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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2482
Today's Topics:
Re: more of that sed "editing" (Re: [ Ken Irving ]
Problems capturing audio with Intel [ Andrea Giuliano ]
Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was [ David Brodbeck ]
Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was [ "Russell L. Harris" ]
Re: Repost of some earlier described [ "bent." ]
Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was [ Benjamin A'Lee ]
Re: Repost of some earlier described [ p ]
Re: How to reply in the mailing list [ "Sid Arth" ]
Trying to get a network printer HP L [ J ]
Re: Trying to get a network printer [ David Brodbeck ]
Re: How to reply in the mailing list [ Nick Lidakis ]
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:50:59 -0800
From: Ken Irving <fnkci@uaf.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: more of that sed "editing" (Re: ASCII Formatter Whose Name
I've Forgotten)
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 08:27:34PM +0000, Oleg Verych wrote:
> 26-09-2007, Celejar:
> > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:47:09 -0500
> > Martin McCormick <martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I remember reading about a UNIX utility whose name
> >> escapes me. You feed it ASCII text and it breaks lines as near
> >> to a desired length as possible without splitting words. Anyone
> >> remember the name of this utility?
> >
> > fmt -w nnn?
>
> Yesterday, when i was (quickly) reviewing (very long) backlog of this
> ML, there was similar question, but person started subject with `sed`.
>
> Eventually the sed solution to the problem was not noticed, and this
> silly `fmt` was accepted.
>
> Just in case somebody is interested in sed scripting, i'd like to share
> with little one, which i used to format `pdftotext` output. I didn't come
> up with good distribution algo for justification, though.
>
> <ftp://flower.upol.cz/upload/sed-craziness>
>
> Main usage was to read defprogramming.pdf by Ulrich Drepper in my hackish
> non-X environment. But such docs, with silly 2 columns text, are coming out
> very broken. But some formatting for C in sed, is rather useful.
>
> Ah, "silly fmt?", you might say. Yes. It doesn't break line-long
> words. I do this like that:
> "
> barfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobar\
> barfoobarbarfoobar"
>
> :P
Just to toss out another alternative, while I use fmt a lot, par does
some things better, or at least easier. In particular, it can reformat a
paragraph while retaining leading characters, e.g., quoted text in emails.
It my not handle your runaway foobar example very well, though:
$ echo barfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobar | par -w 40
barfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarf
oobarbarfoobar
--
Ken Irving, fnkci+debianuser@uaf.edu
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:51:30 +0200
From: Andrea Giuliano <sarkiaponius@alice.it>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Problems capturing audio with Intel ICH5...
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Hi!
Recently I had to change the motherboard, and now I have the P4i65G by
ASRock. The south bridge is the famous ICH5, which, amoing other things,
incorporates a sound card. "lspci -v" gives the following line about it:
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER
(ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
The problem is this: I can play normally anything perfectly fine (at
least, the sound seems good), but if try to record something from
Line-in, when I play it back the sound is ugly. It resembles the tipical
robot-like speaking, and it's very loud too.
I try to lower and even to mute every input control with gnome-mixer,
but the results are the same.
Alsa seems correctly configured (at least, sudo alsaconf gives no error).
What could be the cause of this strange behaviour?
Best regards.
--
Andrea
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:11:35 -0400
From: Rob Mahurin <rob@utk.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 10:11:31PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Rob Mahurin wrote:
> > I know you've settled on OOo, but it's worth pointing out that TeX is
> > a simple language if you're writing a simple document. In particular
> > you are already writing valid plain TeX in your email. Copy the above
> > (without the >'s) into file.txt; change /'thinking'/ to {\it thinking}
> > and "saying" to ``saying''; type "pdftex file.txt" and "\end".
> > file.pdf looks like http://sns.phys.utk.edu/~mahurin/du/09-25.pdf,
> > which I think is what you're after.
>
> Uh, no. It's more than that. You're forgetting loading in the templates
> and the entire structure.
Sorry I wasn't clearer. I made the output linked above using /plain/ TeX;
the only \command was the italics. LaTeX is a set of templates and macros
for typesetting structured documents with TeX, which it sounds like you
don't need. When I was writing MLA-formatted papers as an undergraduate I
used plain TeX like this and was pretty happy with it.
Your other complaints, though, are all perfectly reasonable. It sounds
like you want to write your fiction using a word processor, not a
typesetting language. Great --- that's why the word processor was
invented, after all.
Let me see if I remember what you want:
1. revision control, including
- resurrect erased text
- merge changes from two computers
2. shallow learning curve, so you can focus on the writing
3. export to .doc that preserves italicization.
You're concerned (I think) about not being able to merge changes in
OpenOffice's data files using revision control, because those files
aren't straightforward text. Someone else mentioned Abiword, which
saves uncompressed XML; but there's metadata in there too, which might
not merge correctly. It looks like Abisource offering revision control
for collaborative writing, http://collaborate.abisource.com/faq/, but
that's probably not what you want either. These options give you #2 and
#3, maybe #1, or maybe a broken document after a certain level of
complexity is reached.
Many of the replies have been about TeX, its macro packages, etc. You
complain that gives you #1 at the expense of #2 and #3.
You mentioned you're not afraid of programming, so here's an idea.
You could just write in plain text, and use /italics/ the same you
have on this list. You said the publishers you've spoken to accept
plain text; that additional markup is easy enough to read.
If you /must/ send someone a .doc, you could write a Word macro (or a
macro in a program that produces Word files) to match and italicize text.
For that matter, a three-line perl (or whatever) script could
1. escape TeX's special characters, $%&#\{}^_~
2. replace / with "\it " (italicize) or "\rm " (roman) in alternation
3. run pdfTeX on the output
giving you something nice to print out. You should call the converter
SLIPTT, Steve Lamb's Italicized Plain Text Typesetter.
Don't want to print? Publisher can read plain text? You're all set.
The fact is that any document formatting specification is going to be in
SOME language, whether that language is embedded in the file format by
the word processor, marked up by the author, or whatever. Most of the
open-source revision control systems are for marked-up text, or code,
where the author can tell if the merged text is right or not. File
formats that warn "don't change this file manually," as AbiWord and
OpenOffice do, probably require specialized version control software
that's aware of those formats. The conclusion of this thread seems to
be that debian users are using source-controlled LaTeX markup, and that
there's not yet a good solution for source-controlled word processor
output. I'll be interested to know what you decide to do.
Good luck with your writing.
Rob
--
Rob Mahurin
Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
University of Tennessee phone: 865 207 2594
Knoxville, TN 37996 email: rob@utk.edu
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:18:59 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: "Debian-user (debian help)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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On Sep 26, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Rob Mahurin wrote:
> You're concerned (I think) about not being able to merge changes in
> OpenOffice's data files using revision control, because those files
> aren't straightforward text. Someone else mentioned Abiword, which
> saves uncompressed XML; but there's metadata in there too, which might
> not merge correctly. It looks like Abisource offering revision
> control
> for collaborative writing, http://collaborate.abisource.com/faq/, but
> that's probably not what you want either.
He's made it clear that he doesn't want to use anything but OOo. So
the focus of the thread discussion so far would appear to be
completely wrong; he apparently has a very specific desire for a
version control tool that works within OOo. I'm not sure such a
thing exists, so he may be up a creek without a paddle.
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:24:21 -0400
From: Rob Mahurin <rob@utk.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Tool for document management
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:39:55AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> Looking at my copy of 'The Not So Short Introduction To LaTeX,' it's
> not clear to me what document class I'd use [for a letter].
For some reason that book omits the LaTeX "letter" class.
--
Rob Mahurin
Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
University of Tennessee phone: 865 207 2594
Knoxville, TN 37996 email: rob@utk.edu
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:33:13 -0500
From: "Russell L. Harris" <rlharris@oplink.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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* Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de> [070926 08:28]:
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> Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > So now the problem becomes how to convert the HTML produced by HeVeA
> > into RTF or another format which M$ Word can read -- preferably within
> > the Debian environment, and preferably with open-source software.
> > In another hour searching with Google, I came across only one potential
> > solution.
>
> I havn't yet tried with HeVeA output, but OOo is quite capable of
> handling html code. It can also export to .doc
>
> Johannes
Thanks, Johannes. I did not realize that OOo could read HTML.
I just tried OOo on the HeVeA output (which is claimed to conform to
the HTML standard), and it works reasonably well.
The only real problem is that some of the characters are rendered by
code such as:
A0; 2013; 2014; 2026; 201C; 201D;
So, unless OOo has a switch to enable these characters to be rendered
properly, I need to do a search-and-replace on them before converting
to M$ Word .doc format.
RLH
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:41:06 +0100
From: "John O Laoi" <brianolaoi@gmail.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Openoffice file takes a long time to open
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On 9/26/07, Ralph Katz <ralph.katz@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Don't know, John, I'm just a simple user. If it were me, I'd copy the
> contents of the doc onto the clipboard, paste it into a text-only
> editor, re-copy the now text-only data into a new OOo doc. (This is
> crude, but assures nothing surprising gets inadvertently copied.) Now,
> try the new doc.
>
> I tried this to no avail.
Then, I brought the file to SUSE, and did the same thing there, using vi,
saved it as text
and brought it back to Etch, and it opened in less than a second.
All very mysterious.
Anyway, problem solved in the end.
Thanks for your help.
John
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On 9/26/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ralph Katz</b> <<a href="mailto:ralph.katz@rcn.com">ralph.katz@rcn.com</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br>Don't know, John, I'm just a simple user. If it were me, I'd copy the<br>contents of the doc onto the clipboard, paste it into a text-only<br>editor, re-copy the now text-only data into a new OOo doc. (This is
<br>crude, but assures nothing surprising gets inadvertently copied.) Now,<br>try the new doc.<br><br></blockquote></div> I tried this to no avail.<br>Then, I brought the file to SUSE, and did the same thing there, using vi, saved it as text
<br>and brought it back to Etch, and it opened in less than a second.<br>All very mysterious.<br>Anyway, problem solved in the end.<br>Thanks for your help.<br>John<br>
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:59:22 -0500
From: "Russell L. Harris" <rlharris@oplink.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Tool for document management
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* Rob Mahurin <rob@utk.edu> [070926 16:42]:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:39:55AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > Looking at my copy of 'The Not So Short Introduction To LaTeX,' it's
> > not clear to me what document class I'd use [for a letter].
>
> For some reason that book omits the LaTeX "letter" class.
The LaTeX letter class is rather pathetic. The letters it produces
have wide margins and are suitable only for personal correspondence;
they remind me of the style which was taught in American elementary
schools back in the 1950's.
Kopka and Daly, in "A Guide to LaTeX", third edition, provide a
fully-detailed example of a letterhead class which is suitable for the
correspondence of a business or an organization.
Using as a guide the letterhead class of Kopka and Daly, I created my
own letterhead class which has a header, a footer, two columns, page
numbers, etc. The header for the second and subsequent pages displays
the name of the recipient and the date of the communication. The
footer of every page displays my own organization name and address.
The result is a layout which is attractive, professional in
appearance, and stands out from the crowd.
RLH
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:56:41 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Tool for document management
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On 09/25/07 18:05, David Brodbeck wrote:
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Russell L. Harris wrote:
>> I use XEMacs daily to produce LaTeX documents. I have frequent need
>> to search my archives of material I have written in the past, and I
>> use grep for this purpose. It is difficult for me to imagine an
>> advantage offered by OpenOffice which would compensate for the
>> inability to make use of grep in searching my archives.
>
> I think it depends on what you're doing. TeX is awesome for writing
> books and scientific papers. If you're writing a letter to Grandma,
> though, OpenOffice is better suited. Using TeX for that is a bit like
> driving a semi truck to the supermarket to pick up a bottle of milk.
Load that beast to write a simple letter? Or do some simple
spreadsheet work?
AbiWord and Gnumeric are *much* better at that task.
- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:26:34 -0600
From: "bent." <pplaw@pcisys.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"
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On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
__deletia__
>
> Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more
> memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately,
> Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't
> looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted
> here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a
> solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy
> of Windows XP.
>
__deletia__
> Mike
//
i agree with andrew sackville-wes's recommendation to
consider an upgrade to etch, the default kernel to which,
for example, (just) sees my rig's 3mb of ram.
luck.
b.
//
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:00:27 +0100
From: Benjamin A'Lee <bma@subvert.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 04:16:06PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> (Unfortunately the way from word to LaTeX is not nearly that efficient
> if not impossible.)
Not at all. IIRC, Abiword can both import DOC and export LaTeX.
On the other hand, if you want *nice* LaTeX, you'll have to try a bit
harder; Abiword seems to try to preserve as much of the formatting as
possible, rather than just letting TeX deal with it.
--=20
Benjamin A'Lee <bma@subvert.org.uk>
http://subvert.org.uk/~bma/
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:45:49 -0600
From: p <pplaw@pcisys.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 04:26:34PM -0600, bent. wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> __deletia__
> >
> > Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more
> > memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately,
> > Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't
> > looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted
> > here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a
> > solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy
> > of Windows XP.
> >
> __deletia__
>
> > Mike
>
> //
>
> i agree with andrew sackville-wes's recommendation to
> consider an upgrade to etch, the default kernel to which,
> for example, (just) sees my rig's 3mb of ram.
>
> luck.
>
> b.
>
> //
//
oops--3gb of ram. sorry. b.
//
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:59:12 -0500
From: "Sid Arth" <sidster802@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to reply in the mailing lists
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Ahh you will have to excuse me, but what exactly is top posting and
what do you mean by trimming?
Ill try to fix it myself if I can.
On 9/26/07, Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:12:50PM -0500, Sid Arth wrote:
>
> > or any other email client. Those two do everything I need them to do.
>
> Apparently they don't do any automatic proper email formating (no
> top-posting and proper trimming). You still have to do that yourself!
>
> Regards,
> Andrei
> P.S. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but this thread is related to netiquette.
> --
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:41:59 -0700
From: J <j1234f@excite.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Trying to get a network printer HP LaserJet (tm) 2100tn to print from debian
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Trying to get a network printer HP LaserJet (tm) 2100tn to print from
debian that I got for free.
I got it to print from windows because it had some Java aplet that
downloaded DLL
and did a windows install and it will print from Windows now.
The software it installed was called "HP internet Printer Connection".
Any how, KDE's add printer cannot scan and find the printer???
So, I can't add it. Should I try to add it as
and IPP printer or other type?
I tried entering the IP address in the add printer dialog,
but then it show blank selection for chooing the model
and maker of the printer on the next page of the KDE add printer
dialog.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
J
$ telnet 192.168.1.5:631
telnet: could not resolve 192.168.1.5:631/telnet: Name or service not
known
$ telnet 192.168.1.5:9100
telnet: could not resolve 192.168.1.5:9100/telnet: Name or service not
kn
$ telnet 192.168.1.5
Trying 192.168.1.5...
Connected to 192.168.1.5.
Escape character is '^]'.
HP JetDirect
Please type "?" for HELP, or "/" for current settings
>
> /
===JetDirect Telnet Configuration===
Firmware Rev. : G.08.04
MAC Address : 00:30:c1:0c:0f:3f
Config By : DHCP
IP Address : 192.168.1.5
Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway : 192.168.1.1
Syslog Server : Not Specified
Idle Timeout : 90 Seconds
Set Cmnty Name : Not Specified
Host Name : HP2100
DHCP Config : Enabled
Passwd : Disabled
IPX/SPX : Enabled
DLC/LLC : Enabled
Ethertalk : Enabled
Banner page : Enabled
> quit
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:28:03 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: J <j1234f@excite.com>
Cc: "Debian-user (debian help)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Trying to get a network printer HP LaserJet (tm) 2100tn to print from debian
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On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:41 PM, J wrote:
> Trying to get a network printer HP LaserJet (tm) 2100tn to print from
> debian that I got for free.
>
> Any how, KDE's add printer cannot scan and find the printer???
> So, I can't add it. Should I try to add it as
> and IPP printer or other type?
For HP printers, I usually use the "socket" method of printing.
(Sometimes called "raw socket" or "Jetdirect.") Pretty much every
network-capable HP printer supports it and it's easy to configure.
If you can't get KDE's add printer to work, try pointing a web
browser at http://localhost:631/ and setting it up using CUPS's web
interface. The URL you'll want to give CUPS is "socket://192.168.1.5".
> $ telnet 192.168.1.5:631
> telnet: could not resolve 192.168.1.5:631/telnet: Name or service not
> known
The telnet program expects a space, not a colon, between the address
and port number.
e.g.,
$ telnet 192.168.1.5 631
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:51:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: Logan Five <logan5@pobox.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Network settings don't stick after reboot
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I have the latest version of Debian running on Linksys NSLU. I have it set for
a static IP and I've added a correct default gateway to my config and everything
works ok. However, when I reboot, it goes back to DHCP and the gateway route
doesn't stick. All the correct settings in the correct files but those settings
don't get read on reboot apparently. And if I do a restart of networking, the
correct settings get applied. What gives? Thanks.
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:50:06 -0400
From: Nick Lidakis <nlidakis@verizon.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to reply in the mailing lists
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Sid Arth wrote:
> Ahh you will have to excuse me, but what exactly is top posting and
> what do you mean by trimming?
> Ill try to fix it myself if I can.
>
> On 9/26/07, Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:12:50PM -0500, Sid Arth wrote:
>>
>>
>>> or any other email client. Those two do everything I need them to do.
>>>
>> Apparently they don't do any automatic proper email formating (no
>> top-posting and proper trimming). You still have to do that yourself!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrei
>> P.S. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but this thread is related to netiquette.
>> --
>>
>
>
>
I think it means your reply should be below what you are replying to.
Like I just did. It is more annoying to read replies when they are top
posted (?).
I think trimming means keeping sideburns at an acceptably trimmed level
until lamb chops are back in style, for males. Females shall keep their
runways appropriately devoid of any shoulder dandelion weeds.
End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2482
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