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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2477

Today's Topics: 

  Openoffice file takes a long time to  [ "John O Laoi"  ]
  Openoffice file takes a long time to  [ "John O Laoi"  ]
  Re: Repost of some earlier described  [ Wayne Topa  ]
  Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was  [ Steve Lamb  ]
  Re: How to reply in the mailing list  [ Andrei Popescu  ]
  xorg/etch - reload ZAxisMapping on t  [ Pigeon  ]
  Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was  [ Johannes Wiedersich 

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:58:00 +0100


From: "John O Laoi" <brianolaoi@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Openoffice file takes a long time to open
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On 9/26/07, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:

>
>
> Maybe it's *highly* compressed and most of the time is spent in
> zlib.  I've seen examples of corner cases that take forever to open.
Do you need help?X

It is a file that is frequently used. I don't know how to check if it is in
zlib.


> I copied the file to SUSE linux that I have on a desktop, and the file
> > opened quickly.
>
> You neglect to mention the specs of the 2 machines.  Maybe the
> desktop is 10x faster.

The desktop is 2.8Ghz and has 1MB memory. The laptop is  1.8GHz and has the
same memory.


There is no difference between these two machines in opening any other file.


>
> > Any ideas where I look?
>
> Run top in an xterm.  See if OOo is sucking a lot of CPU.

It is, but only on opening this file.


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On 9/26/07, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:



<br>Maybe it&#39;s *highly* compressed and most of the time is spent in<br>zlib.&nbsp;&nbsp;I&#39;ve seen examples of corner cases that take forever to open.</blockquote><div><br>It is a file that is frequently used. I don&#39;t know how to check if it is in zlib. 
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">&gt; I copied the file to SUSE linux that I have on a desktop, and the file<br>
&gt; opened quickly.<br><br>You neglect to mention the specs of the 2 machines.&nbsp;&nbsp;Maybe the<br>desktop is 10x faster.</blockquote><div><br>The desktop is 2.8Ghz and has 1MB memory. The laptop is&nbsp; 1.8GHz and has the same memory.
<br>There is no difference between these two machines in opening any other file.<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
&gt;<br>&gt; Any ideas where I look?<br><br>Run top in an xterm.&nbsp;&nbsp;See if OOo is sucking a lot of CPU.</blockquote><div><br>It is, but only on opening this file.<br>John <br></div></div><br>



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Do you need more help?X

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:14:22 -0700


From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> Steve Lamb wrote:
>>     The ultimate irony is that the end result of all this evangelical =

blather

>> for LaTeX has resulted in people suggesting extremely convoluted metho=

ds of

>> achieving a simple requirement in OOo.  Convert LaTeX to HTML and then=

 from

>> HTML to Word!  That is reasonable?!
> Yes. Reasonable, simple, efficient.

    OOo -> Save As .doc


    LaTex -> Export to HTML, find an HTML to .doc converter, hope all the=



formatting goes through (which it won't).



    That is not simple, that is not efficient and that is not reasonable.=



> (Unfortunately the way from word to LaTeX is not nearly that efficient
> if not impossible.)
Can we help you?X

    Good thing I'm not using Word then, a point that most people gloss ov=
er.


> Note, that you said that you don't know yet, if you need .doc at all,
> since the manuscript is not finished and you don't know for sure that
> .doc is a requirement for the publishers you will be sending your
> manuscript to.

    Correct.  However I also said that in my research of potential publis=
hers


only 3 formats were accepted.  Printed manuscript which is increasingly
frowned upon, plain text which loses formatting, or .DOC.  That means it =
is in


my best interest in the long run to ensure that whatever format I work in=
 is


easily and reasonable converted to the most widely accepted format which
retains formatting.


> No. The reason for suggesting WYSIWYG editors was that you said you are=
> not comfortable with other editors.

    I never said that, either.  I said that for this purpose I wish to th=
ink


about it visually, not conceptually.  My vim-fu is quite strong, thanks.



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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:02:31 +0100


From: "John O Laoi" <brianolaoi@gmail.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Openoffice file takes a long time to open
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On 9/26/07, Ralph Katz <ralph.katz@rcn.com> wrote:

>
>
> Also check your disk i/o for swapping.

How do I do that?


>
> Also, check whether any other unusual objects are embedded or called
> somehow.  Perhaps some object is not loading, re-trying, and finally
> timing out.  Just a guess...
Confused? Frustrated?X

That is what has me baffled - there are no images or anything else in the
file.


It has some email addresses - maybe openoffice is trying to open an email
application for each of these.


John



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On 9/26/07, Ralph Katz <ralph.katz@rcn.com> wrote:


Also check your disk i/o for swapping.  

How do I do that? 



<br>Also, check whether any other unusual objects are embedded or called<br>somehow.&nbsp;&nbsp;Perhaps some object is not loading, re-trying, and finally<br>timing out.&nbsp;&nbsp;Just a guess...</blockquote><div><br>That is what has me baffled - there are no images or anything else in the file.
<br>It has some email addresses - maybe openoffice is trying to open an email application for each of these.<br>John </div></div><br>



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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:19:23 -0700


From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> True. But my personal experience includes quite a bit of work with word=

,

> OOo *and* LaTeX.

    Happy for you.  Let me know when you turn into me so your personal
experience matches mine.  I'll be happy to let you write the book for me.=
  :P


Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X
> LaTeX, especially without formulas or too complicated formatting, is
> easily converted to many different acceptable formats: HTML, pdf, plain=
> text, etc.

    "Acceptable" by whom?  My end goal is to get published.  None of thos=
e


formats are acceptable for that goal.


> The route via HTML to OOo and .doc is straightforward for the
> situation you describe.

    No, it's not.  It does not retain all the formatting.


> I didn't want to do hair splitting. I just used the example to convince=
> you that you don't require to type '\textit{}' all the times you need
> italics.

    Which I never said.


Do you need help?X
> texmacs is not emacs! See www.texmacs.org.

    Technically you're right.  From the FAQ, first question:



  •   is a free scientific text editor, which was both inspired by TeX and GN=
U Emacs.




    Yeahhhh, scientific text is what I am writing here.  Inspired by Emac=
s.


You're out of touch.


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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:07:14 -0400


From: Wayne Topa <linuxone@intergate.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

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Do you need more help?X

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Mike McCarty(Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net) is reported to have said:

> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> USB keyboard?  (I've always been leery of them, because of the
>> mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers.
>
> Oops! I somehow neglected to specify...

<--<snip>-->

>
>
> Ok, so how does one get a newer kernel, install it, and get
> all the memory available?
>
Can we help you?X

That question indicates, to me at least, that you don't know as much
about Debian as I thought you did.  That's not your fault, I 'assumed'
to much.  My answers, as well as others I think, assumed you knew more
than you do so were not as helpful as they might have been.  Yes, I do
recall that you run FC but I didn't realize it had become a turn-key
distro.  I haven't run RH since '92.



Admin'ing a Debian system requires the use of Debian tools and the
knowledge of how to use them.  Reading the man pages of aptitude,
apt-cache, and dpkg would be a good start.  She (you) do have those
packages installed, right?  



{Hint:}


dpkg -l aptitude apt-cache dpkg 


{/Hint:}



Maybe the problems your GF (you) have been running into are due to not
keeping her system up to date.  Maybe she (you) didn't realize Debian
had that feature.  



I don't recall you saying which dist your GF is using.  Is she running
etch (stable) or what?  That in important for us to be able to assist
you (her).



She (you) might try do a aptitude update && aptitude upgrade to get,
whichever dist she (you) are running, up to date.  That may fix some
of her (your) problems.



Updating a kernel is no more then finding the kernels available for
the dist she is running, and then running 'aptitude install
(linux-image|kernel-image)-kernel-version. 



This will not require her (you) to do any compiling.  If you want to
compile the kernel, look for, using  apt-cache search,
(linux-source | kernel-source).


Can't find what you're looking for?X

Pardon me for being somewhat addled, I'm getting too old for this...



Wayne


-- 
User n.:
        A programmer who will believe anything you tell him.
_______________________________________________________


Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:52:04 -0700
From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> It does not retain the formatting in the sense that it retains page and=

> line breaks. But it does retain the structure and italics, etc. ie. all=

> that appears to be important in your case.


    Or margins.  That is not inconsiderable.



>>> I didn't want to do hair splitting. I just used the example to convin=

ce

>>> you that you don't require to type '\textit{}' all the times you need=

>>> italics.
>>     Which I never said.

> Well you complained about:
>> You're also ignoring that CNTL-I is a tad shorter
>> than {\it}, esp. since \ is way out of the way of my normal typing hab=

its.

    Yes, because {\it} is \textit{}.  I see it now!

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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:52:26 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to reply in the mailing lists
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On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:12:50PM -0500, Sid Arth wrote:


> or any other email client. Those two do everything I need them to do.

=20
Apparently they don't do any automatic proper email formating (no=20
top-posting and proper trimming).  You still have to do that yourself!

Regards,
Andrei
P.S. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but this thread is related to netiquette.
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:41:13 +0200
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Steve Lamb wrote:

> Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

>     OOo -> Save As .doc
>     LaTex -> Export to HTML, find an HTML to .doc converter, hope all the
> formatting goes through (which it won't).


No: LaTeX -> Export to HTML; open html in OOo -> Save as .doc.
One additional step.


>     That is not simple, that is not efficient and that is not reasonable.
> 
>> (Unfortunately the way from word to LaTeX is not nearly that efficient
>> if not impossible.)
> 
>     Good thing I'm not using Word then, a point that most people gloss over.


The last time I tried, an export from OOo to latex didn't work for me.
Same sad story here.

[snip]


>> No. The reason for suggesting WYSIWYG editors was that you said you are
>> not comfortable with other editors.
> 
>     I never said that, either.  I said that for this purpose I wish to think
> about it visually, not conceptually.  My vim-fu is quite strong, thanks.


So you could just use a bit of key mapping to solve your problem of
typing too much \textit{}.
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:41:09 +0200
From: Florian Lindner <mailinglists@xgm.de>
To: Kevin Sulonen <kevins@pcf.com>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Who is altering my hostname?
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Am Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 schrieb Kevin Sulonen:

> Florian Lindner wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 schrieb Kevin Sulonen:
> >> Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> >>> On 2007-09-26 00:04:26 +0200, Florian Lindner wrote:
> >>>> What could this make happen? In /etc/init.d/ there is nothing like a
> >>>> dhcp client. I have also removed some packages with dhcp in their
> >>>> names.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any idea what makes these two files changing and how to avoid it?
> >>>
> >>> It seems to be a dhcp client (but I don't know why). Have you checked
> >>> that pump isn't installed?
> >>>
> >>> Or perhaps resolvconf does this if it is installed (on one of my
> >>> machines, it got installed automatically and modified some files,
> >>> which was annoying as I use netenv).
> >>>
> >>> Also, you should look at the mtime of the modified files and look
> >>> at your log files if something special occurred at this time (or
> >>> a few seconds earlier).
> >>
> >> Hi:
> >>
> >> Please forgive me if this has already been suggested, but I encountered
> >> a similar problem running Lenny. Try getting rid of networkmanager.
> >
> > What package do you mean?
> > http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=networkmanager&searchon=names&
> >suite=stable&section=all says that there is no package named
> > networkmanager.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Florian
> >
> >> I
> >> actually wound up purging this utility. There are probably more elegant
> >> ways to make it behave, but I felt foolish enough after I discovered
> >> what was causing the problem that I found the exercise distinctly
> >> satisfying.
> >>
> >> Hope that helps,
> >> Kevin
>
> Hi Florian:
>
> My apologies. I made a typo. Here's the culprit:
> network-manager_0.6.5-1_i386.deb . There are affiliated Gnome and KDE
> packages as well. From the description:


This package is not installed.

Any more ideas?

Thanks,

Florian



Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:41:48 -0500
From: Martin McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: ASCII Formatter Whose Name I've Forgotten 
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Celejar writes:

> fmt -w nnn?


	That's it. Thanks!



Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:45:25 -0700
From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org>
To: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

>>     OOo -> Save As .doc
>>     LaTex -> Export to HTML, find an HTML to .doc converter, hope all the
>> formatting goes through (which it won't).

> No: LaTeX -> Export to HTML; open html in OOo -> Save as .doc.
> One additional step.


    Did you miss "hope all formatting goes through (which it won't)"?  I'm
betting you did.


> The last time I tried, an export from OOo to latex didn't work for me.
> Same sad story here.


    Which isn't a concern of mine.


>>     I never said that, either.  I said that for this purpose I wish to think
>> about it visually, not conceptually.  My vim-fu is quite strong, thanks.

> So you could just use a bit of key mapping to solve your problem of
> typing too much \textit{}.


    Yeah, and vim is a WYSIWYG editor.  Now you're arguing just to be a prick.


Don't know where to look next?X

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:04:07 +0100
From: Pigeon <pigeon@pigeonsnest.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: xorg/etch - reload ZAxisMapping on the fly?
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My xorg installation has developed an infuriating habit of freaking out
its ZAxisMapping after it's been running for a day or two. It doesn't
lose the mapping entirely, but just reassigns it. The result is that
my vertical scroll wheel becomes a horizontal scroll wheel, and my
horizontal scroll wheel becomes a double-speed horizontal scroll wheel.

It's an absolute pain in the arse because it seems the only way to
get it working again is to restart the X server, which of course means
I lose all my state in the open applications.

However the fact that the X server manages to screw itself up on the
fly without restarting itself does tend to suggest that there might
be a way to make it unscrew itself without restarting, if only I
knew what it was.

Trying to change the mouse behaviour with kcontrol or
gnome-control-center doesn't do anything (and in any case neither
of those appears to know about mice with more than one scroll wheel
anyway).

Anyone any ideas?

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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:48:39 +0200
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Steve Lamb wrote:

> Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>> True. But my personal experience includes quite a bit of work with word,
>> OOo *and* LaTeX.
> 
>     Happy for you.  Let me know when you turn into me so your personal
> experience matches mine.  I'll be happy to let you write the book for me.  :P
> 
>> LaTeX, especially without formulas or too complicated formatting, is
>> easily converted to many different acceptable formats: HTML, pdf, plain
>> text, etc.
> 
>     "Acceptable" by whom?  My end goal is to get published.  None of those
> formats are acceptable for that goal.
> 
>> The route via HTML to OOo and .doc is straightforward for the
>> situation you describe.
> 
>     No, it's not.  It does not retain all the formatting.


It does not retain the formatting in the sense that it retains page and
line breaks. But it does retain the structure and italics, etc. ie. all
that appears to be important in your case.


>> I didn't want to do hair splitting. I just used the example to convince
>> you that you don't require to type '\textit{}' all the times you need
>> italics.
> 
>     Which I never said.


Well you complained about:

> You're also ignoring that CNTL-I is a tad shorter
> than {\it}, esp. since \ is way out of the way of my normal typing habits.

>> texmacs is not emacs! See www.texmacs.org.
> 
>     Technically you're right.  From the FAQ, first question:
> 
> * is a free scientific text editor, which was both inspired by TeX and GNU Emacs.
> 
>     Yeahhhh, scientific text is what I am writing here.  Inspired by Emacs.
> You're out of touch.


As said before, you can use it for non-scientific text just as you want.
It may be inspired by emacs, but is totally different: appearence,
usage, output format, etc. I wasn't focussing about technical
differences, it is fundamentally different.

Johannes
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:59:05 +0200
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Steve Lamb wrote:

> 
>     Yeah, and vim is a WYSIWYG editor.  Now you're arguing just to be a prick.


No, it's you who is arguing just to be a prick. I told you before, that
from your previous e-mail I got the impression that you don't like to
type things like '{\it}' too often. Since you also mentioned


> I want to work on this document visually, not conceptually


The solution that came to my humble mind was to suggest a WYSIWYG that
would feature shortcut keys. There are other solutions as well. Sorry,
for not realizing from the beginning that your vim-fu is so strong.

Johannes

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