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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2476

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Who is altering my hostname?      [ "Douglas A. Tutty"  ]
  Re: wireless keyboard encryption      [ Celejar  ]
  Re: Who is altering my hostname?      [ Florian Lindner  ]
  Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was  [ Johannes Wiedersich  ]
  Re: Openoffice file takes a long tim  [ Ralph Katz  ]
  Re: Who is altering my hostname?      [ Florian Lindner  ]
  ASCII Formatter Whose Name I've Forg  [ Martin McCormick 
  Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was  [ Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org> ]
  Re: ASCII Formatter Whose Name I've   [ Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> ]



Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:33:03 -0400


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Who is altering my hostname?

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On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:35:44PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:

> On 2007-09-26 00:04:26 +0200, Florian Lindner wrote:
> > What could this make happen? In /etc/init.d/ there is nothing like a dhcp 
> > client. I have also removed some packages with dhcp in their names.
> > 
> > Any idea what makes these two files changing and how to avoid it?
> 
> It seems to be a dhcp client (but I don't know why). Have you checked
> that pump isn't installed?
> 
> Or perhaps resolvconf does this if it is installed (on one of my
> machines, it got installed automatically and modified some files,
> which was annoying as I use netenv).
> 
> Also, you should look at the mtime of the modified files and look
> at your log files if something special occurred at this time (or
> a few seconds earlier).

Have you checked the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d and if-pre-up.d?



Doug.


Do you need help?X

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:53:54 -0400


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: wireless keyboard encryption

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On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 01:27:06AM -0400, Celejar wrote:

> [catching up on a d-u backlog]
> 
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:23:07 -0600
> Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > I think you'll find that even "good" wireless keyboards won't easily  
> > penetrate more than a single wall of your home, and won't extend very  
> > far past an exterior wall in most setups, if at all.  I can't even  
> > put the receiver under the 1 1/2" thick wooden desk on top of the  
> > computer without some glitches -- these devices use VERY low RF  
> > output... at least the ones I own.
> 
> Doesn't penetration vary *inversely* with the frequency?

Yes but this is a non-sequeter.  VERY low RF output implies power not
frequency.  To be concise: penetration will  vary directly with power
and inversely with frequency.   We won't get into antennal _length_ :)



Doug.



Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:57:14 -0500


From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: How do I know debian has detected all my hardware?

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Do you need more help?X

On 09/26/07 08:37, robin putters wrote:

> On 9/26/07, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
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>> On 09/25/07 18:44, Kevin Mark wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 02:29:45AM -0700, Amit Uttamchandani
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> I recently installed etch on this old laptop and have no

Can we help you?X

>>>> problems with it whatsoever. I had no hardware issues or
>>>> anything. It "seemed" like all the hardware was automatically
>>>> detected. Now the question is, how do I know for sure? I know I
>>>> could use lspci or something like that. But what do you guys
>>>> suggest? I mean is there a "System Profiler" / "Device Manager"
>>>> under linux?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>> In Gnome, look at: 'System' menu->preferences->Hardware info
>> Really?  I don't see it.
>>


> 
> I guess he means hal-device manager
> 
> ~$ sudo apt-get install hal-device-manager
> ~$ hal-device-manager
> 
> should do it :).

Ah, ok.  I've already got that installed.



System->Administration->"Device Manager"



  •   --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA




Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!


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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:57:57 -0400


From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: wireless keyboard encryption

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:53:54 -0400


"Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:


Can't find what you're looking for?X
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 01:27:06AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > [catching up on a d-u backlog]
> > 
> > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:23:07 -0600
> > Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com> wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > > I think you'll find that even "good" wireless keyboards won't easily  
> > > penetrate more than a single wall of your home, and won't extend very  
> > > far past an exterior wall in most setups, if at all.  I can't even  
> > > put the receiver under the 1 1/2" thick wooden desk on top of the  
> > > computer without some glitches -- these devices use VERY low RF  
> > > output... at least the ones I own.
> > 
> > Doesn't penetration vary *inversely* with the frequency?
> 
> Yes but this is a non-sequeter.  VERY low RF output implies power not
> frequency.  To be concise: penetration will  vary directly with power
> and inversely with frequency.   We won't get into antennal _length_ :)
> 
> Doug.

I misunderstood the OP's syntax;  I thought 'VERY low' modified
'radio frequency' rather than '[power] output'.



Celejar

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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:09:02 +0200
From: Florian Lindner <mailinglists@xgm.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
Subject: Re: Who is altering my hostname?
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Am Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 schrieb Douglas A. Tutty:

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:35:44PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2007-09-26 00:04:26 +0200, Florian Lindner wrote:
> > > What could this make happen? In /etc/init.d/ there is nothing like a
> > > dhcp client. I have also removed some packages with dhcp in their
> > > names.
> > >
> > > Any idea what makes these two files changing and how to avoid it?
> >
> > It seems to be a dhcp client (but I don't know why). Have you checked
> > that pump isn't installed?
> >
> > Or perhaps resolvconf does this if it is installed (on one of my
> > machines, it got installed automatically and modified some files,
> > which was annoying as I use netenv).
> >
> > Also, you should look at the mtime of the modified files and look
> > at your log files if something special occurred at this time (or
> > a few seconds earlier).

>

> Have you checked the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d and if-pre-up.d?


if-up.d contains only mountntf and if-down.d is empty?

Is is possible that this change of hostnames is somehow enfored by the 
virtualization? (Virtuozzo)

Regards,

Florian



Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:11:09 -0400
From: Neil Watson <debian@watson-wilson.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Please approach this subject in a more subjective manner.  I was
suggesting that until you gain experience with both manners of
document creation you can hardly form an accurate conclusion as to what
best suits your needs.

-- 
Neil Watson             | Debian Linux
System Administrator    | Uptime 11 days
http://watson-wilson.ca

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:16:06 +0200
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Steve Lamb wrote:

>     The ultimate irony is that the end result of all this evangelical blather
> for LaTeX has resulted in people suggesting extremely convoluted methods of
> achieving a simple requirement in OOo.  Convert LaTeX to HTML and then from
> HTML to Word!  That is reasonable?!  


Yes. Reasonable, simple, efficient.

(Unfortunately the way from word to LaTeX is not nearly that efficient
if not impossible.)

Note, that you said that you don't know yet, if you need .doc at all,
since the manuscript is not finished and you don't know for sure that
.doc is a requirement for the publishers you will be sending your
manuscript to.


>                                     The most amusing part is that people have
> suggested using a WYSIWYG editor for LaTeX... and use LaTeX because the
> WYSIWYG editor called OOo is bad because it is WYSIWYG.  A-wha!?


No. The reason for suggesting WYSIWYG editors was that you said you are
not comfortable with other editors. The rationale behind it is that
those editors will store your files in LaTeX-format, which is plain text
and *extremely* suitable for version control -- opposed to OOo.

Johannes

NB: Why don't *I* like to write texts in WYSIWYG?

- - the fonts I use for the editor are optimized for (my) readability on
my screen at my resolution; the fonts I use for the printout are
optimized for the printout

- - the printed text is black and white; the computer screen is colour. My
editor shows colour highlighting on screen, but will produce b/w output.

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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:18:08 -0700
From: Kevin Sulonen <kevins@pcf.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Who is altering my hostname?
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Vincent Lefevre wrote:

> On 2007-09-26 00:04:26 +0200, Florian Lindner wrote:
>   

>> What could this make happen? In /etc/init.d/ there is nothing like a dhcp 
>> client. I have also removed some packages with dhcp in their names.
>>
>> Any idea what makes these two files changing and how to avoid it?
>>     
>

> It seems to be a dhcp client (but I don't know why). Have you checked
> that pump isn't installed?

>

> Or perhaps resolvconf does this if it is installed (on one of my
> machines, it got installed automatically and modified some files,
> which was annoying as I use netenv).

>

> Also, you should look at the mtime of the modified files and look
> at your log files if something special occurred at this time (or
> a few seconds earlier).
>   

Hi:

Please forgive me if this has already been suggested, but I encountered 
a similar problem running Lenny. Try getting rid of networkmanager. I 
actually wound up purging this utility. There are probably more elegant 
ways to make it behave, but I felt foolish enough after I discovered 
what was causing the problem that I found the exercise distinctly 
satisfying.

Hope that helps,
Kevin


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Vincent Lefevre wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:%3C20070926103544.GO25775@prunille.vinc17.org%3E"
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  <pre wrap="">On 2007-09-26 00:04:26 +0200, Florian Lindner wrote:
  </pre>
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    <pre wrap="">What could this make happen? In /etc/init.d/ there is nothing like a dhcp 
client. I have also removed some packages with dhcp in their names.

Any idea what makes these two files changing and how to avoid it?
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->
It seems to be a dhcp client (but I don't know why). Have you checked
that pump isn't installed?

Or perhaps resolvconf does this if it is installed (on one of my
machines, it got installed automatically and modified some files,
which was annoying as I use netenv).

Also, you should look at the mtime of the modified files and look
at your log files if something special occurred at this time (or
a few seconds earlier).
  </pre>
</blockquote>
H<tt>i:<br>
<br>
Please forgive me if this has already been suggested, but I encountered
a similar problem running Lenny. Try getting rid of networkmanager. I
actually wound up purging this utility. There are probably more elegant
ways to make it behave, but I felt foolish enough after I discovered
what was causing the problem that I found the exercise distinctly
satisfying.<br>
<br>
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Kevin<br>
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:29:50 +0200
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Steve Lamb wrote:

> Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

>> I hope I didn't state that you are wrong, that's not my intention.

> 
>     By refuting my personal opinion so emphatically even if you haven't said
> the word the sentiment is clear.
> 

>> - From my personal experience LaTeX *is the tool* when it comes to

> 
>     You personal experience is not *MY* personal experience.


True. But my personal experience includes quite a bit of work with word,
OOo *and* LaTeX.

[snip]

>     But does not fit the requirement of easily converted to an acceptable
> format or being able to work visually with it.  No, I am not counting LyX and
> the like because to suggest a WYSIWYG editor for LaTeX who's stringent
> proponents eschew WYSIWYG is to put oneself right back at the same level as
> any other tool.


LaTeX, especially without formulas or too complicated formatting, is
easily converted to many different acceptable formats: HTML, pdf, plain
text, etc. The route via HTML to OOo and .doc is straightforward for the
situation you describe.

[snip]


>     Yeah, EMACS, not working for me.  And as for "one less than OOo's CNTL-I"
> that depends, do you cound a chord as one keystroke or two?  Most people don't
> count the chord for capitalization as two keystrokes.  Is FIVE 8 keystrokes, 5
> keystrokes or 4 keystrokes?  Chording is a part of typing, as any EMACS user
> is well aware.  :P


I didn't want to do hair splitting. I just used the example to convince
you that you don't require to type '\textit{}' all the times you need
italics.

texmacs is not emacs! See www.texmacs.org.

Johannes

PS: Your other remarks have already been answered in another post on
this thread.
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Don't know where to look next?X

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:57:32 +0200
From: Jochen Schulz <ml@well-adjusted.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: It's 3am and I have no caffeine
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Chuck Payne:
>=20

> Now I am trying to get count to work with zgrep. When I do zgrep -c, I ge=

t=20

> a what I am looking for and not a count. Anyway try to play with it to=20
> figure before I crash.


You may have to resort to this:

gunzip -c foo_file.gz | grep -c bar_pattern

J.
--=20
When I get home from the supermarket I don't know what to do with all the
plastic.
[Agree]   [Disagree]
                 <http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html>

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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:57:48 -0400
From: Ralph Katz <ralph.katz@rcn.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Openoffice file takes a long time to open
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On 09/26/2007 09:21 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 09/26/07 05:15, John O Laoi wrote:

>> Hello,
>> I am running Etch on a Dell Precision laptop.
>>  I have one openoffice file, say XYZ.odt, which takes a long time to open
>> (maybe 25 minutes).
>> While it is opening, Openoffice is stalled.

> 
> No surprise there.
> 

>> It is not big. ls-l  reports its size as 18,000.
>> I have many much bigger files which open immediately.

> 
> Maybe it's *highly* compressed and most of the time is spent in
> zlib.  I've seen examples of corner cases that take forever to open.
> 

>> I copied the file to SUSE linux that I have on a desktop, and the file
>> opened quickly.

> 
> You neglect to mention the specs of the 2 machines.  Maybe the
> desktop is 10x faster?
> 

>> I tried changing its name.
>> I tried copying its contents to a new file.
>> I made a copy of the file (using cp).
>> I had some URLs in the file, which I changed to text (removed the blue and
>> underline)
>> I ran fsck on the filesystem on which it resides, and it reported no bad
>> blocks.

> 

>> Any ideas where I look?

> 
> Run top in an xterm.  See if OOo is sucking a lot of CPU.


Also check your disk i/o for swapping.  I recently worked on a 4.8kb OOo
document that sucked in 8 images of 1.1Mb/each.  It was a simple letter
sized page with embedded images.  Working on that doc brought the old
500Mhz PIII to a crawl under etch, but it loaded and rendered in a
minute or 2, not 25 mins!

Also, check whether any other unusual objects are embedded or called
somehow.  Perhaps some object is not loading, re-trying, and finally
timing out.  Just a guess...

Good luck,
Ralph



Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:42:53 +0200
From: Florian Lindner <mailinglists@xgm.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: Kevin Sulonen <kevins@pcf.com>
Subject: Re: Who is altering my hostname?
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Am Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 schrieb Kevin Sulonen:

> Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2007-09-26 00:04:26 +0200, Florian Lindner wrote:
> >> What could this make happen? In /etc/init.d/ there is nothing like a
> >> dhcp client. I have also removed some packages with dhcp in their names.
> >>
> >> Any idea what makes these two files changing and how to avoid it?
> >
> > It seems to be a dhcp client (but I don't know why). Have you checked
> > that pump isn't installed?
> >
> > Or perhaps resolvconf does this if it is installed (on one of my
> > machines, it got installed automatically and modified some files,
> > which was annoying as I use netenv).
> >
> > Also, you should look at the mtime of the modified files and look
> > at your log files if something special occurred at this time (or
> > a few seconds earlier).

>

> Hi:

>

> Please forgive me if this has already been suggested, but I encountered
> a similar problem running Lenny. Try getting rid of networkmanager.


What package do you mean? 
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=networkmanager&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all 
says that there is no package named networkmanager.

Regards,

Florian


> I 
> actually wound up purging this utility. There are probably more elegant
> ways to make it behave, but I felt foolish enough after I discovered
> what was causing the problem that I found the exercise distinctly
> satisfying.

>

> Hope that helps,
> Kevin

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:47:17 +0200
From: steef <steefvanduin@zonnet.nl>
To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: canon printer driver question]
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: canon printer driver question
Date: 	Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:46:07 +0200
From: 	steef <steefvanduin@zonnet.nl>
Reply-To: 	steefvanduin@zonnet.nl
To: 	Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
References: 	<46F8E127.5000003@zonnet.nl> 
<20070925145317.GA17869@localhost.localdomain>



by accident i sent this answer too to your private emailaddress.

 apologize!

steef



Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 12:21:27PM +0200, steef wrote:
>   

>> hi,
>>
>> does anybody know if the gutenprint driver canon ip2000 pixma also works 
>> with the canon ip2500 pixma?
>>     
>

> I can only answer indirectly: the ip1500 pixma does *not* work with
> the ip200 pixma driver. There is a repository 

>

> deb http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/debian ./

>

> that carries packages for some of the pixma line and there are several of
> them, there. YOu may find one that works for you.

>

> web page: http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/

>

> hth

>

> A
>   

thanks andrew. guess i can manage now.

reg.,

steef



Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:47:09 -0500
From: Martin McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: ASCII Formatter Whose Name I've Forgotten
Message-Id: <200709261447.l8QEl9Jf069002@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
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	I remember reading about a UNIX utility whose name
escapes me. You feed it ASCII text and it breaks lines as near
to a desired length as possible without splitting words. Anyone
remember the name of this utility?

	Thanks.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group

Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most.



Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:42:49 -0700
From: michael@estone.ca
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian install to Inspiron 530 with SATA DVD drive
Message-ID: <20070926074249.qffvub9u5cgo4kgk@estone.ca>
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Quoting Simon <greminn@gmail.com>:

>

> Thanks for that... have downloaded the lastest snapshot and it booted
> no issues. Now it wont find the network card. sigh... its a intel
> e1000 i think.

>

> Is it easier to just put a new network card in it?


Could be,
An old 3com or something may help, but I would guess that the kernel  
should support the e1000 nic.
On a similar desktop machine, (intel board 965 chipset), I had the  
exact same problems as you. I eventually gave up and used a usb stick  
to install Debian.
A good how to is here:

http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html

Mike



Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:09:55 -0700
From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
Message-ID: <46FA7643.20308@dmiyu.org>
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Neil Watson wrote:

> Please approach this subject in a more subjective manner.  I was
> suggesting that until you gain experience with both manners of
> document creation you can hardly form an accurate conclusion as to what=

> best suits your needs.


    Until you've tried a vacuum you can't say you can't breathe in one.

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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:54:29 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: ASCII Formatter Whose Name I've Forgotten
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:47:09 -0500
Martin McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu> wrote:


> 	I remember reading about a UNIX utility whose name
> escapes me. You feed it ASCII text and it breaks lines as near
> to a desired length as possible without splitting words. Anyone
> remember the name of this utility?
> 
> 	Thanks.


fmt -w nnn?


> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 


Celejar
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