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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2324

Today's Topics: 

  Re: After Installing ISO Image I can  [ Jochen Schulz  ]
  Re: why sarge is so noisy             [ Julian De Marchi  ]
  Re: why sarge is so noisy             [ Jochen Schulz  ]
  Re: why sarge is so noisy             [ "Ari Constancio"  ]
  Re: why sarge is so noisy             [ Serena Cantor  ]
  Re: How to verify installed files?    [ David  ]
  Re: How to verify installed files?    [ Juha Tuuna  ]
  Re: How to verify installed files?    [ Juha Tuuna  ]
  Re: why sarge is so noisy             [ Ron Johnson  ]
  LSI Logic 1068 controller is support  [ "x x"  ]
  LSI Logic 1068 controller             [ "John Smith"  ]
  Re: why sarge is so noisy             [ Miles Fidelman  ]
  another script query (perl?)          [ Richard Lyons 

Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:46:50 +0200


From: Jochen Schulz <ml@well-adjusted.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: After Installing ISO Image I cant access GUI and Nedd


        "sources.list" file


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Do you need more help?X


Do you need help?X

Mostafijur Rahman:

>=20


>     I tried to install GUI after installing my ISO CD.But I think problem=
 in


>     file /etc/apt/sources.list .



You are messing up a few things. It is always better to describe your
original problem than to ask how to accomplish what you think *might*
solve your problem.



So, instead of saying "I cannot install a GUI, please tell me what to
put in my sources.list" you should better say:



I installed Debian (which version?) on my machine (what kind of
machine?) but I couldn't tell the installer to install some kind of GUI
(which one?). I tried $foo but it resulted in error message $bar.


>     I copy the example file in my /etc/apt/sources.list file
>     
http://wiki.debian.org/sources%2elist_example?highlight=3D%28sources.=


list%29



If you wanted to install pure Debian stable, this is most probably not
what you want. The installer should have asked you about that anyway.
But well, here's what I guess is what you want/need:



deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/   etch   main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security  etch/updates  main contrib =
non-free



After that, run apt-get update (or better: aptitude update) once or
twice and you should be ready to install anything you want.



J.


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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:40:38 +1000


From: Julian De Marchi <julian@jdcomputers.com.au>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: why sarge is so noisy

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Serena Cantor wrote:


> Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start automatically? Do you mean that there's
> nothing I can do about it?



<snip>



Silly question.


Can't find what you're looking for?X

Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 03:43:42 -0400


From: Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: why sarge is so noisy


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On Friday 07 September 2007, Serena Cantor wrote:
> Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start
> automatically? Do you mean that there's nothing I can do about it?



Why not try "ps -ax" or "ps -aux" to get a list of programs running at 
any time?  Then examine the crontab files as well and see what's 
starting at regular intervals.



You're talking about a long list of services in some cases, so it's not 
a case of someone telling you about 3-4 programs.



> My sarge is intended to be server, hopefully, most of server-related
> work I add can be done in memory.



What are you serving that is only done in memory?  If it's a print 
server, that's large files that go to the printer and they're written 
to the hard drive during output.  If you're serving files, of course, 
that uses the drive.  What service are you providing that doesn't need 
to access the drives?



Hal


Don't know where to look next?X

Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:26:17 +0300


From: Juha Tuuna <juha.tuuna@utu.fi>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Unblocking sound card, or adding stream (newbie)
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On Friday, 7. September 2007 06:30, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:

> ...
> If theres no way to do this, bummer i guess. But my
> problem is that sometimes i seem to have something
> blocking the sound card and i cant figure out what it
> is. I dont THINK im running any sound thing ,but then
> if i try to run xmms i get a "something's blocking
> your sound card" message, or if i play a YouTube video
> i just get no sound at all.
>
> When this happens, how do i find out what's blocking
> hte sound card, and how do i kill this so i can play
> what i want?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jen



If you're using ALSA, run 


sudo /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload


But be careful, it'll kill the applications using alsa.


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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:30:13 +0200
From: Jochen Schulz <ml@well-adjusted.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: why sarge is so noisy
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Julian De Marchi:
> Serena Cantor wrote:
>> Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start automatically? D=
o=20
>> you mean that there's
>> nothing I can do about it?

>=20

> <snip>

>=20

> Silly question.

No, it's not a silly question.

Serena, of course you can do something about it. It's linux, afterall.
You can use the commands 'ps' or 'top' to have a look what is currently
running. Then look into /etc/rc2.d/ which contains links to all scripts
that are run at boot. Search the net and read how the init system works
and finally remove any services you don't currently need.

Another thing that came to my mind: if you are using a journaling
filesystem (like ext3 which I think is Debian's default), the journal
will be regularly committed to disk which causes disk spinups every ~5
seconds.

J.
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:11:24 +0100
From: "Ari Constancio" <ari.constancio@gmail.com>
To: "Dan H" <dunno@stoptrick.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: why sarge is so noisy
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> Could be anything. There's a dozen processes runing on that machine at any given time, and any of them may access some files anytime. smbd for instance checks its configuration file every minute or so, and there may be other services that do likewise.
>
> BTW, if this machine is a server, wouldn't you expect it to do some work every now and then? Or if you didn't, why do you keep it on all the time? I can't get my head around people who insist on leaving unused machines powered 24/7.

Hi,

I would ask the same. What is a 'server' doing in a bedroom? Servers
belong to the 'server room' and they are usually noisy (and expected
to do something frequently).

Ari Constancio



Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:35:19 +0200
From: arahjakult <arahjakult@tlen.pl>
To: Ari Constancio <ari.constancio@gmail.com>
Cc: Dan H <dunno@stoptrick.com>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
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Ari Constancio pisze:

> Hi,
> 
> I would ask the same. What is a 'server' doing in a bedroom? Servers
> belong to the 'server room' and they are usually noisy (and expected
> to do something frequently).
> 
> Ari Constancio
> 
> 

OT ?
It's not your problem where the server stands.



Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 02:42:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Serena Cantor <qipaishi2006@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: why sarge is so noisy
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Thanks! "most of server-related work" are very specialized program I wrot=
e myself.

another example: seeding in bittorrent, if memory is big enough and file =
being served is small
enough.


--- Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com> wrote:

> On Friday 07 September 2007, Serena Cantor wrote:
> > Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start
> > automatically? Do you mean that there's nothing I can do about it?

>=20

> Why not try "ps -ax" or "ps -aux" to get a list of programs running at=20
> any time?  Then examine the crontab files as well and see what's=20
> starting at regular intervals.

>=20

> You're talking about a long list of services in some cases, so it's not=
=20
> a case of someone telling you about 3-4 programs.

>=20

> > My sarge is intended to be server, hopefully, most of server-related
> > work I add can be done in memory.

>=20

> What are you serving that is only done in memory?  If it's a print=20
> server, that's large files that go to the printer and they're written=20
> to the hard drive during output.  If you're serving files, of course,=20
> that uses the drive.  What service are you providing that doesn't need=20
> to access the drives?

>=20

> Hal

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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:32:20 +0200
From: Erik Persson <erik-maillist@djingis.se>
To: Debian Mailing List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: How to verify installed files?
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Hello,

I'm trying to figure out how to verify the files installed from a 
package by apt-get, ie I have installed a package A and want to verify 
that the files installed from the package are correct at some later 
time. Thus some process could have changed some of the files after I 
installed them, so the checking that is done at install time is *not* 
what I'm looking for.

A related question. If I want to check that a package (in the archive - 
/var/cache/apt/archives) is correct compared to the same package located 
on a repository. How do I do this in the simplest way. I assume that 
md5sum is correct.

Thanks in advanced,

Erik.


Confused? Frustrated?X

Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:14:22 +0200
From: David <wizzardx@gmail.com>
To: "Serena Cantor" <qipaishi2006@yahoo.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: why sarge is so noisy
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On 9/7/07, Serena Cantor <qipaishi2006@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server)
> The machine is my bedroom and scsi disk make noise from time to time (it's read/writing)
>
> which script cause reading/writing? Let's assume it's default installation. I don't start any
> program myself.
>

First stop cron, and check if you still get the noise. If the noise
stops then check what runs from cron (tail /var/log/syslog). If your
scsi drive makes a noise every minute, on the minute (or on some
interval of time divisible by 60 seconds) then it is probably a cron
script.

Then run pstree and see what's running. Kill the process off one by
one until the noise stops. When the noise stops then the last thing
you killed is your suspect.



Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:17:15 +0200
From: David <wizzardx@gmail.com>
To: "Erik Persson" <erik-maillist@djingis.se>
Cc: "Debian Mailing List" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: How to verify installed files?
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>
> I'm trying to figure out how to verify the files installed from a
> package by apt-get, ie I have installed a package A and want to verify
> that the files installed from the package are correct at some later
> time. Thus some process could have changed some of the files after I
> installed them, so the checking that is done at install time is *not*
> what I'm looking for.

debsums

>
> A related question. If I want to check that a package (in the archive -
> /var/cache/apt/archives) is correct compared to the same package located
> on a repository. How do I do this in the simplest way. I assume that
> md5sum is correct.
>

The simplest way is to download the deb file, then run md5sum against
both the debs and compare the output.



Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:18:34 +0300
From: Juha Tuuna <juha.tuuna@utu.fi>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to verify installed files?
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On Friday, 7. September 2007 13:32, Erik Persson wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to verify the files installed from a
> package by apt-get, ie I have installed a package A and want to verify
> that the files installed from the package are correct at some later
> time. Thus some process could have changed some of the files after I
> installed them, so the checking that is done at install time is *not*
> what I'm looking for.
extract control from the deb-package (into working directory):
% dpkg-deb -e package.deb
You'll get a dir/file named 'DEBIAN/md5sums' which contains (you guessed 
right!) the md5sums of the files in the package.
You can compare the md5sums agains your current files
% cd /
% md5sum -c /path/to/the/DEBIAN/md5sums

> A related question. If I want to check that a package (in the archive -
> /var/cache/apt/archives) is correct compared to the same package located
> on a repository. How do I do this in the simplest way. I assume that
> md5sum is correct.
>
> Thanks in advanced,
>
> Erik.
I don't know if this is the easiest but it works for me:
% md5sum package.deb
% apt-cache show package | grep -i md5sum
The apt-cache show will list many entries if you have multiple versions 
available for installation (like stable/testing/unstable)

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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:24:17 +0300
From: Juha Tuuna <juha.tuuna@utu.fi>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to verify installed files?
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On Friday, 7. September 2007 14:17, David wrote:
> debsums
This is a nice piece of software. Thank you for the tip!

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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:06:20 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: why sarge is so noisy
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On 09/07/07 01:45, Serena Cantor wrote:
> I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) The machine is

Sarge?  Isn't that slightly Jurassic?

> my bedroom and scsi disk make noise from time to time (it's
> read/writing)

SCSI disks, especially old ones, *are* noisy.

> which script cause reading/writing? Let's assume it's default
> installation. I don't start any program myself.

Why should we assume that?  What does "default installation" mean?
A *base* install is pretty useless.

- --
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Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:20:54 +0200
From: "x x" <linuxuser0167@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: LSI Logic 1068 controller is supported in the debian linux?
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Hi,

LSI Logic 1068 controller is supported in the debian linux?

Thanks

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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:28:20 +0200
From: "John Smith" <linuxuser0167@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: LSI Logic 1068 controller
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Hi,

LSI Logic 1068 controller is supported in the debian linux?

Thanks

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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:13:45 -0400
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: [OT] Re: why sarge is so noisy
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Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 09/07/07 01:45, Serena Cantor wrote:
>   
>> I have sarge, I use it all the time (it's server) The machine is
>>     
>
> Sarge?  Isn't that slightly Jurassic?
>   
I don't know, I'm still running it on a couple of production servers.  I 
figure anything less than a year old (i.e., Etch) isn't stable enough 
for production - particularly given that a variety of the programs I run 
haven't been updated to Etch yet (though I haven't looked really recently).

Miles


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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:29:06 -0400
From: Ralph Katz <ralph.katz@rcn.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Unblocking sound card, or adding stream (newbie)
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On 09/06/2007 11:30 PM, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
> I have a laptop with a sound card that only supports a
> single stream. (People on #debian helped me figure
> this out.) This is annoying not because i want to play
> twelve different sypmhonies at once through high-def
> systems, but just so i can listen to music while
> getting beeps from Gaim, or whatever.
> 
> If theres no way to do this, bummer i guess. But my
> problem is that sometimes i seem to have something
> blocking the sound card and i cant figure out what it
> is. I dont THINK im running any sound thing ,but then
> if i try to run xmms i get a "something's blocking
> your sound card" message, or if i play a YouTube video
> i just get no sound at all.
> 
> When this happens, how do i find out what's blocking
> hte sound card, and how do i kill this so i can play
> what i want?

Hi -- Are you running etch?  I had this issue and posted my solution to
the list on 21 Apr 2007, Subject: SOLVED Re: Sound mixing: Help
configure dmix for flash, xmms, totem or make default.

Maybe that message in the archives could help.

Let us know.

Ralph



Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:14:58 -0400
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: why sarge is so noisy
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Serena Cantor wrote:
> Thanks! Could you give me a list of programs that start automatically? Do you mean that there's
> nothing I can do about it?
>
> My sarge is intended to be server, hopefully, most of server-related work I add can be done in
> memory.
>   
Do you run a mail server on it?  Send/receive much traffic?

Miles



Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:19:17 -0700
From: tabris <tabris@tabris.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: another script query (perl?)
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Richard Lyons wrote:
> Hi, all you script wizards.
>
> I thought this would be easy, but I haven't found anything to crib
> from...
>
> I need a script to read a text file (actually tex) and parse lines of a=

> table that may or may not span newline characters in the file.
> Basically, there are lines of the form
>
>    {some text} & {some more text} & {text c} & {text d} \\
>
> where the braces are only for clarity and do not occur in the files, an=
d
> where the bits of text may include whitespace which may include newline=

> characters. There may also be escaped ampersands in the text ('\&'), an=
d
> the text fragments may be empty.
>
> I suspect perl may be the way forward.  I need to be able to read each
> file, parse each set of three ampersands with a double backslash
> breaking it into four substrings, manipulate the substrings and write
> the file anew.  A typical manipulation will be to take text c and copy
> it to text d. I shall also try to strip leading and trailing whitespace=

> to tidy up the file.
>
> Any and all pointers will be gratefully received!
>
>  =20
please give real examples the text you have, as well as more info about
what processing you will do with it.
There are multiple ways to approach this, we need to have more
information first.


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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:04:50 +0100
From: Richard Lyons <richard@the-place.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: another script query (perl?)
Message-ID: <20070907140449.GL12519@the-place.net>
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Hi, all you script wizards.

I thought this would be easy, but I haven't found anything to crib
from...

I need a script to read a text file (actually tex) and parse lines of a
table that may or may not span newline characters in the file.
Basically, there are lines of the form

   {some text} & {some more text} & {text c} & {text d} \\

where the braces are only for clarity and do not occur in the files, and
where the bits of text may include whitespace which may include newline
characters. There may also be escaped ampersands in the text ('\&'), and
the text fragments may be empty.

I suspect perl may be the way forward.  I need to be able to read each
file, parse each set of three ampersands with a double backslash
breaking it into four substrings, manipulate the substrings and write
the file anew.  A typical manipulation will be to take text c and copy
it to text d. I shall also try to strip leading and trailing whitespace
to tidy up the file.

Any and all pointers will be gratefully received!

-- 
richard

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