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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2499

Today's Topics: 

  Re: efficiency of windows managers    [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: rescue bootable cd ???            [ Bill Thompson  ]
  Re: rescue bootable cd ???            [ Bill Thompson  ]
  Re: rescue bootable cd ???            [ helices  ]
  Re: Nspluginwrapper on AMD64          [ "Sridhar M.A."  ]
  Re: rescue bootable cd ???            [ Owen Heisler  ]
  Re: bash, xbindkeys and dual screen   [ "Nguyen, Cuong K."  ]
  Re: what packages do you reccomend t  [ Wei Wang  ]
  Re: what packages do you reccomend t  [ Kevin Mark  ]
  Re: soekris net5501 and vpn14[01]1    [ Kevin Mark  ]
  Re: what packages do you reccomend t  [ Wei Wang  ]
  Re: Does lilo still have a limit on   [ "Mumia W.." 

Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:36:46 -0500


From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: efficiency of windows managers

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On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote:


[snip]

> 
> Yeah, will do if I have the time.  But at the moment I'm very happy
> with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff). :)

What's the benefit of transparency?



  •   --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA



Do you need help?X

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!


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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:18:26 -0700


From: Bill Thompson <Billt@Mahagonny.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: rescue bootable cd ???

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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:18:01 -0700


From: Bill Thompson <Mahagonny@Speakeasy.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: rescue bootable cd ???

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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:27:02 -0500


helices <helices@helices.org> wrote:


Do you need more help?X
> What do you do?
> 

If you are looking at just recovering a system that won't boot, you
don't need a specific Debian disk to do it. I usually carry a copy of
the System Rescue CD (http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page). It has all
of the tools I need to recover a downed system. If I need to work on
the Debian system itself, I mount the drive and chroot into the
partition. Once there I can su to root so that I am using the proper
Debian environment, run apt-get to update software, and test the
configuration of any of the installed services or utilities.



Why re-invent the wheel?



Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:40:04 -0700


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: efficiency of windows managers
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On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 06:21:31PM -0400, Manu Hack wrote:

> On 9/27/07, Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
> >
> > its probably got more to do with memory *use* than management. By that
> > I mean, you may end up wasting memory by using kde apps within a
> > different wm. The kde apps will load up whole bunches of kde libs in
> > order to function in addition to the libs used by whatever wm you're
> > using. You haven't said what your 10-15 windows are doing, so I'm only
> > guessing. Also, it what ways does kde perform better than windowmaker?
> > is it in overall response of the system? screen drawing? window
> > dragging? just switching from one app to another within the same
> > workspace?
>=20


> More windows are pretty standard, like gaim, iceweasel, icedove,
> xchat, amule, etc.  The thing happened is that whenever I need to move
> to a workspace with more than 3 windows already there, it takes
> seconds to "reload"
Can't find what you're looking for?X

that sounds like either you're swapping or some problem with X
itself. Again, watch top and see what process is spiking during that
time and maybe you can narrow it down.



> and always give me a window on top which is not
> previous on the top.=20

that's a WM problem for sure.



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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:43:00 -0400


From: "Manu Hack" <manuhack@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: efficiency of windows managers

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On 9/28/07, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:

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> On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > Yeah, will do if I have the time.  But at the moment I'm very happy
> > with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff). :)

>

> What's the benefit of transparency?

Not much.  And I'm not saying xfce4.4 is good only because of the transparency.



Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:25:03 -0500


From: helices <helices@helices.org>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: rescue bootable cd ???


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  •   Bill Thompson <Billt@Mahagonny.com> [2007:09:28:16:18:26-0700] scribed:

    > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:27:02 -0500
    > helices <helices@helices.org> wrote:
    
>=20

    > > What do you do?
    > >=20
    
>=20

    > If you are looking at just recovering a system that won't boot, you
    > don't need a specific Debian disk to do it. I usually carry a copy of
    > the System Rescue CD (http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page). It has all
    > of the tools I need to recover a downed system. If I need to work on
    > the Debian system itself, I mount the drive and chroot into the
    > partition. Once there I can su to root so that I am using the proper
    > Debian environment, run apt-get to update software, and test the
    > configuration of any of the installed services or utilities.
    
>=20

    > Why re-invent the wheel?

Well, because the two (2) systems on which I have experienced these --
to me -- insurmountable boot problems were running lvm on top of
software raid 5.  I was NOT able to get to the root filesystem files
using debian rescue cd nor knoppix.  Both times this happened, it had
something to do with initramfs; but, after many, many days of struggle,
it became easier to rebuild from scratch, and to restore specifics on
top of that from tape.


Confused? Frustrated?X

What am I missing?



--=20


Best Regards,



helices


-


Dare to fix things before they break . . .
-


Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much
we think we know.  The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . .

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Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:06:20 +0530
From: "Sridhar M.A." <mas@mylug.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Nspluginwrapper on AMD64
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On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 10:43:43AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
   > 
   > The two related bugs in the BTS seem to be about "experimental" versions
   > of flashplugin-nonfree. Which version are you trying to install? Version
   > 9.0.48.0.2 works fine on my Sid/amd64 system, without any need for a
   > 32bit chroot.
   > 
Sorry for replying late.

Since, I am tracking sid, I have the latest version of
flashplugin-nonfree on the system (9.0.48.0.2).

   > This statement is a bit confusing. Did you install flashplayer in a
   > 32bit chroot or not? 
   > 
I installed flashplayer-nonfree which pulled in
install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz from macromedia.com

   > No, the dependency is satisfied because util-linux provides linux32:
   > 
My bad. Should have looked at Provides of util-linux more clearly.

I purged nspluginwrapper and flashplugin-nonfree and installed them
again. Here is the final result:

<snip>
Download done.
Flash Plugin installed.
/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: cannot execute binary file
nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 flashplugin-nonfree
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.2) ...
Installing from local file /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
Flash Plugin installed.
/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: cannot execute binary file
nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 flashplugin-nonfree

Am I missing something in the installation chain that is causing this? 

Regards,

-- 
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Whoever would lie usefully should lie seldom.



Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:40:03 -0500
From: Owen Heisler <owenh000@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: rescue bootable cd ???
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On Fri, 2007.09.28 21:25, helices wrote:

> Bill Thompson <Billt@Mahagonny.com> [2007:09:28:16:18:26-0700] scribed:
> > If you are looking at just recovering a system that won't boot, you
> > don't need a specific Debian disk to do it. I usually carry a copy of
> > the System Rescue CD (http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page). It has all
> > of the tools I need to recover a downed system. If I need to work on
> > the Debian system itself, I mount the drive and chroot into the
> > partition. Once there I can su to root so that I am using the proper
> > Debian environment, run apt-get to update software, and test the
> > configuration of any of the installed services or utilities.
> >=20
> > Why re-invent the wheel?

>=20

> Well, because the two (2) systems on which I have experienced these --
> to me -- insurmountable boot problems were running lvm on top of
> software raid 5.  I was NOT able to get to the root filesystem files
> using debian rescue cd nor knoppix.  Both times this happened, it had
> something to do with initramfs; but, after many, many days of struggle,
> it became easier to rebuild from scratch, and to restore specifics on
> top of that from tape.


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=20
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=20
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=20
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:47:13 -0400
From: "Nguyen, Cuong K." <cuongkieunguyen@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: bash, xbindkeys and dual screen
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On 09/27/2007 06:37 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> I haven't tried two distinct screens, so I can't directly compare
> them. I find the moving of the mouse from one screen to the other to
> be intuitive and natural for me, but in reality, I rarely use the
> mouse anymore. I probably don't need to use xinerama except that it
> easily flows with my usage of wmii. For example, in wmii to move a
> window into a column on the right of your "screen" you use
> Alt-shift-l. I have my wmii set up to split the column at 50%. Since
> my screens are the same size, that puts the split right at the edge of
> the monitors. I always have more than one window open so I get two
> screens each with a full screen window in it. It just naturally works
> well for me. 

>

>   

Yeah Andrew, wmii in your setup of xinerama will be much more 
convenient, especially you have two monitors with the same size and they 
are placed next to each other. Thanks for pointing that out.

KC.



Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:54:49 -0500
From: "Sid Arth" <sidster802@gmail.com>
To: "Debian-user (debian help)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: what packages do you reccomend to compile source
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Hi,
I was wondering what packages you guys would recommend for me to get
if I wanted to compile some programs from source.

Sid



Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:02:35 +1000
From: Wei Wang <wwang1979@gmail.com>
To: Sid Arth <sidster802@gmail.com>
Cc: "Debian-user (debian help)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: what packages do you reccomend to compile source
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Package build-essential contians c/c++ compiler

aptitude install build-essential

On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 21:54 -0500, Sid Arth wrote:

> Hi,
> I was wondering what packages you guys would recommend for me to get
> if I wanted to compile some programs from source.
> 
> Sid
> 
> 
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:32:04 -0400
From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what packages do you reccomend to compile source
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 01:02:35PM +1000, Wei Wang wrote:

> Package build-essential contians c/c++ compiler
> 
> aptitude install build-essential

The 'build-essential' meta-package is a great start. Next you will want
many -dev packages. If you needed the Python galago development files
than you'd install:
python-galago-dev - Galago presence library (Python interface)
apt-get install python-galago-dev
and similar for what ever you './configure' script spits out.
So 'apt-cache search xyz |grep dev' would be a way to look for dev
packages which have xyz in them.

-K
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:38:43 -0400
From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: soekris net5501 and vpn14[01]1
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 12:31:06AM +0200, Martin Marcher wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for a router, VPN server box. The soekris hardware[] seems
> to be exactly what I want. Seems it would work fine even withoug the
> vpn card. Initial googling showed me a vast amount of working *bsd
> installations but no clear answer on the linux part.
> 
> I'd rather have debian on this box as I'm more used to the OS and it's
> configuration quirks (some are always there :)).
> 
> Is the mentioned vpn card[1] ready to use in the stock debian kernel,
> and (this is something in found in several openbsd mailing lists) will
> openssl/gnutls use it's capabilities or would that be lost money?
> 
> thanks for your input
http://pyramid.metrix.net/trac/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:45:23 +1000
From: Wei Wang <wwang1979@gmail.com>
To: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what packages do you reccomend to compile source
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For a specific package (eg. netpbm) which might need development
libraries. 

apt-get build-dep packagename

In case build errors arise, try the above way.

On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 23:32 -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:

> The 'build-essential' meta-package is a great start. Next you will want
> many -dev packages. If you needed the Python galago development files
> than you'd install:
> python-galago-dev - Galago presence library (Python interface)
> apt-get install python-galago-dev
> and similar for what ever you './configure' script spits out.
> So 'apt-cache search xyz |grep dev' would be a way to look for dev
> packages which have xyz in them.
> 
> -K
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:04:54 -0500
From: "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>
To: Nigel Henry <cave.dnb@tiscali.fr>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Does lilo still have a limit on it's menu entries?
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On 09/28/2007 03:18 PM, Nigel Henry wrote:

> All my Debian installs, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny, originally started off as 
> Woody 3.0r2, and LiLo was, and still is the bootloader. I installed on Etch 
> yesterday the 2.6.18-5 kernel, which shows up in /boot ok, but running lilo 
> doesn't add it to lilo's menu.
> 
> I read a while back that earlier versions of lilo could only have 6 entries on 
> the menu. My lilo version is 1:22.6.1-9.3.
> 
> The original kernel when I installed Woody 3.0r2 was a bf one. It is still 
> listed in /boot, and on lilo's menu. but is nowhere to be seen in synaptic, 
> and no longer will boot with Etch. On the face of it, I can't see how to 
> remove this original boot floppy kernel.
> 
> Can I just delete all references to the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel in /boot? Then run 
> lilo again. It seems a bit of a hack, but I can't see any way around it as 
> synaptic doesn't even list the bf kernel, and you can't uninstall something 
> that's not on the list.
> 
> /etc/lilo.conf is below. [...]


I have very little experience with Lilo under Debian, though I used it 
under Slackware.

I don't know about the six item limit, but I suggest you manually delete 
the references to the bf kernels, but read "man liloconfig" and "man 
update-lilo" first. If the bf kernels do not appear in /boot, 
update-lilo may remove them from /etc/lilo.conf automatically.

I also suggest that you remove, possibly using synaptic, any kernels 
that don't boot the system up properly.



Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:46:55 -0500
From: "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: rescue bootable cd ???
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On 09/28/2007 09:25 PM, helices wrote:

> * Bill Thompson <Billt@Mahagonny.com> [2007:09:28:16:18:26-0700] scribed:

>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:27:02 -0500
>> helices <helices@helices.org> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you do?
>>>
>> If you are looking at just recovering a system that won't boot, you 
>> don't need a specific Debian disk to do it. I usually carry a copy of 
>> the System Rescue CD (http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page). It has all 
>> of the tools I need to recover a downed system. If I need to work on 
>> the Debian system itself, I mount the drive and chroot into the 
>> partition. Once there I can su to root so that I am using the proper 
>> Debian environment, run apt-get to update software, and test the 
>> configuration of any of the installed services or utilities.
>>
>> Why re-invent the wheel?

> 
> Well, because the two (2) systems on which I have experienced these -- 
> to me -- insurmountable boot problems were running lvm on top of 
> software raid 5.  I was NOT able to get to the root filesystem files 
> using debian rescue cd nor knoppix.  Both times this happened, it had 
> something to do with initramfs; but, after many, many days of struggle, 
> it became easier to rebuild from scratch, and to restore specifics on 
> top of that from tape.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 


I don't know, but you might try Bill Thompson's suggestion of System 
Rescue CD as well as the new Knoppix CD, 5.1.1.

As far as initramfs is concerned, I suggest removing it from the 
equation by compiling a kernel with everything you need to access the 
disk built directly into the kernel; don't rely on an initrd at all.

To attempt to answer your first question, I'll say "look at the Debian 
Installer." You can probably create a specialized installer CD for your 
environment; however this is much harder than using a Knoppix CD.

To attempt to answer your second question, I'll say "talk to the Debian 
Installer developers." Finding out what parts of the installer CD need 
to be updated when the O/S is updated is complicated enough to require 
the input of the experts.

Now I have a few questions:

What version of Knoppix failed for you before?

Do you have a separate /boot partition that is on a filesystem that Grub 
can recognize? Read the document "info grub intro features" to get a 
list of supported filesystems.

If /boot is on a Grub-supported filesystem/partition, is the initial 
root disk on that partition?

Is /boot on an lvm volume? (Probably not, because the system wouldn't boot.)



Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:29:18 -0700
From: "Rogelio Bastardo" <scubacuda@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: syslog recommendations?
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I'm looking for a few F/OSS syslog programs -- one easy to use (sort of like
Kiwi syslog) and another that's much more scalable and would let me, say,
aggregate logs from lots of different boxes and maybe even do other sorts of
cool things (find patterns, etc).

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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