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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2558

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Disk access.                      [ "Douglas A. Tutty"  ]
  Re: Any way to dist-downgrade?        [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re:%20Re: Very slow USB boot          [ "Michael Jordan"  ]
  Re: Converting sxw files to ps or pd  [ Bill  ]
  "dist-upgrade" does not upgrade kern  [ "Siju George" 
  Re: Cannot run iceweasel on remote h  [ "Manu Hack" <manuhack@gmail.com> ]
  Re: Converting sxw files to ps or pd  [ Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> ]



Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:01:18 -0400


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Disk access.

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On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 11:09:05AM +0300, ccostin wrote:

> 
> How I can find what processes access harddisk frequently, periodically
> from ~20sec to ~20sec ?
> 
> Hdd led still blinking repeatedly  even if all syslog daemons or other
> process that could can generate logs periodically seem to be stop.

Isn't that the update daemon?  There used to be a package, I forget the
name, that intercepted this traffic and allowed drives to spin down if
the update daemon was the only traffic.



Doug.


Do you need help?X

Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:49:58 -0700


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Anoying Fetchmail Behavior


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On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:23:16AM -0400, Orestes Leal wrote:
>=20

> One detail it's that I run fetchmail every 10 seconds, it's this

bad?



probably. I don't know what it does when it tries to download mails
that another fetchmail is trying to download. But then, I don't know
if it forks another process or not. But a good place to start would be
to slow that down. Once a minute is surely adequate. Or are your users
that desperate for mail? ;)



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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:03:09 -0700


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Pkg-lyx-devel] Bug#444915: lyx]
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On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 03:36:01AM -0400, William Montreal wrote:

> I'm mailing you after the recommendation of Sven in the forwarded email
> and I attached the "sources.list" which he recommended ; I also included
> a couple error output described in the email.

yeah, this is definitely not a lyx problem, so you were right to come
here.=20



>=20


> I got a bug whcih I don't know the source but the Marked Changes list in
> Synaptic is getting longuer and longuer and I even got two Broken ones
> now (which won't reinstall) !  I'm new around GNU/Linux so I might have
> done something stupid.  :|  Hopefully it's not too bad ...
Can we help you?X

What were you trying to do that precipitated this situation? Were you
trying to install lyx?=20



You only have one cd-rom listed and I'd be the lyx is not on that cd.=20



If you have a reasonable network connection, I recommend you
reconfigure sources.list for network installation of packages. Refer
to: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and select a reasonable mirror
for you to use.=20



Put that mirror in your /etc/apt/sources.list with an entry similar to
this:



deb http://mirror.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free



also, comment out the cd-rom line.



then from a root terminal, issue the following commands and provide us
the exact output:



apt-get update


apt-get -s dist-upgrade



>=20


> I've been reading that the "etch" version for Debian is for testing,
> does it mean it's hard to maintain ?  If so, should I get another
> version for my AMD64 computer ?
Can't find what you're looking for?X

etch is the current stable. It is ridicuously easy to maintain.=20



A



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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:07:47 -0700


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Random System Crashes


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On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:06:33AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 02:13:49AM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > odds are your power supply is on its way to the power supply cemetery.
> >
> >
>=20


> I doubt that, because this laptop is only one year old. I'm kind of
> hoping that the power supply doesn't have to be replaced...

ah, crucial information that you didn't provide, or at least I didn't
see it in prior posts. For a *laptop* locking up, probably the first
thing to check would be temperature. If you don't already have it up
and running, get lm-sensors installed and turn on every temperature
sensor you can find.  Also, it could be some acpi spawned "helpful"
automatic sleep or something that is interefering and causing problems.




A



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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:47:03 -0400 (CDT)
From: "Orestes Leal" <orestesleal13022@cha.jovenclub.cu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Anoying Fetchmail Behavior

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El Jue, 4 de Octubre de 2007, 10:49 am, Andrew Sackville-West escribi=C3=B3=
:

> On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:23:16AM -0400, Orestes Leal wrote:
>>
>> One detail it's that I run fetchmail every 10 seconds, it's this


> bad?
>


> probably. I don't know what it does when it tries to download mails
> that another fetchmail is trying to download. But then, I don't know
> if it forks another process or not. But a good place to start would be
> to slow that down. Once a minute is surely adequate. Or are your users
> that desperate for mail? ;)
>


> A


>



Well, no so desperated but when they see that they don't have email
on their outlook express then they check the webmail at my isp
and see the emails there, but this is not a problem, I will changed
to 1 minute, thanks for the tip.



olr


=3D=3D=3D



Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:55:40 +0000


From: steef <steefvanduin@zonnet.nl>


To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: good tool to recover scratched CD's/DVD's?

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Douglas A. Tutty wrote:



<........>

> There's a program that's supposed to take multiple
> versions of a file and, using the blocks in common, come up with an
> accurate file.
>


> Doug.
>
>


>   


....can you give us the name of that program/package?


Do you need help?X

thank you,



s.



Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:13:22 -0700


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Any way to dist-downgrade?


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On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 11:03:33AM +0800, Michael Yang wrote:




=2E..


>


> Although the aptitude issue and the display drivers are resolved and=20
> working fine, I found the system is behaving a little slower than before.=

=20

> It's quite obvious to see that the output is returned slowly when I execu=

te=20

> the "df -h" to check the disk info. That's why I'm thinking about the=20
> downgrading....
Do you need more help?X

this is the classic "asking the wrong question" issue. So your real
problem is that the system is behaving sluggishly, right? So why
didn't you ask about that instead? Something like: "I just moved my
system up to sid and now it is behaving very sluggishly, any
insights?" would have been appropriate.=20



Anyway,



The first thing you should start doing is leave a 'top' instance
running to see if you can catch anything interfering with the
system. Also, review all the running services and see if there is
anything new running since the upgrade that may be causing a
problem. Keep an eye on your memory usage as well. In sid you're more
likely to encounter bugs and a memory leak bug in some app would
ultimately lead to a sluggish system as it tries to swap all the
time. Tracking this down can be difficult, so you have to keep at it
-- pay attention to what is happening when the response slows down.



hth



A



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Can we help you?X

Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:45:32 -0500


From: "Cybe R. Wizard" <cyber_wizard@mindspring.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: efficiency of windows managers

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cga2000 <cga2000@optonline.net>  said:

> On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 06:36:46PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > 
> > > Yeah, will do if I have the time.  But at the moment I'm very
> > > happy with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff). :)
> > 
> > What's the benefit of transparency?
> 
> It's kwool ..
> 
> Beryz and Compyl are yet kwooler..!!
> 
> Sorry  .. just testing my list/email/internet is OK after fixing a
> hardware issue.
> 
> Please flame.
> 
> :-)
> 
> cga
> 


My opinion (of course, the only one that counts) is that it is /hot/,
not kwool.  Maybe it's because I've turned on the magic fire for all
the options.   That's enough flame for me.  Is it enough for you?



;-]



Cybe R. Wizard 

-- 
When Windows are opened the bugs come in.
	Winduhs


Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:17:54 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Major application resource leaks in Etch
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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 06:14:03PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 10:44:48PM -0500, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.=

net> was heard to say:

> > Doug is absolutely correct.  Putting a 30MB file into the clipboard
> > is going to is a lot of resources.

>=20

>   It'll use a lot of resources -- but if I understood the OP correctly,
> the resources weren't being released when the file was removed from the
> clipboard.  That sounds like a bug to me.


not following this thread, but putting 30M in the clipboard is sure to
be a little, ummmm, strenuous. And pasting it somewhere doesn't remove
it from the clipboard, just copies into whatever poor app happened to
get the paste. So in theory, there are now three copies of that
monster clipboard floating around 1) in the original app, 2) in the
clipboard, and 3) in the new app. THat's 90M of extra stuff just
floating around in memory.=20

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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:05:29 -0500
From: "Wu-Kung Sun" <sunwukung@gmail.com>
To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: good tool to recover scratched CD's/DVD's?
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On 10/4/07, steef <steefvanduin@zonnet.nl> wrote:

> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

>

> <........>
> > There's a program that's supposed to take multiple
> > versions of a file and, using the blocks in common, come up with an
> > accurate file.
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> >
> >
> ....can you give us the name of that program/package?

>

Maybe cdparanoia?
-- 
swk



Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:55:09 +0200
From: "Michael Jordan" <pringuilingui@gmail.com>
To: andrew@farwestbilliards.com
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re:%20Re: Very slow USB boot
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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 03:26:17PM +0200, Michael Jordan wrote:
>> I've etch installed onto an USB hard disk. It works when booting from two
>> modern computers (usb 2.0) but i'm having problems booting from an old pc
>-------------------^^^^^^^


>> (usb 1.0). The boot process is very very slow. It seems systems uses
>--^^^^^^^^

>the difference between usb 1 and 2 could be as little 40x to as much as
>320x faster.

>A

First, thanks for your help... but, I know now this is not the problem. Yes,
this was the first I thougth but
i'm a lucky man (really, it was pure luck) and know the system is running
well (not as well as with 2.0 and 1 Gb of RAM, of course).

How?. Using another kernel + initrd. I've used RUNT (a linux USB specific
ditro) boot files. These means using a 2.4.26 kernel

Think I'm trying to use an etch base system. I think it should work with usb
1.0 at boot time as works with 2.0

Thanks again

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<div>On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 03:26:17PM +0200, Michael Jordan wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve etch installed onto an USB hard disk. It works when booting from two<br>&gt;&gt; modern computers (usb 2.0) but i&#39;m having problems booting from an old pc
<br>&gt;-------------------^^^^^^^<br><br><br>&gt;&gt; (usb 1.0). The boot process is very very slow. It seems systems uses<br>&gt;--^^^^^^^^<br><br>&gt;the difference between usb 1 and 2 could be as little 40x to as much as
<br>&gt;320x faster.<br><br>&gt;A</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>First, thanks for your help... but, I know now this is not the problem. Yes, this was the first I thougth but</div>
<div>i&#39;m a lucky man (really, it was pure luck) and know the system is running well (not as well as with 2.0 and 1 Gb of RAM, of course). </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>How?. Using another kernel + initrd.&nbsp;I&#39;ve used RUNT (a linux USB specific ditro) boot files. These means using a 2.4.26 kernel</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Think I&#39;m trying to use an etch base system. I think it should work with usb 1.0 at boot time as works with 2.0</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks again</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>

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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:27:02 -0700
From: Bill <bill3@uniserve.com>
To: debian mailing list <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Converting sxw files to ps or pdfs
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On Thu, 2007-04-10 at 06:33 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> * Bill <bill3@uniserve.com> [2007 Oct 04 06:21 -0500]:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I've got a problem with Open Office Writer. I've done a mail 
> > merge that produces a ton of .sxw files. These need to be 
> > faxed in bulk, but of course none of the fax programs can 
> > handle bulk input. No prob. I wrote a looping script using efax 
> > which uses ps/tiff input and that works. But I can't find a
> > utility to convert OOo .swx files to ps. Any suggestions?
> > I've googled my fingers off.
> 
> .sxw would be the old Star Office format files so modern tools would
> probably work with .odt files which are Open Document Format (ODF). 
> Other than opening the files in OOo and printing to a file. which
> results in a .ps output, there doesn't seem to be an outside converter.
> 
> - Nate >>

 Yes this is an older version of OO but like you say there 
isn't an external filter such as pdf2ps. The problem though
remains the same - bulk conversion - so the export to pdf and 
print to file .ps options are useless because they're done one
at a time. It would take me a week to get the job done.

It's a definite shortcoming in OO. 

	b.



Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:30:24 -0700
From: Bill <bill3@uniserve.com>
To: debian mailing list <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
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On Thu, 2007-04-10 at 07:34 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 03:55:21AM -0700, Bill wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I've got a problem with Open Office Writer. I've done a mail 
> > merge that produces a ton of .sxw files. These need to be 
> > faxed in bulk, but of course none of the fax programs can 
> > handle bulk input. No prob. I wrote a looping script using efax 
> > which uses ps/tiff input and that works. But I can't find a
> > utility to convert OOo .swx files to ps. Any suggestions?
> > I've googled my fingers off.
> 
> These instructions:
> 
> http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2006/01/11/from-microsoft-to-openoffice.html
> 
> show how to script the conversion using OOo macros and its command line
> interface.

 
Well, I don't have a windows box, I don't know basic, and I'm 
not converting doc files..... other than that there might be 
something in here I can adapt. Thanks.

	b.



Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:11:55 +0530
From: "Siju George" <sgeorge.ml@gmail.com>
To: "Debian User" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: "dist-upgrade" does not upgrade kernel on one of the Sarge machines even with correct "source.list"
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Hi,

One of the sarge machines runs and older kernel and "apt-get
dist-upgrade" does not install the newer kernel.

Could some one please help me trouble shoot this?

=====================================================

debian:~# uname -a
Linux debian 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 #1 Sat Jul 1 12:02:45 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux
debian:~# apt-get update
Hit http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu sarge/main Packages
Hit http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu sarge/main Release
Hit http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu sarge/main Sources
Hit http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu sarge/main Release
Hit http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Release
Reading Package Lists... Done
debian:~# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
debian:~#

===================================================

where as the newer Sarge kernel is

Linux debian 2.6.8-13-amd64-k8 #1 Sat Jun 9 16:52:03 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Thank you so much :-)

Kind Regards

Siju



Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:44:24 -0400
From: "Manu Hack" <manuhack@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Cannot run iceweasel on remote host
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On 10/3/07, Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:08:29 +0530
> Raj Kiran Grandhi <grajkiran@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > Hi,
> >
> > I am facing a weird problem when trying to run iceweasel on a remote
> > host through an ssh session. I have logged into the remote host using
> > "ssh -Y <remote>" and at the prompt of the remote host, I ran
> > iceweasel. However it appears that a local instance of iceweasel is
> > started. There is no iceweasel/firefox process at all on the remote
> > host. The only way I could get iceweasel to run on the remote host is
> > by closing all instances of iceweasel already running on the
> > localhost.
> >
> > Is something wrong?

>

> No, it's a feature :-)

>

> > If not, how do I run separate instances of
> > iceweasel concurrently?

>

> Invoke iceweasel on the remote host by issuing the command 'iceweasel
> -no-remote'.


It doesn't work for me.  It still gave me a box saying: "Iceweasel is
already running, but is not responding.  To open a new window, you
must first close the existing Iceweasel process, or restart your
system.  Any clue?

Manu



Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:53:06 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: Bill <bill3@uniserve.com>
Cc: debian mailing list <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Converting sxw files to ps or pdfs
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On 10/04/07 11:27, Bill wrote:

> On Thu, 2007-04-10 at 06:33 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:

>> * Bill <bill3@uniserve.com> [2007 Oct 04 06:21 -0500]:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I've got a problem with Open Office Writer. I've done a mail 
>>> merge that produces a ton of .sxw files. These need to be 
>>> faxed in bulk, but of course none of the fax programs can 
>>> handle bulk input. No prob. I wrote a looping script using efax 
>>> which uses ps/tiff input and that works. But I can't find a
>>> utility to convert OOo .swx files to ps. Any suggestions?
>>> I've googled my fingers off.
>> .sxw would be the old Star Office format files so modern tools would
>> probably work with .odt files which are Open Document Format (ODF). 
>> Other than opening the files in OOo and printing to a file. which
>> results in a .ps output, there doesn't seem to be an outside converter.
>>
>> - Nate >>

>  Yes this is an older version of OO but like you say there 
> isn't an external filter such as pdf2ps. The problem though
> remains the same - bulk conversion - so the export to pdf and 
> print to file .ps options are useless because they're done one
> at a time. It would take me a week to get the job done.
> 
> It's a definite shortcoming in OO. 


AbiWord might be able to do what you want.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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