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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2487

Today's Topics: 

  Re: xmodmap again - not solved after  [ "s. keeling"  ]
  Re: Sound stopped working in Sid      [ Chris Lale  ]
  benelix (opensolaris) and linux in s  [ "abdelkader belahcene"  ]
  Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was  [ Johannes Wiedersich  ]
  Re: Stupid question (was Re: Repost   [ "Michael Marsh"  ]
  Re: Lenny vs. Etch + Backports        [ Andrei Popescu 

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:59:33 +0200 (CEST)
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: xmodmap again - not solved after all
Message-ID: <slrnffna9l.ll8.keeling@heretic.nucleus.com>



Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.org.uk>:

>  On 27 Sep 2007, s. keeling wrote:
> > Mumia W.. <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>:
> > >  On 09/25/2007 09:25 AM, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > > > I've twice thought I'd solved this one but no. To recap: my .xinitrc
> > > > contains the line: "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap". which has worked for many
> > > > months or even years. In the last couple of weeks the command is not
> > > 
> > >  Try this in your .bashrc:
> > > 
> > >  if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
> > 
> >    usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap
> >    if [ -f $usermodmap ]; then
> >      /usr/bin/xmodmap $usermodmap
> >    else
> 
>  Unfortunately, neither of these works for me. The problem appears to be
>  that $DISPLAY is not set. I have tried setting various values for it

If you've been expecting this to work for the console, that's your
error.  X Window defines the DISPLAY variable.  If you're not running
X, xmodmap is irrelevant.  Xmodmap is an X application.



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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:22:42 +0100
From: Chris Lale <chrislale@untrammelled.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: 432678@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Sound stopped working in Sid
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Anthony Campbell wrote (on the Debian-User list)
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg02165.html :


> On 24 Sep 2007, Chris Lale wrote:

>> Florian Kulzer wrote:
>>
>> This is probably because alsaconf is broken [1]. What version are you using? It
>> is slated to be fixed in version 1.0.14-2 [2].
>>
>> [1]
>> http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Sound_in_Debian_GNU/Linux#Some_applications_.28OSS_applications.29_produce_no_sound_in_ALSA[2]
>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg01370.html
>>

> 
> That is the version of alsa-utils I have but it doesn't fix things for
> me. However, Florian's solution does.
> 


So, apparently, alsaconf version 1.0.14-2 has not fixed these bugs (#430624,
#432678)?

-- 
Chris.


Do you need help?X

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:36:06 +0100
From: Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: xmodmap again - not solved after all
Message-ID: <20070927133606.GA14564@acampbell.org.uk>
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On 27 Sep 2007, s. keeling wrote:

> Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.org.uk>:
> >  On 27 Sep 2007, s. keeling wrote:
> > > Mumia W.. <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>:
> > > >  On 09/25/2007 09:25 AM, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > > > > I've twice thought I'd solved this one but no. To recap: my .xinitrc
> > > > > contains the line: "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap". which has worked for many
> > > > > months or even years. In the last couple of weeks the command is not
> > > > 
> > > >  Try this in your .bashrc:
> > > > 
> > > >  if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
> > > 
> > >    usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap
> > >    if [ -f $usermodmap ]; then
> > >      /usr/bin/xmodmap $usermodmap
> > >    else
> > 
> >  Unfortunately, neither of these works for me. The problem appears to be
> >  that $DISPLAY is not set. I have tried setting various values for it
> 
> If you've been expecting this to work for the console, that's your
> error.  X Window defines the DISPLAY variable.  If you're not running
> X, xmodmap is irrelevant.  Xmodmap is an X application.
> 
> 



Sorry; I didn't make myself clear. It is of course in X that I want
xmodmap to work. However, the error messages appear in the console
BEFORE I start X with startx. They say " "XMODMAP: unbound variable"
(repeated twice). With slightly different scripts I get messages saying
DISPLAY is not set. This also happens if I ssh into the computer from
outside. 

Possibly they are harmless, in which case I'll ignore them, since
xmodmap is indeed being run in X.



-- 
Anthony Campbell - ac@acampbell.org.uk 
Microsoft-free zone - Using Linux Gnu-Debian
http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, 
on-line books and sceptical articles)



Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:37:03 +0100
From: Michael C <sieverfrisch@yahoo.ie>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Lenny vs. Etch + Backports
Message-ID: <46FBB1FF.9020902@yahoo.ie>
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Hi,

After returning to Linux last year as my main desktop OS, I've been 
wanting to migrate to Debian. However, put off by the prospect of having 
to use backported security fixes on officially retired development 
branches such as Thunderbird/Icedove 1.5 (for up to two years!), I'd far 
rather be using either Testing or Backports.

Given that in any case Backports.org currently only seems to draw on 
Lenny, and that these days, security vulnerabilities fixed in Sid are 
swiftly brought over into Testing, what are the specific advantages of 
using Etch + Backports?

Regards,

Michael



Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:18:59 +0100
From: "abdelkader belahcene" <abelahcene@gmail.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: benelix (opensolaris) and linux in same disk
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Hi,
 I have Installed Belenix (an opensolaris) , on one partiton (primary
4) declared swap on linux.
 My PC runs Linux, I want to mount the solaris partiton, I tried
several type but no one is accepted. Normally it is an ufs.



How to acces to my partition.
In fact I want to edit the grub of solaris to change it, ( what have I
to put?? ) in order to run my solaris, in the menu at the boot, the
solaris line exists, the access to solaris partition is done by linux,
but the loader in solaris fails (belenix installed from CD live).

I reinstalled again, in this case I installed the solaris boot,
I got the solaris menu ( no Linux acces, this is no problem for me, I
can fix it later), I have the same problem,
here is the message:
commands should beinstead of multiboot)

kernel$ /platform/i86PC/kernel/$ISADR/unix
kernel$ /platform/i86PC/$ISADR/boot_archive

I changed the lines to that, I got the error
multiboot should be run before???

I don't underatand

PS: I installed in a machine where no linux installed, what is the relation??!!!


help please
best regards
bela
_______________



Date:  Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:30:59 -0500
From: "Hugo Vanwoerkom" <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: vmware vs. qemu for XP guest + samba
Message-ID: <fdgbah$8tf$1@sea.gmane.org>

"koffiejunkie" <koffiejunkielistlurker@koffiejunkie.za.net> wrote in message
news:46FBA50B.7030405@koffiejunkie.za.net...

> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > I had to reload new firmware to a Packard Bell AudioKey FM player

because I

> > had stupidly reformatted the vfat fs on it.
> > Problem: qemu' s USB service stinks, but it' s samba use is very good.

Could

> > not use it with the AudioKey inserted: system would hang. But it' s use

of

> > samba works out of the box.
> >
> > So: downloaded the free VMware server and installed that.
> > Its USB service is excellent (but not for USB streaming devices) so I

solved

> > the firmware problem. (But it only works if you insert the key while the
> > firmware is looking for it)
> >
> > But then I noticed that samba did not work on vmware XP but did on qemu

XP.
>

> I'm not familiar with qemu. What do you mean by "it's use of samba works
> out of the box"?  Does qemu have it's own samba server built in or
> something?

>

Qemu is a Debian package. You install it and follow the directions in the
man-page for the -smb option and when you have samba installed it just
works.
The problem as I indicated, is that -usb causes problems because of the
nature of qemu' s usb driver.



> I have samba set up on my debian box, vmware server on the same box, and
> all the VMs can see the samba shares fine.  I use either 'n private
> subnet with NAT or bridged ethernet, depending on what I'm testing.

>

> If you're using bridged, then yes, you would have to adapt your
> firewall, because the VM would connect to your external network
> interface as if it is coming from outside.  If your firewall explicitly
> deals with your primary interface, you'll get away with not having to do
> anything to it if you used a private subnet.

>
>



Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:07:23 +0100
From: Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Sound stopped working in Sid
Message-ID: <20070927140723.GD14564@acampbell.org.uk>
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On 27 Sep 2007, Chris Lale wrote:

> Anthony Campbell wrote (on the Debian-User list)
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg02165.html :
> 
> > On 24 Sep 2007, Chris Lale wrote:
> >> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> >>
> >> This is probably because alsaconf is broken [1]. What version are you using? It
> >> is slated to be fixed in version 1.0.14-2 [2].
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Sound_in_Debian_GNU/Linux#Some_applications_.28OSS_applications.29_produce_no_sound_in_ALSA[2]
> >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg01370.html
> >>
> > 
> > That is the version of alsa-utils I have but it doesn't fix things for
> > me. However, Florian's solution does.
> > 
> 
> So, apparently, alsaconf version 1.0.14-2 has not fixed these bugs (#430624,
> #432678)?
> 
> -- 
> Chris.
> 


No it hasn't. I just ran it again and it removed snd_pcm_oss.

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Campbell - ac@acampbell.org.uk 
Microsoft-free zone - Using Linux Gnu-Debian
http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, 
on-line books and sceptical articles)



Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:43:13 -0500
From: Owen Heisler <owenh000@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Stupid question (was Re: Repost of some earlier described
	"challenges")
Message-ID: <20070927144313.GB5552@owenh.hopto.org>
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On Wed, 2007.09.26 12:52, Mike McCarty wrote:

> Fedora I would not recommend to anyone not interested in
> eternally fiddling with the machine, broken interfaces,
> and churn. It's for people whose hobbies include fiddling
> with new installs and reloading.

>

> I'm not into that, either, for these large machines.
> When I finally upgrade to another release, it won't be
> FC.

>

> The reason _I_ installed FC was that I got an employment
> contract, and was requested to build up a machine which
> could dual boot WinXP and FC for test on multiple platforms.
> Due to inertia and general laziness, I have not moved from
> FC2, which in FC terms is REALLY ANCIENT.

>

> I don't like it, but I also don't like reloading. :-)


I started using Linux with FC2 (or FC3 maybe) and was just thrilled with it
(with Linux, really).  Then I got annoyed with FC's bleeding edge software =
and
also decided that I shouldn't have to reinstall every 6 months in order to =
stay
current.  That's when I started using Debian (and was thrilled all over aga=
in).
Now reinstalling is unnecessary and I can get as close to the bleeding edge=
 as=20
I want by using whichever distribution (stable, testing, or unstable).

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:33:03 +0200
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 09/27/07 01:58, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

>> Steve Lamb wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>     To my mind the fact that I said it would be nice to have versioning that
>>> worked with OOo, Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines implied that OOo,
>>> Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines were not on the table for replacement.
>> You are aware that this mail of yours is the first and only one in the
>> whole thread that ever mentioned "Freemind" or "Storylines"? You never
>> stated that these were your requirements.

> 
> His original post *did* mention them.


Sorry for this lapse of mine. I searched the thread for the terms
"Freemind" and "Storylines" as they appear in the later mail. In the
first mail they were called "Mindmap" and "Writer's Cafe" instead.

Johannes
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:44:08 -0400
From: Nick Lidakis <nlidakis@verizon.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Newbie help with simple C program, USB device under Debian
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Kevin Mark wrote:
>

> Please refrain from your attacks. 'Be nice to folks' is a general rule.
> Insulting folks about background, sexual orientation, or language IN ON=

E

> POST is beyond the pale. While folks here ocasssionaly make slight
> taunts or comments at one another, it is expected that newcomers refrai=

n

> from this behavior for a while until you become familar with the norms
> on this list. Also, if you want volunteers help, especially on an
> (off-topic) OT issue like getting a c program to compile on Debian, you
> should be sugar sweet, not nitric acid. =B4on-topic' would normally be
> 'installing debian packages','upgrading distros', 'apt/dpkg/aptitude
> problems','video card or network issue'. Someone compiling a usb
> datalogging device program is usually someone who knows something about
> Gnu/Linux, software compiling and hardware hacking. If you do not, then
> you need someones help, that would be the nice volunteers here. we get
> zero dollars for helping you, the least we expect is kindness.
> cheers,
> Kev
>  =20

Your right. My apologies to Oleg and the list.

Sincerely,

Nick


Do you need more help?X

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:08:18 -0400
From: "Michael Marsh" <michael.a.marsh@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Stupid question (was Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges")
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On 9/27/07, Owen Heisler <owenh000@gmail.com> wrote:

> I started using Linux with FC2 (or FC3 maybe) and was just thrilled with it
> (with Linux, really).  Then I got annoyed with FC's bleeding edge software and
> also decided that I shouldn't have to reinstall every 6 months in order to stay
> current.  That's when I started using Debian (and was thrilled all over again).
> Now reinstalling is unnecessary and I can get as close to the bleeding edge as
> I want by using whichever distribution (stable, testing, or unstable).


I left Red Hat (pre-Fedora) because with each release they decided I
needed fewer and fewer of the programs I relied on, like my window
manager, or xlock.  With Debian, I have hardly any locally compiled
packages.  With very few exceptions, it's all just *there*.

-- 
Michael A. Marsh
http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh
http://mamarsh.blogspot.com
http://36pints.blogspot.com

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:32:50 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: DSL setup under Debian ETCH
Message-ID: <20070927153249.GA3172@think.homenet>
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:38:16PM -0700, Khurram Pirzada wrote:

> Thanks,

>=20

> Its ZTE DSL ethernet modem, model ZXDSL 831D, and its PPPoE setup. Actual=

ly its my

> first time ever to try to setup DSL under ANY Linux.


I don't know much about your model since I have an Alcatel, but after a=20
quick glance in google it seems yours is not much different. AFAICT=20
those modems have integrated just about everything (firewall, NAT, DHCP=20
server, ...), including a web interface for nice configuration. You just=20
need to point my browser to its IP (factory default seems to be=20
192.168.1.1) and you should be able to configure everything, including=20
username and password for the PPPoE connection.  There is usually also a=20
"bridge mode", where the modem just works as a bridge and I have to=20
setup everything in my computer. I think the first option is simpler.

Regards,
Andrei
P.S. Please use reply (but send your mails only to the list) in order to=20
keep the threading intact
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:37:27 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: udev and automounting
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 01:50:11PM +0200, Dan H wrote:

> Hello,

>=20

> I'm really having trouble getting my head around udev and udev rules for =

removeable USB devices. When I plug in my USB stick, it automounts under /m=
edia/sda1. What I don't like is that I have to "su" to write to the stick a=
nd to unmount it again, so this automounting is pretty useless. I've tried =
to decipher the files under /etc/udev to find the rule that actually mounts=
 stuff, but grepping for "mount" just shows me some unmounting detail in a =
file called "hal.rules".
>=20

> What I'd like is:

>=20

> 1. Automounting USB mass storage devices under some unique name determined
>    by the label of the partition

>=20

> 2. Write access and unmounting by normal user.

>=20

> I've seen this work transparently under Gnome and KDE, but I use fvwm or =

no X at all so that's no option for me.
=20
The package usbmount might be what you need.

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:42:05 -0700
From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> Steve Lamb wrote:
> [snip]

>>     To my mind the fact that I said it would be nice to have versionin=
g that
>> worked with OOo, Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines implied that OO=
o,
>> Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines were not on the table for replac=
ement.


> You are aware that this mail of yours is the first and only one in the
> whole thread that ever mentioned "Freemind" or "Storylines"? You never
> stated that these were your requirements.


    Ok, look at the subject line.  It reads, "OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX=

(Was: Tool for document management)".  That means, in order:
Off-Topic
"Choice of OOo and LaTex"
Previous Was
Tool for document management.

    I started the branch because I felt it was straying sufficiently from=
 the
main topic.  I did so in MSGID <46F91B8B.8000507@dmiyu.org>.  You can rea=
d it
here: <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg02387.html>

    But that's not the first message I posted since it was a split from
another thread titled "Tool for document management" which *I* started no=
t
only here but on the Ubuntu list.  That MSGID is <46CC55C3.8000202@dmiyu.=
org>
and can be seen here: <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg020=
53.html>

    You'll note that I am the original poster and that my third requireme=
nt,
verbatim, was this:
"o handle non-text data as well as some textual data.  The main file that=

is going to change most often is an OOo document (odt).  I'll also be sto=
ring
any related files including Mindmap files (mm) and Writer's Cafe files."

    The fourth requirement was this:
"o version might be nice in case I want to back out of large portions of =
the
document or refer to previous verbage I had removed and want to reconside=
r."

    So no, Johannes, I am quite aware of what I originally wrote and what=
 my
original requirements are.  The only difference is that I mistakenly call=
ed
Freemind Mindmap.  However it is mind mapping software and I did later co=
rrect
myself.


> I find it very amusing, that you find it amusing that other people can'=

t

> read your mind. It amazing how efficient technology is nowadays in
> carrying your ideas quickly over the Atlantic; all you have to do is
> this: type them into an e-mail. Don't expect that they float without
> this little effort. ;-)


    I think the URLs posted above clearly show that I did make the effort=
 and
that I was not expecting people to do anything more than reading an email=
=2E
While I do not expect people to read every message of mine and do underst=
and
people will jump in in the middle of a conversation I do expect the court=
esy
of them doing their homework prior to calling me a liar on something I di=
d or
did not claim to say.  I am by and large an honest person and don't go ar=
ound
intentionally misrepresenting what I have or have not said previously.

--=20
         Steve C. Lamb         | But who decides what they dream?
       PGP Key: 8B6E99C5       |   And dream I do...
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:43:11 +0300
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Lenny vs. Etch + Backports
Message-ID: <20070927154311.GC3172@think.homenet>
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 02:37:03PM +0100, Michael C wrote:

> Hi,

>

> After returning to Linux last year as my main desktop OS, I've been wanti=

ng=20

> to migrate to Debian. However, put off by the prospect of having to use=

=20

> backported security fixes on officially retired development branches such=

=20

> as Thunderbird/Icedove 1.5 (for up to two years!), I'd far rather be usin=

g=20

> either Testing or Backports.

>

> Given that in any case Backports.org currently only seems to draw on Lenn=

y,=20

> and that these days, security vulnerabilities fixed in Sid are swiftly=20
> brought over into Testing, what are the specific advantages of using Etch=

 +=20

> Backports?


Take this with a grain of salt as I'm a sid user, but I think as long as=20
all the new software you need is Icedove, stable+backports should be=20
better.  If you find you are installing a significant amount of software=20
=66rom backports (or just don't find what you need) maybe you should=20
consider testing, but don't expect everything to Just Work (TM).

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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