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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2690

Today's Topics:

  Re: Silly question: Where's eth0?     [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  alsaconf and printing                 [ Ed  ]
  Re: SMTP smart host authentication f  [ Haines Brown 

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:40:08 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Silly question: Where's eth0? Message-ID: <20071027234008.GQ1761@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 07:16:03PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

Do you need help?X

>> I was just pointing out that the OP above was complaining
>> about it not working in sid... which is pretty standard expectation
>> for Debian behavior.

>
> Yes, I know what to expect with Sid, which I've been running since before=
=20
> Sarge was released, and this isn't it. Sid is for incorporating new=20
> software variants into a future Stable, and sorting out any integration=
=20
> issues, not for troubleshooting broken software. It's supposed to work=20
> *before* it arrives in Sid.

well, that's the theory, but how often the reality? honestly quite a lot as I run sid on all my non-publicly facing machines and have no realy issue ever, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.

>
> I had one (1) Ethernet adaptor, which used to be called eth0. I can=20
> understand potential confusion if there was more than one, and I've seen=
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> that happen.

I really agree with you. There is no reason it should happen in this case other than someone must have made a mistake. Or (not knowing the specifics of udev changes) someone somewhere made a decision that there weren't going to be any eth0's anymore. My sid laptop renames its lan from eth0 to eth1 during the initrd phase. Then after pivot-root, when init is in charge, the wireless interface gets found and initially designated eth0, but gets renamed to eth2. I don't know why this is, but there it is.

>
> The thread is about the wisdom of setting up networking in The Debian Way=
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> The point I was making is that The Debian Way today clearly isn't The=20
> Debian Way of a month ago. It used to involve editing a text file, and at=
=20
> worst tweaking the modules a bit, now it involves learning the operation =
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> an entirely automatic system that the user isn't even supposed to see, an=
d=20
> how to override it when it screws up. As far as I'm concerned, that's The=
=20
> Windows Way, and it doesn't belong in Linux.

again we are in agreement. In the effort to make some sort of automated networking configuration, which I don't disagree with in concept, things have gone horribly wrong with network manager, IMO. With NM and friends around, it is impossi ble to maintain networking the old way and if it doesn't work then NM way, then you're screwed. its a little frustrating.

anyway, I didn't mean to offend, and I apologise.

Do you need more help?X

A

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:25:18 -0600
From: "Bjorn Meyer" <bjorn.m.meyer@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: rssh chroot issue
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This has also been posted in the security forum. I appologize for the duplication, but I thought it might get more visibility here.

I am having a problem getting rssh to set up and use the chroot path that I have identified. I am able to sftp or scp in without any problems. However, I am able to change to the actual root of the file system essentially escaping the chroot structure.
It doesn't appear that the rssh_chroot_helper is being run. I'm not seeing anything been logged in either syslog or messages as to what is happening.

If anyone has any ideas or can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.
Please let me know what further information will help.

Thank you
Bjorn

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This has also been posted in the security forum. I appologize for the duplication, but I thought it might get more visibility here.<br><br>I am having a problem getting rssh to set up and use the chroot path that I have identified. I am able to sftp or scp in without any problems. However, I am able to change to the actual root of the file system essentially escaping the chroot structure. <br>It doesn&#39;t appear that the rssh_chroot_helper is being run. I&#39;m not seeing anything been logged in either syslog or messages as to what is happening.<br><br>If anyone has any ideas or can point me in the right direction, I&#39;d appreciate it. <br>Please let me know what further information will help.<br><br>Thank you<br>Bjorn<br><br>

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Can't find what you're looking for?X

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:43:42 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: wireles /wpa_supplicant - where to start? Message-ID: <20071027234342.GR1761@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 05:55:25PM +0000, Tyler Smith wrote:
> On 2007-10-25, Martin Marcher <martin@marcher.name> wrote:
> > 2007/10/25, Tyler Smith <tyler.smith@mail.mcgill.ca>:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm trying to set myself up on my University's wireless network. I can
> >> successfully connect to my home wireless using:
> >
> > in /etc/network/interfaces my eth0 looks like this:
> >
> > iface eth0 inet dhcp
> > wpa-driver wext
> > wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
> >
> > this make ifup and ifdown work "as expected" - bring up wpa_supplicant
> > and then the interface.
> >
>=20
> Ok, i've tried fixing my interfaces file and using ifup, and also
> changing ssid=3Dany or ssid=3D"any" in my wpa_supplicant.conf file. I've
> appended the relevant output below. I suspect the problem might be a
> hidden ssid, as Andrew suggested. When I use WinXP on this same
> laptop, I get connected automatically to ssid SMU_PUBLIC. However,
> this ssid does not show up when I run iwlist ath0 scanning (output
> pasted below).

That's so frustrating.=20

So, maybe skip the ssid method. instead use iwconfig's "ap" option with the MAC address of the ap you want. Grab the mac address from windows and just use it.

A

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:33:58 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Best Kernel?

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Confused? Frustrated?X

On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 02:18:39PM -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote:
> Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > The cpuid program should be able to tell you if you have a 32 bit
> > Sempron or a 64 bit Sempron. Even if you have a Sempron64, I
> > am not sure if you can/should run a 64 bit kernel while using
> > Debian's i386 arch.
>
> No, you need to use a complete 64bit userland for using amd64,
> translation: You have to reinstall your machine.

No, I believe that the 64-bit kernel + 32-bit userland is a valid option in Debian. That's why there's a 64-bit kernel in i386.

Doug.

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:40:27 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Fresh 7.10 netinstall problems...

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On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 05:30:49PM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> I hope there are some experts out there that can offer some suggestions
> regarding a problem I am having installing Debian Etch (40r1-386-netinst
> downloaded on 23/10/07) on a Dell Precision 410 MT...
>
> Everything goes fine through the initial install, up to the point
> where I have to reboot using the freshly installed kernel on the
> hard drive.
>
> I can log in after the reboot, and everything looks ok, but when I
> then proceed to try and complete the install by adding other packages
> like 'xorg', things start going wrong...
>
> Either the package transfer fails after a few minutes with messages like
> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
> segmentation fault
> or dpkg falls over during the installation of the package, eg
> /bin/sh: line 1: 2284 Segmentation fault /usr/bin/dpkg_preconfigure...
>
> I tried doing an 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' but the system did
> not survive long enough to get the updated kernel installed.
>
> It seems that the kernel used during the initial install was stable,
> but the kernel it installed on the hard disk is not.
>
> I tried adding 'nosmp' to the command line in case there were problems
> with that, but it made no difference.
>
> For anyone who has read this far - here are some more details about
> the target hardware:
> Model: Dell Precision Workstation 410 MT
> BIOS revision A08
> CPU: 2xPIII 450MHz
> Video card: 3DLabs Oxygen GVX1
> Ram: 1024MB
> Adaptec AIC-7890 BIOS DELL-V2.01.05
> SCSI ID 0 COMPAQ DDRS-34560W ULTRA2-SE
> SCSI ID 1 SEAGATE ST173404LW ULTRA2-SE
> Adaptec AIC-7880 BIOS DELL-V2.01.05
> SCSI ID 1 MATSHITA DVD-RAM LF-200
> Primary IDE1 ZIP drive

What kernel was installed?

As soon as you login, type
$ uname -a

If the system is still up, send us:

cat /etc/apt/sources.list

You could use the install CD as a rescue system, choose "run a command on the rootfs" (or whatever it says); it runs your command chrooted to the system. Try aptitude there (thus with the installer's kernel). If that works, do a uname -a there and notice any difference.

Needless to say, what you're experiencing shouldn't happen under any circumstances with Etch (stable).

Do you need help?X

Doug.

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:51:54 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: SMTP smart host authentication fails

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On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 02:06:02PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> Doug, thanks for your comments.
>
> To access my ISP's new SSL smtp server, I was given a new server name:
> smtp.hartford-hwp.com. But I find out this is only a shortcut to the
> actual server, which I'm told is mymail.myregisteredsite.com. I
> dutifully changed to that address, but when I try to send messages, I
> get:
>
> host mymail.myregisteredsite.com [209.237.134.152]:
> 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)
>
> Tech support insists this error message means I'm not authenticating
> with the server, but that's not what it sounds like.
>
> To authenticate with the SMTP server, there seem to be four issues:
>
> 1. In /etc/exim4/passwd.client I inserted this line (where "<PW>" is
> my plain test password):
>
> mymail.myregisteredsite.com:hartford-hwp.com:<PW>

Yeah, redirects sort of mess up exim. That's why I would use:

        *:[username]:[PW]

Is your login user-name really hartford-hwp.com?

>
> 2. In exim4 configuration, I have to specify the smtp server. In
> /etc/exim4/update.exim.conf.conf I have the line:
>
> dc_smarthost='mymail.myregisteredsite.com'
>

Do you need more help?X

I would stick to the name they gave you. Otherwise, exim will try to contact that box directly and that box is likely configured to only acccept stuff from smtp.hardford-hwp.com

> 3. I have not specified the authentication method. After speaking with
> my tech support supervisor's supervisor, all I could get was that
> the authentication method is "basic", "ordinary". Only later one
> person suggested that "basic" is really plain
> authentication. Assuming this is correct, I did not make any
> changes to the /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template file, which
> apparently defaults to the plain text authentication method. I have
> no trouble accessing the POP server.

Is your pop-server username hartford-hwp.com as well?

>
> 4. I was told to open the port 587 for SMTP instead of 25 (no port
> change was needed to access the POP server). So in /etc/inetd.conf
> I tried both of these lines without success, and also commented the
> line (reverted to port 25):
>
> ssmtp 587/tcp smtps # SMTP over SSL
> smtp 587/tcp smtps # SMTP over SSL
>
> Which of these two lines has the right syntax?
>

inetd.conf is for incoming ports. Opening a port in the sense they mean is opening a port in your own firewall to let exim call out on port 587. The standard port per /etc/services would be 465.

So, do you have a firewall?

> I know that whenever I make changes to exim configuration or to the
> inetd.conf file, I must restart. Will both of these commands do it
> (I'm using debian Etch)? That is, does reconfiguring Exim also restart
> inetd, and does restarting inetd also rescan Exim4 configuration?
>
> # dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
> # /usr/sbin/initd restart
>

There is no such file as /usr/sbin/initd to restart.

Can we help you?X

However, there is /etc/init.d/exim4 restart.

Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:08:04 +0100
From: Steve Kemp <skx@debian.org>
To: Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com>
Cc: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Apt-Get or Aptitude

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On Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 12:04:34 -0600, Nate Duehr wrote:

> The main difference is that aptitude in default configuration mode will track
> dependencies added for packages requested and if no package needs the
> dependency anymore, it can remove it.

> apt-get isn't that smart.

  This is no longer the case, apt-get can do a similar thing. For  example upon my current system:

skx@vain:~$ apt-get install less
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
less is already the newest version.
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   libjpeg-progs jhead
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 13 not upgraded.

Can't find what you're looking for?X

Steve

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Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:02:56 -0000 From: Ed <doyleed@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: alsaconf and printing Message-ID: <13i7kdg8e87l542@corp.supernews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am new to Debian but basically I have it running, with at least two=20 problems. The first is every time I reboot, I have to run alsaconf=20 before I can get any audio. I haven't noticed any place where I should=20 save anything. Basically, I just bring up a terminal window, become=20 root, type alsaconf, follow the screens and eventually it tells me id is=20 done and to enjoy using it. Rhythmbox, for instance, then works=20 perfectly until I reboot. Then I have to run aslaconf again. The 2nd problem is with printing. I have my printer connected to another= =20 computer on my home network that is running samba. On the debian=20 computer, I choose Desktop->Administration->Printing and Add Printer. I=20 then follow all the screens (for windows printer (smb)) and it appears=20 everything is fine. It sees my network and the computer the printer is=20 connected to and all seems well until I get to the last screen. When I=20 hit Apply, this windows closes, and only the original Add printer window=20 is open with no new printer icon. I am not sure what is happening here. = =20 Other computers on my home network print fine through the samba server. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Ed Doyle

Date: 27 Oct 2007 20:46:40 -0400 From: Haines Brown <brownh@hartford-hwp.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: SMTP smart host authentication fails Message-ID: <87zly49ibz.fsf@teufel.hartford-hwp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> writes: > 1. In /etc/exim4/passwd.client I inserted this line (where "<PW>" is
> > my plain test password):
> >
> > mymail.myregisteredsite.com:hartford-hwp.com:<PW>
>
> Yeah, redirects sort of mess up exim. That's why I would use:
>
> *:[username]:[PW]
>
> Is your login user-name really hartford-hwp.com?
Yes, that is my username. So you are recommending: *:hartford-hwp.com:<PW> But can a wildcard replace the name of the server like this?
> > 2. In exim4 configuration, I have to specify the smtp server. In
> > /etc/exim4/update.exim.conf.conf I have the line:
> >
> > dc_smarthost='mymail.myregisteredsite.com'
> >
>
> I would stick to the name they gave you. Otherwise, exim will try to
> contact that box directly and that box is likely configured to only
> acccept stuff from smtp.hardford-hwp.com
OK, I'll revert as you suggest.
> > 3. I have not specified the authentication method. After speaking with
> > my tech support supervisor's supervisor, all I could get was that
> > the authentication method is "basic", "ordinary". Only later one
> > person suggested that "basic" is really plain
> > authentication. Assuming this is correct, I did not make any
> > changes to the /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template file, which
> > apparently defaults to the plain text authentication method. I have
> > no trouble accessing the POP server.
>
> Is your pop-server username hartford-hwp.com as well?
Pop sercver is pop.hartford-hwp.com; smtp server is smtp.hartford-hwp.com
> inetd.conf is for incoming ports. Opening a port in the sense they mean
> is opening a port in your own firewall to let exim call out on port 587.
> The standard port per /etc/services would be 465.
I reverted to port 25, but no luck
> So, do you have a firewall?
This may be my problem: I have a hardware firewall. However, if I'm using port 25 for smtp, wouldn't my firewall let it through? Is the fact that it's now SSL require a change in my hardware firewall?
> > I know that whenever I make changes to exim configuration or to the
> > inetd.conf file, I must restart. Will both of these commands do it
> > (I'm using debian Etch)? That is, does reconfiguring Exim also restart
> > inetd, and does restarting inetd also rescan Exim4 configuration?
> >
> > # dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
> > # /usr/sbin/initd restart
> >
>
> There is no such file as /usr/sbin/initd to restart.
>
> However, there is /etc/init.d/exim4 restart.
Ouch. I was led astray here. Running the command didn't have cause feedback, which I took as good news. I'm now using # invoke-rc.d exim4 restart , which I assume does the same as # /etc/init.d/exim4 restart My problem may be my hardware firewall, not so much the port, but the protocol for SSL SMTP smtp or smtps?). -- Haines Brown, KB1GRM

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:10:12 -0400 From: Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <ghostbar38@gmail.com> To: Debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Joomla Message-ID: <4723E174.30909@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig292ECC2F69553B41377747FF" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig292ECC2F69553B41377747FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> Well, that is one reason I guess. Do you happen to know why security
> updates to Joomla would take any longer than security updates to any
> other Debian package in stable? I'm just curious as Debian has Zope,
> Plone, Drupal, several wiki's, egroupware, and phpgroupware packages in=

> stable. What is so different about Joomla?
> I don't know anything about it other than I from what I read on their
> website today, but it seems to me that most GPL'ed software is in Debia=
n
> so my curiosity has been piqued. Joomla and webmin are two rather star=
k
> exceptions to the inclusiveness that I find in the Debian repositories,=

> and I have read the reasoning behind why Debian dropped webmin.
Well, drupal in stable is old, normally you want the newest and stable, you can find in etch the stable but not the new. That's maybe, and maybe there've not been anyone taking care good enough of the package. Regards, Jose Luis. --=20 ghostbar on debian linux 'sid' 2.6.22 x86_64-SMP - #382503 Weblog: http://ghostbar.ath.cx/ - http://linuxtachira.org http://debian.org.ve - irc.debian.org #debian-ve #debian-devel-es San Crist=C3=B3bal, Venezuela. http://chaslug.org.ve GPG: 0xCACAB118 --------------enig292ECC2F69553B41377747FF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHI+F0OKCtW8rKsRgRAqSZAJ9yJdj9+87Z7HWchooKiU+nYoY1ewCeNO8K jX1ImwnMAHjmbMK7tV+jUHA= =8EgT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig292ECC2F69553B41377747FF--

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:12:21 -0400 From: Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <ghostbar38@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Best Kernel? Message-ID: <4723E1F5.7010408@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig86DCB38229D154C904985923" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig86DCB38229D154C904985923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 02:18:39PM -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wro=
te:
>> Kelly Clowers wrote:
>>> The cpuid program should be able to tell you if you have a 32 bit
>>> Sempron or a 64 bit Sempron. Even if you have a Sempron64, I
>>> am not sure if you can/should run a 64 bit kernel while using
>>> Debian's i386 arch.
>> No, you need to use a complete 64bit userland for using amd64,
>> translation: You have to reinstall your machine.
>=20
> No, I believe that the 64-bit kernel + 32-bit userland is a valid optio=
n
> in Debian. That's why there's a 64-bit kernel in i386.
>=20
> Doug.
>=20
>=20
Well, if you install the 32bit userland + 64bit kernel + X.Org it wont work. :-) Regards, Jose Luis. --=20 ghostbar on debian linux 'sid' 2.6.22 x86_64-SMP - #382503 Weblog: http://ghostbar.ath.cx/ - http://linuxtachira.org http://debian.org.ve - irc.debian.org #debian-ve #debian-devel-es San Crist=C3=B3bal, Venezuela. http://chaslug.org.ve GPG: 0xCACAB118 --------------enig86DCB38229D154C904985923 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHI+H1OKCtW8rKsRgRAoekAKC/cnLPwL1WTC2oFmXlYrn9YCxutACgwUUc Uo03u2IoQKhPKzSpIzhzQLI= =XuxK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig86DCB38229D154C904985923--

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:13:37 -0400 From: Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <ghostbar38@gmail.com> To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: gnome screensavers - can I get more? Message-ID: <4723E241.9050102@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3560FC9EB538DFECAF26EBBD" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3560FC9EB538DFECAF26EBBD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Martin Waller wrote:
>=20
> aah - I only get this error through a vnc connection (running
> vnc4server, etch package version 4.1.1+X4.3) - at the actual box it
> seems to work OK...?
Then the vnc is running under 16bits depth, that's why ;-). --=20 ghostbar on debian linux 'sid' 2.6.22 x86_64-SMP - #382503 Weblog: http://ghostbar.ath.cx/ - http://linuxtachira.org http://debian.org.ve - irc.debian.org #debian-ve #debian-devel-es San Crist=C3=B3bal, Venezuela. http://chaslug.org.ve GPG: 0xCACAB118 --------------enig3560FC9EB538DFECAF26EBBD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHI+JCOKCtW8rKsRgRAihnAJ9QVJftOil8alalqmdHpPcruL+qSACcDz9k YBcbYgFNxQRoX17Jt9iBONw= =+KWx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3560FC9EB538DFECAF26EBBD-- End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2690 ************************************************** Received on Sat Oct 27 21:36:18 2007

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