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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2293

Today's Topics: 

  Re: aptitude full-upgrade - why does  [ Chris  ]
  Re: Network problem.                  [ Kevin Mark  ]
  Re: Locale won't set                  [ Haines Brown  ]
  how to show all loop devices? losetu  [ Frank  ]
  Re: Network problem.                  [ Jeff D  ]
  Re: xterm won't start on AMD K6 with  [ Paul Scott  ]
  Re: NMI received, likely on the PCI   [ Anthony Campbell  ]
  Re: NMI received, likely on the PCI   [ Anthony Campbell 

Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:42:52 +0200


From: Chris <list.hurschler@gmx.de>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: aptitude full-upgrade - why does it not install Recommended packages?
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On Saturday 01 September 2007 01:44, Florian Kulzer wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 20:24:43 +0200, Chris wrote:
> > On Friday 31 August 2007 18:42, Sven Joachim wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Chris writes:
> > > > sudo aptitude full-upgrade --with-recommends
> > > >
> > > > can anyone tell me why it still reports (for example):
> > > >
> > > > The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
> > > >   libjaxp1.3-java-gcj libxalan2-java-gcj
> > >
> > > The aptitude manual says:
> > >
> > >  -r, --with-recommends
> > >     Treat recommendations as dependencies when installing new packages
> > >
> > > Note the *new* here.  Recommendations for existing packages are _not_
> > > automatically installed, since aptitude presumes that you do not want
> > > that; after all you did not install the recommended packages in
> > > previous installs of your package.
> > >
> > > Of course this can be a problem since the recommendations may change
> > > over time.  This is probably what happened here.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Sven
> >
> > That at least explains the behavior, and makes sense I guess.  But I'd
> > actually like it to really install all "recommends", for all packages I
> > have installed.
>


> In principle you could run
>


> aptitude install '!~i~Rrecommends:~i'
>


> to do this. I am not sure, however, how well "OR" recommendations and
> recommendations of virtual packages will be handled.
>


> It is probably safer to start aptitude in interactive mode and use "l"
> to limit the display to packages matching the same pattern:
>


> !~i~Rrecommends:~i
>


> Then you can press "+" for each of these packages and use undo
> immediately for cases in which the installation would have unwanted side
> effects.


>



Thanks!  I guess I was a bit naive about what would happen 
using --with-reccomends on everything.  I will still use it when installing 
new packages because in the past I have run across the problem of installing 
something and painstakingly having to search for the correct packages to make 
some functionality work.  That doesn't seem to be such a problem anymore, 
either becuase debian has gotten better or I have gottem more experienced.



Also thanks to Mumia for his script, which works nicely.


Do you need help?X

Chris


-- 
C. Hurschler


Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:44:46 -0400
From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Network problem.
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On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:13:16PM +0530, Yazad Khambata wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>    I'm relatively new to Linux... I installed Debian 4.0 on my PC (I also have
> XP and 2000) on my system. Today morning I could finally configure things right
> and could connect to the internet(I'm using a broadband connection - Sify)...
> but then something went wrong with my network slot and there was no network
> detected on any of my OSs, I changed the network cards slot and things work
> fine on Windows XP and 2000; however, despite configuring the network card (I
> entered the static Ip, gateway,netmask, primary and secondry dsn); I can assure
> you that the config is proper; I am unable to even ping the server... when i
> ping i get 90+% loss of packets.
>    Could anyone please advise me? Many thanks to all in advance.
> Regards,
> Yazad Khambata.

also what about '/etc/network/interfaces' and 'dmesg'. You seem to
indicate that you are using a static ip but most services use dhcp or
dynamic addresses.
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Date:  01 Sep 2007 13:37:04 -0400
From: Haines Brown <brownh@hartford-hwp.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: Locale won't set
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Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es> writes:


> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 07:28:10 -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> > I believe I'm getting closer.
> > 
> > I can't reinstall locales because with locales broken, I can't install
> > any packages. Is it possible to do a package installation without its
> > calling locales?
> 
> Did you already try to reconfigure the "locales" package like this:
> 
> LANG=C LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure locales


Unfortunately, that syntax is not supported on my machine. Perhaps I
misunderstood it.


> If the above does not work then you can check if /etc/locale.gen
> contains a line for en_US.UTF-8 and then you can run 
> 
> locale-gen
> 
> directly to create the localization data. (See also the comments in
> /etc/locale.gen.)


That seems to have done it. Thanks for the
clarification. Incidentally, my locale.gen file is not commented for
some reason.

-- 
 
       Haines Brown, KB1GRM

	 
        



Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:43:18 -0600
From: Robert Jerrard <rjerrard@math.concordia.ab.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Cups printing problem
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I have just installed Debian etch from scratch. In attempting to set up
the printing the cups printer section tells me:

"/usr/lib/cups/backend/http failed"

and /var/log/cups/error_log gives:

E [01/Sep/2007:10:22:33 -0600] [Job 1] Destination printer does not
exist!
E [01/Sep/2007:10:22:33 -0600] PID 27798 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/http)
stopped with status 4!
p

when using http://localhost:631/ipp/9100

If I try socket://localhost:9100 cups tells me:

"Network host 'localhost' is busy; will retry in 5 seconds..."

and /var/log/cups/error_log gives:

E [01/Sep/2007:11:40:59 -0600] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized

Any ideas what to try next to get printing to work?

Bob Jerrard



Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:50:39 +0200
From: Frank <josephbeuys@gmx.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: domU fan and thermal error -  blacklist creation for domU need?
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How can I get rid off this messages during a domU boot?
I'm using etch

FATAL: Error inserting fan 
(/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-xen-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.ko): No such
  device
FATAL: Error inserting thermal 
(/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-xen-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko): No
  such device

It is possible to add something like the following in the domU? In the 
dom0 is a blacklist with several entries but not in the domU. So I think 
a have create a blacklist. But it didn't work with the blacklist. The 
error is still there.

/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
blacklist fan
blacklist thermal



Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:04:13 +0200
From: Frank <josephbeuys@gmx.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: how to show all loop devices? losetup -a doesn't work
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I've seen that my domU is only booting if I set "loop max_loop=64" in 
/etc/modules. The default is "max=8" right? I don't use more than 8 loop 
devices. So I want to know where they are. It's not possible to see it 
with losetup -a. The etch losetup doesn't has the -a option.

What does the "max_loop" set realy count, the mounted loop? And how can 
I find out why max_loop=8 is to smal and where are this loops I want to 
know.



Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:08:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff D <fixedored@gmail.com>
To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Network problem.
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On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Yazad Khambata wrote:


> Please find output of the above commands and file:

>
>

> more /etc/network/interfaces

>

> auto lo
> iface lo inet loopback
> # The primary network interface
> allow-hotplug eth0

>

> iface eth0 inet static
> address 10.40.35.35
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network 10.40.35.0
> broadcast 10.40.35.255
> gateway 10.40.35.1
> # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
> dns-nameservers 10.40.35.1
> auto eth0
> iface eth2 inet static
> address 10.40.35.35
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> gateway 10.40.35.1
> ________________________________________________________________________________________________


Hm, this is what I would do, I'd change it to read as so:
auto lo
     iface lo inet loopback
auto eth0
     address 10.40.35.35
     netmask 255.255.255.0
     network 10.40.35.0
     broadcast 10.40.35.255
     gateway 10.40.35.1
dns-nameservers 10.40.35.1


You only need one stanza for your interface and there you have two, which 
may be causing some issues, I'm not sure, but just to be safe.. I'd just 
leave it to one. After that run /etc/init.d/networking and see if you can 
ping properly.  If not send the outpout of  'ifconfig -a' and netstat -rn

hth,
Jeff

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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:28:03 -0700
From: Paul Scott <waterhorse@ultrasw.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: xterm won't start on AMD K6 with stock 2.6.22-1-486 kernel
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Takehiko Abe wrote:

> Paul Scott wrote:

>
>> Here's the end of the strace.  It doesn't tell me anything we don't
>> already know. Maybe someone else will see more:
>

> So what do you already know? For instance, this

>
>>
>> [...]
>> write(2, "xterm Xt error: Can\'t open displ"...,
>> [...]
>

> looks different from the previous pty error. Have you fixed that?

I don't know enough to know why it should have changed with all stock 
updates or enough to fix it at this point.

Thanks,

Paul


Do you need more help?X

Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:51:41 +0100
From: Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: NMI received, likely on the PCI bus
Message-ID: <20070901185141.GA13292@acampbell.org.uk>
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On 01 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

> Hi Anthony,
> 
> The diagnostics are already in the thinkpad's bios.  The manual should
> just tell you how to access it.  Remember, its the service manuals you
> want, not the customer's troubleshooting manual.  You'll know you have
> the right one if somewhere they tell you to change the system board,
> which isn't a usual customer activity :)
> 
> For example, I have a Thinkpad 600E with a dead screen and hard drive
> (lightening strike while I was using it in a tent when the tent got
> hit).  To run the diagnostices on it:
> 
> Press and hold F1 while powering on the computer.
> Click on test to get the basic diagnostics
> Run those tests
> Press Ctrl-A on the basic diagnostics screen to get the Advanced
> 	Diagnostics
> Click on Exit or press Esc to go to the keyboard advanced diags.
> Run those.
> Click on Exit again and you get the full advanced diagnostics menu.
> Select a device or select All Devices.
> 
> That's the same keystrokes (minus the mouse action) as they were on my
> IBM 486, on which I needed a separate Advanced Diags. disk.  I would
> guess that the basic key sequence would be the same on your Thinkpad.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Doug.
> 


This is the manual I got. Unfortunately, i seems that the Z61M only has
a HD diagnostic program. It tells me to download more stuff to test
other things from their download drivers site but I can't see anything
relevant there.

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Campbell - ac@acampbell.org.uk 
Microsoft-free zone - Using Linux Gnu-Debian
http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, 
on-line books and sceptical articles)



Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:38:00 +0200
From: "Rickard Lindberg" <ricli576@student.liu.se>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: USB ports not responding
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Hi,

I have a problem with my USB ports. It seems like I can't use them at all.
Here is what happened:

I am running a laptop (Thinkpad X40) and I wanted to connect more than two
USB-devices at the same time. Since the computer only has got 2 ports I
bought a USB-hub. Everything worked fine except for my portable hard drive.
I tried to connect it to different ports on the hub, and while I was doing
that, the computer reported an error saying that the USB-devices tried to
consume to much power. The computer then hung and after reboot I could no
longer use the USB-ports. I was using Windows XP at the time, but now I have
switched to Debian Etch. I seem to have the same problem under Debian.

I'm not sure if this problem is hardware or software related. Do you think
that my USB-ports might have become physically damaged? Is there any way in
Debian to debug the USB-ports to see what is going on?

I'm not sure if this mailing list is the correct place for this post, but I
don't know where else to ask. If you know anything I would be happy if you
could help or just point me to another location where I can find out some
more.

Thanks.

-- 
Rickard Lindberg
ricli576@student.liu.se
+46 733 464794

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Hi,<br><br>I have a problem with my USB ports. It seems like I can&#39;t use them at all. Here is what happened:<br><br>I am running a laptop (Thinkpad X40) and I wanted to connect more than two USB-devices at the same time. Since the computer only has got 2 ports I bought a USB-hub. Everything worked fine except for my portable hard drive. I tried to connect it to different ports on the hub, and while I was doing that, the computer reported an error saying that the USB-devices tried to consume to much power. The computer then hung and after reboot I could no longer use the USB-ports. I was using Windows XP at the time, but now I have switched to Debian Etch. I seem to have the same problem under Debian.
<br><br>I&#39;m not sure if this problem is hardware or software related. Do you think that my USB-ports might have become physically damaged? Is there any way in Debian to debug the USB-ports to see what is going on?<br>
<br>I&#39;m not sure if this mailing list is the correct place for this post, but I don&#39;t know where else to ask. If you know anything I would be happy if you could help or just point me to another location where I can find out some more.
<br><br>Thanks.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Rickard Lindberg<br><a href="mailto:ricli576@student.liu.se">ricli576@student.liu.se</a><br>+46 733 464794

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:59:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff D <fixedored@gmail.com>
To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: xterm won't start on AMD K6 with stock 2.6.22-1-486 kernel
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On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Paul Scott wrote:


> Takehiko Abe wrote:

>> Paul Scott wrote:
>> 
>>> Here's the end of the strace.  It doesn't tell me anything we don't
>>> already know. Maybe someone else will see more:
>> 
>> So what do you already know? For instance, this
>> 
>>> 
>>> [...]
>>> write(2, "xterm Xt error: Can\'t open displ"...,
>>> [...]
>> 
>> looks different from the previous pty error. Have you fixed that?

> I don't know enough to know why it should have changed with all stock updates 
> or enough to fix it at this point.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Paul

>

write(2, "xterm:  DISPLAY is not set\n", 27xterm:  DISPLAY is not set
) = 27

that could be a problem.. are you doing this from the console or from a 
ssh session?

what does echo $DISPLAY tell you?

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:07:22 +0100
From: Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: NMI received, likely on the PCI bus
Message-ID: <20070901190722.GA13371@acampbell.org.uk>
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On 01 Sep 2007, Anthony Campbell wrote:

> On 01 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > Hi Anthony,
> > 
> > The diagnostics are already in the thinkpad's bios.  The manual should
> > just tell you how to access it.  Remember, its the service manuals you
> > want, not the customer's troubleshooting manual.  You'll know you have
> > the right one if somewhere they tell you to change the system board,
> > which isn't a usual customer activity :)
> > 
> > For example, I have a Thinkpad 600E with a dead screen and hard drive
> > (lightening strike while I was using it in a tent when the tent got
> > hit).  To run the diagnostices on it:
> > 
> > Press and hold F1 while powering on the computer.
> > Click on test to get the basic diagnostics
> > Run those tests
> > Press Ctrl-A on the basic diagnostics screen to get the Advanced
> > 	Diagnostics
> > Click on Exit or press Esc to go to the keyboard advanced diags.
> > Run those.
> > Click on Exit again and you get the full advanced diagnostics menu.
> > Select a device or select All Devices.
> > 
> > That's the same keystrokes (minus the mouse action) as they were on my
> > IBM 486, on which I needed a separate Advanced Diags. disk.  I would
> > guess that the basic key sequence would be the same on your Thinkpad.
> > 
> > Good luck.
> > 
> > Doug.
> > 
> 
> This is the manual I got. Unfortunately, i seems that the Z61M only has
> a HD diagnostic program. It tells me to download more stuff to test
> other things from their download drivers site but I can't see anything
> relevant there.
> 
> Anthony
> 





OK, managed to run the program down to earth (PC Doctor DOS)  so I'll
see if it works for me.

-- 
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Microsoft-free zone - Using Linux Gnu-Debian
http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, 
on-line books and sceptical articles)



Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:25:13 -0600
From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: I LOVE DEBIAN!
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> Rolando Pereira wrote:
> > (And if he had nothing to do, how come my email went to his mailbox
> > directly?)

>=20

> ... because someone sent an email with his forged from-address:


Yes it was forged.  No one was more suprised than myself to see that
message show up on the mailing list!  (Go away for a few days and
everything falls apart.  :-) For the record I did not originate it.
It is strange that someone would take the time to craft an individual
one such as this.

This is not the first time I have been a victim of a "joe-job" but it
has been a while.  I guess it is time to return to sending signed
emails again.  Apologies in advance to those who dislike those but it
is the only way to be sure of the author.


> An apparently legitimate mail contains
> Received: by dementia.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000)


Usually yes since that is my desktop.  But that is not strictly
required and when traveling I may use my laptop.  But regardless of
the machine I used to compose the message upon I will be sending my
email through my site's mail relay hub and the following header would
always appear.

  Received: from joseki.proulx.com (joseki.proulx.com [216.17.153.58])
        by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235FD2DE1F
        for <debian-user@lists.debian.org>; Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:11:05 +0000=
 (UTC)

Presumably we can trust murphy.debian.org sufficiently to believe the
header that it places in the message saying hostname and IP of where
it received the email.  If the header path from there to your mailbox
is continuous and trustworthy then you can believe where the email was
injected into the mailing list based upon that header.  In my case
messages that do not come through my domain are definitely suspect.

I publish SPF records to help curb some types forgeries.  SPF is not
perfect but it does do a good job of defining where legitimate email
=66rom a domain can appear.  (Please, no discussion in this thread about
the merits or lack thereof of SPF.)  The actual record is a little
more complicated than this (I also publish an "exists" test too) but
in simple it looks like this:

  proulx.com "a -all"

Decoding this says that email from the IP address of proulx.com is
okay because it matches the "a" record.  Mail from other IP addresses
can be rejected.  The IP address for proulx.com from DNS will be
updated if this address changes.


> PS: Thanks for spotting this, Florian!


Thanks Florian for spotting this and calling it out!  Also thanks
Johannes for the email header check.  I appreciate you guys looking
out for me!

Bob

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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:13:21 +0000
From: "Michael Fothergill" <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: dumb question about compiz
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Dear Debianists,

I had a look at the compiz web page and some youtube videos showing it in 
action.  I notice there are deb files for it in Etch.

I use AMD64 Etch 4.0 r1.

My machine is an AMD Sempron 3200 box.  I don't have a graphics card yet.

I assume from reading wikipedia pages and so on that I will need a graphics 
card or compiz will struggle to run.....

If this is the case what sort of graphics card would do?

How about an nvidia geforce card?

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:54:05 -0600
From: bob@proulx.com (Bob Proulx)
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Glen Pfeiffer wrote:

> I tried mounting a directory like so:

>=20

>   mount --bind -o umask=3D0117 /home/files /home/glen/files

>=20

> What I am shooting for, is that all files created in=20
> /home/glen/files will have the permissions 660.


But those are the same files as files in another directory, right?
The files can't have different permissions in different places.

Or are you simply trying to make the files when created have a
specific permission?  If so then umask is the only way.


> I have also tried this with no luck:

>=20

>   mount --bind -o fmask=3D0117 /home/files /home/glen/files

>=20

> Then I read the man page:

>=20

>   Note that the filesystem mount options will remain the same  as =20
>   those on  the original mount point, and cannot be changed by=20
>   passing the -o option along with --bind/--rbind.

>=20

> I take that to mean that I cannot change the umask when mounting=20
> with --bind.


Correct.


> Any ideas on how to achieve my goal?


You would have to change the original mount point options in order to
do this.  The directory would need to be on its own filesystem.  You
could create a filesystem specific for this purpose.  Then you could
bind mount it anywhere else fine.

This is a good place for a plug for LVM because then a new mount point
could be created very easily.

Perhaps saying a little more about the overall problem that you are
trying to solve will spark an idea from someone on the mailing list.

Bob

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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:46:13 +0100
From: Adam Hardy <adam.ant@cyberspaceroad.com>
To: ndemou@gmail.com, debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Shut down or leave on?
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ndemou@gmail.com on 29/08/07 16:24, wrote:

> On 8/28/07, Richard Carter <carter.r.a.l@gmail.com> wrote:

>> [...]
>> 3) I thought it was a waste of electricity, and money, to have a machine
>> running that wasn't being used.

> 
> it is but if you find a lot of other reasons to keep it alive then you
> probably want to check ways to minimize power consumption. Automatic
> adjustment of CPU frequency,  automaticaly powering off HDs and
> monitor when not in use, funs wich adjust RPM according to temperature
> etc


My previous server used 100 Watts on average.

If left on 24/7, that's 61,320 hours a year, or 6,132,000 Watt-hours or 6,132 kWh.

According to the stats, every kWh produced in the UK causes 0.5 kg of carbon 
dioxide emissions. So with that machine I caused 3,070 kg of CO2 emissions, or 3 
metric tonnes per year.

To put it in context, the UK produces 7 to 15 metric tonnes of CO2 per person 
per year. In the USA, it's over 15 tonnes.

So with that one PC I produced maybe a third of my carbon footprint.

My new server (uptime 28 days) apparently only consumes 35W - I haven't put the 
meter on it yet. So it's down to a tonne of CO2 a year.

If I divide that between my household of 4 who all use it, then it's probably 
acceptable. Plus of course I should switch to a power supplier that provides 
energy from renewable sources.

Also, if powering down and booting up causes hardware damage, the environmental 
cost of the replacement is a factor - avoiding pollution with the old and energy 
to manufacture the new - although so far on the thread the main opinion seems to 
be that new harddrives don't suffer too much this way and I don't think it was 
conclusive argued that it causes damage to chips and boards.

Regards
Adam

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