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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2489

Today's Topics: 

  Re: SELinux Suggestion                [ Michelle Konzack 

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:54:40 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: SELinux Suggestion


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Am 2007-09-22 00:00:09, schrieb Mumia W..:

> It probably is good technology. But I think it should be good=20
> technology--elsewhere.


>=20

> Including SElinux in Debian is not like including tuxracer. Too much of=

=20

> the core security parts of Debian have to be changed to accommodate SElin=

ux.


>=20

> If I want SElinux, I should get Redhat or Fedora. But I use Debian, and=

=20

> I'd like to be SElinux-free here.
Do you need help?X

Sorry, I do not like Redhat/Fedora since updateing of HA-Servers is a mess.
I no use Debian sind over 8 years and I am "Debian GNU/Linux Consultant"
and have installes Debian on over 4000 Computers since 1999.



Debian SElinux-free would be one of the biggest errors in the history of
Debian.  I am reals sure, that there are MORE serverinstallations as
Workstations based on Debian.


> Manoj said that SElinux is not yet fully integrated into Debian, and I=20
> think that's good because it gives us time to re-evaluate if we need=20
> SElinux, and I hope we can re-evaluate it out of Debian.

Forget it, I think, even if Manoj is already working on a SElinux enforced
distribution, all of his work should be go into Debian GNU/Linux.



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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:54:45 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: The arp command for deleting all arp entries..
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Am 2007-09-21 17:05:51, schrieb S t i n g r a y:

> I want to have a script load the arp table from a file for which i will u=

se arp -f <filename> command, how ever first i want to clear the already ex=
isiting  dynamic entries in cache.

> Can anyone tell me the command for it ?

>=20

> regards
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AFAIK arp.  :-)


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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:54:49 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Installing Debian from partition image
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What about installing one Computer and the taring the whole
installation and burn it with a Minimal-Distro on a CD/DVD.



Then booting those CD, untaring the tarbal in the newly crated
partitions and writing the bootloader into it?



I do this for over 4000 installations... for which i need only
210 different CD's for my customers.



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    Michelle Konzack


    Systemadministrator


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Am 2007-09-22 12:57:19, schrieb Masatran, R. Deepak:

> I need to install Debian on twenty computers, for desktop use. I intend
> making a partition image, and restoring the partition image on the twenty
> computers. And Gilles Mocellin had suggested using DSH when it is necessa=

ry

> to run a command on all computers.
>=20


> Installing the partition from the Debian 4.0r0 multi-arch DVD, without any
> updates to it, will allow easy replication, since the DVD is widely
> available, right?
>=20


> I haven't created/installed from partition image before. Are there any
> pitfalls that I need to be careful of?
>=20


> I am looking at Mondo Rescue, and PartImage. Which of these is better for
> this task?
>=20


> I looked at Beowulf, but it appears to be too much work. Is there any easy
> way of making a computer cluster out of these computers that have already
> been purchased?


>=20

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:54:54 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux?


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Am 2007-09-22 11:29:09, schrieb Douglas A. Tutty:

> I run a bunch of old machines. =20
>=20


> Now that SELinux is integrated (compiled in) to various pieces of
> Debian, is there a penalty even if its not activated?
>=20


> Thanks,


>=20

> Doug.
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Since SElinux is NOT ACTIVATED by default, there is NO PENALTY.



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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:54:58 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux?


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Am 2007-09-24 10:01:12, schrieb David Brodbeck:

> Same basic problem, I think.  To apply security patches you have to =20
> recompile.  To recompile, you have to use GCC, which is a resource =20
> hog.  You'd get old and die waiting for "make world" to finish on a =20
> machine with 64 megs of RAM.
>=20


> One solution, if there are faster machines on the LAN, might be to =20
> use distcc.  But then you're not "really" stand-alone.
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But you know, that you can get NetBSD as binary distribution like Debian?



I was runnin NetBSD before starting with Debian in 1999-04 and as you
know, "Don't touch a runing system!"  --  Mean, my 386dx33 (16MB or ram)
is running as DCF-77 (it is an ISA card) receiver plus "ntpd" for my
local network since over 9 years now and was never hacked....



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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:55:02 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux?


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Am 2007-09-24 18:16:32, schrieb Mike McCarty:

> I beg to differ. One of the "selling points" of DSL is that
> it has a small RAM footprint. I have run it on a 486 with
> 16MB of RAM.

I was runnin Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Slink on a Tohiba T1950CT
with a 486dx50 and 12 MByte of Ram.



in 2005 I have up graded to Woody with Linux 2.4 and it war working fine


> Yes, there is that. Part of it is that we live in a "throw away"
> world these days. What benefit expending effort keeping old machines
> going, when people want the newer faster ones, anyway?

:-)  --  You are owner of a Museum.



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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:55:47 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux?


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Am 2007-09-23 11:14:57, schrieb Douglas A. Tutty:

> On small systems, what about the penalty of just larger binaries?  I
> have some older boxes with 16-64 MB ram. =20

>=20

> Doug.
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Look at <http://www.ebay.com/> to get FPM's for your old 486
machines or faster EDO's for the Pentium 1.



I have 486 machines running too, but not a singel one has less
then 64 MBytes...



(MSI MS-4144 with each four USR Courier I-Modems on ISA-Slots)



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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:55:52 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux?


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Hi John and *,



Am 2007-09-23 20:08:04, schrieb John Hasler:

> consultores writes:
> > The real problem with SELinux is that it come from a really well known
> > untrusted organization around the globe...

>=20

> Has it occurred to you that if NSA wanted to slip a backdoor into Linux a=

nd

> thought that they could slip it past all the prying eyes that they just
> might be intelligent enough to do it by planting a mole among the kernel
> developers?  Better get started on doing background checks on all of them!
>=20


> BTW what are you doing that you believe would interest the NSA?  If I had
> such secrets I wouldn't store them on any computer (and I certainly
> wouldn't express my fears on a public mailing list).
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:55:57 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux?


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Am 2007-09-24 17:26:01, schrieb Ron Johnson:

> On 09/24/07 15:46, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > But if you're worried that the NSA is targeting you, you've got a lot of
> > more serious concerns.  Your monitor is radiating signals that can be
> > picked up and decoded.


>=20

> Even LCD monitors?

YES.  Even follow-org of the KGB is using a simpel Videocamera and
filming the lightchange of your room where you are workng with your
computer and then us a special program to reconstruct the images of
your Computers Desktop...



Do not think, they are idiots


> Shielded TP?

You need a EMP-Secured Environement...


> > Internet connection is easy to tap.


>=20

> GPG?


Right, but conection to the Internet is violation the EMP-Policy.


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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:56:03 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux?


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Am 2007-09-24 22:16:02, schrieb Mumia W..:

> However, the dependency upon SElinux is more recent. There may be time=20
> to remove it before it becomes too entrenched and before its tentacles=20
> probe too deeply into Debian.
>=20


> I hope it's not too late. I wish I'd educated myself about SELinux=20
> earlier, and I wish I could've participated in the discussions about=20
> SElinux in Debian. I believe that if more Debian users were aware of the=

=20

> radical nature of SElinux, its complexity and the number of core=20
> libraries and utilities that would have to be changed to accommodate it,=

=20

> SElinux's entry into Debian could have been averted.
>=20


> Now we are in the unfortunate position of having to convince the=20
> maintainer of SElinux to advocate for the removal of his baby from his=20
> O/S. :-(
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It seems you have no clue about "What SElinux is".



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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:56:08 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux?


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Am 2007-09-25 03:11:39, schrieb Mike McCarty:

> It would take more than just kernel, of course. I am investigating
> LFS. Gentoo seems to have accepted SELinux as well, though since
> it is a source distro most of the work would be easier in that
> case, perhaps.

And where is the problem with Debian?


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Build a small environement where you can rebuild a bunch Debian packages
at once, where you build first all packages which had the SElinux patches.



Then install a minimal Dbian-Repository where you have the WHOLE base
and the SELinux-Patched packages replaced by your own packages.=20



Since I ned sometimes (72 packages) special options enabled, I have build
such environement which autobuild the new (in general stable) packages if
they appear in the Debian security repository.



Then my customers do not use the official Debian-Repositories but my own.



So, no tell me where the problem is?



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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:56:13 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: ls sort order: new, bad, behaviour
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Am 2007-09-24 02:44:13, schrieb Eric d'Alibut:

> On 9/24/07, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
>=20


> > Jeez, this has been a bad computer day for me.
>=20


> > ls listings are just like Steve's.
>=20


> I'm back to my figment of the imagination idea: this phantom
> dirs-first ls listing is a delusion produced by too much mc use.
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Do you need more help?X

Maybe you should write a wraper for ls which do it?



Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Systemadministrator


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant




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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:56:18 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Debian may lose a user


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Am 2007-09-25 10:11:36, schrieb Mike Bird:

> On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote:
> (big snip)
> > Anyway, that's it, FWIW.
>=20


> Long message wth no specifics.  No way to help you.

>=20

> --Mike Bird
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Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Systemadministrator


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant




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