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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2509
Today's Topics:
Re: Trying to get a network printer [ J ]
Re: Facist Debian Users [ Kevin Mark ]
Re: udev and automounting [ "Douglas A. Tutty" ]
Re: Stupid question (was Re: Repost [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: Debian may lose a user [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: Debian may lose a user [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: xmodmap again - not solved after [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: Debian may lose a user [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: efficiency of windows managers [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: Newbie help with simple C progra [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: Repost of some earlier described [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: syslog recommendations? [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: How to reply in the mailing list [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: Debian may lose a user [ "s. keeling" ]
Re: xmodmap again - not solved after [ "s. keeling" ]
DiffIndex ignored when updating repo [ "Nick De Graeve" ]
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:07:07 -0000
From: J <j1234f@excite.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Trying to get a network printer HP LaserJet (tm) 2100tn to print from debian
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SO I set it up as:
ipp://192.168.1.5/ipp/
other printer (it said no IPP port 631 at host ipp://192.168.1.5/ipp/
so I had to use other printer rather than ipp printer in the
add printer wizard).
and chose raw no driver.
It makes me wonder if there is a networking issue,
but I can telnet to the printer and bring up the printers
java control webpage.
So printing a test page just sits there
and never prints:
$ lpq -a
Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size
active userjf 324
http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Abu 672768 bytes
Still can print from windows, but not from debian. weird.
any other ideas, suggestions?
Russell L. Harris wrote:
> I haven't followed the thread, but I am using an hp2100tn with Debian
> testing and CUPS. The device URI is specified as:
>
> ipp://192.168.0.66/ipp/
>
> The printer has a Postscript module, so the make is specified as "raw"
> and the model as "Raw Queue (en)".
>
> The HPJetDirect interface of the printer requires a DHCP server. For
> this, I use my firewall machine, which is running SmoothWall Express
> 2.0. But I prefer to use static ip addresses within the LAN, so I
> specified the MAC address of the HPJetDirect interface to SmoothWall
> and reserved the address 192.168.0.66 for the printer.
>
> RLH
>
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Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:30:25 -0400
From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Facist Debian Users
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 06:54:01PM -0700, Alan Truism wrote:
> You guys are too much.
For the incredibly low, low price of:
ZERO dollars!
You get all this and more....
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Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:36:56 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: udev and automounting
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 08:24:51PM -0400, Max Hyre wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >You could also run 'sync;umount /dev/sda1' before unplugging, just to be
> >sure.
>
> Umm, OK. But that sort of obviates the point of
> usbmount. I guess I'll just continue to umount by hand.
I don't use any sort of automounting or unmounting. I don't have
NFS-homes (the traditional UNIX automounter setup). This is a UNIX-like
OS, although its lookin more and more like a Windows-like OS.
I label the filesystems on anything I want users to mount. I then have
per-label mount points and lines in fstab; users are responsible for
their own mounts and umounts and any damage they do. Then again, I
don't have that many devices.
Doug.
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:23:34 -0500
From: "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: rescue bootable cd ???
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On 09/29/2007 07:37 PM, helices wrote:
> Thank you, all, for your insights.
>
> When I composed the first message, I had in mind the olden days when I
> often (not always ;<) made a bootable floppy when I made a new kernel.
> That bootable floppy booted off of the exact same kernel, except a
> different copy residing on the floppy. When the system completed boot,
> I was logging into the actual system, even though I booted off of the
> floppy based kernel.
>
> The problem with knoppix cd, and the debian installation/rescue cd, is
> that they do NOT understand the specifics of my lvm over software raid
> 5. The specifics required probably all reside under /etc -- on a
> filesystem in lvm on software raid 5.
>
Catch-22
However, if you read the documents on how they created the Debian
installer, you could find out how to create your own Debian Installer
CD; it would contain your own custom-compiled kernel and lvm
configuration in /etc, and it would be able to see all of your
volumes--that is what you want--right?
> Actually, I believe that both instances that stung me were lilo, not
> grub; and, NO, there is no /boot outside of both lvm and software raid
> 5.
>
> What do you think?
>
I don't know what to think.
Since Etch's Grub supposedly doesn't understand lvm, I can't see how you
booted in the first place.
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:07:53 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: robomod@news.nic.it
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On 09/29/07 19:45, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> This is new. I've been getting these directly to me too after I post.
> What can Debian do about this?
>
> It seems that some newsgroup has decided to tie into the list but then
> rejects everything noisilty back to the posters.
You're not the only one to get them. This evening (around 30-Sep
00:02 UTC), I received 19 of them, with original email dates
stretching back to Wednesday 26-Sep.
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:08 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Stupid question (was Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges")
Message-ID: <98TBK-6Rp-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net>:
>
> I don't like it, but I also don't like reloading. :-)
Ah, ya puss! Burn a backup CD and do it. Think of all those doors
opening up for you. You can try anything! =[8]-)
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:12 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian may lose a user
Message-ID: <98TBO-6Rp-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net>:
> Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
> >
> > a lot of time working on non-goals; the question at hand is
> > whether adoption by the level of user in question is or is not a
> > goal.
I'm satisfied to leave that up to the individual. It's none of my
business. Caveat emptor applies in all situations. If they want to
use it, _good for them_. If they want crapware from Redmond instead,
_good for them_. Irrelevant to me. I've got what I want.
> I'm sure Debian doesn't depend on any one user. I'm also sure that
> she's not the only one like her.
>
> Anyway, I think this thread has probably already gone on too long.
Andrew Sackville-Jones(sp?) has the multiple queues thing working.
What else is a problem?
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:13 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian may lose a user
Message-ID: <98TBP-6Rp-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
Mike McCarty <Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net>:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
> >keeling:
> >> Plenty of stuff, lots of replies and multipost threads. Can't see any
> >> bug reports. Guess it's off to the BTS to search there. Drat.
> >>
> >> How 'bout that? Search of the BTS for submitter reports no reports
> >> found. Huh? What address did you submit them from?
> >
> > Hmmmm, methinks the emperor has no clothes. ;-)
>
> Hey, that's pretty pejorative. I TOLD you I don't use Debian. I
> didn't submit from my machine. So it isn't in my name, is it?
Ah. I guess that might be an overly broad assumption on my part these
days.
I don't think you're a troll.
> No. It seems likely that she will blast Debian, and I just didn't
> want to "disappear" off the list with no explanation, and thought
> that some explanation might aid the group.
Okay. My Mom just went from an iMac to Vista. I feel your pain.
Still, I'd rather the perceived problems got fixed.
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:12 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: xmodmap again - not solved after all
Message-ID: <98TBO-6Rp-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.org.uk>:
> On 27 Sep 2007, s. keeling wrote:
> > Mumia W.. <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>:
> > > On 09/25/2007 09:25 AM, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > > > I've twice thought I'd solved this one but no. To recap: my .xinitrc
> > > > contains the line: "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap". which has worked for many
> > > > months or even years. In the last couple of weeks the command is not
> > >
> > > Try this in your .bashrc:
> > >
> > > if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
> >
> > usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap
> > if [ -f $usermodmap ]; then
> > /usr/bin/xmodmap $usermodmap
> > else
>
> Unfortunately, neither of these works for me. The problem appears to be
> that $DISPLAY is not set. I have tried setting various values for it
If you've been expecting this to work for the console, that's your
error. X Window defines the DISPLAY variable. If you're not running
X, xmodmap is irrelevant. Xmodmap is an X application.
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:10 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian may lose a user
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s/Jones/West/g
You gotta change your name to Steve.
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:17 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
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Subject: Re: efficiency of windows managers
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P=E1l Cs=E1nyi <csanyipal@gmail.com>:
> What about stumpwm?
>=20
> http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/
>=20
> Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch?
You could (aptitude search):
p stumpwm - a Common Lisp window manager
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:13 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Newbie help with simple C program, USB device under Debian
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Nick Lidakis <nlidakis@verizon.net>:
> Kevin Mark wrote:
> >
> > Please refrain from your attacks. 'Be nice to folks' is a general rule.
>
> Your right. My apologies to Oleg and the list.
Quite right, and thanks. Done it before myself and hope to minimize
its ocurrence in the future.
!@#$ happens.
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:18 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"
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Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>:
>
> You need a more compliant girlfriend. Lucy Liu-bot comes to mind.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dated_a_Robot
wtf did I just waste fifteen minutes reading? You do not point at
wikipedia articles citing toons. Geez.
It may have been an enjoyable episode *seen*, but read? Ick.
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:10 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: syslog recommendations?
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Michael Shuler <michael@pbandjelly.org>:
> On 09/28/2007 11:29 PM, Rogelio Bastardo wrote:
> > I'm looking for a few F/OSS syslog programs -- one easy to use (sort of
> > like Kiwi syslog) and another that's much more scalable and would let
> > me, say, aggregate logs from lots of different boxes and maybe even do
> > other sorts of cool things (find patterns, etc).
>
> I am not aware of a single package that will do all that you want, but a
> combination of a few packages should get you there. I use syslog-ng for
> aggregating logs from many servers, and I think it far surpasses the
> standard udp syslog daemon for reliability. Running logcheck and/or
It's far more powerful in filtering too. When pump was filling my
/var with meaningless logging, syslog-ng was very easy to configure to
/dev/null them.
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:10 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to reply in the mailing lists
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Sid Arth <sidster802@gmail.com>:
> Ahh you will have to excuse me, but what exactly is top posting and
> what do you mean by trimming?
> Ill try to fix it myself if I can.
>
> On 9/26/07, Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:12:50PM -0500, Sid Arth wrote:
> >
> > > or any other email client. Those two do everything I need them to do.
> >
> > Apparently they don't do any automatic proper email formating (no
> > top-posting and proper trimming). You still have to do that yourself!
You sir, are a troll. Good troll, too.
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:13 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian may lose a user
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Nate Bargmann <n0nb@networksplus.net>:
> * s. keeling <keeling@nucleus.com> [2007 Sep 26 04:27 -0500]:
> >
> > Btw, THIS IS ALL VOLUNTEER WORK HERE. fyi.
>
> Yup. And I for one appreciate our Debian Volunteer Overlords. ;-)
Ah geez. You made me laugh. I even considered typing "LOL" ... Crap!
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:15 +0200
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: xmodmap again - not solved after all
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Mumia W.. <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>:
> On 09/25/2007 09:25 AM, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > I've twice thought I'd solved this one but no. To recap: my .xinitrc
> > contains the line: "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap". which has worked for many
> > months or even years. In the last couple of weeks the command is not
> > being run.
>
> Try this in your .bashrc:
>
> if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
> if (which xmodmap); then
> xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
> fi
> fi > /dev/null
>
> I've never seen it, but I don't assume that xmodmap will automatically
> be called.
>
> Note, the code I wrote has a problem. You need to find a way to test
> that xmodmap hasn't already been invoked for the X server. To do this,
> you might test if your key mappings are already in xmodmap before
if [ "$XMODMAP" != "Done" ]; then
if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
if (which xmodmap); then
xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
export XMODMAP=DONE
fi
fi > /dev/null
fi
I just have:
usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap
if [ -f $usermodmap ]; then
/usr/bin/xmodmap $usermodmap
else
# fix the mouse at the least.
#
/usr/bin/xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1"
fi
in my ~/.xinitrc (I'm a southpaw, btw).
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:17 +0200
From: "Nick De Graeve" <nick.degraeve@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: DiffIndex ignored when updating repository?
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I just upgraded our server to Etch but now I see there are line
starting with "Ign" when I update my repositories:
root@js002:~# aptitude update
Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release.gpg [378B]
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
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Is this something to worry about?
Thanks.
Nick.
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:10:11 +0200
From: "Nick De Graeve" <nick.degraeve@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Upgrade problem: "dpkg: 'x' not found on PATH"
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I was able to fix it. Apparently if the error occurs, it doesn't
install the package at all. So I put the necessary dirs in root's path
and ran 'aptitude install' again for the failed packages and it was
ok.
Thanks.
Nick
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Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:40:47 -0400
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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 09/29/07 19:45, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>> This is new. I've been getting these directly to me too after I post.
>> What can Debian do about this?
>
>> It seems that some newsgroup has decided to tie into the list but then
>> rejects everything noisilty back to the posters.
>
> You're not the only one to get them. This evening (around 30-Sep
> 00:02 UTC), I received 19 of them, with original email dates
> stretching back to Wednesday 26-Sep.
>
Got some in my inbox too.
/KS
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