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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2478

Today's Topics:

  Re: Repost of some earlier described  [ Manoj Srivastava Etch s  [ =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Alexander_Sch=E4fer ]
  Re: Who is altering my hostname?      [ Joachim Reichel  ]
  setup wiki with apache2 and mod-pyth  [ mmiller3@iupui.edu (Michael A. Mill ]
  Re: Debian may lose a user            [ Mike McCarty  ]
  Re: Repost of some earlier described  [ Mike McCarty  ]

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:10:10 -0500
From: Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@ieee.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges" Message-ID: <871wclcsrh.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:50:44 -0500, Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> said:

> Oops! I somehow neglected to specify... PS/2 style keyboard PS/2
> style mouse Keyboard works

> PS/2 style keyboard USB style mouse Keyboard stops working

Do you need help?

I am afraid I cannot reproduce this. I have two machines, including my laptop, and I tried adding a USB mouse and keyboard to both, and they both worked.

I think we need more details in order for us to be able to help solve this problem; and this might explain the lack of response earlier -- people might not be seeing the same issues, and thus can't debug it without more information.

> Same setup works with you-know-what.

Then perhaps you-know-what _is_ the better solution, as far as you are concerned. I don't think we should be brow beating people into usding free software -- it should be their cohice. If they do not like what free software has to offer, and like some other solution better, we should respect that decision.

> ["snip no fix yet"s]

> Ok, so how does one get a newer kernel, install it, and get all the
> memory available?

 $ apt-cache search linux-image
 $ aptitude install 
 $ update-grub (or the like, if you have not edited /etc/kernel-img.conf)
 $ reboot.

>>> She's sorta impulsive, sometimes.
>>> 
>>> Partly, she also wants access to a disc which was formatted by
>>> Windows NT, and which she considers she has no access to at present.

>>
>> libntfs-3g12. Will need a FUSE-enabled kernel.

> Again, how to obtain and install? I believe it is already mountable
> and readable.

I think with the kernel above, you should be able to mount an NTFS volume (mount -t ntfs) without using fuse.

Do you need more help?

manoj

-- 
Boys will be boys, and so will a lot of middle-aged men. Kin Hubbard
Manoj Srivastava <
srivasta(at)acm.org> <
http://www.golden-gryphon.com/>
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:54:48 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Alexander_Sch=E4fer?= <alex@schaeferhome.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: htsearch problem after Sarge->Etch system upgrade Message-ID: <46FA80C8.6040006@schaeferhome.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, we've upgraded our company's web-server (runnun with apache2) from 3.1 to 4.0. All is working well after upgrade, but not the "htsearch" function, which is used for the product search on our web-site. The error message in the Apache-Log is the like: *** [Wed Sep 26 16:49:35 2007] [error] [client 10.10.0.102] /srv/cgi-bin/htsearch: error while loading shared libraries: libdb2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, referer: http://10.10.154.177/COM/search.php?SearchText=df&Typensuche2=Search *** htsearch is a cgi-script which is installed with the Debian packet "htdig". htdig is also available in the "etch" distribution. But why we do have this unsolved dependency: libdb2.so.2 ? Due to Debian repository: libdb2 is not available for "etch" anymore. What can i do, to get the htsearch running on the "etch"-server? Thanks for your suggestions Alex

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:00:55 +0200 From: Joachim Reichel <joachim.reichel@gmx.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Who is altering my hostname? Message-ID: <46FA8237.2090507@gmx.de> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040606010308080405070100" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040606010308080405070100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
> Is is possible that this change of hostnames is somehow enfored by the
> virtualization? (Virtuozzo)
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:18:47 -0500 From: Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@ieee.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX Message-ID: <87wsudbdso.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:54:24 -0700, Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org> said:
> Neil Watson wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 10:11:31PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: >>> Furthermore I fail to see this supposed "don't think about the >>> formatting" simplicity when I can't even write a simple financial >>> value without resorting to escapes! >> Hardly any different from resorting to mouse clicks. However, you >> seem to have made up your mind without actually spending some time >> writing a document or two.
> Very nice how you conveniently left out where I stated CNTL-I is
> fewer keystrokes compared to {\it}. In other words you're shifting it
> to a personal attack of "look, he's one of those GUI people".
Well, I have emacs keybinding set so that CNTL-I spits out {\it}. In open office, when you hit CNTL-I, it does some weird stuff hiddden from you, in LaTeX is puts the directive right there for you to see, and edit, later, conveniently.
> Whatever. I don't need to write a document or two to know that it
> would be inconvenient, to me, to shift to 5 keys instead of 2 (or even
> 1) for a simple operation like italics and that having to remember to
> escape certain normal characters would be a problem.
There are helpful modes in modal text editors that do help alleviate this user interface issue -- but note you are not tied down to any particular front end. There have been times when I appreciated not being tied down to a frontend -- since there are different editors which are convenient at different time (emacs + X + font locking when editing locally, vim when editing over ssh from an airport lobby). With the modal editor and LaTeX modes, I find entering the codes, and syntax highlighted semi-wysiwyg better than Ooo, in my personal and very very humble opinion.
> The ultimate irony is that the end result of all this evangelical
> blather for LaTeX has resulted in people suggesting extremely
> convoluted methods of achieving a simple requirement in OOo. Convert
> LaTeX to HTML and then from HTML to Word! That is reasonable?! The
> most amusing part is that people have suggested using a WYSIWYG editor
> for LaTeX... and use LaTeX because the WYSIWYG editor called OOo is
> bad because it is WYSIWYG. A-wha!?
I do not consider converting to word a desirable feature, so I have had no itch to scratch to make it convenient. I understand this might make LaTeX less desirable for you, but again, that triggers no itch I feel the need for scratching. You asked for suggestions. TeX is the solution I use in a similar situation, and I offered it up to you, mentioning some of the advantages I see in that solution. You are, of course, under no obligation to take my solution. But please try to refrain from calling my helpful suggestion "evangelical blather", if you can, in order for this discussion to remain collegial. manoj -- When the government bureau's remedies don't match your problem, you modify the problem, not the remedy. Manoj Srivastava <srivasta(at)acm.org> <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:40:59 -0700 From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX Message-ID: <46FA8B9B.1090409@dmiyu.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigECC099C0A66FC52AAE11F33E" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigECC099C0A66FC52AAE11F33E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I do not consider converting to word a desirable feature,
I do and have stated such.
> You asked for suggestions. TeX is the solution I use in a
> similar situation, and I offered it up to you, mentioning some of the
> advantages I see in that solution.
Yes, you and many other people have done that. That's not the proble= m and never has been. The problem is when I point out why it is ill-suited to = *my specific needs* those problems are flippantly ignored. As above while converting to word is not an issue for you it is for me. I have explaine= d in detail for me. That means that outside some serious wrangling LaTeX is o= ut of the picture. Yet others (not you) have continued on to get more and more= unreasonable in their assertions that not only is LaTeX a /possible/ answ= er that it is /the best answer *for Steve Lamb*/. I don't mind at all bringing it up as a possible answer. I didn't fr= om the start, I don't now. But I expect the same respect given to me when I= say it is not viable in my situation. That respect is sorely lacking. To me= that is utterly surprising in an Open Source project which is supposed about choices, not the "this is the only tool for you, ever" mentality of the c= losed source alternatives.
> You are, of course, under no obligation to take my solution.
> But please try to refrain from calling my helpful suggestion
> "evangelical blather", if you can, in order for this discussion to
> remain collegial.
Your suggestion, no. Johannes' constant harping, yes. Especially wh= en he starts engaging in strawman fallacies, ignoring things I am saying and flipping arguments my mixing unrelated things together. --=20 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+-----------------------------------------= ---- --------------enigECC099C0A66FC52AAE11F33E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG+oubel/srYtumcURAgzpAJ955xKWaj26cABi5YNE4K2Bm+JHowCgqV8E Y612BN6QAkFhaQiKfSkwLw0= =5pXI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigECC099C0A66FC52AAE11F33E--

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:29:40 -0400 From: mmiller3@iupui.edu (Michael A. Miller) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: setup wiki with apache2 and mod-python? Message-ID: <87ejglie4r.fsf@lumen.indyrad.iupui.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can anyone supply an example of how to setup a new moinmoin wiki using apache2 and mod_python? I had one working with apache 1.3, but I'm trying to move that to a different machine. I've read through /usr/share/doc/moinmoin-common/INSTALL.html and the examples, but I'm confused about where all the files go. Mike

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:42:53 -0500 From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian may lose a user Message-ID: <46FA8C0D.6010602@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nate Bargmann wrote: >> Plenty of stuff, lots of replies and multipost threads. Can't see any >> bug reports. Guess it's off to the BTS to search there. Drat. >> >> How 'bout that? Search of the BTS for submitter reports no reports >> found. Huh? What address did you submit them from?
>
> Hmmmm, methinks the emperor has no clothes. ;-)
Hey, that's pretty pejorative. I TOLD you I don't use Debian. I didn't submit from my machine. So it isn't in my name, is it? How about engaging brain before starting mouth?
> Mr. McCarty wore out his welcome with me sometime back when I made an
> honest effort to help and was dismissed. This thread makes me think
Well, I don't recall that, but if I did, then I'm sorry.
> Mr. McCarty may be playing the part of a troll. YMMV.
Not at all.
>
> Trolling, perhaps?
No. It seems likely that she will blast Debian, and I just didn't want to "disappear" off the list with no explanation, and thought that some explanation might aid the group. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN. This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:50:50 -0500 From: "Hugo Vanwoerkom" <hvw59601@care2.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: vmware vs. qemu for XP guest + samba Message-ID: <fde2l9$bfb$1@sea.gmane.org> Hi, Since this is the conclusion of a week' s worth of work, I am posting the results. I had to reload new firmware to a Packard Bell AudioKey FM player because I had stupidly reformatted the vfat fs on it. Problem: qemu' s USB service stinks, but it' s samba use is very good. Could not use it with the AudioKey inserted: system would hang. But it' s use of samba works out of the box. So: downloaded the free VMware server and installed that. Its USB service is excellent (but not for USB streaming devices) so I solved the firmware problem. (But it only works if you insert the key while the firmware is looking for it) But then I noticed that samba did not work on vmware XP but did on qemu XP. Other weirdness: I had to redo firehol (use /etc/init.d/firehol helpme) for vmware but not for qemu! So I went googling with 'samba debugging' and came across: http://www.faqs.org/docs/samba/ch12.html#samba2-CHP-12-SECT-2.5.4 which said to use the ' net use * \\server\share' command on the guest.and bingo! that got: Drive Z: is now connected to \\www.xxx.yy.z\hugo. The command completed successfully. And I was in business... Hugo

Can we help you?

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:53:03 -0500 From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges" Message-ID: <46FA8E6F.1090404@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> [2007 Sep 26 03:22 -0500]:
>> Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 09/25/07 21:33, Mike McCarty wrote: >> [snip] >> >>> USB keyboard? (I've always been leery of them, because of the >>> mutually-exclusive HID and {o,u}chi drivers. >> Oops! I somehow neglected to specify... >> PS/2 style keyboard >> PS/2 style mouse >> Keyboard works >> >> PS/2 style keyboard >> USB style mouse >> Keyboard stops working >> >> Same setup works with you-know-what.
>
> I have two IBM ThinkCentre machines each with a PS/2 keyboard and USB
> mouse that have been running Debian for well over a year with no
> problems of any sort. They were updated to Stable/Etch this spring and
> work like a hose. I suspect her machine has some flaky USB hardware.
I suppose that is possible, though the BIOS and Windows have no troubles seeing both at the same time.
> I have plugged USB peripherals into my T23 laptop (keyboard and mouse)
> and both devices "just worked" without my intervention. This has been
> within the past 24 to 30 months. What version of Debian does she have
> installed?
I'd have to check. I know it was installed within the last couple of years. Actually, looking back in my e-mail records, it was probably in Sep 2005. I don't think it has been updated much if any since then. I updated her Thunderbird to 2.0.0.6 just the other day, but I don't see any reasonable possibility to USB incompatibilities being resolved by that.
> It will be interesting to see if the memory stick works with her
> desktop and hub under XP. The fact it does work under XP with her
> laptop does not rule out hardware incompatibility with her desktop
> machine.
Yes. >> She's quite familiar with Windows XP. She uses it at work.
>
> As do I and that experience has taught me to *never* use it at home.
> In fact, my work laptop is not allowed on my home network.
Dif'runt strokes for dif'runt folks, I guess. I don't and never have particularly cared for any of the versions of Windows. However, much of the touted "vulnerability" of Windows is more due to it not protecting witless users from themselves than inherent vulnerability. I used W95 for quite a number of years, and never once got compromised. Living behind a router with firewall enabled is a big help in that regard. So is not doing dubious things like downloading and executing programs in order to get new command line prompts and cute icons.
> How current is her Debian install?
From stable, but a little old. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN. This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:53:56 -0500 From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management) Message-ID: <46FA8EA4.9090702@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/26/07 09:00, Steve Lamb wrote: [snip]
>
> But does not fit the requirement of easily converted to an acceptable
> format or being able to work visually with it. No, I am not counting LyX and
> the like because to suggest a WYSIWYG editor for LaTeX who's stringent
> proponents eschew WYSIWYG is to put oneself right back at the same level as
> any other tool.
You're saying that only stringent proponents get to define the usage parameters of a system. Highly invalid logic. The kind I'd expect from political activists. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG+o6kS9HxQb37XmcRAsQOAKCMeS1VrglmSMNG+p9EuIF3BElp/QCfYUpC 1rcdLRW1Bjkk8i5egI9iqEk= =/oAE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:58:55 -0500 From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges" Message-ID: <46FA8FCF.1000600@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Topa wrote:
> Mike McCarty(Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net) is reported to have said:
>> >> Ok, so how does one get a newer kernel, install it, and get >> all the memory available? >>
>
>
> That question indicates, to me at least, that you don't know as much
> about Debian as I thought you did. That's not your fault, I 'assumed'
> to much. My answers, as well as others I think, assumed you knew more
> than you do so were not as helpful as they might have been. Yes, I do
> recall that you run FC but I didn't realize it had become a turn-key
> distro. I haven't run RH since '92.
I know how to do the necessary admin with FC. Debian I'm much less capable with. I wouldn't call FC "turnkey". But it uses a completely different set of admin tools.
> Maybe the problems your GF (you) have been running into are due to not
> keeping her system up to date. Maybe she (you) didn't realize Debian
> had that feature.
Possibly. I'm aware that Debian must have a means for updating, but I'll admit that I don't know the details of it. That's my failing, not yours.
> I don't recall you saying which dist your GF is using. Is she running
> etch (stable) or what? That in important for us to be able to assist
> you (her).
Stable.
> She (you) might try do a aptitude update && aptitude upgrade to get,
> whichever dist she (you) are running, up to date. That may fix some
> of her (your) problems.
That is certainly worth trying, at least.
> Updating a kernel is no more then finding the kernels available for
> the dist she is running, and then running 'aptitude install
> (linux-image|kernel-image)-kernel-version.
>
> This will not require her (you) to do any compiling. If you want to
> compile the kernel, look for, using apt-cache search,
> (linux-source | kernel-source).
>
> Pardon me for being somewhat addled, I'm getting too old for this...
I haven't noticed that you are addled. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN. This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:02:18 -0500 From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges" Message-ID: <46FA909A.4020007@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:50:44 -0500, Mike McCarty
> <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net> said:
>
>> Oops! I somehow neglected to specify... PS/2 style keyboard PS/2 >> style mouse Keyboard works
>
>> PS/2 style keyboard USB style mouse Keyboard stops working
>
> I am afraid I cannot reproduce this. I have two machines,
Not surprising. If it were a common phenomenon, then it would probably have been noted earlier. I do know that at least one other person has experienced it. [snip]
>
>> Same setup works with you-know-what.
>
> Then perhaps you-know-what _is_ the better solution, as far as
> you are concerned. I don't think we should be brow beating people into
> usding free software -- it should be their cohice. If they do not like
> what free software has to offer, and like some other solution better,
> we should respect that decision.
In this case, it's her decision, not mine. >> Again, how to obtain and install? I believe it is already mountable >> and readable.
>
> I think with the kernel above, you should be able to mount an
> NTFS volume (mount -t ntfs) without using fuse.
That's what I observe. I put entries into /etc/fstab for her, and the NT disc gets auto mounted with no problem. But she still considers it "no access". I think mostly because most of the useful stuff on it is Windows NT executables. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN. This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!

Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:21:04 -0700 From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management) Message-ID: <46FA9500.3030505@dmiyu.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig700A0E1F1B015D048E9DBE8D" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig700A0E1F1B015D048E9DBE8D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ron Johnson wrote:
> You're saying that only stringent proponents get to define the usage
> parameters of a system.
No. But their usage parameters are the only one that change signific= antly from what I'm working with now. It's a matter of "drop the WYSIWYG and d= o the work in LaTeX" vs. "Save in a different format." Saving in a different f= ormat does not fundamentally change the tool. It would be like saying if Word were able to save in ODT it would be ok to use Word instead of OOo becaus= e of the file format it saves in. One has to change the tool so if one is advocating LaTeX because of t= he merits of LaTeX over WYSIWYG one cannot offer up WYSIWYG as a front end f= or LaTeX without invalidating the argument that it is superior. --=20 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... -------------------------------+-----------------------------------------= ---- --------------enig700A0E1F1B015D048E9DBE8D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG+pUAel/srYtumcURAu/4AKCKTc73xXY1kpDedRjcuJWa6yOSqwCg8wKA pd/mS2LFV+F1YGAaUQZBfJ0= =jkGl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig700A0E1F1B015D048E9DBE8D-- End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2478 ************************************************** Received on Wed Sep 26 13:21:42 2007

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