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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2549

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Any way to dist-downgrade?        [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Problems with mdadm and a usb harddr  [ William Lynch  ]
  Re: KDE Adept updater, Synaptic apt-  [ "Douglas A. Tutty"  ]
  Re: Primary And Extended Partition    [ "Douglas A. Tutty"  ]
  network traffic and cpu usage         [ Rody  ]
  Re: OT: Amazon DRM-free MP3 Download  [ "Simon Jolle \"sjolle\""  ]
  Re: P-II ASUS box won't boot another  [ "Mumia W.."  ]

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:14:25 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Any way to dist-downgrade?
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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 11:04:05PM +0800, Michael Yang wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Due to one hang issues of apitude, I upgraded my linux-images, but didn't=
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> resolve the issues.
> Then I did "apt-get dist-upgrade", after which the aptitude issue is=20
> resolved, also after which more packages are upgraded that I didn't mean=
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> packages to the previous one.

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downgrading is not supported.

>
> Now the source.list consists of the mirrors of "sid" dist, if I change it=
=20
> back to "testing", would there be any problems for the system?

if you change sources.list back to testing, then what will happen is you will stay with the versions you already have installed until testing catches up with them. Once newer versions of your current packages hit testing then it will start to upgrade again.=20

It is possible to downgrade, but tricky and in all reality, its probably easier to reinstall. I don't know what changes have come into sid but not into testing yet. If they are major packages (libc, xorg, etc) then its definitely *not* trivial to downgrade.

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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:04:05 +0800
From: Michael Yang <michael.yxf@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Any way to dist-downgrade? 

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Hi All:

Due to one hang issues of apitude, I upgraded my linux-images, but didn't resolve the issues.
Then I did "apt-get dist-upgrade", after which the aptitude issue is resolved, also after which more packages are upgraded that I didn't mean to. Now I want to keep only the kernel updated, but to downgrade the other packages to the previous one.

Now the source.list consists of the mirrors of "sid" dist, if I change it back to "testing", would there be any problems for the system?

Thanks a lot for your helps.
Michael.

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:18:35 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: cdrecord vs. wodim again
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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 04:05:38PM +0000, steef wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

>> I was merely speaking up in your defence since he was
>> getting all sarcastic because he couldn't read... =20
>
> thanks. yes: that stupid sarcasm sometimes is really is a problem.

Wayne already apologised for this, BTW, and I was not flaming with the above comment.=20

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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:16:45 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 07:49:28AM -0700, Simbarashe Mhondiwa wrote:
> I am having a difficult on the following issue. I am having a difficult in fully explaining thwe difference between primary partition and extended partition would you please add more light to it for me please.
> Hope to hear from you so soon!

you can generally have four primary partitions on a disk. This can often not be enough partitions. So if you flag one of those partitions as an extended partition, then you can put *more* partitions within that one. 

| Partition 1 | Partition 2 | Partition 3 | Partition 4        |
                                          | ext1 | ext2 | ext3 |

hth

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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:05:05 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: KDE Adept updater, Synaptic apt-get, Xserver issue 

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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 09:17:44AM -0500, John W. Foster wrote:
> I have seen this for years but until now I just left it alone. I now need to
> be able to allow someone else to do some of the system updating & they are
> not as experienced as I so they are less likely to perceive this as simply a
> quirk. When I do an update or any other function from the xserver screen in
> KDE with any Debian system update app I get this message from the app:
>
>
> dpkg-preconfigure: cannot connect to X server :0.0
> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde
> debconf: (DISPLAY problem?)
> debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> (Reading database ... 398019 files and directories currently installed.)
>
> It is a source of irritation to me. I tried switching the Xwrapper.config
> to "allowed_users=anybody" (against my better judgement) but that did not fix
> the problem. I do not run these as root but instead use the root password
> from the xserver screen when asked for it.
> Any other suggestions?

Don't do an update from within Etch. Go to a VC, login, and do it from there. Especially if you're having someone less experienced do it. What happens when X needs updating and they don't know any better than to do it from within X...

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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Simbarashe Mhondiwa <dsmhondiwa@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org, gossamer@tertius.net.au,

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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:05:38 +0000
From: steef <steefvanduin@zonnet.nl>
To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: cdrecord vs. wodim again 

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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>>>>> hdc: ST3120026A, ATA DISK drive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Right! Neither cdrecord or wodim can burn to a _Hard Disk_.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> where do you get this? He provided no info on what command he used and
>>> if you look, hdb is clearly an optical drive... are you drinking too
>>> much coffee? ;)
>>>
>>> A
>>>
>>>
>> hi andrew,
>>
>
> hi.
>
> so sorry, I don't know a thing about your problem other than what I
> think you posited -- that its a player that is incorrectly handled by
> cdrecord.

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that is right.
> I was merely speaking up in your defence since he was
> getting all sarcastic because he couldn't read...
>

thanks. yes: that stupid sarcasm sometimes is really is a problem.
>> ........ i used the normal command(s):
>>
>> something like:
>>
>> @ sudo cdrecord speed=8 dev=/dev/hdb (and later what -scanbus told me to
>> use, the 'old way') -tao -v -data -eject /home/steef/.........iso
>>
>
> I don't see why it won't work.

neither do i. that's the problem.
> BTW, why do you need sudo for this?

> put
> yourself in the cdrom group (I think).

long time ago i did that. i learned my (then young) twins the commands to burn cdroms under potato and woody. got myself after some time out of the usergroup without teling them to come home after work and have some cdroms left. so: an old habit

kind regards,

steef
> f
>
> A
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:07:53 -0400
From: William Lynch <wlynch@UDel.Edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Problems with mdadm and a usb harddrive. 

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Hi everybody,

I have a question that I was hoping someone could help with. I'm using a RAID5 for storage. 3 disks. However, 2 of the discs are internal, and 1 is an external usb drive. When I restart the machine, /dev/sda1 (the usb drive) is never brought back up with the rest of the drive, and it's in a degraded state. It seems to do this (off of dmesg) because the usb drive is brought up after the raid5 is brought up. Is there any way to delay the startup of the raid5 until after usb drives are seen?

Thanks!
William Lynch

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:23:33 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: KDE Adept updater, Synaptic apt-get, Xserver issue 

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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 11:05:05AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:  

> Don't do an update from within Etch. Go to a VC, login, and do it from
s/Etch/X
It sort-of rhymes :)
Sorry.

Can't find what you're looking for?X

Doug.

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:50:11 -0400
From: Joey Hess <joeyh@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: bash expansion crap...
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Miles Bader wrote:
> You could also use the "seq" program instead (which comes with
> coreutils):
>=20
> for i in `seq 1 $TEST`; do ...
>=20
> I'm not sure if that's more or less portable than using all these
> various bash features...

Much, much more portable, and readable.

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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:28:18 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Primary And Extended Partition 

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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 07:49:28AM -0700, Simbarashe Mhondiwa wrote:
> I am having a difficult on the following issue. I am having a
> difficult in fully explaining thwe difference between primary
> partition and extended partition would you please add more light to it
> for me please. Hope to hear from you so soon!

The i386 BIOS 'standard' only recognises four partitions. They are now called primary partitions. The BIOS can only find boot-blocks in the boot record of either the whole disk or those four partitions.

To meet the need for more partitions, there are 'extended' partitions that the BIOS knows nothing about. They all exist in one primary partition. MSDOS started it and Windows and Linux inherited it for mutual compatibility.

Confused? Frustrated?X

They are analogous but incompatible with the BSD disklable system that puts 'partitions/disklables' within one primary partition.

Doug.

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:34:45 +0200
From: Rody <rody@xs4all.nl>
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Take a look at:

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/structPartitions-c.html

There are lots of other places to find on the net. This is just one of them.

Rody

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 16:49, schreef Simbarashe Mhondiwa:
> I am having a difficult on the following issue. I am having a difficult in
> fully explaining thwe difference between primary partition and extended
> partition would you please add more light to it for me please. Hope to hear
> from you so soon!
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:56:18 +0200
From: Rody <rody@xs4all.nl>
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I'm trying to figure out why moving large files over nfs generates so much cpu activity every few seconds. The progress dialog reaches speeds my nic can't possibly support (over 20 MB/s) as my nic's are 100 Mbit, then dropping back to zero and a few seconds later climbing up to the same insane speed and back down again...

I'd rather see my cpu usage at 10 - 20 % during the entire copy/move and the progress dialog at 9-10 MB/s as I was used to on redhat9.

I suspect it is some sort of cache that is filled every few seconds, but I can't find where exactly. Maybe at kernel level? KDE? Nic-configuration? I don't know, it doesn't look like it's related to nfs-configuration like the mount options rsize and wsize, as these settings don't seem to make a difference.

Rody

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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:59:48 +0200
From: "Simon Jolle \"sjolle\"" <urandomdev@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Amazon DRM-free MP3 Downloads 

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On 10/03/2007 04:12 PM, cothrige wrote:
> Has anyone used this yet? I bought a few tunes, just to try it out, and
> it went quite smoothly. Just being able to use it with Iceweasel (no
> user-agent spoofing either) on Debian without any complaint or glitch
> was really nice. And the files sounded great (256K bitrate) and there
> was actually a surprisingly not awful selection. I would have thought
> there would have been more hooplah out there about this, but so far
> haven't noticed much commentary online. Maybe I should finally start
> reading blogs?

IMHO the prices pro album are fair. For example the Clawfinger album is priced between $6.99 (older stuff) and $8.99 (current).

I wait until Amazon MP3 downloads store [0] will be integrated in one of the major Open Source music jukebox/player.

[0] http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/163856011

cheers
Simon
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:16:06 -0500
From: cothrige <cothrige@bellsouth.net>
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Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> writes:

> On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 09:12:14AM -0500, cothrige wrote:
>
> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/25/1951219
> http://slashdot.org/articles/07/09/26/1748213.shtml
> http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/30/0148246&from=rss
>
> I know. I'm sick. please help me.
>
> ;-)
>

Ah, you see, I don't follow the right sites anymore. Slashdot used to hold some interest for me, but it just seems to have drifted into a different style these days. Of course, maybe I am the one that drifted. :-)

> My understanding is that it works just fine with linux for individual
> tracks, but not for the full album which requires their special
> downloader. but that's hearsay from the above articles.

Downloading a single track definitely worked okay on my end, though I didn't try an album, yet. Overall, less impulse usually to do that anyway. I usually look at these mp3 downloads when I only like one or two songs on an album, otherwise I like all the packaging and artwork that comes with a standard disc. That is just me though.

Thanks for the heads up on the above articles.

Patrick

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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:10:16 -0500
From: "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: P-II ASUS box won't boot another drive 

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On 10/03/2007 08:39 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>
> [...] Surely a P-II that came
> with an 8GB drive (with no extra jumpers) should be able to use a 1 GB
> drive. The BIOS does show the correct size for each drive, detecting
> the same geometry as printed on the drive.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug.
>
>

If you haven't been able to get any O/S to boot on the P-II since the death of its old HD, I suggest that you blow any dust out of the system unit, and, if you can, check that the power supply is working properly.

And don't throw away that old HD :-)

BTW, all of my old WD hard disks had a 512MB jumper group.

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:18:33 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Problems with mdadm and a usb harddrive. 

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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 12:07:53PM -0400, William Lynch wrote:
>
> I have a question that I was hoping someone could help with. I'm
> using a RAID5 for storage. 3 disks. However, 2 of the discs are
> internal, and 1 is an external usb drive. When I restart the
> machine, /dev/sda1 (the usb drive) is never brought back up with the
> rest of the drive, and it's in a degraded state. It seems to do this
> (off of dmesg) because the usb drive is brought up after the raid5 is
> brought up. Is there any way to delay the startup of the raid5 until
> after usb drives are seen?
>

At what point in boot is the raid5 setup? At what point are USB drives detected? If your root is on raid5, it likely has to be setup prior to detecting USB devices.

Why not write a boot-time script that adds it back into the array?

Doug.

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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:38:54 -0400
From: Rob Mahurin <rob@utk.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Random System Crashes 

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On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 10:33:27PM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > Lately (For the past month or so) I've been experiencing random system
> > crashes. My system would just completely lock up and not respond to
> > anything but a power-down (I've tried switching to TTY1, among other
> > things, but nothing works).
> >
> > I don't even know where to start diagnosing this problem...I'm looking
> > for help on where to start. ANY help would be appreciated.
> >
> > If you need any more information just ask, besides the fact that I'm
> > running Debian Lenny with a teeny bit of Sid (amd64 as well).
>
> It may be this[1] xorg freezing problem that some people have been
> having. Can do a remote login? If so does everything seem to work
> alright in the new session?
>
> [1]http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg01265.html

I've been having this problem since upgrading to etch. The crashes happen once or twice a month, which is often enough to be really irritating but too infrequent for me to know how to debug.

Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

Restarting X remotely does seem to work, if the crash happens while my (laptop) is on a network where I can ssh in.

Rob 

-- 
Rob Mahurin
Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
University of Tennessee 	phone:  865 207 2594
Knoxville, TN  37996   		email:	rob@utk.edu

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