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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2490

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Debian may lose a user            [ Michelle Konzack  ]
  Re: Repost of some earlier described  [ Mike McCarty  ]
  Re: Penalty of SELinux?               [ David Brodbeck 

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:56:23 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Debian may lose a user


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Am 2007-09-25 12:36:11, schrieb Mike McCarty:

> I wasn't asking for help. I'm telling you that due to
> perceived lack of help, a user is leaving (or at least
> it seems to me that she will).
Do you need help?X

You have not ask for helb but wining


> At the time the problems were first reported, details were provided.

Do you have asked the list about it?


You have not provided any Bug# to catch what happen there...



Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Systemadministrator


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant




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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:56:27 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Debian may lose a user


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Am 2007-09-25 14:21:35, schrieb Hal Vaughan:

> That's an interesting point: We hear a description of someone that=20
> basically wants, for free, everything people pay hundreds of dollars=20
> for.  Sometimes it's easy to forget that open source software companies=

=20

> often give away the software but make their earnings on support.

>=20

> Oh, wait.  Debian isn't a company.  It's a non-profit organization.  But=

=20

> there are Debian based distros that one can buy support for, like=20
> Ubuntu.  Even without buying support, the Ubunut forums are good places=

=20

> to get help.

You do not need forcement a Debian based distro since there are enough
Debian GNU/Linux Consultants arround the world.  And professionel help
(for hard Euros) you can get in Strasbourg from me...  :-)


> what they get.  Oddly enough, I find a lot of people complain more=20
> about something they get for free than something they pay for.
Can't find what you're looking for?X

FullACK!  --  There are too many peoples, expecting to get the FULL
BLOWN support for free.  I have a family where 3 of my 4 girls are in
an Internat which must be payed (3000 Euro/month)...




Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Systemadministrator


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant




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Don't know where to look next?X

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:56:42 +0200


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Debian may lose a user


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Am 2007-09-25 20:33:33, schrieb Martin Marcher:

> Hello,
>=20


> I'm interested in the job offer you posted on
> debian-user@lists.debian.org. I have several years of experience in
> Desktop and Server systems with debian and other linux distributions.
>=20


> I charge by the hour, every started hour is normally EUR 50. Contact
> me privately if you are interested.
>=20


> I also do have some offers if you expect a larger volume of support
> calls. If you'd like to receive more info on that just add a note.
>=20


> Best regards
> martin
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Are you already registered at <http://www.debian.org/consultants> ?



I am and have a nice bunch of customers in and arround Strasbourg...



Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Systemadministrator


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant



Confused? Frustrated?X

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:00:51 -0500


From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

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Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 01:06:06PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
>  
>> As I said, I'm going to try using the direct CUPS I/F tonight
>> when I go over there. At present, I'm about 15 miles from
>> the computer, so it's problematic to try stuff out :-)
>>


> 
> Have you considered a dial-up modem and setting up mgetty with auto-ppp?
> Then you can dial-in to get a CLI or ppp in and do ssh -X and run her X
> apps.

The thought has rattled around in the back of my brain a couple
of times. We'd need two modems, of course. It just seems like
any given problem is easier to handle when I go over there.
I regularly am there on Wed night and over weekends. So...


Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

Mike

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:29:30 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: hp psc driver question
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 11:53:44AM +0200, steef wrote:

> hi,

>

> cups gives a driver for the hp-printer psc (all in one) 2500. does anybod=

y=20

> know if this driver works also for the hp psc 2575?


according to:

http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/inkjet_aio.html

its not (not listed) but since all the listed PSC's are supported as
of version .9.5 and sid's got 1.6.blah I think you're good to go.=20

Note that google provides several hits that claim this printer works
as well.=20

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:14:06 -0500
From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?
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Mike McCarty wrote:

Thanks all for the advice and help with this. I went over
to her house a little early yesterday, and walked up to
her machine, which had the customary blank screen. I tapped
the "left shift" key, and poised to enter the password
into the screen saver, when I was greeted by the login screen
of Windows XP.

When she got home, I explained that there were several
things I had been given advice to try, and asked what
precipitated the install.

She smiled wryly, and stated that she has a digital camera
which writes CDROMS. She put the CDROM into the machine,
and Debian only recognized it as being unwritten.

I commented that she probably needed to do something to the
disc with the camera to "finalize" the current session on
the disc.

Well, she said that it was the proverbial straw that broke
the camel's back, and she opened up the OEM version of XP
she had bought, and installed.

After she did that, and set up a few accounts, she tried
the disc, and...

XP couldn't use it either, of course. It wanted to "format" it.

So she went looking for the camera manual, which she couldn't
find, but found on the web, and it said what I told her.

She put the CDROM back into the camera, finalized the open
session, put the CDROM back into the computer, and XP found
it just fine. I'm sure Debian would have done so as well.

She claims she didn't blow away the Debian partitions. I commented
that about 30 seconds more effort lifting the MBR off of there
would have made it much easier to make Debian still bootable
using the XP bootloader.

Anyway, unless I want to make a hobby of making that machine
able to boot Debian, and fiddling with it just to see if it
could have been made to work, I'm afraid Debian is pretty
much gone on this machine. Even if I make the machine dual
boot, I wonder just how often it actually would get booted
to Debian. Her plan is to use Knoppix to move her mail files
etc. from the Debian partition to an external FAT drive,
and then reboot Windows and import.

Mike
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:18:53 +0200
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Lenny vs. Etch + Backports
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Michael C wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> After returning to Linux last year as my main desktop OS, I've been
> wanting to migrate to Debian. However, put off by the prospect of having
> to use backported security fixes on officially retired development
> branches such as Thunderbird/Icedove 1.5 (for up to two years!), I'd far
> rather be using either Testing or Backports.
> 
> Given that in any case Backports.org currently only seems to draw on
> Lenny, and that these days, security vulnerabilities fixed in Sid are
> swiftly brought over into Testing, what are the specific advantages of
> using Etch + Backports?


I am not sure if I understand correctly: What are your objections
against debian's way of security fixes?

The advantage of etch is that it is 'stable'. If you want/need more
recent software and like to discover bugs and help to get them sorted
out, you could use 'testing' or unstable. Those also require more
upgrading and more work on your part.

The advantage of backports.org is that it provides more recent versions
of some software packages. If you want a 'stable' system, but require a
more recent version of one or a few packages take them from backports.

If icedove and firefox/iceweasel are your only concern, I would stick to
stable (+ backports, but only if that it is really important to you).

HTH,

Johannes
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:22:28 -0500
From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux?
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Michelle Konzack wrote:

> Am 2007-09-25 03:11:39, schrieb Mike McCarty:

>> It would take more than just kernel, of course. I am investigating
>> LFS. Gentoo seems to have accepted SELinux as well, though since
>> it is a source distro most of the work would be easier in that
>> case, perhaps.

> 
> And where is the problem with Debian?


I didn't say there was a problem with Debian. If I'm going to go
to extra effort to be able to control what is on my machine,
I'm going to have to load another distro. I don't currently have
Debian on my machine, so it makes more sense to switch to a
distro which has goals closer to my own.

[snip]

Mike
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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:23:14 +0200
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Missing files in locatedb
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Victor Munoz wrote:

> Hello. Today I found a very strange problem. Some files seem to be
> missing from locatedb database. 


[snip]


> I don't understand. Does any?


Try running 'updatedb' as root manually and check if this helps.

Johannes
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:26:10 +1000
From: "Robert Parker" <rlp1938@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Printer Driver Brother on new Lenny installation (Solved sort of)
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I have a working printer now.

Unfortunately I was not able to get it going in Gnome in spite of
installing the driver from
http://www.profv.de/brother/ and also all available packages using
"foomatic-filters-ppds"

The solution finally was just to install KDE. The kde printer
configuration presented me with similar or maybe identical choices to
those offered in Kubuntu, and like the Kubuntu system the printer has
just worked.


Regards
Bob Parker.



Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:34:44 -0500
From: Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net>
To: Debian user list <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"
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Mike McCarty wrote:

> These have (nearly) all been posted before, but some have requested
> that they be reposted.


[snip]

Well, the story is under the thread about GNOME and multiple
queues on printers.

Thanks all for the helpful comments and such.

Michelle, I believe we've met before. You jumped into the
middle of a longish thread, and started making pejorative
comments right away. You might consider that.

Mike
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Oppose globalization and One World Governments like the UN.
This message made from 100% recycled bits.
You have found the bank of Larn.
I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.
I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!


Do you need help?X

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:43:14 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Missing files in locatedb
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On 09/27/07 12:38, Victor Munoz wrote:

> Hello. Today I found a very strange problem. Some files seem to be
> missing from locatedb database. 
> 
> It all started with one particular file I wanted to find. But 'locate
> <word>' didn't find the file I was looking for. I went to the
> directory it was supposed to be, and there it was!
> 
> I have a cron job to updatedb every night. In fact:
> 
> $ ls -l /var/cache/locate/
> total 7020
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7173582 2007-09-27 06:26 locatedb
> 
> So it seems to be in order. The file I wanted was created in August. So?
> 
> In fact, none the files in this directory is in the database!
> 
> In case you're curious, the directory is named
> 
> ~/textos/fisica/departamento_fisica/departamento
> 
> In /etc/updatedb.conf, there is the following line:
> 
> PRUNEPATHS="/tmp /usr/tmp /var/tmp /afs /amd /alex /var/spool /sfs /media"
> 
> So I don't think updatedb should omit this directory. In fact, none of
> the files in any subdirectory of ~/textos/fisica/departamento_fisica/
> is indexed!
> 
> I've made some random search of files in other directories, and they
> seem indexed. In fact files in ~/textos itself are indexed. 
> 
> Some files in the original problematic directory have permissions
> -rw------- (does updatedb respect this), but the file I was looking
> for in the first place has read permissions for all.
> 
> I don't understand. Does any?


When were these files created?

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:48:21 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: "Debian-user (debian help)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux?
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On Sep 27, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote:


> Am 2007-09-24 10:01:12, schrieb David Brodbeck:

>> Same basic problem, I think.  To apply security patches you have to
>> recompile.  To recompile, you have to use GCC, which is a resource
>> hog.  You'd get old and die waiting for "make world" to finish on a
>> machine with 64 megs of RAM.
>>
>> One solution, if there are faster machines on the LAN, might be to
>> use distcc.  But then you're not "really" stand-alone.

> ------------------------- END OF REPLIED MESSAGE  
> -------------------------

>

> But you know, that you can get NetBSD as binary distribution like  
> Debian?


Yes, I do.  But last I knew they only distributed security patches  
(between distribution releases) as source code, so if you want the  
latest fixes you have to compile from source.  It's possible this  
changed -- I still run FreeBSD, but I haven't looked at NetBSD lately.

On the plus side, security fixes to the base system are fairly  
uncommon in *BSD -- since FreeBSD 6.2 was released in January, there  
have only been six of them, for example.



Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:51:04 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: "Debian-user (debian help)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Tool for document management
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On Sep 26, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote:


> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:31:32 -0400, Douglas A Tutty
> <dtutty@porchlight.ca> said:

>
>> Here's my personal letter template. ...

> --8<---------------cut here------------letter_template------------- 
> >8---


Thanks, those give me a nice starting point.

LaTeX is really a godsend for geeks like me with poor artistic  
skills.  It gives me a set of nice, safe, acceptable-looking layouts  
so I don't have to worry about fonts and margins.  I no longer long  
for the days when it was acceptable to buzz something out in 12-point  
Elite on a 9-pin dot matrix printer and tear off the tractor feed  
strips. ;)



Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:06:52 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 01:00:51PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:

> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 01:06:06PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
>> =20
>>> As I said, I'm going to try using the direct CUPS I/F tonight
>>> when I go over there. At present, I'm about 15 miles from
>>> the computer, so it's problematic to try stuff out :-)
>>>
>> Have you considered a dial-up modem and setting up mgetty with auto-ppp?
>> Then you can dial-in to get a CLI or ppp in and do ssh -X and run her X
>> apps.
>

> The thought has rattled around in the back of my brain a couple
> of times. We'd need two modems, of course. It just seems like
> any given problem is easier to handle when I go over there.
> I regularly am there on Wed night and over weekends. So...

>

never pass up an opportunity to go to the gf's house, even if she is
being a stinker... ;)

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:08:54 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 01:14:06PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:

> Mike McCarty wrote:

>

> Thanks all for the advice and help with this. I went over

=2E..

> Windows XP.


=2E..
snipped tale of the death of a free computer... and a fantastic
anecdote in support of RTFM!
=2E..

>

> Anyway, unless I want to make a hobby of making that machine
> able to boot Debian, and fiddling with it just to see if it
> could have been made to work, I'm afraid Debian is pretty
> much gone on this machine. Even if I make the machine dual
> boot, I wonder just how often it actually would get booted
> to Debian. Her plan is to use Knoppix to move her mail files
> etc. from the Debian partition to an external FAT drive,
> and then reboot Windows and import.

>

how ironic that she will be using a debian derivative to get her
windows installation into a state she wants.=20

What can I say Mike, we tried.=20

cheers

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Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:12:50 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: bash, xbindkeys and dual screen
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 12:44:32PM -0400, Nguyen, Cuong K. wrote:
>
>> You're probably right that the DISPLAY is always :0.0. You need another=
=20
>> way to toggle between 0 and 1. Try this:
>>
>> #!/bin/bash
>> swfile=3D/tmp/sw-file
>> if [ ! -f $swfile ]; then echo 0 > $swfile ; fi
>> echo $(( ! `cat $swfile` )) > $swfile
>> echo exec switchscreen `cat $swfile`
>>
>> Note that I just echo-ed the command because I don't have switchscreen=
=20
>> installed. The $(( ... )) syntax allows you to evaluate mathematical=20
>> expressions. Read "man bash"
>>
>> HTH
>>

> Works perfectly! Thanks HTH :)


Cuong, I'm curious, running dual-screen myself, about your setup. I am
running xinerama and that combines my two screens into one large
one. The mouse flows effortlessly from one to the other. I find it
works very well with a tiling WM (wmii here) and just love it. What do
you find to be the advantages/disadvantages to have two truly separate
screens?


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