Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:55:27 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: AW: AW: configuration center in debian?
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On 08/30/07 10:33, Johann Horwath wrote:
> hi ron,
>=20
> knowing all the - heavy - discussions about ubuntu versus debian i real=
ly
> want to stay with debian. ;-)
It's been way too long since I've used KDE. I'm pretty sure that it
has more "control center" utilities than GNOME does.
Do you have a minimal KDE install, or a rich one?
> are those tools only available in/for ubuntu? where do i get them?
>=20
>=20
>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net]=20
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 16:54
>> An: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Betreff: Re: AW: configuration center in debian?
>>
>>
> On 08/30/07 09:45, Johann Horwath wrote:
>>>> thank you roberto for your tip - i think most of my wishes=20
> are fulfilled now
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> exept: starting/stopping/configuring wifi/bluetooth and configuring
>>>> x-server. i didn't see a module in webmin during my quick-search.=20
>>>>
>>>> is there some gui-thing for those jobs?
> I hear that Ubuntu has some great point-and-drool tools.
>=20
>>>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>> Von: Roberto D'Oliveira [mailto:rcdeoliveira@gmail.com]=20
>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 16:16
>>>>> An: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>>>> Betreff: Re: configuration center in debian?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2007/8/30, Johann Horwath :
>>>>>> hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is there something like a gui-configuration-center=20
>>>>> (bootloader, network,
>>>>>> software-(de)installation,...) in debian?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> greetings
>>>>>> hans
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact=20
>>>>> listmaster@lists.debian.org
>>>>> If you want something like a "centralized control center"=20
> you can try
>>>>> with webmin : http://www.webmin.com/- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:59:42 +0200
From: Chris <nws@cevnet.mine.nu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: configuration center in debian?
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On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 15:59 +0200, Johann Horwath wrote:
> hello,
>
> is there something like a gui-configuration-center (bootloader, network,
> software-(de)installation,...) in debian?
>
AFAIK there is no such thing as a "gui-configuration-center". There are,
however, gui-tools for system management. Have a look at
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/gnome-system-tools
it mentions:
" Nowadays there are tools for managing:
- Users and groups
- Date and time
- Network configuration
- Bootloaders
- Runlevels"
I am sure KDE has equivalent tools. As for software-(de)installation,
also know as package-management, there is aptitude. If that is not gui
enough, you might want to try synaptic.
You can find out what software is available by querying apt-cache.
--
Chris
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:05:18 +0200
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: [OT] revision control: git vs mercurial as replacement for bzr
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[I don't want to start a flame; just to investigate which application is
best for my particular purpose. No offence intended to anyone.]
I currently use bzr for revision control of mainly text (eg. LaTeX)
documents and simple 'scripts' to analyse scientific data, ie. not
exactly what people usually consider 'source control management'. A
typical project involves hundreds of LaTeX-files bundled into a large
document system or on the order of 10000 (static) data files that are
analysed with say up to 100 scripts and input files for gnuplot (only
those require to be versioned).
The tree of LaTeX-document also contains binary data (like figures and
pdf output files) that don't require version control, but should ideally
be synchronized between branches. (With bzr, I use a blundering
combination of rsync and 'bzr merge|pull' to synchronize all files).
I am slightly leaning towards mercurial, because it is available for
potential collaborators with MS's OS. Most of all however, I want the
tool that is powerful and efficient (both usage, time and space).
Thanks for your opinions!
Johannes
Note:
The main motivation for my switch is that bzr is still too much in
development for my taste (with etch's version). The tutorial [1] and
even the one page quick reference [2] have several commands different
and new to etch's version. I'd rather have a 'current generation'
version control system instead of a quickly evolving, slightly buggy
'next-generation' bzr.
[1] http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/tutorial.htm
[2] http://m0n5t3r.info/stuff/bzr-quickref/bzr-quickref.pdf
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:10:53 +0200
From: "Johann Horwath" <j.horwath@salk.at>
To: "'Chris'" <nws@cevnet.mine.nu>
Cc: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: AW: configuration center in debian?
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thank you very much, chris, for pointing me to packages.debian.org!=20
this was very helpful ( - maybe some search-time is now needed... :-) )
greetings
hans
=20
> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Chris [mailto:nws@cevnet.mine.nu]=20
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. August 2007 18:00
> An: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Betreff: Re: configuration center in debian?
>=20
>=20
> On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 15:59 +0200, Johann Horwath wrote:
> > hello,
> >=20
> > is there something like a gui-configuration-center=20
> (bootloader, network,
> > software-(de)installation,...) in debian?
> >=20
> AFAIK there is no such thing as a "gui-configuration-center".=20
> There are,
> however, gui-tools for system management. Have a look at
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/gnome-system-tools
> it mentions:
> " Nowadays there are tools for managing:=20
> - Users and groups
> - Date and time
> - Network configuration
> - Bootloaders
> - Runlevels"
>=20
> I am sure KDE has equivalent tools. As for software-(de)installation,
> also know as package-management, there is aptitude. If that is not gui
> enough, you might want to try synaptic.
>=20
> You can find out what software is available by querying apt-cache.=20
> --=20
> Chris <nws@cevnet.mine.nu>
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org=20
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact=20
> listmaster@lists.debian.org
>=20
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:58:11 +0200
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: ssh-agent (was: using a remote IMAP server and smarthost)
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:59:10 +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 01:00:44AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
[...]
> > Ssh-agent is part of the openssh-client package. It should be started
> > with every X session by the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent
> > script. (See "ps -e | grep ssh-agent".)
>
> Oh yes, I see it is set up to start if available...
> >
> > However, ssh-agent needs a frontend to handle the interaction with the
> > user when a passphrase for a private key has to be entered. This seems
> > to be what you are missing. Install one of the packages that provide
> > "ssh-askpass":
>
> I installed gtk-led-askpass and added a line "/usr/bin/gtk-led-askpass" in
> ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart, but this simply caused Xwindows
> to open in a frozen state (waiting for my response on a non-visible
> window, I assume since the ssh-agent process was running). This is
> probably easy enough to resolve, but it will still require me to enter
> the reasonably secure passphrase (read "excessively long") that I chose,
> so perhaps I shall stay with method 1, the ssh tunnel, which works
> easily enough.
I realize now that I made a mistake in my earlier mail: At the start of
the X session I run "ssh-add" and not gtk-led-askpass. It seems that
this also works for windowmaker:
http://www.windowmaker.info/faq.php?chapter=5#109
(I think you don't need the "eval `ssh-agent`" line since that part is
already handled by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent.)
> The only thing that would make it more convenient still would be if I
> could see how to write scripts to open and close the tunnel. They would
> need to check if it is already open first. When opening or closing the
> tunnel the scripts would also set sendmail= apropriately. Then I could
> map them to hotkeys in mutt. When I am attached to our home network, I
> can send direct, but when I am on a laptop elsewhere or in Italy I need
> to use the tunnelling. So the possibility of easy switching would be
> useful.
I never tried to set up something like that. I don't think you need port
forwarding if you have the remote execution of msmtp working, no matter
where you are. Just add your laptop's id_*.pub identities to
~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the vm. Of course, this requires that ssh
works from wherever you are, but if ssh does not work than you cannot
use port forwarding either.
--
Regards, | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
Florian |
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:52:35 +0200
From: Chris <nws@cevnet.mine.nu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: hdparm configuration help
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:08:28 -0700, Joris Huizer wrote:
> Hello,
>
> After the recent udev + hdparm problems, I'm thinking of reconfiguring
> hdparm (hdparm currently is not configured, just reinstalled, so I'm
> assuming it's currently using default settings)
>
>
> This is the output of `hdparm -v -i /dev/hda`:
>
>
> /dev/hda:
> multcount = 0 (off)
> IO_support = 1 (32-bit)
> unmaskirq = 1 (on)
> using_dma = 0 (off)
> keepsettings = 0 (off)
> readonly = 0 (off)
> readahead = 256 (on)
> geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 78165360, start
> = 0
<snip>
>
> /dev/hdb:
> multcount = 0 (off)
> IO_support = 1 (32-bit)
> unmaskirq = 1 (on)
> using_dma = 0 (off)
> keepsettings = 0 (off)
> readonly = 0 (off)
> readahead = 256 (on)
> geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 80293248, start
> = 0
<snip>
> Could someone tell me what settings are appropiate for my hard discs?
I
> tried before with, what didn't really seem to push things, but
problems
> with modules not loading reappeared
>
You need to turn on at least dma. I suppose the output of hdparm
-t /dev/yourdisk is not very cheerful with dma turned off.
I recently built a new system and it defaults to dma turned on. I've not
edited /etc/defaults/hdparm or /etc/hdparm/.conf. So as to why yours
seems to be turned off I do not know.
I get this:
cevnet:~#hdparm /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
multcount = 0 (off)
IO_support = 1 (32-bit)
unmaskirq = 1 (on)
using_dma = 1 (on)
keepsettings = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead = 2048 (on)
geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 80293248, start = 0
cevnet:~#hdparm -t /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Timing buffered disk reads: 92 MB in 3.14 seconds = 29.31 MB/sec
the other disc does better than that though:
cevnet:~#hdparm /dev/hdb
/dev/hdb:
multcount = 0 (off)
IO_support = 1 (32-bit)
unmaskirq = 1 (on)
using_dma = 1 (on)
keepsettings = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead = 2048 (on)
geometry = 24792/255/63, sectors = 398297088, start = 0
cevnet:~#hdparm -t /dev/hdb
/dev/hdb:
Timing buffered disk reads: 172 MB in 3.02 seconds = 56.95 MB/sec
--
Chris <nws@cevnet.mine.nu>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:27:56 +0530
From: "Masatran, R. Deepak" <masatran@research.iiit.ac.in>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: How to bind keys to commands, without requiring login?
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I want to bind some keys to commands. I can do this using my window manager,
but I want it to work even if (1) Nobody is logged in OR if (2) the screen
is locked with a screen-saver.
I am using Debian 4.0, with GDM, and Sawfish.
--
Masatran, R. Deepak <http://research.iiit.ac.in/~masatran/>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:01:15 +0200
From: Chris <nws@cevnet.mine.nu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: X config issues
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On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 10:51 -0500, Kent West wrote:
> With one of the newer updates to X, Xinerama became problematic with an
> Intel video chipset, which broke my dual-monitor setup (the second video
> card is nVidia-based). After months of living without my dual-monitor
> setup to which I had become accustomed, I finally snagged another
> nVidia-based PCI cards that I threw in my box. After running "X
> -configure", I got a new almost working xorg.conf file; I had to remove
> any references to the Intel chipset and it's matching non-existent
> monitor, and maybe a couple of other small tweaks, to end up with the
> following:
>
<snip>
>
> Any clues would be appreciated.
A guess: did you edit /etc/defaults/nvidia-kernel now that you have 2
nvidia cards?
--
Chris <nws@cevnet.mine.nu>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:50:10 -0700
From: John L Fjellstad <john-debian@fjellstad.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Better iptables firewall
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Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com> writes:
> # Generated by iptables-save v1.3.6 on Mon Jun 18 09:55:18 2007
> *filter
> :INPUT DROP [0:0]
> :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
> :OUTPUT ACCEPT [35639:3072343]
> -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
> -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
> -A INPUT -p icmp -m limit --limit 1/sec -j ACCEPT
> -A INPUT -p icmp -j DROP
> #-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5030 -j ACCEPT
> #-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 8080 -j ACCEPT
> #-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 15000 -j ACCEPT
> COMMIT
> # Completed on Mon Jun 18 09:55:18 2007
I took the rules look fine
--
John L. Fjellstad
web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:51:03 +0200
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Editing a text file with sed
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Joe Hart wrote:
[snip]
> I appreciate the answer, I didn't even know about the fmt command until now.
> It does seem to work in the example, but not on the real file(s) that I am
> working with. Something makes me think that these files have some very
> strange characters in them, but they don't seem to show up when I cat the
> file.
Try the 'strings' command for removing non-printable characters.
(Package: binutils)
HTH,
Johannes
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:41:31 +0800
From: jidanni@jidanni.org
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: USB/HID keyboard
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I cannot figure out how to get
input: Generic USB K/B as /class/input/input5
input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [Generic USB K/B] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-2
to get read. I hit on the keys and nothing happens.
I want to try out this second keyboard and I can't.
I see the above dmesg message, but I can't make what I type on that
second keyboard do anything.
$ cat < /dev/input/event0 works great proving my laptop's keyboard is
getting read. But using other numbers than 0 all don't work for the
other keyboard. modprobe usbkbd; modprobe xtkbd; don't help.
When I connect the keyboard, its lights flash as they should, so the
connection is OK.
I am hoping to use this in X, console, and maybe even at the lilo
prompt. It is a PS/2 keyboard connected via a HID/USB adapter.
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:29:24 +0200
From: Mathias Brodala <info@noctus.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: upgrading ubuntu to debian
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Hi.
Britton Kerin, 30.08.2007 20:19:
> (Though I will say that little hack where the shell tells you which=20
> package a program is in looks pretty cute and helpful :)
Not sure what you mean here, but that=E2=80=99s what apt-file is for.
Regards, Mathias
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:19:06 -0800
From: "Britton Kerin" <bkerin@fastmail.fm>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: upgrading ubuntu to debian
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I just bought a computer that came with ubuntu and would like to switch
it to pure debian. Is there a standard way to do this that someone
could point me to?
(Though I will say that little hack where the shell tells you which
package a program is in looks pretty cute and helpful :)
Thanks,
Britton
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:27:23 -0300
From: "Cavan Mejias" <cavanmejias@gmail.com>
To: "Britton Kerin" <bkerin@fastmail.fm>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: upgrading ubuntu to debian
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Just get a debian cd (check architecture) and boot. When it asks what to do
tell it to format the entire hard drive and install Debian. Or did you want
to keep some aspects of Ubuntu?
On 8/30/07, Britton Kerin <bkerin@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>
> I just bought a computer that came with ubuntu and would like to switch
> it to pure debian. Is there a standard way to do this that someone
> could point me to?
>
> (Though I will say that little hack where the shell tells you which
> package a program is in looks pretty cute and helpful :)
>
> Thanks,
> Britton
>
>
>
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Just get a debian cd (check architecture) and boot. When it asks what to do tell it to format the entire hard drive and install Debian. Or did you want to keep some aspects of Ubuntu?<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 8/30/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Britton Kerin</b> <<a href="mailto:bkerin@fastmail.fm">bkerin@fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>I just bought a computer that came with ubuntu and would like to switch<br>it to pure debian. Is there a standard way to do this that someone<br>could point me to?<br><br>(Though I will say that little hack where the shell tells you which
<br> package a program is in looks pretty cute and helpful :)<br><br>Thanks,<br>Britton<br><br><br><br>--<br>To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to <a href="mailto:debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org">debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:00:55 -0400
From: Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: upgrading ubuntu to debian
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 10:19:06AM -0800, Britton Kerin wrote:
>
> I just bought a computer that came with ubuntu and would like to switch
> it to pure debian. Is there a standard way to do this that someone
> could point me to?
>
> (Though I will say that little hack where the shell tells you which
> package a program is in looks pretty cute and helpful :)
>
> Thanks,
> Britton
>
>
Unless you REALLY know what you're doing, upgrading from Ubuntu to
Debian (And vice-versa) is nearly impossible and unsupported by the
Debian community (If you did try it, we probably wouldn't be able to
help you). Too many things are done differently between the two
operating systems, for example, while Debian uses root to do many tasks
by default Ubuntu has no true root user and instead uses sudo.
If I were you I'd backup my /home partition and reinstall as Debian; The
first thing you should do is create a /home partition when you get a new
computer anyway.
If you don't mind me asking, what company did you purchase the laptop
from?
- --
If programmers deserve to be rewarded for creating innovative
programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they
restrict the use of these programs.
- Richard Stallman
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:42:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Christian <keithchristian@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Editing a text file with sed
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Joe, you could also try the 'par' program, see:
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=3Dnames&ve=
rsion=3Dall&exact=3D1&keywords=3Dpar
It has a lot of options and can handle more complex documents than fmt ca=
n.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DKeith
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:46:04 -0500
From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: hdparm configuration help
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Joris Huizer wrote:
> Hello,
>
> After the recent udev + hdparm problems, I'm thinking
> of reconfiguring hdparm (hdparm currently is not
> configured, just reinstalled, so I'm assuming it's
> currently using default settings)
>
>
> This is the output of `hdparm -v -i /dev/hda`:
>
>
> /dev/hda:
> multcount = 0 (off)
> IO_support = 1 (32-bit)
> unmaskirq = 1 (on)
> using_dma = 0 (off)
> keepsettings = 0 (off)
> readonly = 0 (off)
> readahead = 256 (on)
> geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 78165360, start
> = 0
<snip>
> /dev/hdb:
> multcount = 0 (off)
> IO_support = 1 (32-bit)
> unmaskirq = 1 (on)
> using_dma = 0 (off)
> keepsettings = 0 (off)
> readonly = 0 (off)
> readahead = 256 (on)
> geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 80293248, start
> = 0
>
How did dma get turned off? Did you do that yourself?
Hugo
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:47:40 -0500
From: "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: kde panels !
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On 08/30/2007 10:53 AM, Rick wrote:
> have the typical kde panel below to launch my apps, and applets, virtual
> desktop.... HOWEVER, its getting crowded... I would like to do the
> following "IF Possible"
>
> is there a way to add a new panel, and have it display only "Open Windows or
> Open Apps"... again, the original panel is very crowded,
> and I would like to move ALL "Open Windows" Open Browsers..and Open Apps...
> to that New panel, and have that New panel just display those item only.
>
> Thanks -
> Richard
>
>
>
In KDE, you can add a "child panel." If the normal panel is at the
bottom of the screen, the child panel will appear along one of the sides
or at the top of the screen. It will initially be empty, so you can add
whatever you wish to it.
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