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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2508

Today's Topics: 

  Re: iscan frustration Compounded!     [ Felix Karpfen  ]
  Re: Spring clean                      [ "Mumia W.."  ]
  Re: DiffIndex ignored when updating   [ mockingbird@earthlight.co.nz (Chris ]
  Re: Spring clean                      [ Max Hyre  ]
  Re: unable to install mysql (lamp) (  [ Kevin Mark  ]
  Re: Penalty of SELinux?               [ "Douglas A. Tutty"  ]
  Re: portable Iomega HD                [ Kevin Mark  ]
  Re: rescue bootable cd ???            [ "Douglas A. Tutty"  ]
  Re: Debian may lose a user            [ Kevin Mark  ]

Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:22:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Felix Karpfen <felixk@webone.com.au> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: iscan frustration Compounded! 

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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:59:26 +0000, Chris Davies wrote:

> Thomas H. George <lists@tomgeorge.info> wrote:
>> I own two Epson scanners, a Perfection 2400 Photo and a Perfection V10= 0 

>> Photo.
>=20
>> Neither work with Debian Linux.
>=20

> Check the location of the firmware file, esfw41.bin. A few upgrades ago=
,
> my system also lost the configuration entry in /etc/sane.d/snapscan.con=
f
> that defined this.

I would be very grateful for further details, since I am an amateur with a <similar|worse> problem.

Do you need help?X

The problem is similar because Debian Etch (kernel 2.6.18) is looking for the firmware file in the wrong directory. The error message reads:

/usr/share/iscan/esfw54.bin/esfw54.bin : Not a directory

"esfw54.bin" is not a directory but a file and it is located in "/usr/share/iscan/" (with copies in a few other places - just in case the alternatives locations are easier to find)

The problem is worse, because it is intermittent. Whenever I reboot the system, it is a gamble. Sometimes the scanner is found and sometimes I get the above error message.

I have no problems if I choose to use Debian Sarge (kernel 2.6.8).

All suggestions will be gratefully received.

Felix Karpfen

--=20
Felix Karpfen
Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA)

Do you need more help?X

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:24:51 -0400
From: Max Hyre <max@hyre.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: udev and automounting 

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Andrei Popescu wrote:
> You could also run 'sync;umount /dev/sda1' before unplugging, just to be
> sure.

    Umm, OK. But that sort of obviates the point of usbmount. I guess I'll just continue to umount by hand.

        Best wishes,

                Max Hyre

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:51:42 -0500
From: "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Spring clean 

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Can't find what you're looking for?X
Can we help you?X

On 09/29/2007 03:53 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>
> I do my housekeeping in aptitude interactive mode, with a flat package
> list (this is my default, but you can get one from the menu) where I
> mark everything as auto-installed (press M) that I don't specifically
> want. It might take a while, but aptitude will then remove all
> unnecessary stuff.
>
> Regards,
> Andrei

How do I get a flat package list using Aptitude 0.2.15.9 (for Sarge)?

Is that feature only available for later Aptitude releases?

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:08:54 -0400
From: Max Hyre <max@hyre.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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2007/9/29, andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com>:

 > Can someone recommend a newbie-friendly easy, and safe way of cleaning
 > house so that I can retain those packages that I need (and want) but can
 > clear out the dust bunnies, etc..?

    A cleanup I like is `localepurge', which is newbie-friendly and easy:

Don't know where to look next?X

        Description: Automagically remove unnecessary locale data

After an installation it's pleasant to see the comment telling me how much space it saved. I suspect the total for me is somewhere in the high hundreds of megs, since I ditch everything but English.

    _But_! As for `safe', attend to the further paragraphs in the description, which include such gems as 

	Please note, that this tool is a hack [...]
	and therefore is not for the faint of heart.
	[....] Responsibility for its usage and possible
	breakage of your system therefore lies in the
	sysadmin's (your) hands.

and 

	If you don't know what you are doing [...]
	please simply don't use this package.

    Nonetheless, I installed it and it's worked nicely for over a year, with no breakage. (I've been following unstable all the while.)

        Best wishes

                Max Hyre

Confused? Frustrated?X

Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:22:26 -0400
From: mockingbird@earthlight.co.nz (Chris Bannister) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: DiffIndex ignored when updating repository? 

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On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 09:08:16AM +0200, Nick De Graeve wrote:
> I just upgraded our server to Etch but now I see there are line
> starting with "Ign" when I update my repositories:
>
> root@js002:~# aptitude update
> Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
> Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
> Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release.gpg [378B]
> Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
> Get:3 http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release [58.2kB]
> Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
> Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages
> Get:4 http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Packages [4287kB]
> Get:5 http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/contrib Packages [62.9kB]
> Fetched 4408kB in 19s (227kB/s)
> Reading package lists... Done

I presume it is ignoring it because there is no change in the DiffIndex file. 

-- 
Chris.
======

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:35:51 -0400 From: Max Hyre <max@hyre.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Spring clean Message-ID: <46FEFD77.7050502@hyre.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable P=E1l Cs=E1nyi wrote: > 2007/9/29, andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com>: >> Can someone recommend a newbie-friendly easy, and safe=20 way of cleaning >> house so that I can retain those packages that I need=20 (and want) but can >> clear out the dust bunnies, etc..? > > If you use aptitude, or synaptic then you must to=20 manually select > there packages you want to purge. After you have purged those > packages, you should to purge orphaned packages, I think.=20 For this you > may to use 'sudo aptitude purge $(deborphan)' command. For the inverse operation (select what you want to keep,=20 discard everything they don't depend on) check out=20 `debfoster'. The first time you run it, it asks about=20 roughly every package you've got installed, which is rather=20 tedious. Thereafter, it uses that info to weed out stuff=20 you don't want. I suspect that `want' !=3D `need', so=20 ill-advised choices may hose your system. Best wishes, Max Hyre ------------------------------------------------------------ Description: Install only wanted Debian packages debfoster is a wrapper program for apt and dpkg. When=20 first run, it will ask you which of the installed packages you want to keep installed. . After that, it maintains a list of packages that you want=20 to have installed on your system. It uses this list to detect=20 packages that have been installed only because other packages depended=20 on them. If one of these dependencies changes, debfoster will take=20 notice, and ask if you want to remove the old package. . This helps you to maintain a clean Debian install, without old (mainly library) packages lying around that aren't used=20 any more.

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:37:31 -0400 From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: unable to install mysql (lamp) (post-installation script returned error exit status 1) Message-ID: <20070930013731.GQ24607@horacrux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 07:18:34AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 02:47:23PM +0200, Jabka Atu wrote:
> > package: mysql-server
> >
> > version: 5.0.45-1
> >
>
> ...copious apt output...
>
> > Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.45-1) ...
> > Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
> > Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
> > invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
> > dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure):
> > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
>
>
> the problem is self-explanatory. The service failed to start which
> propogated an error. You should investigate why it failed to
> start. Perhaps look at some log files. perhaps try it manually, etc
> etc.
>
This says that something went wrong in the post-installation script. This would make me read '/var/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst' (IIRC). you can also manual run this with 'bash -x ....' to see verbose output. hope that helps. K -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |_______ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed _______|

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:30:47 -0400 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Penalty of SELinux? Message-ID: <20070930013047.GC7470@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 07:55:47PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2007-09-23 11:14:57, schrieb Douglas A. Tutty:
> > On small systems, what about the penalty of just larger binaries? I
> > have some older boxes with 16-64 MB ram.
> >
> > Doug.
> ------------------------- END OF REPLIED MESSAGE -------------------------
>
> Look at <http://www.ebay.com/> to get FPM's for your old 486
> machines or faster EDO's for the Pentium 1.
>
> I have 486 machines running too, but not a singel one has less
> then 64 MBytes...
The problem for me with ebay is that even with the CDN dollar at par with the US, VISA still takes a conversion chunk to pay paypal in US Dollars. Even if the product is in Canada, the prices are in US dollars and payment is in US dollars. Then there's the shipping, plus if its _not_ in Canada there's the Customs Brokerage fees even though NAFTA applies and all they're taking is the Canadian sales taxes. By the time I pay for all that, I can buy a newer-used computer. Then, I've got to pay to have my old one recycled... All because nobody has an up-to-date cc for older computers _and_ word has it that modern coders rely more and more on the speed of modern computers. If only Unix, Linux, and Debian were written in Fortran77. Then I could put OS/2 back on the 486 and run my trusy IBM Fortran77 compiler and rebuild everything to work great on it. Progres. Doug.

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:41:14 -0400 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: Stefhen Hovland <stefhen.hovland@gmail.com> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: can pbzip2 run on stdout? Message-ID: <20070930014114.GD7470@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 02:57:40PM -0400, Stefhen Hovland wrote:
> Is this possible for pbzip2 to run on a tar which outputs to standard out?
>
> I am trying to speed up a backup process which takes hours, i have
> about 100g of uncompressed data which will be tar'd up and is
> currently running thru gzip. This will be running on a 16 cpu box
> which would greatly speedup this issue.
>
> from:
>
> tar cf - . | gzip > /tmp/file.tar.gz
>
> to:
>
> tar cf - . | pbzip2 > /tmp/file.tar.bz2
>
>
> This doesnt seem to work, is it because there is no way to split the
> stdio to multiple processors on the fly?
I wonder if it would help to create a named-pipe (fifo). Would that trick the compressor (whichever) to treat it as a file (that doesn't have an EOF until the true end) and run on a different processor? Never having had more than one core, I can't test this. Doug.

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:46:39 -0400 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: efficiency of windows managers Message-ID: <20070930014639.GE7470@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 01:50:35PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> On 9/27/07, Manu Hack <manuhack@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a general question which I got when trying out different
> > windows managers/desktop environments. When I try to use windowmaker
> > (I wanted to make my computer faster as it's getting old), it
> > certainly is fast for initialization. But after that when around
> > 10-15 windows are opened and distributed in different workspaces, I
> > found moving around different workspaces and windows pretty slow (I
> > compared with KDE which I usually use.) and thus I still decided to
> > stick with KDE for the moment. Maybe the comparison is not fair as
> > KDE definitely needs longer time to initialize. But my question is,
> > is there a reason for that?
> >
> Don't know about windowMaker, but you might try:
>
> fluxbox
> icewm
> pekwm
> fvwm2
>
> You might find some pretty light, and some besides offering lots of
> fun and good looking features... I use fluxbox and a machine with
> 512M main, and 64M ati-rage is performing pretty well...
>
I found that the litest is icewm. Works great on my P-II-133 with 64 MB ram and on my 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram. The 486 wouldn't run Etch so it runs great with OpenBSD. Woody also runs great on it. Iceweasel takes a long time to render. Doug.

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Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:11:14 -0400 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Tool for document management Message-ID: <20070930011114.GB7470@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 11:51:04AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Sep 26, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:31:32 -0400, Douglas A Tutty
> ><dtutty@porchlight.ca> said:
> >
> >>Here's my personal letter template. ...
>
> Thanks, those give me a nice starting point.
>
> LaTeX is really a godsend for geeks like me with poor artistic
> skills. It gives me a set of nice, safe, acceptable-looking layouts
> so I don't have to worry about fonts and margins. I no longer long
> for the days when it was acceptable to buzz something out in 12-point
> Elite on a 9-pin dot matrix printer and tear off the tractor feed
> strips. ;)
Guess what. My only printer is an IBM Personal Computer Graphics Printer (like the one pictured in the original marketing material for the origional PC). Its a 9-pin dot-matrix, tractor fed. I run latex and then either get nicely formatted plain-text, or via apsfilter and gs-gpl, I get nice fonts and everything. I still have to tear off the feed strip, it takes 17 minutes per page, and the ribbon-feed is broken so I have to sit and twiddle the ribbon knob... :) Doug.

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:45:23 -0400 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: robomod@news.nic.it Message-ID: <20070930004523.GA7470@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This is new. I've been getting these directly to me too after I post. What can Debian do about this? It seems that some newsgroup has decided to tie into the list but then rejects everything noisilty back to the posters. Doug. ----- Forwarded message from Moderation Robot <robomod@news.nic.it> ----- Envelope-to: dtutty@localhost Delivery-date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:34:28 -0400 From: Moderation Robot <robomod@news.nic.it> Subject: Re: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges" To: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:02:03 +0200 (CEST) linux.debian.user is a moderated newsgroup in gateway with a mailing list. Your article has been examined by the automatic moderation program and has been refused because: this hierarchy accepts posts only from registered users. You can register for posting by subscribing to the linux-gate@lists.bofh.it mailing list. You can do so by sending a message with "subscribe" in the body at the linux-gate-request@lists.bofh.it address or by visiting http://lists.bofh.it/listinfo/linux-gate . For more information about the linux.* hierarchy please read the FAQ at http://www.linux.it/~md/linux-faq Virtually your, The Moderation Robot. ------- Follows the first few lines of your article -------- From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Subject: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:50:08 +0200 Message-ID: <97QFW-3Uz-13@gated-at.bofh.it> References: <46F9C507.6050204@sbcglobal.net> <20070926224549.GA5220@bt> <20070927011909.GB8923@titan.hooton> <200709271135.04539.ariestao@clearmail.com.au> Old-Return-Path: <dtutty@porchlight.ca> Mail-Followup-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Porchlight-Mailscanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Porchlight-Mailscanner: Found to be clean X-Mailscanner-From: dtutty@porchlight.ca X-Virus-Scanned: at lists.debian.org with policy bank en-ht X-Rc-Virus: 2007-09-13_01 X-Rc-Spam: 2007-05-24_01 X-Mailing-List: <debian-user@lists.debian.org> archive/latest/498731 List-ID: <debian-user.lists.debian.org> Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway X-Original-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:40:00 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <20070927014000.GF8923@titan.hooton> X-Original-References: <97uYL-3yn-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <97O1v-8gR-5@gated-at.bofh.it> <97QcS-3kX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <97Qwg-3Ir-9@gated-at.bofh.it> Bytes: 2527 X-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:51:17 GMT (bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net) X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Trace: b59cb46fed768ef7b7d1a22875 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sender: robomod@news.nic.it On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 11:35:04AM +1000, Charlie wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all:
> >--} One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to latest-etch.
> >--} Etch is now at r1. ?The tested upgrade path is r0. ?Since so much
> >--} changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know.
> >--}
>
> I have installed several machines with the first netistall etch CD since the
> above change and have found no breakages. Update and then upgrade have worked
> a treat. Just watch the prompts.
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Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:56:44 -0400 From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: should a package compile on installation ? Message-ID: <20070930015644.GR24607@horacrux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 06:54:52PM +0200, Jabka Atu wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hello ,..
>
>
> im thinkg about giving a package the abuilty to download and compile
> the last source is it wise ?
huh? this is normal: get upstream, create source package, create binary package. 99.9% of packages just install software with ar files and a few scripts. None 'compile' anything, unless you consider python modules or emacs files and the like.
>
> since i don't know how to create sevral arch binary package
> (amd64,i386,etc .. ).
If this is for Debian proper, they have porters to help with other archs. Compose another question with more specifics and someone may provide something else. hope that explains. -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |_______ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed _______|

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:03:26 -0400 From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: portable Iomega HD Message-ID: <20070930020326.GS24607@horacrux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 06:03:10PM -0300, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a portable Iomega 120 GB HD. I am running etch. When I connect
> the HD to the USB port, etch doesn't show any device attached to the
> port... I wonder why? the portable hd doesn't acts like another usb
> device?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help
>
> Marcelo
As root, try this: remove the usb drive type 'tail -f /var/log/messages' plug the usb drive in note what messages show on the xterm if messages show, post them here if no messages show, this maybe a hardware problem (cable) or kernel problem (no usb modules for that harware). If this happends, report that. Also, what does 'lspci' and 'lsusb' show? -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |_______ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed _______|

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:13:39 -0400 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: rescue bootable cd ??? Message-ID: <20070930021339.GF7470@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 07:37:10PM -0500, helices wrote:
>
> When I composed the first message, I had in mind the olden days when I
> often (not always ;<) made a bootable floppy when I made a new kernel.
> That bootable floppy booted off of the exact same kernel, except a
> different copy residing on the floppy. When the system completed boot,
> I was logging into the actual system, even though I booted off of the
> floppy based kernel.
>
> The problem with knoppix cd, and the debian installation/rescue cd, is
> that they do NOT understand the specifics of my lvm over software raid
> 5. The specifics required probably all reside under /etc -- on a
> filesystem in lvm on software raid 5.
>
> Actually, I believe that both instances that stung me were lilo, not
> grub; and, NO, there is no /boot outside of both lvm and software raid
> 5.
>
So you're saying that you have an LVM over raid5 setup that Etch's install CD in rescue mode can't detect and setup? I didn't know that GRUB can handle LVM or raid5 reliably? Why not use a 32 MB /boot raid1 partition? This may be why the rescue CD can't handle it. Doug.

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:54:01 -0700 From: Alan Truism <alan.truism@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Facist Debian Users Message-ID: <1191117241.774259.277730@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You guys are too much.

Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:28:32 -0400 From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian may lose a user Message-ID: <20070930022832.GT24607@horacrux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:28:38AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:44:58 -0400, Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net> said:
>
> > On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:30:29AM -0400, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:12:02PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> >> > more likely to give better reports if asked by a nice dd. But since
> >> > its not 'policy', its not something that is required. There is the
> >> > obvious situation where DD have real lives and can not respond to
> >> > every user,
> >>
> >> Apparently policy does not list requirements but best practices. IOW
> >> policy is not (supposed to be(?)) used to enforce behaviour.
> >>
> >> Please correct my statement(s) if I am off target.
> >>
> > That is why I used the quotes ('policy' vs policy).
>
> Hmm. I wondered why kevin was saying this, since he is generally
> clued in, and knows policy is to be followed. The distinction is that
> Debian technical policy, the entity Chris is referring to (I presume),
> does not govern people. It governs technical aspects of packaging
> Debian software, so it has no jurisdiction in how reports are responded
> to.
>
> Sorry if my previous mail was confusing.
>
> manoj
I don't recall if there is anything written in the 'dev corner' that dictates DD-'bug reporter' reponse-policy or best-practices. Any pointer appreciated. And now for something completely different... (cue monty python music) -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |_______ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed _______| End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2508 ************************************************** Received on Sat Sep 29 22:45:17 2007

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