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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2703

Today's Topics: 

  Re: intall nvidia driver on debian l  [ Bogdan Marian  ]
  Re: When I try to save html pages, n  [ tom arnall  ]
  Re: When I try to save html pages, n  [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: When I try to save html pages, n  [ tom arnall  ]
  Re: Best Kernel?                      [ "Douglas A. Tutty" 

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:23:36 +0200


From: Bogdan Marian <mendingo84@gmail.com>
To: John Wojnaroski <castle@mminternet.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: intall nvidia driver on debian lenny

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John Wojnaroski wrote:

> Bogdan Marian wrote:
>
>> John Wojnaroski wrote:
>>
>>> Bogdan Marian wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Wojnaroski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bogdan Marian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I followed this guide to install the proprietary drivers from 
>>>>>> Nvidia: 
>>>>>> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/27/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/ 
>>>>>> but i have no luck. X won't start if i let the "Driver   
>>>>>> "nvidiA"" section in xorg.conf untouched.
>>>>>> Can anyone guide me plz?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bogdan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> You need to at least post a copy of your xorg.conf file.  And look 
>>>>> in /var/log for the log file.  There is a file called X.org.0.log 
>>>>> that might help show any errors that X encountered when starting.
>>>>>
>>>>> JW
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> You are right...
>>>> Here is my xorg.conf:
>>>>
>>>> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
>>>> # nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (buildmeister@builder3)  Wed Sep 12 
>>>> 14:29:35 PDT 2007

>>>>
>>>> # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
>>>> #
>>>> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration 
>>>> tool, using
>>>> # values from the debconf database.
>>>> #
>>>> # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf 
>>>> manual page.
>>>> # (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
>>>> #
>>>> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package 
>>>> upgrades *only*
>>>> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the 
>>>> xserver-xorg
>>>> # package.
>>>> #
>>>> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be 
>>>> automatically updated
>>>> # again, run the following command:
>>>> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
>>>>
>>>> Section "ServerLayout"
>>>>    Identifier     "Default Layout"
>>>>    Screen         "Default Screen" 0 0
>>>>    InputDevice    "Generic Keyboard"
>>>>    InputDevice    "Configured Mouse"
>>>> EndSection
>>>>
>>>> Section "Files"
>>>>
>>>>        # path to defoma fonts
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
>>>>    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
>>>>    FontPath        "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
>>>> EndSection
>>>>
>>>> Section "Module"
>>>>    Load           "i2c"
>>>>    Load           "bitmap"
>>>>    Load           "ddc"
>>>>    Load           "extmod"
>>>>   Load           "freetype"
>>>>    Load           "glx"
>>>>    Load           "int10"
>>>>    Load           "vbe"
>>>> EndSection
>>>>
>>>> Section "InputDevice"
>>>>    Identifier     "Generic Keyboard"
>>>>    Driver         "kbd"
>>>>    Option         "CoreKeyboard"
>>>>    Option         "XkbRules" "xorg"
>>>>    Option         "XkbModel" "pc104"
>>>>    Option         "XkbLayout" "us"
>>>> EndSection
>>>>
>>>> Section "InputDevice"
>>>>    Identifier     "Configured Mouse"
>>>>    Driver         "mouse"
>>>>    Option         "CorePointer"
>>>>    Option         "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
>>>>    Option         "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
>>>>    Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
>>>> EndSection
>>>>
>>>> Section "Monitor"
>>>>    Identifier     "Generic Monitor"
>>>>    HorizSync       28.0 - 64.0
>>>>    VertRefresh     43.0 - 60.0
>>>>    Option         "DPMS"
>>>> EndSection
>>>>
>>>> Section "Device"
>>>>
>>>> #   Driver         "nvidia"
>>>>    Identifier     "Generic Video Card"
>>>>    Driver         "nvidia"
>>>> EndSection
>>>>
>>>> Section "Screen"
>>>>    Identifier     "Default Screen"
>>>>    Device         "Generic Video Card"
>>>>    Monitor        "Generic Monitor"
>>>>    DefaultDepth    24
>>>>    SubSection     "Display"
>>>>        Depth       1
>>>>        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
>>>>    EndSubSection
>>>>    SubSection     "Display"
>>>>        Depth       4
>>>>        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
>>>>  EndSubSection
>>>>    SubSection     "Display"
>>>>        Depth       8
>>>>        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
>>>>    EndSubSection
>>>>    SubSection     "Display"
>>>>        Depth       15
>>>>        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
>>>>    EndSubSection
>>>>    SubSection     "Display"
>>>>        Depth       16
>>>>        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
>>>>    EndSubSection
>>>>    SubSection     "Display"
>>>>        Depth       24
>>>>        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
>>>>    EndSubSection
>>>> EndSection
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What i can find in the log is :
>>>> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver 
>>>> not found)
>>>>
>>>> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, 
>>>> removing from list!
>>>> Could not init font path element 
>>>> /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, removing from list!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bogdan
>>>>
>>> Off hand, nothing jumps out at me regards the xorg.conf file.  That 
>>> error msg should not have crashed X, per se.  Check further down and 
>>> see if the Nvidia card is properly identified as to to type and PCI 
>>> address; for an AGP card usually PCI:1:0:0
>>>
>>> Can you confirm that the nvidia drive "nvidia.ko" is in fact on your 
>>> system and located in the /lib/modules section for your version of 
>>> linux?
>>>
>>> JW
>>>
>>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Yes, the driver is there... I forgot to mention that i have 2 
>> linux-headers installed (2.6.18-5-686  2.6.22-2-686). I suppose the 
>> one for Lenny is the one with 2.6.22... and nvidia.ko is in both of 
>> them...Oh, and my graphic card is an FX 5200
>>
>> Bogdan
>>
>>
> Sorry, I should have asked earlier.   Was X working before you 
> installed the new Nvidia driver?  Can you go back to that system 
> configuration and run X?
>
> JW
>
>
>
>


Hello.



Yes, it was running with the free version of the driver. I can 
successfully start if i change the Driver section to "nv" from "nvidia". 
In fact, that's how i'm able to send you this mail.



Bogdan


Do you need help?X

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:49:07 +0100


From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: tetex-base: Conflicts: jadetex (<= 3.13-6) but 3.13-6 is to be


        installed

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On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 15:24:00 +0100, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:

> Could someone please let me know what this is supposed to mean:
> 
> tetex-base: Conflicts: jadetex (<= 3.13-6) but 3.13-6 is to be installed
> 
> Command:
> 
> $ sudo apt-get  install  docbook-utils jadetex tetex-bin tetex-extra tetex-base
> 
> on debian oldstable (sarge)

It seems that you are trying to install Etch's version of tetex-base
together with Sarge's version of jadetex. Please post the output of



apt-cache policy jadetex tetex-base


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http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |


Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:12:05 +0100 (CET)
From: Tim Gruene <tim@runnwerth.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: texlive: command reference
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Hello,

with tetex the documentation contained a command reference, and e.g. a 
list of symbols which was very easy to locate with the main index.html 
file.

I can only find a vast, rather unordered list of documents in many 
different directories with the 'new' texlive distribution in Debian lenny 
(or etch).

Is there at least the command reference in the texlive distribution? If 
so, where is it?
Cheers, Tim



Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:19:04 -0700
From: tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: When I try to save html pages, nothing happens
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On Monday 29 October 2007 13:11, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 01:05:34PM -0700, tom arnall wrote:
> > When I try to save html pages or whatever with firefox, nothing happe=

ns.

> > (i recently screwed up the permissions on my system.) but if i start =

it

> > as root ('sudo'), or use iceape, all is ok.
>
> what specifically happens? do you get a save dialog at all? does it
> seem to save but leave no file?
>
> regardless of the above, based on your whole permissions history, I'd
> say you should remove and reinstall firefox as a good starting point.
>
> A


no save dialog, tho' nothing like a complaint that it can't save. it acts=
 in=20
other words as if a good save except that nothing gets save, BUT if i loo=
k in=20
the ff error console, i find:

	Error: null has no properties
	Source File: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/downloads.js
	Line: 545

	Error: not well-formed
	Source File: file:///home/kloro/.mozilla/firefox/uvxnoydh.Default%20User=
/\
	downloads.rdf
	Line: 3125, Column: 36
	Source Code:
	  <RDF:Description RDF:about=3D"/tmp/=C3=89-=C3=85(=C3=9E=C2=B7=C2=B2=C3=
=8E=C3=92=C3=92.mp3"---

	Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "ServiceManager::\
	GetService returned failure code:"  nsresult: \
	"0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE)"  location: \
	"JS frame :: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/\
	downloads.js :: Startup :: line 476"  data: no]

	Error: null has no properties
	Source File: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/downloads.js
	Line: 545

 =20

also, when i did reinstall, i got the message:

	Reading changelogs... Done
	Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kloro" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
	Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-rootcohchy"
	Error: "/tmp/kde-kloro" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
	Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
	Error: "/tmp/ksocket-kloroyr3bC5" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
	Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"
	Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kloro" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
	Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-rootcohchy"
	apt-listchanges: Do you want to continue? [Y/n]?

thanks,

tom


Do you need more help?X

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:53:38 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: When I try to save html pages, nothing happens
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 02:19:04PM -0700, tom arnall wrote:

> On Monday 29 October 2007 13:11, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 01:05:34PM -0700, tom arnall wrote:
> > > When I try to save html pages or whatever with firefox, nothing happe=

ns.

> > > (i recently screwed up the permissions on my system.) but if i start =

it

> > > as root ('sudo'), or use iceape, all is ok.
> >
> > what specifically happens? do you get a save dialog at all? does it
> > seem to save but leave no file?
> >
> > regardless of the above, based on your whole permissions history, I'd
> > say you should remove and reinstall firefox as a good starting point.
> >
> > A
>=20
> no save dialog, tho' nothing like a complaint that it can't save. it acts=

 in=20

> other words as if a good save except that nothing gets save,


except that saving the page should pop up a save dialog, so its
 definitely not working properly.


> BUT if i look in=20
> the ff error console, i find:
>=20
> 	Error: null has no properties
> 	Source File: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/downloads.js
> 	Line: 545
>=20
> 	Error: not well-formed
> 	Source File: file:///home/kloro/.mozilla/firefox/uvxnoydh.Default%20User=

/\

> 	downloads.rdf
> 	Line: 3125, Column: 36
> 	Source Code:
> 	  <RDF:Description RDF:about=3D"/tmp/=C9-=C5(=DE=B7=B2=CE=D2=D2.mp3"---
>=20
> 	Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "ServiceManager::\
> 	GetService returned failure code:"  nsresult: \
> 	"0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE)"  location: \
> 	"JS frame :: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/\
> 	downloads.js :: Startup :: line 476"  data: no]
>=20
> 	Error: null has no properties
> 	Source File: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/downloads.js
> 	Line: 545
>=20


I don't know about this at all, but below...


>  =20
>=20
> also, when i did reinstall, i got the message:
>=20
> 	Reading changelogs... Done
> 	Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kloro" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
> 	Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-rootcohchy"
> 	Error: "/tmp/kde-kloro" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
> 	Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
> 	Error: "/tmp/ksocket-kloroyr3bC5" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
> 	Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"
> 	Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kloro" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
> 	Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-rootcohchy"
> 	apt-listchanges: Do you want to continue? [Y/n]?


what are the perms of /var itself and its subdirs?  mine looks like
this:


andrew@basement:~/.emacs.d$ ls -ld /var
drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 1.0K 2007-08-04 09:05 /var
andrew@basement:~/.emacs.d$ ls -l /var
total 26K
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  1.0K 2007-10-29 06:25 backups
drwxr-xr-x 17 root root  1.0K 2007-10-16 18:08 cache
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  1.0K 2006-09-26 16:59 games
drwxr-xr-x 52 root root  1.0K 2007-10-18 11:23 lib
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff 1.0K 2004-12-15 14:55 local
drwxrwxrwt  2 root root  1.0K 2007-10-19 09:49 lock
drwxr-xr-x 13 root root  3.0K 2007-10-29 11:52 log
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   12K 2006-07-28 18:39 lost+found
drwxrwxrwt  2 root mail  1.0K 2007-10-29 14:00 mail
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  1.0K 2006-07-28 18:40 opt
drwxr-xr-x 21 root root  1.0K 2007-10-29 11:46 run
drwxr-xr-x 10 root root  1.0K 2007-09-06 11:48 spool
drwxrwxrwt  4 root root  1.0K 2007-10-29 11:52 tmp

anything under /var/tmp should be owned by root (UID 0), and not you
(UID 1000, probably), so start there.=20

hth.

A

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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:50:39 -0400
From: Nick Lidakis <nlidakis@verizon.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: intall nvidia driver on debian lenny
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Bogdan Marian wrote:


> Hello.
> 
> Yes, it was running with the free version of the driver. I can 
> successfully start if i change the Driver section to "nv" from "nvidia". 
> In fact, that's how i'm able to send you this mail.
> 


I had a similar problem once; realized I forgot to do "apt-get install 
nvidia-glx" which creates some necessary TLS links.



Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:35:13 -0700
From: tom arnall <kloro2006@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: When I try to save html pages, nothing happens
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On Monday 29 October 2007 14:53, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 02:19:04PM -0700, tom arnall wrote:
> > On Monday 29 October 2007 13:11, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 01:05:34PM -0700, tom arnall wrote:
> > > > When I try to save html pages or whatever with firefox, nothing
> > > > happens. (i recently screwed up the permissions on my system.) bu=

t if

> > > > i start it as root ('sudo'), or use iceape, all is ok.
> > >
> > > what specifically happens? do you get a save dialog at all? does it
> > > seem to save but leave no file?
> > >
> > > regardless of the above, based on your whole permissions history, I=

'd

> > > say you should remove and reinstall firefox as a good starting poin=

t.

> > >
> > > A
> >
> > no save dialog, tho' nothing like a complaint that it can't save. it =

acts

> > in other words as if a good save except that nothing gets save,
>
> except that saving the page should pop up a save dialog, so its
>  definitely not working properly.
>
> > BUT if i look in
> > the ff error console, i find:
> >
> > 	Error: null has no properties
> > 	Source File: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/downloads.js
> > 	Line: 545
> >
> > 	Error: not well-formed
> > 	Source File:
> > file:///home/kloro/.mozilla/firefox/uvxnoydh.Default%20User/\
> > downloads.rdf
> > 	Line: 3125, Column: 36
> > 	Source Code:
> > 	  <RDF:Description RDF:about=3D"/tmp/=C3=89-=C3=85(=C3=9E=C2=B7=C2=B2=

=C3=8E=C3=92=C3=92.mp3"---

> >
> > 	Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "ServiceManager::\
> > 	GetService returned failure code:"  nsresult: \
> > 	"0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE)"  location: \
> > 	"JS frame :: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/\
> > 	downloads.js :: Startup :: line 476"  data: no]
> >
> > 	Error: null has no properties
> > 	Source File: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/downloads.js
> > 	Line: 545
>
> I don't know about this at all, but below...
>
> > also, when i did reinstall, i got the message:
> >
> > 	Reading changelogs... Done
> > 	Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kloro" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid=

 0.

> > 	Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-rootcohchy"
> > 	Error: "/tmp/kde-kloro" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
> > 	Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
> > 	Error: "/tmp/ksocket-kloroyr3bC5" is owned by uid 1000 instead of ui=

d 0.

> > 	Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"
> > 	Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kloro" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid=

 0.

> > 	Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-rootcohchy"
> > 	apt-listchanges: Do you want to continue? [Y/n]?
>
> what are the perms of /var itself and its subdirs?  mine looks like
> this:
>
>
> andrew@basement:~/.emacs.d$ ls -ld /var
> drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 1.0K 2007-08-04 09:05 /var
> andrew@basement:~/.emacs.d$ ls -l /var
> total 26K
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  1.0K 2007-10-29 06:25 backups
> drwxr-xr-x 17 root root  1.0K 2007-10-16 18:08 cache
> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  1.0K 2006-09-26 16:59 games
> drwxr-xr-x 52 root root  1.0K 2007-10-18 11:23 lib
> drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff 1.0K 2004-12-15 14:55 local
> drwxrwxrwt  2 root root  1.0K 2007-10-19 09:49 lock
> drwxr-xr-x 13 root root  3.0K 2007-10-29 11:52 log
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   12K 2006-07-28 18:39 lost+found
> drwxrwxrwt  2 root mail  1.0K 2007-10-29 14:00 mail
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  1.0K 2006-07-28 18:40 opt
> drwxr-xr-x 21 root root  1.0K 2007-10-29 11:46 run
> drwxr-xr-x 10 root root  1.0K 2007-09-06 11:48 spool
> drwxrwxrwt  4 root root  1.0K 2007-10-29 11:52 tmp
>
> anything under /var/tmp should be owned by root (UID 0), and not you
> (UID 1000, probably), so start there.
>
> hth.
>
> A


did a chown -R on var/tmp. then started ff and got some error messages.=20
session as follows:

an:/$ cd tmp
kloro@debian:/tmp$ ls -l
total 1
srw-rw---- 1 kloro audio     0 2007-10-29 12:17=20
alsa-dmix-3591-1193685441-909804=3D
srwxrwxrwx 1 cwnn  nogroup   0 2007-10-29 12:15 cd_sockV4=3D
drwx------ 3 kloro kloro    72 2007-10-29 12:16 gconfd-kloro/
drwx------ 2 kloro kloro    96 2007-10-29 14:53 kde-kloro/
drwx------ 2 root  root     48 2007-10-29 14:06 kde-root/
drwx------ 3 kloro kloro   504 2007-10-29 14:19 ksocket-kloroyr3bC5/
drwx------ 2 root  root     48 2007-10-29 14:06 ksocket-root/
drwx------ 2 kloro kloro   528 2007-10-29 14:09 orbit-kloro/
drwx------ 2 kloro kloro    48 2007-10-29 12:30 plugtmp/
drwx------ 2 kloro kloro    80 2007-10-29 12:20 ssh-SJYMtO3390/
srwxrwxrwx 1 root  root      0 2007-10-29 12:15 td_sockV4=3D
kloro@debian:/tmp$ sudo chown root -R
chown: missing operand after `root'
Try `chown --help' for more information.
kloro@debian:/tmp$ sudo chown -R root
chown: missing operand after `root'
Try `chown --help' for more information.
kloro@debian:/tmp$ man chown
Reformatting chown(1), please wait...
kloro@debian:/tmp$ sudo chown -R root *
kloro@debian:/tmp$ ls -l
total 1
srw-rw---- 1 root audio     0 2007-10-29 12:17=20
alsa-dmix-3591-1193685441-909804=3D
srwxrwxrwx 1 root nogroup   0 2007-10-29 12:15 cd_sockV4=3D
drwx------ 3 root kloro    72 2007-10-29 12:16 gconfd-kloro/
drwx------ 2 root kloro    96 2007-10-29 14:53 kde-kloro/
drwx------ 2 root root     48 2007-10-29 14:06 kde-root/
drwx------ 3 root kloro   504 2007-10-29 14:19 ksocket-kloroyr3bC5/
drwx------ 2 root root     48 2007-10-29 14:06 ksocket-root/
drwx------ 2 root kloro   528 2007-10-29 14:09 orbit-kloro/
drwx------ 2 root kloro    48 2007-10-29 12:30 plugtmp/
drwx------ 2 root kloro    80 2007-10-29 12:20 ssh-SJYMtO3390/
srwxrwxrwx 1 root root      0 2007-10-29 12:15 td_sockV4=3D
kloro@debian:/tmp$ ff
kloro@debian:/tmp$ GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; s=
ome=20
possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, =
or=20
you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See=20
http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Details -  1: IOR=20
file '/tmp/gconfd-kloro/lock/ior' not opened successfully, no gconfd loca=
ted:=20
Permission denied 2: IOR file '/tmp/gconfd-kloro/lock/ior' not opened=20
successfully, no gconfd located: Permission denied)

** (Gecko:7526): WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/orbit-kloro is not the current=
 user

GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes=
 are=20
that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NF=
S=20
locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for=
=20
information. (Details -  1: IOR file '/tmp/gconfd-kloro/lock/ior' not ope=
ned=20
successfully, no gconfd located: Permission denied 2: IOR=20
file '/tmp/gconfd-kloro/lock/ior' not opened successfully, no gconfd loca=
ted:=20
Permission denied)

kloro@debian:/tmp$

kloro@debian:/$ ls -l
total 151
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   2488 2007-09-24 15:01 bin/
drwxrwxrwx   3 root root    928 2006-08-19 12:46 boot/
-rwxrwxrwx   1 root root  10098 2006-08-17 11:48 boot-log*
drwxrwxrwx   2 root root     48 2006-04-05 13:58 c:/
drwxrwxrwx   2 root root     48 2006-03-24 19:03 cd/
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     11 2005-12-19 02:57 cdrom -> media/cdrom/
drwxr-xr-x  13 root root  13220 2007-10-29 12:16 dev/
drwxrwxrwx 157 root root   8736 2007-10-29 14:08 etc/
-rwxrwxrwx   1 root root  18328 2007-02-03 13:29 exp.k3b*
drwxrwxrwx   6 root staff   144 2006-10-30 14:16 home/
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root     48 2005-12-19 02:57 initrd/
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     28 2006-04-16 01:47 initrd.img ->=20
boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-386*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     27 2005-12-19 02:59 initrd.img.old ->=20
boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386*
drwxr-xr-x  14 root root   4744 2007-09-24 15:18 lib/
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   1777 2006-09-22 18:07 lotsaclocks.css
drwxr-xr-x   3 root root    128 2007-01-12 14:37 media/
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root     48 2004-12-15 14:55 mnt/
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root     48 2005-12-19 02:57 opt/
dr-xr-xr-x 112 root root      0 2007-10-29 12:14 proc/
drwxr-xr-x  54 root root   2608 2007-10-13 12:40 root/
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   4768 2007-09-24 15:02 sbin/
drwxr-xr-x   3 root root     72 2007-07-22 15:33 sD/
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root     48 2005-12-19 02:57 srv/
drwxr-xr-x  11 root root      0 2007-10-29 12:14 sys/
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  82422 2007-02-07 12:17 t
-rw-r--r--   1 root root    919 2006-06-02 11:06 test.k3b
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root     72 2006-09-15 18:46 tfs/
drwxrwxrwx  13 root root    600 2007-10-29 15:25 tmp/
drwxr-xr-x  13 root root    312 2006-04-14 23:51 usr/
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root    781 2007-10-28 20:56 v*
drwxr-xr-x  15 root root    360 2005-12-19 03:45 var/
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     25 2006-04-16 01:47 vmlinuz ->=20
boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     24 2005-12-19 02:59 vmlinuz.old ->=20
boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386*


tom



Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:35:36 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Best Kernel?
Message-ID: <20071029203536.GC7313@titan.hooton>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 06:06:34AM -0700, Jeff Grossman wrote:

> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 05:17:52AM -0400, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >>
> >>Are you saying that you can install a 64bit kernel on a current 32bit
> >>system and then end up with a running system.?
> >>
> >>I thought you couldn't replace a 32bit kernel with a 64bit kernel but
> >>had to *install* with an actual 64bit kernel to get any benefit. 
> >>
> >>Or does the replacement 64bit kernel just run in 32bit mode? (although
> >>that is still better than a 32bit kernel, apparently.)
> >>    
> >
> >I believe that you can install a 64bit kernel on you i386 system.
> >Assuming that you have room in /boot and /lib, just add the 64-bit
> >kernel and keep your 486 (or whatever) and try it.  If it doesn't boot,
> >then choose the 486 from the grub menu.
> >
> >You can even run i386 apps in an amd64 system as long as you have the
> >i386 libs installed (available as a regular package in amd64).
> >
> Would I gain anything running a 64bit kernel on an i386 system?


Well amd64 has access to more (and larger) registers and can access more
virtual memory.  AIUI, 32 bit (without some BIOS shenanagans) only sees
2 GB or physical memory and can only map 3 GB of virtual memory.  Even
with BIOS shenanagans, the stock Debian i386 kernels aren't compiled to
take advantage of it.

So the first question is, how much memory does your box have?

You should peruse the amd64 list because this question comes up a lot
there and the answers are more informed than am I.  You see, you have
three main options when you're on amd64 hardware:

i386 install with 32-bit kernel
i386 install with 64-bit kernel
amd64 install with 64-bit kernel
	install 32-bit libs to run most 32-bit apps if need be
	install an i386 chroot if the above option doesn't work.

Bottom line, though, is that I haven't found any downsides.  When I'm
running Iceweasel with flash, I'm stuck in a chroot which is probably a
good thing since flash by definition is runing insecure code on my box
as me.  Unless there's something truely malicious going on it won't be
able to break out of the i386 chroot to affect the amd64 system.

Everything else is 64 bit.

Doug.

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