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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2312

Today's Topics:

  Re: Thinking about devoting a seriou  [ blues  ]
  Re: package l 2.6.21-2-486 #1 Wed Ju  [ Celejar  ]
  Re: Aptitude behaving strangely       [ Celejar  ]
  Re: System freeze in Lenny            [ Hugo Vanwoerkom  ]
  Re: package system broken by aptitud  [ "Mumia W.."  ]
  Re: Thinking about devoting a seriou  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  ccsm doesn't start                    [ xcsnake@free.fr ]
  Re: Thinking about devoting a seriou  [ "Andrew J. Barr"  ]
  system logs and localtime             [ "Tony Heal"  ]
  RE: system logs and localtime         [ "Tony Heal"  ]

Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:36:03 -0000
From: blues <bluesbravo@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Thinking about devoting a serious part of my life to linux... Message-ID: <1188930963.795050.202270@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

On Sep 4, 6:50 am, "G.W. Haywood" <g...@jubileegroup.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 blues wrote:
>
> > I would really love to become a good sys admin; linux is very
> > interesting to me as a popular alternative to the crap business
> > model of MS.....
>
> Whatever you think about the way it does things, Microsoft is one of
> the most successful companies that the world has ever seen. Business
> world-wide has a truly enormous investment in Microsoft products and
> in the vast majority of business settings you can hardly avoid dealing
> with them.
>
> Your evaluation of a "crap business model" tells me that you know
> nothing about business, and you won't get far with businesses if you
> start by telling them that they invested in crap. In your post you
> mention 'corporate network'; it might not be what you want to do, but
> it will help a lot if you first figure out what businesses do and how
> they do it. Only then will you be more than accidentally useful to a
> business. If you learn well, you might even succeed in one yourself.
> There's a lot more to it than the tools and the products.
>
> > i like the idea of using free software to monitor and protect a
> > network, and I hope to make a career out of it...does anyone have
> > any tips as to what i should concentrate on?
>
> Read, read, read, read, read, read, read, read. Then read some more.
> Learn how to write English properly.
>
> Build your own computers from components. Learn about drivers for the
> various bits of hardware. Learn the differences between BSD and SystemV.
> Learn about packet filtering. Learn about 'bash' and 'vi'. Personally
> I don't use vi unless it's unavoidable, but it's all you'll have on many
> a system, so you need to be able to cope. Learn how to get a bash prompt
> on a Windows box and an Explorer window on a Linux box - both remotely.
> Look at system logs. Play around with SAMBA, CUPS and sharing printers.
> Learn how to use a number of email and Web clients, office productivity
> tools like word processors and spreadsheets. Get to know about viruses
> and all sorts of other malware. Become a security expert.
>
> Read as much as you can, particularly "The C Programming Language", by
> Brian W Kernighan and Dennis M Ritchie, and all the O'Reilly books you
> can get your hands on:http://www.oreilly.com/store/complete.html
>
> Here's a selection from our bookshelf. Even though we have quite a
> few on machine-readable media, and some are available free online, my
> wife and I have two printed copies of several of them. That's great
> because we can read them by candle light if there's a power cut, and
> somehow my tired old eyes find a book much easier than the screen.
>
> "Learning the bash Shell"
> "Learning the vi Editor"
> "Learning GNU Emacs"
> "Essential System Administration"
> "TCP/IP Network Administration"
> "IP Routing"
> "DNS and BIND"
> "Network Troubleshooting Tools"
> "Sendmail"
> "Managing & Using MySQL"
> "Programming Perl"
>
> I've read all these from cover to cover - some twice, that last one
> even three times - and yet still find myself going back to them.
>
> Even thoguh I haven't even mentioned Apache just these few books will
> set you back quite a few ($currency_unit)s, so your friends and family
> need never again wonder what to buy for your birthday. You'll have
> had several more of those before you're anything remotely resembling
> an experienced system administrator. Incidentally I have absolutely
> no affiliation with O'Reilly, and I can't remember the last time that
> my business sold a book. I've found that not all O'Reilly books are
> really _great_ value, but I always learn something useful from them -
> definitely more than enough to cover the cost.
>
> > Is debian a good distro to learn if I want to one day run a
> > corporate network?
>
> No. Most of the Linux/FreeBSD/OSX/Solaris/Whatever products have much
> in common and once you're familiar wiith one you'll be fairly familiar
> with the others, but you'll probably find the differences frustrating.
> Slackware is commonly percieved to be a distribution used by those who
> understand the internals and is probably a good one to learn with, but
> from that point of view there are others, such as Linux From Scratch,
> which might be better. They may need more work. RedHat Enterprise is
> probably the top dog in the serious corporate environment. Debian is
> great if you want the easy life and a lot of packages. But it does
> take control, and it hides a lot of what's going on behind the GUI and
> the automation. Use something that doesn't by default start up a GUI.
> Compile and install everything from the sources, and configure it all
> yourself. This is what the people producing the distributions do, and
> most of them ultimately work with the same sources. Until you're very
> comfortable rolling your own packages from sources, avoid apt, dpkg,
> rpm, swaret, yum and all the other package managers. Google to find
> out what went wrong. Read "How to ask questions the smart way" and
> join a few mailing lists. I don't mean to imply that your post was
> especially badly worded but it could have been, er, more professional.
> If you want to be useful in a corporate setting you will need to work
> on that. And you'll need to look comfortable wearing a suit, even if
> you've cycled in.
>
> Oh, yes. Don't forget to read as much as you can.
>
> --
>
> 73,
> Ged.
>
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I appreciate all of the advice...It was way more than I ever expected, but then again, that is what makes the linux community so unique. As for my questioning of MS, they do suck...and I am an English minor, so don't worry 'bout me and communicating in the business world....I try to make my posts informal and easy to read....ty again for all the input...this is certainly the type of pointers I was looking for....

Do you need help?

Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:10:14 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: package l 2.6.21-2-486 #1 Wed Jul 11 03:17:09 UTC 2007 i686 Lenny printing bug

Message-Id: <20070904151014.4821bc67.celejar@gmail.com>
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:14:05 +1000
Rod Lovett <rodlovett@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Hi what am I doing wrong, how on earth can I send ths bug to debian so
> they will accept and understand and perhaps even act on it?
> 4x rejections with
>
> Your message didn't have a Package: line at the start (in the
> pseudo-header following the real mail header), or didn't have a
> pseudo-header at all. Your message has been filed under junk but
> otherwise ignored.
>
> This makes it much harder for us to categorise and deal with your
> problem report. Please _resubmit_ your report to submit@bugs.debian.org
> and tell us which package the report is on. For help, check out
> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting.

How are you sending the bug? Are you using reportbug?

Celejar

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:13:26 -0400 From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Aptitude behaving strangely Message-Id: <20070904151326.55a8fed1.celejar@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:31:06 -0400 Wayne Topa <linuxone@intergate.com> wrote:
> Celejar(celejar@gmail.com) is reported to have said:
> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:46:15 -0400
> > Wayne Topa <linuxone@intergate.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Celejar(celejar@gmail.com) is reported to have said:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > My aptitude (uptodate Sid) has been behaving rather strangely
> > > > lately. When doing updates, it seems to always hang for long
> > > > periods of time while displaying the line:
> > > >
> > > > 99% [5 Packages 4308]
> > > >
> > > > or similar. No processor, network or HDD usage seems to be
> > > > occurring.
> <--<snip>-->
>
> > > >
> > > Yes. Started yesterday, here. I tried again then morning and it
> > > was still hanging at 12 PM EST when I finally was able to finish
> > > the upgrade.
> > >
> > > Wayne
> >
> > I don't seem to have it quite as bad as you; my updates often do
> > finish (I sometimes kill them and just try again) after mysteriously
> > hanging for a couple of minutes. Today I did a (possibly)
> > successful one and pulled in about 64MB of upgrades.
> >
>
> Did a testing and etch upgrade yesterday and overnight. Both completed
> in about the normal time, for me. Seems the problem (?) has been
> fixed. /* cross fingers */
I had the morning's successful update / upgrade, but just now experienced the strange hang on the 'Packages' line. It did clear up and complete within a couple of minutes, though.
> Wayne
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:25:15 -0500 From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: System freeze in Lenny Message-ID: <fbkbes$1rd$1@sea.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Lennig wrote:
> I'm experiencing a system freeze-up in Lenny. Which package should
> this be reported against?
>
> Some details:
>
> System: Abit AB9Pro motherboard
> CPU: Intel Core Duo E6600
> Memory: 4GB
>
> The system boots normally. With very low load, it can run for several
> hours (e.g., if I just run top). However, when I start to put any
> substantial load on the system it dies.
>
> I tried changing the motherboard, CPU, and memory. This did not solve
> the problem.
>
> Please advise me what package to submit this against and what
> diagnostics to collect.
>
Since when have you had these? Hugo

Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:55:55 -0700 From: Mike Bird <mgb-debian@yosemite.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: LVM Message-Id: <200709041255.55629.mgb-debian@yosemite.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 04 September 2007 10:44, Roland M. Kruggel wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 4. September 2007 17:10 schrieb Yuriy Padlyak:
> > ok, but I don't know how to move ext3 file system or it's content
> > without loosing any file attributes, etc either :)
>
> cp -a /src/* /dest
That misses dot files in the source. Use rsync instead, perhaps with -H and/or -S flags (see man). rsync -a -H -S /src/ /dest/ --Mike Bird

Do you need more help?

Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:51:46 -0500 From: "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> To: Steve Newcomb <srn@coolheads.com> Cc: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: package system broken by aptitude removing cupsys Message-ID: <46DDB752.7000801@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 09/04/2007 12:10 PM, Steve Newcomb wrote:
> I am a long-time Debian user and sysadmin and I'm very frustrated
> these days. There seems no way out of my problem, other than to
> re-install the entire OS from scratch and then simply *not* attempt to
> replace cupsys, which still doesn't work. I have fallen into this
> "now start all over" trap several times over the past year or so. It
> is really bad, and advice would be welcome.
>
> Once again, I've just installed a new OS (this time, lenny, but the
> same problem has occurred repeatedly with etch) using the Sep 2 2007
> daily build of netinst.
>
> I don't know how to prevent cupsys from being installed,
You can prevent cupsys from being installed by creating a file called /etc/apt/preferences. Read "man apt_preferences". Your preferences file might contain this: Package: cupsys Pin: version * Pin-Priority: -1
> so, once
> again, I've hoped that cupsys and all its gnome-trickery would work
> properly. Unfortunately, it still doesn't, at least insofar as my
> microsopic remaining patience with it allows me to determine.
>
What do you mean by gnome-trickery?
> Once again, I've tried to use aptitude to remove cupsys and replace it
> with lprng.
>
> Cupsys once again fails to remove itself, failing on the removal of
> python-qt3 and/or python-sip4.
I can't see how cupsys is dependent upon python-qt3 or python-sip4 in Etch. I don't have Lenny.
> Worse, once this failure occurs,
> aptitude doesn't work any more. Thereafter, all
> installations/de-installations fail with messages that include:
>
> warning: Python C API version mismatch for module time: This Python has API version 1012, module time has version 1013.
> warning: Python C API version mismatch for module _locale: This Python has API version 1012, module _locale has version 1013.
> warning: Python C API version mismatch for module select: This Python has API version 1012, module select has version 1013.
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1394, in ?
> main()
> File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1388, in main
> rv = action.run(global_options)
> File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 879, in run
> pkg.read_version_info()
> File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 544, in read_version_info
> self.version_info = pyversions.parse_versions(self.version_field)
> File "/usr/share/pycentral-data/pyversions.py", line 29, in parse_versions
> import operator
> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/operator.so: undefined symbol: PyInt_FromSsize_t
>
> For months, now, the API mismatch has been the same two version
> numbers: 1013 and 1012.
>
> Many weeks ago, thinking that it was a problem with Python 2.5, I
> wrote to the maintainer of that package. No answer. Anyway, I'm
> not sure that it's his problem.
>
> All advice welcome.
>
I'm CC'ing you because I don't know that you're subscribed. Try to use "dpkg -r" to remove all of the offending packages. How did you get cupsys installed in the first place? It doesn't seem to be required by either the kde or gnome packages, and you don't sound like a big fan of cupsys, so I assume that you didn't install it on purpose. It would probably be useful to post your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of 'dpkg --get-selections' You might be mixing distributions or installing non-Debian packages (e.g. Ubuntu) that mess up your system.

Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:13:39 +0200 From: Davide Mancusi <arekfu@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Two Xorg processes? Message-ID: <46DDBC73.9080404@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Florian Kulzer ha scritto:
>> I have noticed that I have two Xorg processes running
> Did you already try to log out and restart kdm?
Yes. It happens at every boot. I wouldn't bother if I were at least sure that the second Xorg process is not allocating memory separately, but just sharing it with the first one. Davide -- A tautology is a thing which is tautological. -- Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:49:52 -0500 From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Thinking about devoting a serious part of my life to linux... Message-ID: <46DDC4F0.2070107@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/04/07 13:36, blues wrote: [snip]
>
> I appreciate all of the advice...It was way more than I ever expected,
> but then again, that is what makes the linux community so unique. As
> for my questioning of MS, they do suck...
Blatant disregard of reality is a bright, shiny shibboleth that you are a student. Definitely sophomore.
> and I am an English minor, so
> don't worry 'bout me and communicating in the business world....I try
> to make my posts informal and easy to read....ty again for all the
> input...this is certainly the type of pointers I was looking for....
We're not your MySpace IM blow-buddies. Proper usage of grammar in your native language is a sign of intelligence. We value intelligence. Hard to read "informality" pegs you as not-so-bright. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG3cTwS9HxQb37XmcRAi6wAKCc45d4mey0vg99L1YXVdJfjyG3twCeJW7V 4lznE5Q33y8zFK4QjU1+ib4= =MOQJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:37:03 +0200 From: xcsnake@free.fr To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: ccsm doesn't start Message-ID: <1188938223.46ddc1ef535d3@imp.free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, I have a problem with the compiz configuration & settings manager : the "= ccsm" command gives Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/ccsm", line 43, in ? mainWin =3D ccm.MainWin(context) File "debian/compizconfig-settings-manager/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ccm= /Window.py", line 77, in __init__ File "debian/compizconfig-settings-manager/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ccm= /Window.py", line 361, in CatSortCompare KeyError: 'core' Does someone have an idea ?? Thank you Micka=EBl

Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:00:18 -0400 From: "Andrew J. Barr" <andrew.james.barr@gmail.com> To: "Ron Johnson" <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Thinking about devoting a serious part of my life to linux... Message-ID: <903e17bb0709041400u3e7aa338u3a0cf41c415033e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 9/4/07, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
> Proper usage of grammar in your native language is a sign of
> intelligence. We value intelligence.
We also value common courtesy and humility, or at least we should. Don't be a jerk.

Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:15:03 -0500 From: Kent West <westk@acu.edu> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Thinking about devoting a serious part of my life to linux... Message-ID: <46DDCAD7.9070802@acu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron Johnson wrote:
> Blatant disregard of reality is a bright, shiny shibboleth that you
> are a student.
Don't believe I've ever heard the term used that way before. I rather like it. But I suspect few today would know the etymology. But just doing a google, I find it's not an uncommon use of the word. Bummer; that just means I'm less literate than I thought. -- Kent

Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:17:29 -0400 From: "Tony Heal" <theal@pace2020.com> To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: system logs and localtime Message-ID: <011401c7ef39$00b6c1e0$96f1fea9@shipwreck> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0115_01C7EF17.79A521E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01C7EF17.79A521E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a remote server at a client site that had /etc/localtime pointing to Eastern instead of Central. I have fixed this. Is there a way for this to take affect without rebooting the server? Tony Heal ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01C7EF17.79A521E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> <div class=3DSection1> I have a remote server at a client site that had /etc/localtime pointing to Eastern instead of Central. I have fixed = this. Is there a way for this to take affect without rebooting the = server?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Tony Heal<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01C7EF17.79A521E0--

Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:19:50 -0400 From: "Tony Heal" <theal@pace2020.com> To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: RE: system logs and localtime Message-ID: <011c01c7ef39$546bbe30$96f1fea9@shipwreck> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011D_01C7EF17.CD5A1E30" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011D_01C7EF17.CD5A1E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW, this is causing all my logs to report in Eastern time Tony Heal _____ From: Tony Heal [mailto:theal@pace2020.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:17 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: system logs and localtime I have a remote server at a client site that had /etc/localtime pointing to Eastern instead of Central. I have fixed this. Is there a way for this to take affect without rebooting the server? Tony Heal ------=_NextPart_000_011D_01C7EF17.CD5A1E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = name=3D"PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> <div class=3DSection1> BTW, this is causing all my logs to report = in Eastern time<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Tony Heal<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>= </div> <div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in = 0in 4.0pt'> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </div> From: Tony = Heal [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">theal@pace2020.com</st1:PersonName>] = Sent: Tuesday, September = 04, 2007 5:17 PM To: = debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: system logs and = localtime<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> I have a remote server at a client site that had /etc/localtime pointing to Eastern instead of Central. I have fixed = this. Is there a way for this to take affect without rebooting the = server?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Tony Heal<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_011D_01C7EF17.CD5A1E30-- End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2312 ************************************************** Received on Tue Sep 4 17:43:10 2007

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