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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2701

Today's Topics:

  Re: Contacts printing                 [ Rodolfo Medina  ]
  Re: New Server                        [ ieb  ]
  Re: Telnet/SSH Terminal Help          [ "Jeff Grossman"  ]
  Re: Silly question: Where's eth0?     [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  intall nvidia driver on debian lenny  [ Bogdan Marian 

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:47:01 +0100
From: Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Contacts printing
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 01:12:06PM +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

>> >>> I wish a way to print the
>> >>> Contacts (about 300) that I have stored in a directory, one per file.

Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> writes:

Do you need help?X

>> >> I think you just need to write a script in your favorite language to
>> >> parse the files and format it to your liking then just print it out.

Rodolfo:  

>> > Every file is like this:
>> >
>> > BEGIN:VCARD
>> > VERSION:2.1
>> > N:;Oliver Hardy ;;;
>> > TEL;CELL:3391234567
>> > TEL;VOICE;HOME:081123567
>> > FN:Oliver Hardy
>> > END:VCARD
>> >
>> > , so the major problem would be sorting: how to sort whole items like that?

"Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> writes:

>> > So, assume that anything is possible:
>> >
>> > 1. What do you want to do?

Rodolfo:  

>> I want to cat all those file into one file and then sort the above entries, I
>> don't know how. I also want to eliminate redundant symbols and words like
>> `BEGIN:VCARD', `END:VCARD', `N:;', `VERSION:2.1' etc.

Douglas:  

Do you need more help?X

>> > 2. In what language do you want to do it?

Rodolfo:  

>> This is the same for me.

Douglas:

> What I mean is, in which programming language(s) are you proficient?

None.
Rodolfo

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:56:55 -0400
From: Ed Curtis <e_curtis@homes2see.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: New Server

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Can we help you?X

David A. Parker wrote:

> Ed Curtis wrote:

>> I'm getting ready to build a new server. Has anyone on the list had
>> any problems or used Silicon Mechanics before. I'm checking out some
>> quotes from there. They use Nvida MCP55 Pro dual nics in their
>> system. I thought I had heard about problems with Nvida nics in the
>> past on the list but Google hasn't given me any bad new about them.
>>

>> TIA for any info,
>>

>> Ed
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I recently built a box with an onboard Nvidia NIC, and it didn't work 
> under Etch.  I spent several days Googling and troubleshooting it 
> until I finally gave up and installed a PCI NIC I knew would work.  
> The problem seemed to boil down to the fact that the forcedeth driver 
> was not able to query to NIC properly to get its MAC address, so it 
> would just assign a random MAC address to it instead.  Because of 
> this, the NIC got a different device designation (eth0, eth1, etc.) 
> each time the computer booted, and it wasn't possible to use udev to 
Can't find what you're looking for?X
> fix it since the MAC address was always different. > > One of my Google searches brought up a post that said this was fixed > in the forcedeth driver in testing, but I didn't try it. > > - Dave >

Sounds like I'll just add a Intel Pro/1000 Dual Port adapter to it then and not worry about the Nvidia nic.

Ed

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:41:37 +0000
From: ieb <ieb@klokwurx.co.uk>
To: Ed Curtis <e_curtis@homes2see.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: New Server

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On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 13:59, Ed Curtis wrote:

> I'm getting ready to build a new server. Has anyone on the list had any 
> problems or used Silicon Mechanics before. I'm checking out some quotes 
> from there. They use Nvida MCP55 Pro dual nics in their system. I 
> thought I had heard about problems with Nvida nics in the past on the 
> list but Google hasn't given me any bad new about them.
> 
> TIA for any info,
> 
> Ed
> 

I ted using NVidia with my new box when I first set it up a couple of months back (using 'testing'). I never did get it to work reliably even with the help of many folks from this list.

I eventually ditched it after having wasted more than 2 weeks of effort and much frustration.

So, .... my advice would be .... don't waste your time with it.

Don't know where to look next?X

Ian

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeff Grossman" <jeff@stikman.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Telnet/SSH Terminal Help

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> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 06:03:01AM -0700, Jeff Grossman wrote:
>> >

>>
>>> If I do an 'export LC_ALL=3DC' then term=3Dlinux and term=3Dscreen ap= pear to
>>> act the same.  The display is much better but still not perfect.  I
>>> have
>>> updated a new picture at 
http://www.stikman.com/mcdisplay1.jpg.
>>>
>>>
>>

>> What about TERM=3Dscreen ?
>>

>> Doug

> Same thing. It does not like the vertical lines. Actually, it does no= t
> like the right hand vertical lines. The left side appears to be workin= g
> fine.
>
> Jeff

Where should I put the 'export LC_ALL=3DC' command so it is always done f= or
each login and for each user? The /etc/bash.bashrc file?

Thanks,
Jeff

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:40:17 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Silly question: Where's eth0? Message-ID: <20071029154017.GU1761@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 09:08:06PM +0000, Joe wrote:

> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

>> anyway, I didn't mean to offend, and I apologise.
>
> No offence taken, no apology necessary. If you can't talk straight on=20
> Usenet, where can you? There's a fairly broad line between robust=20
> discussion and deliberate insult, which isn't often crossed here.
>

:)

the first rule of usenet is...

;-)

A

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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:46:19 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: 2.3.0 ooffice
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 04:20:44PM +0100, Pavel SRB wrote:

> hi all
>
> as i am still fighting with oofice, i was thinking about getting the newe=
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> version. Now I have 2.4.0 downloaded via apt-get. I was searching for a= =20
> while internet, about new sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list to have 2.3= =2E0=20
> available. Here i found that this version is available as experimental.
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> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/editors/openoffice.org > > so i add to my list > > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free > > but after > apt-get update

that only updates the list of available packages *and* if 2.4 is what you really have (where did you get that? I've only got 2.2.1-10 available here), then it's newer than 2.3 and won't get replced by the older version. You'll have to remove it and then install with=20

apt-get -t experimental install openoffice.org

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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:20:44 +0100
From: Pavel SRB <srb@heckler-koch.cz>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: 2.3.0 ooffice

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hi all

as i am still fighting with oofice, i was thinking about getting the newest version. Now I have 2.4.0 downloaded via apt-get. I was searching for a while internet, about new sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list to have 2.3.0 available. Here i found that this version is available as experimental.
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/editors/openoffice.org

Can we help you?X

so i add to my list

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free

but after
apt-get update
i still get answer i already have newest.

did i add this experimental line correctly?

thank you

Pavel SRB

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:14:44 +0200
From: Bogdan Marian <mendingo84@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: intall nvidia driver on debian lenny

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Hey,

I followed this guide to install the proprietary drivers from Nvidia: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/27/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/ but i have no luck. X won't start if i let the "Driver "nvidiA"" section in xorg.conf untouched.
Can anyone guide me plz?

Bogdan

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:28:37 -0700
From: John Wojnaroski <castle@mminternet.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: intall nvidia driver on debian lenny]

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Bogdan Marian wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I followed this guide to install the proprietary drivers from Nvidia: 
> 
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/27/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/ 
> but i have no luck. X won't start if i let the "Driver   "nvidiA"" 
> section in xorg.conf untouched.
> Can anyone guide me plz?
>
> Bogdan
>
>

You need to at least post a copy of your xorg.conf file. And look in /var/log for the log file. There is a file called X.org.0.log that might help show any errors that X encountered when starting.

JW

Don't know where to look next?X

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:30:12 -0400
From: Sarunas Burdulis <sarunas@math.dartmouth.edu> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: 2.3.0 ooffice

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Pavel SRB wrote:

> hi all
> 
> as i am still fighting with oofice, i was thinking about getting the
> newest version. Now I have 2.4.0 downloaded via apt-get. I was searching
> for a while internet, about new sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list to
> have 2.3.0 available. Here i found that this version is available as
> experimental.
> 
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/editors/openoffice.org
> 
> so i add to my list
> 
> deb 
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
> 
> but after
> apt-get update
> i still get answer i already have newest.
> 
> did i add this experimental line correctly?
> 

The line is correct. You can check on what Debian "thinks" about ooffice versions (given your sources.list) by:

apt-cache policy openoffice.org

Then you might be able to install the needed version by, for example:

apt-get install openoffice.org=<version-number>

or

Confused? Frustrated?X

apt-get install -t <release> openoffice.org

OOo though has a lot of dependencies, so there might be quite a few packages/libraries to reinstall. And some libraries might be essential to other parts of your system...

Sarunas
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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:38:21 +0200
From: Bogdan Marian <mendingo84@gmail.com> To: John Wojnaroski <castle@mminternet.com> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: intall nvidia driver on debian lenny

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John Wojnaroski wrote:

> Bogdan Marian wrote:
>

>> Hey,
>>

>> I followed this guide to install the proprietary drivers from Nvidia:
>> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/27/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/
>> but i have no luck. X won't start if i let the "Driver "nvidiA""
>> section in xorg.conf untouched.
>> Can anyone guide me plz?
>>

>> Bogdan
>>
>>
> You need to at least post a copy of your xorg.conf file.  And look in 
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> /var/log for the log file. There is a file called X.org.0.log that > might help show any errors that X encountered when starting. > > JW > >

Hey,

You are right...
Here is my xorg.conf:

# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xconfig: version 1.0 (buildmeister@builder3) Wed Sep 12 14:29:35 PDT 2007

# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier     "Default Layout"
    Screen         "Default Screen" 0 0

    InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
    InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
EndSection
Do you need help?X

Section "Files"

        # path to defoma fonts
    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
    FontPath        "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"

    Load           "i2c"
Do you need more help?X
Load "bitmap" Load "ddc" Load "extmod" Load "freetype" Load "glx" Load "int10" Load "vbe"

EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

    Identifier     "Generic Keyboard"
    Driver         "kbd"
    Option         "CoreKeyboard"
    Option         "XkbRules" "xorg"
    Option         "XkbModel" "pc104"
    Option         "XkbLayout" "us"

EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

    Identifier     "Configured Mouse"
    Driver         "mouse"
    Option         "CorePointer"
    Option         "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
    Option         "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
    Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"

    Identifier     "Generic Monitor"
    HorizSync       28.0 - 64.0
    VertRefresh     43.0 - 60.0
    Option         "DPMS"

EndSection

Section "Device"

 #   Driver         "nvidia"
    Identifier     "Generic Video Card"
    Driver         "nvidia"

EndSection

Section "Screen"

    Identifier     "Default Screen"
    Device         "Generic Video Card"
    Monitor        "Generic Monitor"
    DefaultDepth    24
    SubSection     "Display"
        Depth       1
        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection     "Display"
        Depth       4
        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
  EndSubSection
    SubSection     "Display"
        Depth       8
        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection     "Display"
        Depth       15
        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection     "Display"
        Depth       16
        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection     "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
EndSection

What i can find in the log is :
(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)

Can we help you?X

Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
Could not init font path element
/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, removing from list!

Bogdan

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:03:42 -0700
From: John Wojnaroski <castle@mminternet.com> To: Bogdan Marian <mendingo84@gmail.com> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: intall nvidia driver on debian lenny

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Bogdan Marian wrote:

> John Wojnaroski wrote:
>

>> Bogdan Marian wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I followed this guide to install the proprietary drivers from 
>>> Nvidia: 
>>> 
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/27/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/ 
>>> but i have no luck. X won't start if i let the "Driver   "nvidiA"" 
>>> section in xorg.conf untouched.
>>> Can anyone guide me plz?
>>>
>>> Bogdan
>>>
>>>

>> You need to at least post a copy of your xorg.conf file. And look in
>> /var/log for the log file. There is a file called X.org.0.log that
>> might help show any errors that X encountered when starting.
>>

>> JW
>>
>>
> Hey,
>
> You are right...
> Here is my xorg.conf:
>
> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
> # nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (buildmeister@builder3)  Wed Sep 12 
> 14:29:35 PDT 2007
>
> # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
> #
> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, 
> using
> # values from the debconf database.
> #
> # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual 
> page.
> # (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
> #
> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades 
> *only*
> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
> # package.
> #
> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically 
> updated
> # again, run the following command:
> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
>
> Section "ServerLayout"
>    Identifier     "Default Layout"
>    Screen         "Default Screen" 0 0
>    InputDevice    "Generic Keyboard"
>    InputDevice    "Configured Mouse"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Files"
>
>        # path to defoma fonts
>    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
>    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
>    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
>    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
>    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
Don't know where to look next?X
> FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled" > FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1" > FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi" > FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi" > FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" > FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "i2c" > Load "bitmap" > Load "ddc" > Load "extmod" > Load "freetype" > Load "glx" > Load "int10" > Load "vbe" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Generic Keyboard" > Driver "kbd" > Option "CoreKeyboard" > Option "XkbRules" "xorg" > Option "XkbModel" "pc104" > Option "XkbLayout" "us" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Configured Mouse" > Driver "mouse" > Option "CorePointer" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Generic Monitor" > HorizSync 28.0 - 64.0 > VertRefresh 43.0 - 60.0 > Option "DPMS" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > > # Driver "nvidia" > Identifier "Generic Video Card" > Driver "nvidia" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Default Screen" > Device "Generic Video Card"
Confused? Frustrated?X
> Monitor "Generic Monitor" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 1 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 4 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 8 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 15 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 16 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > > > What i can find in the log is : > (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver > not found) > > Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, > removing from list! > Could not init font path element > /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, removing from list! > > > Bogdan >

Off hand, nothing jumps out at me regards the xorg.conf file. That error msg should not have crashed X, per se. Check further down and see if the Nvidia card is properly identified as to to type and PCI address; for an AGP card usually PCI:1:0:0

Can you confirm that the nvidia drive "nvidia.ko" is in fact on your system and located in the /lib/modules section for your version of linux?

JW

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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:50:10 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: going from XFCE to Gnome?
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On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 03:24:28AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:

> On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 21:12 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > As far as the fam vs. gamin problem is concerned,
> > aptitude figured out the correct course of action all by itself. It
> > proposed to ignore the recommendation of fam by these two packages and
> > to leave fam uninstalled, thus keeping gamin intact on your system, for
> > both XFCE and Gnome to use. All you had to do was to accept the proposed
> > solution.
Do you need help?X
> >=20 > > Running aptitude --without-recommends sidestepped the problem, but now > > you might be missing some Gnome features which are implemented by other > > recommended packages. >=20 >=20 > I found a few problems on my system (Lenny/testing) after I replaced fam > with gamin: >=20 > 1) Menus in OO.org took many seconds to open -- at least 15, perhaps > 20. This was extremely irritating and made OO.org a pain to use.

do you perhaps have the openoffice.org-gnome package installed? that integrates with GnomeVFS and other stuff. You may want to try adding or removing that package to see if that makes a difference.=20

>=20
> 2)  The GNOME trash applet no longer updated to show when there were
> items in the trash.  I could no longer empty the trash from the panel.
> Not such a big deal, but I typically have most windows on most desktops
> maximized so I don't usually make use of any icons on the desktop.  So I
> found it convenient to empty the trash from the panel.
>=20
> 3)  Nautilus was considerably slower to respond to any attempts to open
> a new window.  The problem wasn't as severe as the problem with OO.org
>=20
> Restoring fam and removing gamin put things back to normal.=20

just out of curiosity, what other packages got pulled in/out as a result of this?=20

> But the
> reason I installed gamin in the first place is that exaile requires it,
> so in the end I decided to remove a lot of GNOME and am using Openbox
> instead.  OO.org works fine with gamin, as long as you aren't using it
> under GNOME.  If you use it under GNOME, it appears you need fam, or
> will face some major irritation.  I still use the GNOME panel, mainly
> because I love Tomboy and find a few other features of that panel
> appealing, but I no longer use the Trash applet nor the trash bin at
> all.  I'm no longer using Nautilus, though it is still installed.  I can
> get by pretty well with mc and the command line.
>=20
> So much for Linux "just working."  When they tell you Linux is "about
> choice," they often forget to mention that you'll find your choices
Do you need more help?X
> restricted by packages and apps that do not play as well together as > they are supposed to. GNOME is a really nice DE, but I am sick and > tired of my choices being restricted by using it. >

I understand you are frustrated. FWIW, I found things "just work" much better if you get out of the main DE's. They force lots of stuff on you in order to set up their environments, but as a result the possibilities of conflicting are much higher...=20

A

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