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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2358

Today's Topics: 

  Re: dual purpose USB-key              [ "Mirco Piccin"  ]
  Re: HAL Problem - nautilus does not   [ Bernd Aufrecht  ]
  FROG - Put the Internet in your Pock  [ "FROG"  ]
  Re: debian oriented laptot suggestio  [ Wayne Topa  ]
  Re: debian oriented laptot suggestio  [ Donald Davis 
  Re: debian oriented laptot suggestio  [ "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_C=E9sar_de_ ]
  Re: HAL Problem - nautilus does not   [ Donald Davis <donald_g_davis@yahoo. ]



Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:33:37 +0200


From: "Mirco Piccin" <pictux@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: dual purpose USB-key


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Hi!


Do you need help?X
> In your experiment, you installed multiple distros. But I assume that
> the installation routine is quite different from the installer unless
> the debian installer is kind of a live system that could be added to
> grub menu.

well, i use geexbox live-cd, using "hd-install" (or "install-hd", i don't
remember well :-)) choosing the usb-key drive as HD on which install it.
Then, to add the many distros, i use live cds (dsl, slack & systemrescuecd).



For example, damn small linux live cd use syslinux to boot.
So, i look at kernel and initrd listed in it's /boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg
(the syslinux configuration file in the live cdrom, in this case from the
old version i used):



DEFAULT linux24


APPEND ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off vga=791
initrd=minirt24.gz nomce noapic quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
TIMEOUT 300


..and modify grub menu.lst (the grub installed by geexbox, in the usb-key
drive) in this way:


....


title DamnSmallLinux (GNU/Debian based)


root    (hd0,0)


kernel /dsl/linux24 ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=it apm=power-off
vga=791


initrd /dsl/minirt24.gz  nomce noapic quiet frugal restore=sda1
BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix


boot


.....



So i "convert" syslinux boot string into a grub stanza.
I don't install DSL in any way, i boot that in LIVE mode from usb-key drive.



And so on for the other distributions.


So i think that there's no problem with the debian net-install (for example:
looking at debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso) - there's a folder called
"isolinux" with file "isolinux.cfg":


...


LABEL install

        kernel /install.386/vmlinuz
        append vga=normal initrd=/install.386/initrd.gz --
LABEL linux
        kernel /install.386/vmlinuz
        append vga=normal initrd=/install.386/initrd.gz --
LABEL installgui
        kernel /install.386/vmlinuz
        append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788


initrd=/install.386/gtk/initrd.gz --



LABEL expert

        kernel /install.386/vmlinuz
        append priority=low vga=normal initrd=/install.386/initrd.gz --
LABEL expertgui
        kernel /install.386/vmlinuz
        append priority=low video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788


initrd=/install.386/gtk/initrd.gz --


...


where you can find out the kernel, the initrd and many boot options.
You had to copy all the contents of the live cd (excluded autorun.*,
readme.* etc etc, if you want) and edit grub menu.lst.



Instead of grub you can use syslinux (i don't remember why i choose to use
grub, at the end).


But the way is about the same: you must put in one file (grub way:
menu.lstor syslinux way:


syslinux.cfg ) the boot string for all the kernel you have in the usb-key
drive.


Do you need more help?X

Hope it helps you a little more...



Bye!



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Hi!<br><br>&gt; In your experiment, you installed multiple distros. But I assume that<br>&gt; the installation routine is quite different from the installer unless<br>&gt; the debian installer is kind of a live system that could be added to


> grub menu.

 
well, i use geexbox live-cd, using "hd-install" (or "install-hd", i don't remember well :-)) choosing the usb-key drive as HD on which install it.
Then, to add the many distros, i use live cds (dsl, slack & systemrescuecd).


For example, damn small linux live cd use syslinux to boot.
So, i look at kernel and initrd listed in it's /boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg (the syslinux configuration file in the live cdrom, in this case from the old version i used):


DEFAULT linux24
APPEND ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off vga=791 initrd=minirt24.gz nomce noapic quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
TIMEOUT 300

..and modify grub menu.lst (the grub installed by geexbox, in the usb-key drive) in this way:

Can we help you?X


....
title DamnSmallLinux (GNU/Debian based)
root    (hd0,0)
kernel /dsl/linux24 ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=it apm=power-off vga=791
initrd /dsl/minirt24.gz  nomce noapic quiet frugal restore=sda1 BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix

boot
.....

So i "convert" syslinux boot string into a grub stanza.
I don't install DSL in any way, i boot that in LIVE mode from usb-key drive.

And so on for the other distributions.



So i think that there&#39;s no problem with the debian net-install (for example: looking at debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso) - there&#39;s a folder called &quot;isolinux&quot; with file &quot;isolinux.cfg&quot;:<br>...<br>LABEL install
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; kernel /install.386/vmlinuz<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; append vga=normal initrd=/install.386/initrd.gz -- <br>LABEL linux<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; kernel /install.386/vmlinuz<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; append vga=normal initrd=/install.386/initrd.gz -- <br>
LABEL installgui<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; kernel /install.386/vmlinuz<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 initrd=/install.386/gtk/initrd.gz -- <br><br>LABEL expert<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; kernel /install.386/vmlinuz<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; append priority=low vga=normal initrd=/install.386/initrd.gz -- 


LABEL expertgui
        kernel /install.386/vmlinuz
        append priority=low video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 initrd=/install.386/gtk/initrd.gz --
...
where you can find out the kernel, the initrd and many boot options.

You had to copy all the contents of the live cd (excluded autorun.*, readme.* etc etc, if you want) and edit grub menu.lst.

Instead of grub you can use syslinux (i don't remember why i choose to use grub, at the end).

But the way is about the same: you must put in one file (grub way: menu.lst or syslinux way: syslinux.cfg ) the boot string for all the kernel you have in the usb-key drive.

Hope it helps you a little more...


Bye!

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:04:47 +0200
From: Bernd Aufrecht <bernd.aufrecht@gmx.de> To: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: HAL Problem - nautilus does not display Devices/Partitions correctly 

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Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> That's not a bug. HAL resp. gnome-vfs shows all partitions available.
> /etc/fstab is not the canonical source for the partition information.
>

Can't find what you're looking for?X

Hi Michael,

thx. I did not know that. Curiously i cannot mount any Removable DVD/CD if i don't restart dbus.

The Icon displays the Modell of the Drive but if i insert any media nothing happens. Even if i click on the Drive.

Pioneer_DVD-ROM_ATAPIModel_DVD-105S_012

When i rightclick on the Drive under Settings > Drive there are some Options like mountpoint, Filesystem, Mountoptions.

My external USB-Harddrive works just fine without restarting dbus.

Is the solution to remove the drive from the fstab or must i set some other setting that i am not aware of?

Bernd

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:25:23 -0500
From: cothrige <cothrige@bellsouth.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Where, Doom3 For Linux Download 

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Confused? Frustrated?X

Dave Thayer <debian0725321.dmthayer@recursor.net> writes:

> On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 05:09:27PM -0400, Orestes Leal wrote:
>> Hi Folks, I need a 'direct' download (with suport for resume) for downlo= ad 

>> de Linux version of doom3, I have the original 3 CDs so the only thing
>> that I need it=B4s the .run? or whatever for linux, any help will be
>> thankfully appreciated,
>

> Have a look at the official "DOOM III GNU/Linux FAQ"
> <http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/> It contains the link
> you're looking for as well as a bittorrent tracker link. Of course,
> you'll want to read the other information there too...
>

I had a heck of a time finding a working link a while back for quake2, and in the end had to go with the loki installer from http://www.liflg.org/. I really don't know what makes it a different way than others, or if it does at all, but the link was there, it worked, and admittedly the install was easy. I think they have doom3 there so it may be worth looking into as well.

Patrick

Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:46:16 -0700
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:01:27 -0400
From: Wayne Topa <linuxone@intergate.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: debian oriented laptot suggestions 

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Raffaele Morelli(raffaele.morelli@gmail.com) is reported to have said:
> Hi you all,
>
> I am going to buy a laptop and install debian on it, so I would like to
> receive some feedback/suggestions from the list in this sense.
>
> thanx in advance

  1. IBM Thinkpad
  2. Lenovo Thinkpad

WT 

-- 
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a test load.
_______________________________________________________

Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:50:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Donald Davis <donald_g_davis@yahoo.co.uk> To: Raffaele Morelli <raffaele.morelli@gmail.com> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: debian oriented laptot suggestions Message-ID: <340461.40157.qm@web26002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-447628655-1189525815=:40157" --0-447628655-1189525815=:40157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My first question would be:=0AHave you looked at any of the suppliers who s= ell with Debian preinstalled?=0A=0AI would definitely get a laptop/ noteboo= k with an Nvidia graphics card. Nvidia support is excellent. ATI support = (even with proprietary drivers) is not so great.=0A=0ALook at the internal = wireless card. It's possible to get a broadcom card working but they don't= work well. I've seen laptops with builtin Atheros chipset cards. Atheros= , Orinoco, and Prism cards are great. However, I personally prefer wireles= s pcmcia cards with external antenna connectors su as Ubiquity.=0A=0A=0A = ________________________________________________________=0ANervous about= who has your email address? Yahoo! Mail can help you win the war against s= pam.=0Ahttp://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/addressguard2.html --0-447628655-1189525815=:40157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></he= ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;= font-size:12pt"><DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman= , new york, times, serif">My first question would be:</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D= "FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Hav= e you looked at any of the suppliers who sell with Debian preinstalled?</DI= V>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york,= times, serif">&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: t= imes new roman, new york, times, serif">I would definitely get a laptop/ no= tebook with an Nvidia graphics card.&nbsp; Nvidia support is excellent.&nbs= p; ATI support (even with proprietary drivers) is not so great.</DIV>=0A<DI= V style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, = serif">&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new= roman, new york, times, serif">Look at the internal wireless card.&nbsp; I= t's possible to get a broadcom card working but they don't work well.&nbsp;= I've seen laptops with builtin Atheros chipset cards.&nbsp; Atheros, Orino= co, and Prism cards are great.&nbsp; However, I personally prefer wireless = pcmcia cards with external antenna connectors su as Ubiquity.&nbsp; <BR><BR= ></DIV></div><br>=0A Inbox cluttering up with junk? Clean up with <a h= ref=3D"http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/gmail/clean_up/*http://us.rd.= yahoo.com/evt=3D48525/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/isp_targeting.html">Ya= hoo! Mail</a>.</body></html> --0-447628655-1189525815=:40157--

Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:34:57 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_C=E9sar_de_S=E1?=" <megatronpt@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: debian oriented laptot suggestions Message-ID: <9f0508c40709110834h2d9fef0fk9ffae56d91dc7456@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20189_5903334.1189524897459" ------=_Part_20189_5903334.1189524897459 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Get a Toshiba / Asus.. :P On 11/09/2007, Wayne Topa <linuxone@intergate.com> wrote: >
> Raffaele Morelli(raffaele.morelli@gmail.com) is reported to have said:
> > Hi you all,
> >
> > I am going to buy a laptop and install debian on it, so I would like to
> > receive some feedback/suggestions from the list in this sense.
> >
> > thanx in advance
>
> 1. IBM Thinkpad
> 2. Lenovo Thinkpad
>
> WT
>
> --
> To the systems programmer, users and applications serve only to provide
> a test load.
> _______________________________________________________
> >
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:56:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Donald Davis <donald_g_davis@yahoo.co.uk> To: Bernd Aufrecht <bernd.aufrecht@gmx.de> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: HAL Problem - nautilus does not display Devices/Partitions correctly Message-ID: <239653.26950.qm@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2048105219-1189526210=:26950" --0-2048105219-1189526210=:26950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >thx. I did not know that. Curiously i cannot mount any Removable DVD/CD=0A= >if i don't restart dbus.=0A=0AThis is similar but different to a problem I= have with my dvd player. If I start the computer with a dvd or cd in the = drive it reports the burn speeds accurately. However, if not or if nothing= is in the drive for a while ( a couple cron cycles I gues) it forgets the = appropriate burn speeds and only offers 32x. restarting Nautilus and resta= rting the Nautilus cd manager don't seem to help much. =0A=0AYou've given m= e the idea to try retarting dbus.=0A=0A=0A ___________________________= ________________________________ =0AWant ideas for reducing your carbon foo= tprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/envir= onment.html --0-2048105219-1189526210=:26950 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></he= ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;= font-size:12pt"><DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman= , new york, times, serif">=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: ti= mes new roman, new york, times, serif">=0A<DIV><BR>&gt;thx. I did not know = that. Curiously i cannot mount any Removable DVD/CD<BR>&gt;if i don't resta= rt dbus.<BR></DIV>=0A<DIV>This is similar but different to a problem I have= with my dvd player.&nbsp; If I start the computer with a dvd or cd in the = drive it reports the burn speeds accurately.&nbsp; However, if not or if no= thing is in the drive for a while ( a couple cron cycles I gues) it forgets= the appropriate burn speeds and only offers 32x.&nbsp; restarting Nautilus= and restarting the Nautilus cd manager don't seem to help much. </DIV>=0A<= DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>You've given me the idea to try retarting dbus.&nbs= p; </DIV></DIV></DIV></div><br>=0A <hr size=3D1> =0AYahoo! Answers - G= et better answers from someone who knows. <a=0Ahref=3D"http://uk.answers.ya= hoo.com/;_ylc=3DX3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2x= pbmU">Try=0Ait now</a>.</body></html> --0-2048105219-1189526210=:26950-- End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2358 ************************************************** Received on Tue Sep 11 12:15:12 2007

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