.tex:1: Error while reading LaTeX: No base style Adios As almost all of my LaTeX files use non-standard classes, hevea is unusable. --=20 Vincent Lef=E8vre <vincent(at)vinc17.org> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.org/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.org/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:09:31 +0200 From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: docBook or latex Message-ID: <20070829190931.GD27290@prunille.vinc17.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2007-08-28 13:28:34 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> Docbook also seems to have been designed by masochists.... it's so
> horribly verbose that I can't imagine how people put up with maintainin=
g
> documents written using it. It's as if the creators got so carried awa=
y
> adding features that they completely forgot about basic usability.
I've no problem with it. Perhaps you need an editor that hides its verbosity, or some other tool that would convert a fuzzy format into DocBook. --=20 Vincent Lef=E8vre <vincent(at)vinc17.org> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.org/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.org/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:03:59 +0200 From: Robert Cates <robert@kormar.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: WYSIWYG editor Message-ID: <46D5D12F.3040206@kormar.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Grieveson wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:13:12 +0000 (UTC)
> debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org wrote:
>
>
>>> What do you recommend as a good, practical WYSIWYG editor for >>> creating simple web pages, with mostly text, some graphics and pdf, >>> for debian Lenny please? Thanks. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >
> Iceape Composer is okay. A lot of people like Nvu (available in source
> for Linux at nvu.com).
>
> Mark
> >
>
I only use WYSIWYG editors to scrape together an idea first, then fine tune the code with my favorite text editor, but here are a few I know of - Nvu (http://www.nvu.com/) I believe also available in package form - Quanta Plus - SeaMonkey (http://www.mozilla.org/) - OpenOffice. Robert

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:12:07 +0200 From: Frank <josephbeuys@gmx.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: dom0 doesn't boot Message-ID: <46D5D317.2000407@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I dont know what I've done wrong to install xen in etch. Thats my confic. --- title Xen 3.0.3-1-i386 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-5-xen-686 root (hd0,0) kernel /xen-3.0.3-1-i386.gz module /vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-xen-686 root=/dev/md1 ro xencons=off console=tt ty0 module /initrd.img-2.6.18-5-xen-686 savedefault --- The xen kernel starts to boot and comes back to grubs bootmenu. I can't see any error message because it't on a serial console. It's a amd 64 3200+ prozessor. Maybe sombody knows a solution. tom

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:43:12 +0200 From: Wolodja Wentland <babilen@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Mailman problems during upgrade sarge->etch Message-ID: <20070829204312.GA4422@kikutani.local> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Content-Disposition: inline --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, i am doing an upgrade of one of our servers from sarge to etch. It ran=20 quite smoothly, just mailman gives me a headache. It is the last package=20 which needs to get upgraded and i am stuck with the following error=20 right now: --- snip --- root@host:/etc# aptitude dist-upgrade=20 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading extended state information =20 Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done =20 Building tag database... Done =20 No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. Setting up mailman (2.1.9-7) ... Looking for enabled languages (this may take some time) ... done. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 122, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 94, in main mlist =3D MailList.MailList(n, lock=3D0) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__ self.Load() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 665, in Load self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 718, in CheckVersion Update(self, stored_state) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 53, in Update NewRequestsDatabase(l) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 489, in NewRequestsData= base msg =3D Message.OutgoingMessage(text) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'OutgoingMessage' Installing site language de ................................ done. Installing site language en ............................................ do= ne. [ ... full log at http://rafb.net/p/jQdgFY38.html ... ] File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 489, in NewRequestsData= base msg =3D Message.OutgoingMessage(text) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'OutgoingMessage' dpkg: error processing mailman (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: mailman --- snip --- Any ideas on how to proceed? I googled and checked the mailman and=20 debian bug lists, but did not really find anything that helped much. --- Wolodja --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG1dpgc5LrxXrbkwgRAiNIAJ9by3L6p0N1Yi9r0XdO+z8vZZiXOwCgle+a udLxBfgSU1B1BqPVgBLxY5I= =8kLT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk-- End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2275 ************************************************** Received on Wed Aug 29 16:58:13 2007

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